The Don

wileywapati · Mar 15, 2017

Repent free thinkers.

http://kutv.com/news/local/trump-supporter-mormons-who-didnt-back-trump-were-wrong

"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16

Elkduds · Mar 15, 2017

"Peay, the founder of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, said Trump struggled to gain support in Utah because of his "colorful language and past." He says Mormons sometimes forget about "repentance and forgiveness." Peay is Mormon."

Speechless

pufftuffly · Mar 15, 2017

I'm sure Donny boy is also a Chaffetz and Bishop supporter too. You know, the assclowns who want to sell off our public lands.

elkassassin · Mar 15, 2017

PEAYDAY is Right!

People Like dude & NeMont should Repent!

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elkfromabove · Mar 15, 2017

My, oh my! That oughtta sweeten the pot for both SFW and the LDS Church! We'll have to watch out for the hordes joining both.

Charina · Mar 15, 2017

That he even thought to call anyone to repentance for difference of opinion is very telling of lack of character. Sad.

NeMont · Mar 15, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-15-17 AT 03:38PM (MST)[p]>PEAYDAY is Right!
>
>People Like dude & NeMont should
>Repent!
>
>
>

Like I said you will have to baptize my dead relatives to ever have a chance to get me to do any form of repenting. Since I don't really believe any of that stuff, good luck.

Has it ever occurred to you to that Utah has a major problem with fakers like DP who wrap themselves in a "conservative" wrapper but take with both hands from the Utah Treasury? I doubt it, I guess maybe he is right, you should repent for the absolutely terrible Senators and Representatives from Utah who want to sell out ever hunter and outdoorsman. In addition you should get on your knees and beg for forgiveness for such shittty elected officials.

Nemont

elkassassin · Mar 15, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Mar-15-17
>AT 03:38?PM (MST)
>
>>PEAYDAY is Right!
>>
>>People Like dude & NeMont should
>>Repent!
>>
>>
>>
>
>Like I said you will have
>to baptize my dead relatives
>to ever have a chance
>to get me to do
>any form of repenting.
>Since I don't really believe
>any of that stuff, good
>luck.
>
>Has it ever occurred to you
>to that Utah has a
>major problem with fakers like
>DP who wrap themselves in
>a "conservative" wrapper but take
>with both hands from the
>Utah Treasury? I
>doubt it, I guess maybe
>he is right, you should
>repent for the absolutely terrible
>Senators and Representatives from Utah
>who want to sell out
>ever hunter and outdoorsman.
>In addition you should get
>on your knees and beg
>for forgiveness for such shittty
>elected officials.
>
>
>Nemont

Think I'll Move to Montana where everything is F'N Perfect!

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NeMont · Mar 15, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-15-17 AT 04:51PM (MST)[p]No stay in Utah, you deserve your Representatives. You and DP can go to the temple together and get all that federal land sold off so your grand children can't access it. So please stay where you are, we don't need any more people up here, especially your kind.

Nemont

grizzly · Mar 15, 2017

Holy cow, SFW is hanging themselves with their own rope.

Their offshoot, BGF, worked themselves a couple more million dollars from taxpayer coffers this year, but the cost is that people are getting sick of the reliance on welfare money (including Republican Representatives who publicly questioned it for the first time ever), the SFW support of the Stream Grab is unforgivable (at least until they repent and seek forgiveness), these types of comments from SFW leadership show narrow-mindedness and a lack of focus on sportsman's issues, the lack of financial transparency involving taxpayer funds has raised much ire, and the tacit support of the land grab is plaguing them daily.

People are figuring it out. Piece by piece. And the wounds are self-inflicted.

Grizzly

wileywapati · Mar 15, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-15-17 AT 05:26PM (MST)[p]Grizz, unfortunately it won't matter. The defenders will be along shortly. I asked a while back what it would take for the defenders to finally say enough is enough with this guy and his dealings. Near as I can remember there was no limit as long as their agenda was being pushed.

