Big Outdoor expo

Tristate

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Well I have seen Founder post that he has give away tickets for this expo. I wanted to learn more and so I clicked on the link.

From the beginning let me be %100 clear about my attitude towards this show. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I wish them a huge success. But I have a couple of questions.

Given the positions of members here towards other shows I have a few questions.

1. Is there a political or conservation goal for this expo?
2. What do members here think about the state giving them $150,000 to promote the show?
3. What are their reporting requirements to the state since they are being given this money?


Again I hope their show kicks butt and best wishes to all involved.
 
Tri, stop trying to be clever and just ask him. Or here, I will. Tony, what are your accounting rules to the state for how you use the money they gave you? Or better yet TRI, call his radio show and ask him on air, unlike your heros, he will answer.

1. No, as far as I know, and I am not connected, this show is just an outdoors show. Its not "saving the mule deer", or "stopping the wolves". Its just an outdoor show.

2. I'm not wild about the state giving any private org money to start, promote, run their buisness. However, since the $fw expo is funded by, promoted by, staffed by, and given 200 tags, that 1
$150k seems minor. However, on this point we agree.

3. Fair question, address Tony with this one.



So, now lets by fair.

1. What does the expo do other than bring clients to outfitters?

2. Does it trouble you that the state does the advertising for, staffs the show with paid DWR employees, and passes on huge tax breaks for the expo, which they already fund with 200 tags?

3. Where can I find the accounting of where the money goes, SPECIFICALLY? You know, line item accounting?



"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
1. Pays for both public and private conservation projects while bringing millions of dollars of revenue to your state.
2. Doesn't trouble me in the least bit.
3. Right next to all the other things you have convinced yourself that you deserve.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-17 AT 09:14AM (MST)[p]Nick

Great Questions and thanks for asking for Tri.

This will be the 3rd year of The Big Outdoors show in Utah COunty.

The first year 10,200 people attended.
The 2nd Year 12,600 people attended.
This 3rd year I anticipate 15,000 + attending.

Year 1 the show received $100,000 for PROMOTION and ADVERTISING to get people from all around the states as well as out of the state to exhibit and attend the Expo., Had people from New Zealand and Africa exhibit as well.

Attendess from EVERY county in Utah Attended as did almost 10% of the attendees come from out of state.

The Utah Tourism estimated nearly $1,000,000 in economic influx for this first ever show.

The 2nd year the show received $150,000 for PROMOTION and ADVERTISING.

The Utah State Tourism estimated nearly 1.2 million in economic influx for the show.

This 3rd year the show received $150,000 FOR PROMOTION AND ADVERTISING OF THE SHOW.
IT IS ESTIMATED THAT IN EXCESS OF 15,000 WILL ATTEND and that the economic impact will be in excess of 1.4 million.

An estimate of where the money is spent is required to be given to the Governors office prior to any money is awarded. Then when the "business plan" for the money is presented 75% of the actually money is awarded to the expo. So year 1 the show received $75,000 of the $100,000 before the show. The remaining 25% was not awarded until after the show was done and the 25% was spent. So it was reimbursed.

Once the show is complete I then give a final expenditure of not just the money from the state but also ALL the money that was spent on the expo. The rest of the money spent above the state money is VOLUNTARILY included in my report. Once that has been turned into the Governors office and the tourism department than the show is awarded the remaining 25%. Keep in mind this is after the show is complete and ALL the ads and promotion things were paid for upfront. In other words I must account for not just the 75% that was already awarded, I must account for the remaining 25% that was never received. So I spend it and pay for it before I get it.

In other words I pay for all of it and then it is reimbursed after it is shown It was spent on pre approved ads and promotions etc.

This is called Transparency.

Now the money granted has come from EXCESS tax revenue the state has seen the last 3 years. In other words it is not coming out of someone elses budget, it is from growth so the state is reinvesting it into more growth to promote Utahs MANY outdoor activities.

Utahs tax revenue has been growing at over the 4% projected amount so they took this money the expo was awarded out of the net growth above the 4% and reinvested it in to more growth. SO NO programs were cut in the state. This was EXCESS reinvested.

Pretty smart business plan for Utah.

