Pack Goats

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My daughter has been pestering me to get pack goats. She needs the animal experience as she wants to go to vet school (currently freshman in High school). I think it would be great for hunting in the back country. It's always nice to hear from people who have already been there and done that.

So let's hear any comments or tips on pack goats. Where to get them and what it takes to make and keep good packers. I've already been told Alpines are probably the way to go. Is that true?
 
We had pack goats years ago and they worked well. The big one (250 lbs.) could pack about 70 lbs. I believe it was. They worked well.

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I checked out your thread and it looks like I commented on it earlier as well ;-) I think I would like to find a few goats ready to go so I don't have to wait three years to use them. Thanks for the info mmwb. What kind of goats are those that you have?
 
i just listened to a podcast done by cody rich (the rich outdoors) and he had a few people on, that specialized in different type of animal stock. horses, llamas, and goats. what i took away from it is the llama is the way to go. goats are great and can pack good weight with minimal problems, but they are noisy and cant be left alone. its a great listen and super informative if your not experienced with stock animals.


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I will have to listen to that podcast. I had considered llamas but had read some negatives about them and I would have to rent pasture for them and that's why I have been leaning towards goats.

My kids used to have the book "Is your mama a llama" that kind of turned me off as well ;-)
 
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I've used llamas too. They can carry more weight, but like the goats, you need to be sure that what you're buying will pack well. Not all are good. Some are a real pain!! Take them a couple times before buying or you may end up having just pets.
My dad owned the goats when I was younger. I think he got rid of them just because he didn't use them much. If I would've had a place to keep them, I'd have hung onto them.

Just know that both goats and llamas are slow walkers. Goats will just follow as best they can. Llamas you need to lead.

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Never used goats. I have given some thought to llamas.


Curious, are there any restrictions on where you can use goats? I'm thinking of potential disease issues with wild goats or highlands.
 
My goats are Alpine and Alpine crosses. Look to the specifics of the animal and worry less about the breed. Mine are quiet, some are loud. Nubians tend to be noisy and have a reputation of being lazy. I won't keep one that is loud. You can leave them alone, if they are together. If you take one or two from the herd, the herd will make a little noise until you are out of sight and then quieten down. They are social animals, so they will throw a fit if left completely alone. You can take one to carry your day pack and it will be fine as they consider you a part of the herd.

Seriously, for packing out an elk, nothing beats a horse. Horses are more expensive, but can carry more weight. They also can save a hunter's feet. Leave one of them alone and talk about noise.

Goats are probably lower maintenance than the others and less expensive to purchase and keep. Transport of goats, and I assume llamas, doesn't require a large trailer, and with racks, you can haul them in your truck. Some have hauled them in SUVs and cars.

Ideally, I'd have a horse and the goats. That would be more versatile and save my old feet and back a lot of wear and tear.
 
All three are herd animals, all three can have bad habits if allowed to. I've seen mmwb's pics and threads on his pack goats and they definitely seem intriguing, but like tog said give me a horse and mule everyday of the week and twice on Sunday,I'd rather ride!
 
Having horses is too much of a lifestyle change that I'm not willing to commit to. Otherwise they would definitely be the way to go. I had back surgery 3 years ago and I really feel it when I'm carrying a heavy pack. Hiking in light will keep me fresh enough to still hunt hard.

I've been told it's nearly impossible to stump-break a llama, so that's a deal-breaker if I ever want Bess to come hunt with me ;-)
 
Pulled in to a Guys Place & Before I Knew it I had a STANKIN F'N Goat on the Hood!

I Jumped out Screamin I'll Kill You,You STANKIN SOB!

Owner Didn't Like it!

But He Quickly got that Damn Thing Chained up!

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well if they won't pack and I can't grill 'em, I'll just drop them off at Indian Peaks sometime ;-) I did shoot a big white pig up there about 18 years ago while bow-hunting elk.
 
I have been through this process for the last 5-6 years now. Bought 4 goats and bottled fed them until weaned off milk, fed them for 1 1/2 years. I had them on short hikes from the house. One day they found that they could jump the fence and wander around free. This went on for a month before I had had enough and sold them. They reminded me of a lab dog who just wanted to be with you and would follow you anywhere I went.

My brother and I rented llamas this year for our Wy. deer hunt and had an awesome time with the llamas. They packed plenty of weight, didn't need water every day, and could be left staked out at camp all day without any issues. I do realize that we were dealing with "professional " packers with a ton of training but I am hooked and will have three llamas trained before September.

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Just my 2 cents
 
I basically had the Great Wall of China built for those little #%???>. They really were a good time but everybody has a breaking point.
 
All pack animals have their pro and cons, and various other "issues". For that matter, so do most hunting partners!

For many years I used llamas, hence the name. I have also packed with horses, and been with others who used goats. I actually prefer to walk, and was injured one too many times by horses. Horses / mules are still absolutely the best way to move tonnage in the wilderness. I was willing to accept a reduced weight capacity, in trade off for easier to use llamas, that will very rarely hurt a person. Llamas are also very easy to train, and quite smart (sometimes smarter than their owners), but do tend to walk at a modest (i.e., slow) pace. Goats are at the lower end of the useful load bearing capacity, in my opinion, but enough of them can get the job done. I've seen a few that absolutely hated to be left out overnight in the rain, and did everything possible to join me in my tent. NOT my idea of a restful night. Others plan accordingly and bring a separate shelter for the goats.