More.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.hera...cf3ce157-9fb7-5bc5-9055-cc1c711b5b9e.amp.html

"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16

rockymtnhunter · Mar 15, 2017

OK, I usually don't comment on this type this topic, but DP crossed the line (actually he crossed it a long time ago). IMO there is no way Trump aligns with LDS (or any faith's) values, not in any way, form or shape. Yes, he has the best family (and friends) that money can buy, his despicable behavior, morals and values should be a warning to every responsible citizen and voter that he should have never been elected. IMO DP stands on the lowest moral and ethical ground when he said what he said, and it violates the most basic tenets of my faith (BTW I'm LDS) by denying and deriding freedom of thought and action. He stepped on my faith, and that makes me determined to make sure his agenda fails. I don't mind politicians shaking up the establishment and bureaucracy, but Trump and DP are wrong in so many ways, esp. their bullying. It saddens me that in a nation of 350 million people that Trump (or Hillary) was the best we could do. Very sad.

Founder · Mar 15, 2017

"Mormons who didn't back Trump were wrong" ... That's funny stuff. It's got to get a few mormons fired up, whether you love or hate SFW or Don.

I still can't believe Trump is president. Crazy!!!! At least the stock market is going up, other than that, I haven't had time to watch TV to see what else is happening in our world.

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deadibob · Mar 15, 2017

For me the worst thing about being a Mormon is going to church with all these candy-ass cry babies. Seriously I look around and think WTF? There's a few cool ones but the self-righteousness is too much to handle some times.

The best thing about Trump is how he makes everyone into little crying bitches. I've been reading Trump books for at least 15 years and I won't apologize for liking the guy. As far as Don Peay goes, f' him. He is just looking for table scraps and it is pathetic to see how far that dog can roll over.

elkassassin · Mar 15, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Mar-15-17
>AT 04:51?PM (MST)
>
>No stay in Utah, you deserve
>your Representatives. You and
>DP can go to the
>temple together and get all
>that federal land sold off
>so your grand children can't
>access it. So
>please stay where you are,
>we don't need any more
>people up here, especially your
>kind.
>
>Nemont

Hey NeMont!

I Have to Tell you just about once a day!

DON'T BE A F'N PRICK!

You're So Miserable since the Election You can't even Stand Yourself!

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tx_packmule · Mar 15, 2017

Lol....that's opening a big ol' can-o-worms.

WapitiBob · Mar 15, 2017

Looks like he's about two steak dinners from a heart attack.

desertpointbrian · Mar 15, 2017

>Looks like he's about two steak
>dinners from a heart attack.
>

Yeah he does chew your food before you slurp it down donny boy

Hawkeye · Mar 16, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-16-17 AT 07:09AM (MST)[p]I don't take any of this too seriously and frankly it just makes me laugh. DP has much grander aspirations than simply milking the DWR and the Utah State Legislature for a couple of million dollars a year. He tried to jump on the Romney train a couple of years ago but unfortunately that train never left the station. Now, he has boarded the Trump train and is hoping to catch a ride to greener pastures. In the coming years, I expect to see DP and his affiliated organizations looking sink their teeth into much bigger and deeper troughs, including federal contracts, national conservation events such as the "Opening Day" debacle, etc. DP is the king of our local swamp, which I believe still needs to be drained.

-Hawkeye-

pufftuffly · Mar 16, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Mar-15-17
>AT 03:38?PM (MST)
>
>>PEAYDAY is Right!
>>
>>People Like dude & NeMont should
>>Repent!
>>
>>
>>
>
>Like I said you will have
>to baptize my dead relatives
>to ever have a chance
>to get me to do
>any form of repenting.
>Since I don't really believe
>any of that stuff, good
>luck.
>
>Has it ever occurred to you
>to that Utah has a
>major problem with fakers like
>DP who wrap themselves in
>a "conservative" wrapper but take
>with both hands from the
>Utah Treasury? I
>doubt it, I guess maybe
>he is right, you should
>repent for the absolutely terrible
>Senators and Representatives from Utah
>who want to sell out
>ever hunter and outdoorsman.
>In addition you should get
>on your knees and beg
>for forgiveness for such shittty
>elected officials.
>
>
>Nemont

LMAO!!!!