Places Like the ski industry gets millions of dollars in money every year to promote skiing and drive tourism. Different parades and festivals get lots of money as well. Even small town events get these tourism dollars to grow economically. Sundance Film festival also receives tax dollars.

This is what great and well run states do. They invest in their local and state economy's and then the economy continues to grow.

I do not save Mule deer in the fashion other shows claim. I dont transplant Turkeys or rehab winter range like the others claim. That is their sales pitch and cause. I just make people aware of the many outdoor opportunities Utah offers and get people excited and outdoors.

The Big Outdoors expo simply brings people together to see all that Utah has to offer and gets them to spend their money in Utah on its many outdoor activities.

ECONOMIC growth is the intention and according to the STATE TOURISM that is EXACTLY what is happening.

I dont take money out of this event. It all has gone back into building the expo and driving people to Utah COunty and in return is getting them to spend money on outdoor activities. It is getting kids off the computers and away from the X boxes. It is getting kids excited about the diversity of Utahs outdoors.

1 day I hope to be able to make money on this show. But I assume that will be after the State tourism grant is no longer awarded and used and the show continues to grow.

Utah has great Hunting and Fishing, but it also has many many other things to do outside.

That is the main purpose of the show. To show people ALL Utah has to offer and get them outside to enjoy it.

Nick thanks for coming to the source to get these questions answered for Tri.

As always my personal cell number is below and I will take anyones call that cares enough to have questions or comments or concerns or complaints.

FYI, several NON profits groups come to the expo and promote what they are doing. Chairbound sportsmen, NWTF, NRA, Sheds for Santa, Vetrans for Foreign wars and many many more. ANd in all cases I charge them little to nothing for their space. Also many tourism departments from around the state attend.

I appreciate this Post Tri, as it gives more FREE publicity for a great event and a great cause.

Anything else I can answer for you.


Tony Abbott
www.thebigoutdoors.com
801-885-1274
 
Unless I am mistaken, SFW/MDF receive similar tourism dollars for their expo. I am sure you want to ask about their accounting and conservation efforts as well?
 
Yes, In addition to the 200 tags from the wildlife board they have received I believe $70,000 - $100,000 of the similar money as the Big Outdoors Expo over the years. They will have the same accounting requirements on this money that I outlined. Not sure f they received it for this year or not but they have in the past.

Tony Abbott
www.thebigoutdoors.com
801-885-1274
 
Tony,

I am glad you expo is doing well and growing. I wish you the best and would attend if I still lived in Utah. My post was to point out that Tri is not really asking qiluestions about tourism dollars, accountability, or conservation. If he were...I would guess he would also have to ask SFW/MDF the same questions. You simply made him look silly in the other thread and he is now muck racking.
 
I agree, I think the show you're doing is real cool. Makes me want to make something like that happen up here in Farmington or Ogden. The ALL outdoors thing is cool. I'm into mountain biking, backpacking, rock climbing, kayaking and trail running in addition to hunting, so it's fun. Of course the Western Hunting show is super awesome as a hunting only type expo.

I wonder how well the typical type of rock climbing, mountain biking, etc. type crowd likes the hunting stuff though? You know, they're a little different crowd than hunter's. You know?

Good for you Tony on a great expo and I hope it keeps going strong and thanks for advertising on the site. If the expo does nothing else for Tristate, at least it helps fund him a place to argue with and debate and fire up hunter's. Ha ha

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
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That was my point Utah400. On another thread your buddy Tony felt it necessary to sling trash on another show for getting what he decided was a handout. I just decided to put that same light on him. It doesn't bother me that he has an outdoor show and truthfully I am %100 behind any legal outdoor business endeavor. It did bother me he was so willing to engage in hypocrisy so readily.
 
So you admit this thread is an attempt to call out Tony and not legitimate?

You are so full of ##### you it's almost funny. Alnost!
 
Huh?


It wasn't an attempt. He spent two days lying his butt off on the other thread hoping no one would notice his slip up.

Utah400, your pal Tony was giving away a free trip to his show. All expense paid. I know i am not taking it. Why won't he make the same offer to a good fella like you?
 
Tri said he was only worried about the transparency of our souls. Or was he being disingenuous?

Grizzly
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-17 AT 05:35PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-17 AT 05:34?PM (MST)

Now grizzly you may want to go back and read because that isn't what I said. I know it's tough for you though so I realize you have good intentions and bad info.