In truth, I rarely use pack animals anymore. While limiting in some regard, I really like the freedom of not being dependent on an animal as part of my hunting team. Admittedly I am a bit unusual, however, as I generally prefer to hunt alone. Something about the solitude of being back in the wilderness with only my backpack makes me happy.

And that is really the goal. Use whatever means makes you happy - whether it is horses, goats, llamas, or your own two feet. Just go into the purchase of any pack animal with your eyes open, and acknowledge the challenges and limitations. Once understood, you will have a much better chance of a positive relationship. There are as few perfect pack animals as there are perfect hunting partners.

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You Can Tell deadi has never had a F'N Goat on the Place!

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Goats, Llamas, I think not. I was the proud owner of 3 well trained pack and saddle mules. You could not ask for a better animal to have on the hunt. They can pack up to 300 pounds of gear and are the most sure footed critter on the planet besides a Mt Goat. My Mules were as gentle a kitten. You could crawl all over them and ride them without a bridle. They never panic like horses are prone to. Not saying there is no bad mules, I know there are. However if you get mules and train them or have them trained by a professional, you will never ever think of Goats again. I hunted in the High Country of Colorado with them and they would stay in the meadow by camp and never wander off. The dominant mule would keep the other mules in check. As long as they had access to water and grass they were content. Another bonus is that you never have to worry about there hooves. I killed a few bears and lead the mules right up to the bears while they were hanging in a tree and loaded them right on the back of the mules. The mules were so worried about the bear that they were eating grass while we loaded and secured the bear to the pack saddle. As far as the cost of ownership that depends on you access to pasture. My mules were kept in a pasture all year and fed hay during the winter. Feeding three mules through the winter cost me very little. That being said, I did have free hay from my pasture that we put up in the summer. Vet bills were few and far between due to the fact that the mules are smarter than horses and don't tend to get injured very often. The two Jacks were 15 hands high and the Jenny was 14 hands high. So if you are considering a pack animal don't for get the mule. Best there is in the mountains.
 
I've hunted with mules enough to know they aren't for me. I busted my arm scouting elk on horseback, I'm not going that route either. It's either goats or llamas for the next little while.

My triplet boys will turn 12 this year maybe I'll just get bigger backpacks for them ;-)
 
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My current situation precludes me from caring about your opinion but go ahead and give voice to it anyway...

There is no such animal as a "bad pack animal" as long as it is carrying my stuff without balking.

All have pros and cons, just go into it with your eyes open. With the possible exception of DIY's mules above there has never been a "perfect pack animal" either, people do tend to be just a bit prejudiced in favor of their buddies.

Rent whatever you intend to buy first, for your own education and really look at the facilities they have and make sure they work, and that you are willing and able to mimic them.

Good luck with fencing/containing goats, and yes your truck will have little hoof prints all over it's roof! My buddy had some would chase his cats 20 feet up a tree and jump around on the bigger branches before scrambling back down to trample on his van roof... funny as hell as long as it was his car.

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I have posted about my goats before. I had 6 of them at one time. My core group of goats were strong athletic and capable of heavy loads.
I had two small Lamanchas and two Saanens that packed out several elk. One elk was packed out in the dark through a creek bottom and we crossed several beaver dams.
I had two that were almost worthless. I got them as adults and they were kind of lazy.
Each Goat would pack a quarter of an elk. I have seen 200 pound goats pack 60 pounds going down hill. My Saanens would pack 75 pounds down hill. I never packed them over 40 pounds up hill.
I had mine for 10 years. They were in my opinion the perfect pack animal. They were not dangerous like a horse. They knew where they were even in the dark. They would walk right up to any dead animal. They were not gun shy. They didn't require feed to be packed in. Mine would cross water when they had to and never blinked an eye.
I helped to write a book on goat packing. I is called Practical goat packing. My goat Rex is the front cover.

https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Go...419336&sr=8-1&keywords=Practical+goat+packing


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Thanks Idahoron. I'm assuming you are the same Idahoron that paper patches muzzy bullets on modern muzzleloading. I also cast for my muzzies. Haven't paper-patched yet but thinking of trying it out.

Did you ever have issues with your goats escaping fences or dancing on your truck?
 
The pasture I had them in had 5 strands of Barbed wire. I put a electric fence on the inside of the fence a couple feet off the ground. I never had them get out not once.
I never had them jump on my truck but I did carry them in the truck. To be honest the goats that I raised my self were outstanding animals and worked hard. They crossed water without being led and were not noisy. I would use them again in a heart beat.
I never liked the idea of having to lead them like horses or lamas.
I shot one elk over one's back, and I shot another elk as the goat was scrubbing his horns on a tree. The elk came to look and I shot it. When I look back on my original 4 goats that I raised I don't remember one time that they let me down. NEVER!
I even used them to hunt ducks. I used to take a single goat and put my waders on him and my decoys. My dog followed along and when we got to the spot to hunt down inside of the canyon I just took the saddle off and turned him loose. After I was done hunting I put the saddle on and loaded the decoys, waders and ducks on the goat and headed out.
 

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