I like you Nemont.
and as usual, you're spot on.

tx_packmule · Mar 16, 2017

I mean, someone had to convince Jr to come speak at the expo.

NeMont · Mar 16, 2017

>
>Hey NeMont!
>
>I Have to Tell you just
>about once a day!
>
>DON'T BE A F'N PRICK!
>
>You're So Miserable since the Election
>You can't even Stand Yourself!
>

Elkass,

If only you would ever take your own advice this site would be a whole lot of fun. Everyday you post some idiotic drivel that adds zero to the discussion.

Just telling you to own up to what your states politics are doesn't make me a prick or mean I am miserable. It simply means you are part of the problem in your choice of who you send to DC to screw the rest of us over. I know facts bother you but if you want to see why there are guys like DP, look in the mirror. The guy looking back at you is both an enabler and an accessory to DP's agenda.

Nemont

desertpointbrian · Mar 16, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Mar-16-17
>AT 07:09?AM (MST)
>
>I don't take any of this
>too seriously and frankly it
>just makes me laugh.
>DP has much grander aspirations
>than simply milking the DWR
>and the Utah State Legislature
>for a couple of million
>dollars a year. He
>tried to jump on the
>Romney train a couple of
>years ago but unfortunately that
>train never left the station.
> Now, he has boarded
>the Trump train and is
>hoping to catch a ride
>to greener pastures. In
>the coming years, I expect
>to see DP and his
>affiliated organizations looking sink their
>teeth into much bigger and
>deeper troughs, including federal contracts,
>national conservation events such as
>the "Opening Day" debacle, etc.
>DP is the king of
>our local swamp, which I
>believe still needs to be
>drained.
>
>-Hawkeye-

Maybe he can hopefully make his way to Texas and forget about Utah

elkfromabove · Mar 16, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Mar-16-17
>AT 07:09?AM (MST)
>
>I don't take any of this
>too seriously and frankly it
>just makes me laugh.
>DP has much grander aspirations
>than simply milking the DWR
>and the Utah State Legislature
>for a couple of million
>dollars a year. He
>tried to jump on the
>Romney train a couple of
>years ago but unfortunately that
>train never left the station.
> Now, he has boarded
>the Trump train and is
>hoping to catch a ride
>to greener pastures. In
>the coming years, I expect
>to see DP and his
>affiliated organizations looking sink their
>teeth into much bigger and
>deeper troughs, including federal contracts,
>national conservation events such as
>the "Opening Day" debacle, etc.
>DP is the king of
>our local swamp, which I
>believe still needs to be
>drained.
>
>-Hawkeye-

Waalah! Some more pieces to the puzzle! And I like the puzzle even less than I did when I didn't have these pieces. Apparently, it's nothing but a big portrait of DP which I figured all along, and now he thinks he's my Priesthood Leader or my Bishop!

hossblur · Mar 16, 2017

REALLY.....You guys post this crap, then I have to come mouth off. Your worse than the pics saying "youd never believe the pics of....." and I of course have to check it out, then I get virus and malware because of it.

YOU DAMMMM MORMONS!! Its not enough you make it so the mouthwash I use gets me a DUI(yes my mouthwash might or might not be a Canadian blend), but now, you silly basterds didn't support trump? I wonder, do you thing DP is returning the memebership dues of the LDS boys who didn't support Trump? The funny thing is, this guy can continually point out what POS he is, and the same guys will come running in defending him. This dude uses his front row Sunday pew seat to enrich himself. IF he wasnt "brother" Peay, people would laugh at the clown, "saving the mule deer", "stopping wolves", etc, etc. It too bad, because I think my neighbors who step to his defense are the BEST kind of people. Unlike me, who "is miserable", they want to believe the best in people.

I can't count the ammount of houses I've worked on, AFTER "Brother" so and so screwed the owner, and every time, they hid behind their "brother" title, all the while being an outright fraud and crook. Mormon folks(yea I have the baptism paper, but they never asked me to go on a mission for some reason) are good people, who want to trust their fellow man, and it seems in my industry, construction, that screws them continuously. Seems the same in "conservation". This guy is a tool, and the sad thing is, a lot of guys, who believe in what they are doing, are tainted by him!

