San Juan hunting next fall???

txhunter58

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Does anyone have any reliable info on whether or not there will be hunting in the San Juan (new Bears Ears) area? Lots of scuttlebutt and I can pass along rumors, but was hoping someone might have really heard some real intel. thanks

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Hopefully it won't be different, but there has been talk that they might not allow hunting? Fear mongers?

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
There will be very limited elk hunting on the San Juan unit next year. They will only allow archery and muzzleloader. Don't put in for the San Juan early Rifle tag whatever you do.

Old Bessy and I, being the team player's that we are, will still put in for that early rifle tag though just to take one for the team. But nobody else put in! Just let us be the poor saps that put in for a ruined elk unit. Seriously, anyone with 19 or more points that has been putting for San Juan early, change units before it's too late. You don't want to waste your points. I'll do that for you.
 
Don't Chance any of the SJ Hunts!

Even if You Drew a Tag they could Close it down at the last Minute!

You wouldn't be offered another Area/Unit LE Tag neither!











[font color="blue"]It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!:D[/font]
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-17-17 AT 01:37PM (MST)[p]



"Why would it be any different than the Grand Staircase Natl. Monument(Paunsaugunt) "

https://www.gunproplus.com/ca-hunti...ng-californias-new-castle-mountains-monument/

" Hunting is now banned in the new 30,000-acre Castle Mountains National Monument, according to the National Park Service, which will be managing the new monument. The monument was created early in 2016 by President Barack Obama via proclamation"

I sent this question to the Utah game and fish the day I posted this, so far no response, but not really enough time yet. If they answer me, will post their response

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Here is the DWRs official response:

"Hello, at this point we have been told the hunting will stay the same. We have the hunts listed in our application guidebook.
Let's keep our fingers crossed."


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
You should confirm the news you posted about closures with the wildlife agencies in that respective state like you have tried to do here in Utah.

Let us know what you find out, because the internet is completely silent on the Castle Mountains issue aside from the one news agency that published the article about it and it was re-posted by the website you linked.
 
There are a number of national monuments that don't allow hunting. I have zero reliable info other than to say that if the gov is involved it will be a cluster with a capital F :(

Cheers,
Pete
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-19-17 AT 03:21PM (MST)[p]>Here is the DWRs official response:
>
>
>"Hello, at this point we have
>been told the hunting will
>stay the same. We have
>the hunts listed in our
>application guidebook.
>Let's keep our fingers crossed."
>
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)

"Let's keep our fingers crossed"?

That's it?

Is that all they CAN do or all they WANT TO do? It seems that they should have some say about it.

If that monument is closed to hunting, there will be unintended consequences and domino effects related to hunting (especially deer) that none of us can fathom. That area is primarily the Elk Ridge Limited Entry area and if it goes bye-bye, you can bet that it will have to be replaced for the benefit of trophy hunters and who knows where that discussion will go.
 
"If that monument is closed to hunting, there will be unintended consequences and domino effects related to hunting (especially deer) that none of us can fathom. That area is primarily the Elk Ridge Limited Entry area and if it goes bye-bye, you can bet that it will have to be replaced for the benefit of trophy hunters and who knows where that discussion will go." -elkfromabove

EFA,

You talk about the LE Elk Ridge deer unit and replacing that for trophy hunters, what about the San Juan elk unit, which is not only one of the best elk units in the entire state, but one of the best anywhere in the world? Just looking at the numbers, last year 2,960 residents and 2,427 non-residents applied for one of the 5 hunts available on that unit. 258 of those residents had 19 or more points last year, so anyone that did not draw will have 20+ this year. What impact would displacing those applicants into other hunts have on point creep around the state?

This is a huge issue, one that no doubt the DWR should be very much involved with. As anyone paying attention to what I write has seen, I'm not as worried about being cut off from the unit entirely, but it will be interesting to see what restrictions come about.
 
>"If that monument is closed to
>hunting, there will be unintended
>consequences and domino effects related
>to hunting (especially deer) that
>none of us can fathom.
>That area is primarily the
>Elk Ridge Limited Entry area
>and if it goes bye-bye,
>you can bet that it
>will have to be replaced
>for the benefit of trophy
>hunters and who knows where
>that discussion will go."
>-elkfromabove
>
>EFA,
>
>You talk about the LE Elk
>Ridge deer unit and replacing
>that for trophy hunters, what
>about the San Juan elk
>unit, which is not only
>one of the best elk
>units in the entire state,
>but one of the best
>anywhere in the world? Just
>looking at the numbers, last
>year 2,960 residents and 2,427
>non-residents applied for one of
>the 5 hunts available on
>that unit. 258 of those
>residents had 19 or more
>points last year, so anyone
>that did not draw will
>have 20+ this year. What
>impact would displacing those applicants
>into other hunts have on
>point creep around the state?
>
>
>This is a huge issue, one
>that no doubt the DWR
>should be very much involved
>with. As anyone paying attention
>to what I write has
>seen, I'm not as worried
>about being cut off from
>the unit entirely, but it
>will be interesting to see
>what restrictions come about.

Touche' That's why I said it would produce unintended consequences and domino effects related to hunting (especially deer). But I meant it for ALL hunting, even small game, cougars, bears, coyotes, etc. Also, we gotta remember that Trump ain't gonna be President in 8 years (or sooner) and even if he does rescind this proclamation or allow hunting now, it may not count with the next POTUS.
 
"You should confirm the news you posted about closures with the wildlife agencies in that respective state like you have tried to do here in Utah. "

I sent the Monument an email question to verify. Or you can call them and ask if you want to know sooner: (760) 252-6100

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
So here is the reply to my query:

Thank you for your interest in Castle Mountains National Monument and your question about the status of hunting in Castle Mountains National Monument.

Hunted is prohibited in the monument and was at the time the Presidential Proclamation was signed creating Castle Mountains NM. It was not a local decision to ban hunting, it is a federal regulation.

Castle Mountains National Monument was established under the Antiquities Act of 1906, by Presidential Proclamation. Under this proclamation, land that was managed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) was transferred to National Park Service (NPS) management as the new national monument and to be managed under NPS rules and regulations, specifically the NPS Organic Act and Title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations (36 CFR).

Specific to your question about hunting within National Monuments managed by the National Park Service, 36 CFR 2.2 Wildlife Protection applies. This section prohibits hunting in any NPS National Monument unless mandated by federal law (legislation).

In order to establish hunting in Castle Mountains, legislation would need to be passed which allows hunting within the monument.

I hope this answers your question, if not please respond back so that we may try to better answer you.

Sincerely,

Todd J. Suess
Superintendent
Castle Mountains National Monument.


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
If I am reading that right, hunting was not allowed already at the time it was made a monument.

AND, it sounds like hunting is BANNED in the new Bears Ears Monument, unless there is legislation passed to allow it.

Does that sound right?

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
>If I am reading that right,
>hunting was not allowed already
>at the time it was
>made a monument.
>
>AND, it sounds like hunting is
>BANNED in the new Bears
>Ears Monument, unless there is
>legislation passed to allow it.
>
>
>Does that sound right?


No. That is incorrect. Bears Ears is managed by BLM, not NPS, and wildlife is specifically managed by UDWR. Hunting is also listed as a historically important part of Bears Ears and thus maintaining hunting is listed as crucial under Monument Proclamation.

Please read the following report...

https://headwaterseconomics.org/wphw/wp-content/uploads/NatlMon_Permitted_Uses.pdf

Grizzly
 
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I'M TELLING YOU BESSY THIS IS YOUR YEAR!

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 

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