Rob Bishop Trying to Sell Land Again

grizzly · Jan 3, 2017

Please tell me there aren't still a bunch of hunters in Utah that don't believe Rob "from our grandkids" Bishop is trying to sell all public land.

The fact that hunters and groups like SFW haven't risen up against him is a shame that will be paid with their grandkids loss of public lands.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sell-off-federal-land/?utm_term=.9ed8645626e8

He's a joke and should be recognized as the anti-hunter that he has proven to be.

Grizzly

elkassassin · Jan 3, 2017

He's a joke and should be recognized as the anti-hunter that he has proven to be.

I Agree!

Maybe NeMont can get on here & SPEW His BS!

[font color="blue"]It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!

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smitty · Jan 3, 2017

Ditto.

I didn't vote for the scum bag. He's the republican version of Harry Reid.

Problem is with these fucktards, they just never give up, and to the regular guy with a business to run and family to take care of, we sometimes lose track of every politician that's trying to screw us over.

NO MEANS NO!!!!

good hell. We need a Revolution that cleans out the corruption.

bowhunt · Jan 3, 2017

Agreed!
We need to get him out next go around.
He is lead around by the nose.
Loves his lobbyists!

ID_Elkmagnet · Jan 3, 2017

How do people not see it?

Justin

elkassassin · Jan 3, 2017

>How do people not see it?
>
>
>Justin

I Keep telling People even in TARDville We are getting outnumbered by the Other Type!

[font color="blue"]It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!

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YBO · Jan 3, 2017

Yep, he is another Rino who has been bathing in the swamp. Time to clean it up and put them away forever.

grizzly · Jan 4, 2017

>Yep, he is another
>Rino who has been bathing
>in the swamp. Time to
>clean it up and put
>them away forever.

Are we really sure he's a RINO (Republican In Name Only)? What he espouses is part of the written, declared Republican platform.

His view of selling public land is actually mainstream Republican and those that want to Keep Public Land Public are becoming the exception rather than the rule.

I was a Tea Party delegate that threw out Bob Bennett and was as hard-core right-wing as anybody but I'm feeling like a Democrat nowadays with the current Republican Party. I can't ever support somebody that wants to take the outdoors from my kids.

Grizzly

huntin50 · Jan 4, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-17 AT 09:42AM (MST)[p]
I agree. We should get Bishop out. I didn't vote for him.

I don't know why SFW was singled out. What about RMEF, MDF,NWTF,DU and other groups?

At least Trump and Zinke said they were for protecting public lands for hunting and multiple use.

I'm pretty sure they are Republican.

NVBighorn · Jan 4, 2017

I find referring to Rob Bishop as a RINO offensive and I'm sure many other real RINOs do as well.

Hawkeye · Jan 4, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-17 AT 09:56AM (MST)[p]I am not sure where some of these groups stand on the issue but I know that RMEF has taken a public position against the transfer of public lands and RMEF is a strong supporter of Ryan Zinke:

http://www.rmef.org/NewsandMedia/PressRoom/NewsReleases/RMEFonPublicLandsTransfer.aspx

http://www.kpax.com/story/34057053/...-cut-out-for-him-should-he-join-trump-cabinet

We should hold each of these conservation groups accountable and demand that they take a public position on this important issue.

-Hawkeye-

NeMont · Jan 4, 2017

>
>He's a joke and should be
>recognized as the anti-hunter that
>he has proven to be.
>
>
>
>I Agree!
>
>Maybe NeMont can get on here
>& SPEW His BS!

Elkass,

It isn't spewing BS if it is a fact regarding who Utah voters continue to send to congress. The majority of voters in Utah must support the sell off of public lands given that is the Single issue the unites every one of their Representatives and Senators.

Nemont

grizzly · Jan 4, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-17
>AT 09:42?AM (MST)
>
>
>I agree. We should
>get Bishop out. I
>didn't vote for him.
>
>I don't know why SFW was
>singled out. What about
>RMEF, MDF,NWTF,DU and other groups?
>
>
>At least Trump and Zinke said
>they were for protecting public
>lands for hunting and multiple
>use.
>
>I'm pretty sure they are Republican.
>

Zinke withdrew from the Platform Committee in protest of the public land grab, so that proves my point that he would be an exception rather than rule.

Trump was the only Republican candidate to oppose the public land grab, so that proves my point that he was an exception.

As to why I singled out SFW... They are the big dog in Utah. They get hundreds of public tags every year worth millions of dollars, they and their cohort, Big Game Forever, literally get millions of dollars wired into their accounts every year from taxpayer funds (which a state audit found was handled inappropriately), and they haven't come out in opposition to the land grab. In fact, at least one chapter actually passed a resolution in support of the land grab.