So, let the "mormon bashing" defense start now. Pay no attention to the Mormon using his mormonism to make his rich, just jump blindly to his defense because will be at church sunday.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

elkassassin · Mar 16, 2017

>>
>>Hey NeMont!
>>
>>I Have to Tell you just
>>about once a day!
>>
>>DON'T BE A F'N PRICK!
>>
>>You're So Miserable since the Election
>>You can't even Stand Yourself!
>>
>
>Elkass,
>
>If only you would ever take
>your own advice this site
>would be a whole lot
>of fun. Everyday you
>post some idiotic drivel that
>adds zero to the discussion.
>
>
>Just telling you to own up
>to what your states politics
>are doesn't make me a
>prick or mean I am
>miserable. It simply means
>you are part of the
>problem in your choice of
>who you send to DC
>to screw the rest of
>us over. I
>know facts bother you but
>if you want to see
>why there are guys like
>DP, look in the mirror.
> The guy looking back
>at you is both an
>enabler and an accessory to
>DP's agenda.
>
>Nemont

Hey NeMont!

You're up in the F'N Night!

Your Girl Lost!

And a Democrat Lost!

I Know that bothers you!

But it's a Done Deal!

Get over it!

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Gator · Mar 17, 2017

Maybe DON will auction off a few tags for building the wall.

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NeMont · Mar 17, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-17 AT 09:51AM (MST)[p]
>Hey NeMont!
>
>You're up in the F'N Night!
>
>
>Your Girl Lost!
>
>And a Democrat Lost!
>
>I Know that bothers you!
>
>But it's a Done Deal!
>
>Get over it!
>

Elkass,

Try to keep up, this thread is about yout brother in the LDS church being butt hurt, not me. You need to repent according to your fellow believer, he wasn't calling me out as I am not into any religion.

Maybe check in with your Bishop and see why you voted for Trump but still are getting called out by an fellow LDS member who also takes your hard earned tax money, works to help keep you from accessing Utah's streams, doesn't lend a hand in the battle to keep public lands in public hands but has the nads to say you aren't repented Mormon if you don't carry the Donald's water.

Now as for the rest of your rant. I didn't vote for any Democrats on my ballot, the House Rep I voted for is now the Sec. of the Interior and he has stated over and over that he is opposed to selling of public lands. Find anyone in your Congressional delegation who has made such a statement. Until you find one, I could give two Shyts what you babble about because there in the Beautiful state of Utah you got the twin pillars of hypocrisy and you support both.

Nemont

Robiland · Mar 17, 2017

I think SOMEONE ^^^^^ has an ax to grind with the Mormons.

NeMont · Mar 17, 2017

Perhaps study a little of the Stupidity that goes on before you break your back jumping to conclusions.

Nemont

hossblur · Mar 18, 2017

>I think SOMEONE ^^^^^ has an
>ax to grind with the
>Mormons.

How exactly? He is dead on with our congressional reps/senators. Secondly, he is dead on with THE DON. I doubt highly that the church leadership is on board with THE DON using his "secret handshake" as a selling tool to enrich himself, so why is pointing that out, now having an ax to grind?
As a lifelong citizen in Utah, two things make my grab my wallet, and put my back against a wall. "I'm BROTHER so and so....", and "I'm a Conservative from Utah".
This IS THE GUY, who is lobbying for $fw. This guy. He, using a membership numbers, and expo revenue numbers, is representing YOU. When some state legislative rep, not familiar with our issues needs info, THIS is the guy they talk to. THIS is the guy who is on TV, on radio, in the papers. THIS GUY. But, he is "brother" Peay, and $fw is a religion so no matter how much BS comes from him, his org, his defenders continually back him. We wonder how on earth this "conservation" ponzi scheme THIS MAN invented, contiues to flourish? Its freaking amazing, and by that unbelievable that a man, THE DON, can work to keep you off public land, publically advocate for the elimination of the North American model, fight to keep you off streams, take millions in government welfare, and now even insult your religious beliefs, and yet, NOTHING.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

pufftuffly · Mar 18, 2017

Robiland who doesn't have an ax to grid with the Mormons?