Were you one of the ones pushing the expense paid trip? Why don't you help out Utah 400 and pitch in to get him to the show?
 
Tristate - February 11th 10:04am

--You talk about "transparency" when what I am talking about is TRANSPARENCY OF YOUR SOUL.--

BLAAM!

Grizzly
 
Neither the words "only" or "our" appear in that quote and those words are important. You chose those words I didn't. I just think you get confused sometimes. I am certain you don't have any intent to lie.
 
Tri

You started This Thread Trying To discredit what I do and tried to compare it to the Hunt Expo. You are Trying to make me look like the hunt expo when in reality there is very few similarities.
I gave you all the answers and it still is not good enough for you because you look like a fool

Yes The Big Outdoors Expo receives money from the state to promote tourism. It is an investment in economic growth. It is all accounted for and transparent. You have no ground to stand on.

I dont have an expo and a radio show and a thriving guide business because I am a liar and a hypocrite. I have them because My word is gold and I dont lie.

You are the most stirring the pot for no good reason person I know.

Just go do your thing whatever that is. I am the furtherest thing from a hypocrite or a liar or anything else like that. My record and results speak for themselves. It really does not matter what you think or say. YOu are uneducated on UTah and the expo and my expo and the tags and the state money and everything else.

You just like to babble. But I am glad because you started this post and now I am getting that much more advertising for free and now EVERYONE including you sees that I am not only 100% transparent but I also know EXACTLY how the system works.

Just let it die Tri. We have more important things to do than argue with a guy that has really no real knowledge of any of the things he makes statements about.

Thanks Nick and FOunder and the rest of you for your support. We all are in this together to get more kids out into the woods.

See you all (except) TRi at my transparent show that gets a handout from the state to build tourism and economic growth.

Expert Witness checking out.



Tony Abbott
www.thebigoutdoors.com
801-885-1274
 
"I dont have an expo and a radio show and a thriving guide business because I am a liar and a hypocrite. I have them because My word is gold and I dont lie."

I don't know why you have that stuff but you do lie and you did behave like a hypocrite on the other thread. I can quote you on it. You lied no less than three times about what I said on the other thread. When I asked you to back up your accusations you just told different lies.

You attacked another group on another thread. You didn't like it so much when someone did the same to you. It didn't matter how much truth was in the soup just like it didn't matter when you did it to the other guys. When you were on your heels you did what average men do and I wasn't surprised.

"My record and results speak for themselves."

If that were the truth you wouldn't bring up your record in every single post. In fact you probably never would have posted. Did you hear me tell you of my achievements or accomplishments? Nope. Not even after you made assumptions about them. My self esteem is just fine. I don't need to keep reminding people. This is another free business lesson that somehow passed over you.

Now why don't you do something constructive and pass that VIP treatment offer and expense paid trip onto Utah400. He has actually said he wants to come see your show. Lets see you actually do some good with that money and hook up a fan. I am sure those people who spent booths will be grateful you did so.
 
I have a booth, and guess what TRI, I dont care what he does with the money since he didnt come to me claiming all this is done for wildlife conservation. Its a fun place to be and you can stop acting like a 2 year old.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-17 AT 08:05AM (MST)[p]Tony-

"Never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it."

All of us that have wrestled with Tristate in the past have experienced the same result. Unless you are posting to educate the rest of the folks on this forum, it is pointless. Don't waste your time with the troll.

-Hawkeye-
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-17 AT 08:07AM (MST)[p]Robiland,

You don't want to help out a fellow MM'er get to the show you are occupying????????

I'm sorry Utah400 apparently Robiland doesn't want you at the show. But that still isn't going to stop me from trying to help get you there.

Now come on fellas. Utah400 wants to go to the show. Yall wanted to pay all expenses for me to go and I can't so why not help him out. Do something good this week for a good fella. Pay for Utah400 to visit the show. If Robiland doesn't want to see him that's fine we can ask Utah400 not to visit his booth.

Did anyone notice that when Tony's butt gets caught in the door the hate SFW gang all showed up to talk trash about Tristate???? Bromance won't save him fellas.
 