SFW was also the group that pushed the seizure of public waters which will be argued before the Supreme Court on Monday. They're clearly hostile to public lands and appear to be the only "conservation group" to be that way.

Funny you bring up other conservation groups as I did a quick search and found press releases in support of public lands from NWTF, RMEF, MDF, DU, QF, BHA, B&C, DSC, B.A.S.S, WSF, PF, P&Y, TRCP and others.

We've all seen the political acumen of SFW. Where's the activism in protection of public land? Their silence is deafening and it deserves to be noticed.

Grizzly

huntin50 · Jan 4, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-17 AT 11:28AM (MST)[p]Griz,

While you single out SFW, you might as well also agree that RMEF also get millions from conservation permits. They just lost the expo bid.

Don Peay Founder of SFW, was the person in charge of Trumps campaign in Utah, and help him win western states, and the election. Trump then appointed Zenke to be Secretary of Interior, to protect hunting and federal public land access for all hunters.

On one hand you bash SFW and the founder of SFW, that helped get Trump is office, and a pro hunter for Secretary of Interior.

Would you rather have Hillary or Bernie? What about their supreme court picks? Want more wolves, grizzlies,wilderness,ESA stopping pubic access, anti-gun, anti-hunting and trapping agendas?

We both agree, Bishop needs to go.

brymoore · Jan 4, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-17
>AT 11:28?AM (MST)
>
>Griz,
>
>While you single out SFW, you
>might as well also agree
>that RMEF also get millions
>from conservation permits. They
>just lost the expo bid.
>
>
>Don Peay Founder of SFW, was
>the person in charge of
>Trumps campaign in Utah, and
>help him win western states,
>and the election. Trump
>then appointed Zenke to be
>Secretary of Interior, to protect
>hunting and federal public land
>access for all hunters.
>
>On one hand you bash SFW
>and the founder of SFW,
>that helped get Trump is
>office, and a pro hunter
>for Secretary of Interior.
>
>Would you rather have Hillary or
>Bernie? What about their
>supreme court picks? Want
>more wolves, grizzlies,wilderness,ESA stopping pubic
>access, anti-gun, anti-hunting and trapping
>agendas?
>
>We both agree, Bishop needs to
>go.

I think you overestimate Peay's contribution to Trumps victory. His support of Romney didn't help Mitt be president. A monkey could run the R campaign in Utah and still win.

Did Peay even support Zinke? All the press I saw was Trump's sons giving Trump advice. No mention of Peay.

If Hillary was elected president, public lands would be safe. Our concern would be gun ownership restrictions.

grizzly · Jan 4, 2017

You're conflating issues but I'll play along.

Do you really think that Don Peay had even a 1% sway in Trump's winning "western states"? I would dare bet less than 1:500 voters in "western states" could even name the Utah Chair of the Trump campaign as Don Peay. There was never a single bit of chance that anybody but the Republican nominee would win the states of Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming.

Conservation permits (auction tags) are entirely different from Convention permits (expo tags), but a quick count shows the disparity is 31 auction tags for RMEF and 137 auction tags for SFW. That means SFW gets 440% more auction tags than RMEF... they're not even in the same ballpark. (MDF and UFNAWS are in separate allocation pools as well)

We can get back into the Expo permit discussion if you want, but that would just make SFW look bad again for wanting to keep 70% of the money when RMEF offered keep none of it and to return 100% to DWR.

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But none of that has anything to do with the fact that RMEF has been an avid supporter of keeping public land in public hands while SFW has not!

If Don Peay starts sending out email blasts saying to contact your Congressman and tell him to vote in favor of public lands, and holds camo-clad rallies for public lands at the Capitol building, I'll be the first to thank SFW for trying to protect public lands.

Until then, people need to know with which side of the public land hunter that SFW stands. I'll be there to tell them.

Grizzly

huntin50 · Jan 4, 2017

It seems like we get the little RMEF promo every year at expo and banquet time from Griz. Good for you. I hope they have a lot of success. I support a lot of wildlife groups, including RMEF.

The bottom line SFW and MDF has the expo for a few years. SFW banquets will be sold out, because SFW like Trump know how to get things done and has a record of getting things done.

I don't believe I have heard anywhere that SFW is supporting Rob Bishop.
I'm pretty sure that this thread is about Rob Bishop and selling public land. And of course a chance to Griz to poke his finger in the eye of the big bad SFW that does nothing good, but everything bad.