It's F'N Mormons who are leading the charge to take away our public lands.

Everything Nemont said is spot on.

hornsrus · Mar 18, 2017

>Robiland who doesn't have an ax
>to grid with the Mormons?
>
>
> It's F'N Mormons who are
>leading the charge to take
>away our public lands.
>
>Everything Nemont said is spot on.
>

I get on this place to talk hunting and I find a Mormon bashing fest instead. Obviously I'm not welcome on this site so this is it for me. When somebody does something stupid it's because they're a dumbass, not that they're catholic, mormon, etc.

grizzly · Mar 18, 2017

There are dozens of reasons to call out SFW and its leadership that are legitimate and valid concerns. Attacking millions of members of the same faith because of one's idiotic statements is certainly not one of them.

Stick to the facts... There's plenty of ammo to use against SFW, plus they're organizing themselves into a circular firing squad anyway by supporting the land grab. No reason to bring their place of worship into this discussion. It's distracting and not helpful in any way.

Plus, I highly doubt the church leadership in SLC even knows who SFW is. I guarantee they're not pulling any strings in this.

Grizzly

NeMont · Mar 18, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-18-17 AT 10:57AM (MST)[p]Then if you are consistent you should be highly pi$$3d that DP is using your Mormon faith to bash others for voting their conscience. Or is the church and it's members never to be questioned on anything?

DP is using your faith to promote an agenda that is anti hunting for the average Joe, he is saying you are not a good Mormon if you don't support Trump and that you need to repent for you political views based on his view of what being a Mormon means.

Yet you are whining that it is a Mormon bashing site? Please. Stupid is as stupid does I guess.

How about tell DP to lay offn using the Mormon faith to promote a political agenda?

Nemont

grizzly · Mar 18, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-18-17 AT 12:31PM (MST)[p]>DP is using your faith to
>promote an agenda that is
>anti hunting for the average
>Joe,

>Nemont

You repeatedly referred to Mormonism as my faith. I'm not Mormon.

The problem with your post is that when you make provably-false accusations like that, it makes it hard to take the rest of your argument seriously.

But regardless of my religious beliefs, I still can see useless, baseless, bigoted speech for what it is. And I'll call it out when I see it.

I'll wait for your apology for assigning me to a religion for no reason.

Let me guess, you're now going to falsely accuse me of being a SFW defender? 2lumpy and huntin50 would love to see that one.

Grizzly

NeMont · Mar 18, 2017

I wasn't responding to you. I was talking to Hornsrus but if you need an apology, I am sorry. Now apologize for assuming I am a "bigot".

Nemont

grizzly · Mar 18, 2017

I said your comments were useless, baseless, and bigoted. They were and they are.

I did not, however, attack you personally or your religious beliefs. And I won't.

Grizzly

El_Matador · Mar 18, 2017

As an active Mormon I can tell you what the church's official stance on voting is. They openly encourage individuals to study the candidates and issues, and then vote according to their own personal views.

Don is pretending to speak for the church, but he does not. Just more ramblings of a lunatic. It is unfortunate that such a dishonest man is tarnishing the name of the church with these statements. There are over 15 million Mormons, and some of them are just idiots.

Elkduds · Mar 18, 2017

I respect people's choice to follow LDS faith. However, it is na?ve to consider the politics of UT without accounting for the lopsided universal influence of the Church there. How successful would $FW be if DP was a Gentile? It is revealing to read the "discussion" between UT voters on both sides of this topic. I refilled my popcorn, and am in my comfy chair. Carry on.

huntin50 · Mar 20, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-17 AT 12:28PM (MST)[p]I wasn't at any sisters meeting. We only know what was written. He wasn't talking to a church group. It was a republican women's meeting.

I doubt Don was speaking for the LDS church. If he thought he was he was wrong period. He is pretty smart to be doing that.