TRi

Do you have anymore questions or concerns I can clear up for you about my expo or the hunt expo? If not I have a show I'm gonna finish up prepping for.

Tony Abbott
www.thebigoutdoors.com
801-885-1274
 
Yeah I have a question. Are you going to make the same offer of all expense paid trip to your expo to Utah400? Help the guy out.

You were willing to blow the money to look internet tough now let's see you spend the money for a good cause. You too Hawkeye.
 
Why do you guys respond to this guy. If you look up Tristate you will find it is a mental hospital in Texas. Part of the therapy is to give patients computers and access to the internet. you are arguing with a crazy person!!!
 
No Im not Tri, Utah 400 is not lying and stirring the pot and causing problems. He is not uninformed of deceiving. So Im not gonna offer it to him. He is a successful and rational person who is educated on Utah and once lived here.

SO I'm not gonna offer to pay for his own trip and he would not expect it either. He has class and common sense. But he would get a VIP pass if he makes his was back to Utah.

He is not part of the problem like you are. He is actually SANE.

SO any other questions you have for me, or can we end this conversation?

Tony Abbott
www.thebigoutdoors.com
801-885-1274
 
I really don't need a free trip to Utah. I actually have a lot of friends there and can afford the trip if I choose. However, I still have a few months of deer hunting left so...I will be in the woods hunting deer for the foreseeable weekends.

Now how about it Tri, you going to pass the same scrutiny to SFW/MDF for their tourism dollars?
 
What I learned reading through this post:

-The Big Outdoors Show seems like a great show and I'd like to attend this year.


-Tristate is one of the biggest tools there are and made himself look like the real petty ass he is.
 
Hell no Utah400. I said it before. I don't care about their accountability or transparency and I don't care about Fishon's. This was a "when in Rome" post. Fishon wanted to badmouth other people and be a hypocrite so he got a taste of it himself.

I didn't say you couldn't make it to Utah without Fishon's help. I just figured he would want to help a good guy out just as much as he wants to be the internet tough guy ready to blow money in hopes no one will notice his foot in his mouth.

I have friends there. I have enough money to go there. They were ready to pay for me to go. But now you want them to actually do some good with the money and they clam up. Kind of cheap if you ask me. You said the reason you couldn't go was your juxtaposition, not deer hunting, and I thought a nice guy with tons of money to throw away like Fishon could hook up another good guy. I guess not. Either he never had the money and it was all internet make believe or he isn't the nice guy we thought he was.
 
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Pigboy you're a lying sack of crap, you don't have any friends in Utah. The people who you think are your friends only put up with your cowardly a$$ because you write them checks. Not to mention they probably aren't real happy with you right now because you let everyone know their guides are incompetent in that they can't even tell the difference between open and closed units.

Pigboy when you say "foot in the mouth" do you mean like when you stuck your foot in your mouth with your WLH is a poacher thread? Blam!!!!

and 73 to the rescue in
3 2 1......
 
Tri,

No need to twist facts and/or lie. I never said I "could't go". What I did say was that I would go if I still lived in Utah. I then further explained that I still have a deer hunt goin on so my weekends for the foreseeable future were booked. A great example of you twisting facts and/or lying.
 
Tony, never met ya, you seem like a stand up guy. Always good to see somebody stand up for what they're doin and field questions, even when they're prickly. Preciate it.
 
Tony,

Here let me.

Tri, do you have any more questions for Tony or can he go finish prepping for his show?

Thanks Tony, we may not always agree 100% on everything, meaning your never 100% correct, but in all the years you've been on here, or on the radio, I have yet to see you duck a question. If nothing else, Tri attempt here educated us as to how the initial financing goes. Personally, you should have gotten into Wolf management, I see BGF is gonna grab another $2million to send out some emergency action required emails. That ain't bad money, a $500 computer, a gmail account, and you keep the change. This putting together a show, thats actual work, actually doing something.

Good luck on the show. I used to love Doug Millers show, your is a lot more in line with it, a lot more in line with the vast majority of us.





"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>What I learned reading through this
>post:
>
>-The Big Outdoors Show seems like
>a great show and I'd
>like to attend this year.
>
>
>
>-Tristate is one of the biggest
>tools there are and made
>himself look like the real
>petty ass he is.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

I will make it a point to attend.
 

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