He just pointed out that people can change, we all make mistakes. Often the very rich kids, of rich parents, have significant problems, drugs, entitlement opinion, not contributing much to society, etc. Trumps kids are all successful, hard working, great family oriented people, trying to make this country better.

Don thought some were quick to judge Trump, from some of the things he did and said in the past. People can change. Give Trump a chance.

We all would do well to not be so quick to judge.

I'm not a Trump fan. I think he is trying to do a good job. He needs to get rid of twitter IMO.

Don did help get Trump elected. He devoted a lot of last year to help get Trump elected. It seems like some hate Don and SFW so, so much they would rather have had Hillary win, so Don would have lost.

I wonder how things would be right now with Hillary, Pelosi, and liberal judges call the shots for us hunters the next 4 plus years?

I love to hunt, but it is not my religion.

wileywapati · Mar 20, 2017

"I wonder how things would be right now with Hillary, Pelosi, and liberal judges call the shots for us hunters the next 4 plus years?"

Valid question that merits discourse.

Two issues for me during the past election.
Public Lands.
2nd Amendment.
After that both candidates would see the stock bubble burst and both would send our kids to some chithole to duck 7.62 rounds and RPG's.

2nd Amendment rights are under attack, will always be under attack and must be defended. Reality is there are over 300 million guns in this country and no method for collection of them. Limits can surely be placed on ammo and accessories, but when the mythical knock comes to your door, are you gonna just hand the guns over? And who will be doing the knocking?

Public lands on the other hand have never been more prime for the picking. Confirm a like minded dude or two to sit behind the bench and reality ain't all that great.

The mindset of "it ain't Hillary" or "it ain't Mike Weinholz" is exactly how we end up with corrupt pricks like Herby, Bishop and Chaffetz.

I ain't telling any person here how to vote or who to support, just suggesting a quick review of fact, past performance and the likelihood of half of the chit heard in the media actually coming to pass.

"If the DWR was just doing its job, and
wildlife and hunting were the actual focus,
none of this process would even matter.
But that is not the focus or the goal in any
of this. The current DWR regime, and
SFW were born out of wildlife declines,
and are currently operated and funded
under that paradigm. Those 200 Expo
tags would not even be worth anything if
the focus was where it was supposed to
be, and wildlife and tags were plentiful.
But under the current business model,
that is how the money and power is
generated. It is generated through the
rising "value"(monitization) of a declining
resource. A resource that is supposed to
be being beneficially managed for the
masses that own that resource, ie. US.
The problem is obvious, hedging is not a
long term sustainable strategy, and
others have to lose, for some to win. In
this case it is us, the many, and our
resources, that are being forced to lose,
because there is a minority who's power
and money is derived from our loses."

LONETREE 3/15/16

Hawkeye · Mar 20, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-17 AT 01:44PM (MST)[p]"I doubt Don was speaking for the LDS church. If he thought he was he was wrong period. He is pretty smart to be doing that."

DP absolutely was NOT speaking on behalf of the LDS church. If the church wanted to make a statement on this or any other issue it would not come from DP. Moreover, DP's comments seem to contradict the church's position on political neutrality and the directive that members that should get involved on whatever side of the political spectrum that they see fit.

"Don did help get Trump elected. He devoted a lot of last year to help get Trump elected. It seems like some hate Don and SFW so, so much they would rather have had Hillary win, so Don would have lost."

I agree that DP spent a considerable amount of time supporting the Trump campaign in Utah. However, I am not sure how much of a difference those efforts made in the election results. Although I have certainly been critical of SFW and DP for some of their positions in the past, that played no role in how I voted in the presidential election. I voted for Trump in spite of DP's involvement in his campaign. My guess is that most of the voters that do not support Trump have a variety of reasons, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with DP.

At the end of the day, DP had the right to express his own personal views in that meeting last week, and now the public has the right to express their views regarding his comments. I don't think most of the comments in this thread are motivated by "hate" for DP. Rather, they are simply pointing out that he made some ridiculous and overreaching comments. As a sportsman, I was frankly more concerned by his prior comments suggesting that we should privatize hunting and that the NACM is an outdated, socialistic model that should be abandoned.

-Hawkeye-