hhunter23
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who shoots remington??
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elkassassin
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>and I'll beat that horse every
>time I see it ;-)
>
And bobi?
How many have you Seen Fail?
I Know it Happens!
But Truth be known I'll bet the Times it's Truthfully Happened would be in very Low Numbers!
besides,The Woman I Talked to at Remington Asked me if I had ever used WD-40 on My Guns?
I Said Hundreds of Times!
She then said any Malfunction would be My Fault!
You Gotta Use REM-OIL!
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>time I see it ;-)
>
And bobi?
How many have you Seen Fail?
I Know it Happens!
But Truth be known I'll bet the Times it's Truthfully Happened would be in very Low Numbers!
besides,The Woman I Talked to at Remington Asked me if I had ever used WD-40 on My Guns?
I Said Hundreds of Times!
She then said any Malfunction would be My Fault!
You Gotta Use REM-OIL!
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deadibob
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>>and I'll beat that horse every
>>time I see it ;-)
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>And bobi?
>
>How many have you Seen Fail?
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>I Know it Happens!
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>But Truth be known I'll bet
>the Times it's Truthfully Happened
>would be in very Low
>Numbers!
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>besides,The Woman I Talked to at
>Remington Asked me if I
>had ever used WD-40 on
>My Guns?
>
>I Said Hundreds of Times!
>
>She then said any Malfunction would
>be My Fault!
>
>You Gotta Use REM-OIL!
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>[Font][Font color = "blue"]I Changed My
>Signature Just for NVB!
>Like 6 Damn Times Now!
I've seen one Remington model 700 fire when taken off safety. It was a .375 H&H. Back when I used to film and produce hunting videos. During a fall brown bear hunt on Admiralty Island Alaska.
We were set up on a salmon stream (3 of us, guide, client and myself). The client and guide would chamber a round when set up. This time we saw no bears and were getting ready to leave so they both went to unchamber their guns. We were all standing maybe five feet apart when BOOM! The clients gun went off.
I don't think I've ever had a bigger crap your pants moment than when that Remington went off. All three of us were facing each other when it happened and fortunately the rifle was pointed upwards at the time. When you are in quiet hunting mode and a .375 h&h discharges several feet away, it leaves a big impression. The only thing that person did, was quietly take off the safety.
Needless to say their was a big discussion between client and guide as to what just happened. If I hadn't seen it myself, I wouldn't believe it. Unfortunately I had just shut my camera down and was in the act of putting my lens cap on when the gun went off, otherwise at least the audio would have been recorded.
Same season, different client, different island hunting black bear this time. This client also had a Rem 700 in .375 (the guide always recommended Remington and .375 was the minimum caliber he recommended). Client got a shot on a nice black bear, missed and tried to reload. He didn't get a follow up shot because his extractor failed and the casing was left stuck in the chamber (another known weakness of the Remington 700).
Those are my two first-hand experiences of Remington failures. That was enough to make me leary of Remington 700s. Add to that the quality control issues of the last 15 years along with the poor customer service combined with poorly handled recalls and I wouldn't buy a new Remington if it were half off.
In full disclosure I do like and buy OLDER Rem 870 and 1100 wingmasters when I find a good deal. They did make some good products at one time. Today, not so much.
>>time I see it ;-)
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>And bobi?
>
>How many have you Seen Fail?
>
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>I Know it Happens!
>
>But Truth be known I'll bet
>the Times it's Truthfully Happened
>would be in very Low
>Numbers!
>
>
>besides,The Woman I Talked to at
>Remington Asked me if I
>had ever used WD-40 on
>My Guns?
>
>I Said Hundreds of Times!
>
>She then said any Malfunction would
>be My Fault!
>
>You Gotta Use REM-OIL!
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>[Font][Font color = "blue"]I Changed My
>Signature Just for NVB!
>Like 6 Damn Times Now!
I've seen one Remington model 700 fire when taken off safety. It was a .375 H&H. Back when I used to film and produce hunting videos. During a fall brown bear hunt on Admiralty Island Alaska.
We were set up on a salmon stream (3 of us, guide, client and myself). The client and guide would chamber a round when set up. This time we saw no bears and were getting ready to leave so they both went to unchamber their guns. We were all standing maybe five feet apart when BOOM! The clients gun went off.
I don't think I've ever had a bigger crap your pants moment than when that Remington went off. All three of us were facing each other when it happened and fortunately the rifle was pointed upwards at the time. When you are in quiet hunting mode and a .375 h&h discharges several feet away, it leaves a big impression. The only thing that person did, was quietly take off the safety.
Needless to say their was a big discussion between client and guide as to what just happened. If I hadn't seen it myself, I wouldn't believe it. Unfortunately I had just shut my camera down and was in the act of putting my lens cap on when the gun went off, otherwise at least the audio would have been recorded.
Same season, different client, different island hunting black bear this time. This client also had a Rem 700 in .375 (the guide always recommended Remington and .375 was the minimum caliber he recommended). Client got a shot on a nice black bear, missed and tried to reload. He didn't get a follow up shot because his extractor failed and the casing was left stuck in the chamber (another known weakness of the Remington 700).
Those are my two first-hand experiences of Remington failures. That was enough to make me leary of Remington 700s. Add to that the quality control issues of the last 15 years along with the poor customer service combined with poorly handled recalls and I wouldn't buy a new Remington if it were half off.
In full disclosure I do like and buy OLDER Rem 870 and 1100 wingmasters when I find a good deal. They did make some good products at one time. Today, not so much.
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Yes I do use "some" Remington 700's.
While I'm sure there are some mechanical fails, I'd be willing to bet the farm that most (99.638%) are caused by careless gun handling. I'm sure they fail every time when the safety is switched to fire with the finger on the trigger and unless it happened to YOU, you have no clue what really happened.
The other issue is gun care. I've had the pleasure and chore of working on hundreds of Remington's and most guys don't clean them at all. The debris alone is enough to choke a horse and the corrosion is something to behold. I just shake my head at the careless practices.
It's amazing that more don't "fail".
With that said, the newer Rem's are so hard to make into a usable trigger that replacement is protocol and has become standard operating procedure!
Zeke
While I'm sure there are some mechanical fails, I'd be willing to bet the farm that most (99.638%) are caused by careless gun handling. I'm sure they fail every time when the safety is switched to fire with the finger on the trigger and unless it happened to YOU, you have no clue what really happened.
The other issue is gun care. I've had the pleasure and chore of working on hundreds of Remington's and most guys don't clean them at all. The debris alone is enough to choke a horse and the corrosion is something to behold. I just shake my head at the careless practices.
It's amazing that more don't "fail".
With that said, the newer Rem's are so hard to make into a usable trigger that replacement is protocol and has become standard operating procedure!
Zeke
"A 1948 Remington memo obtained by CNBC said that Walker's proposal was "the best design," however "its disadvantages lay in the high expenditure required to make the conversion." The projected cost: 5.5 cents per gun."
Remington managers decided that they literally would not spend a nickel on improving safety. Back then, a Remington 721 sold for about $88 and a Winchester Model 70 was like $126. Granted, round bar receivers and brazed on bolt handles with a bent paper clip for an extractor was cheaper to fabricate, but on top of that.... stories like the nickel the managers did not want to allow the design engineers..... whatever, the cost difference was more than Winchester could overcome.
Remington managers decided that they literally would not spend a nickel on improving safety. Back then, a Remington 721 sold for about $88 and a Winchester Model 70 was like $126. Granted, round bar receivers and brazed on bolt handles with a bent paper clip for an extractor was cheaper to fabricate, but on top of that.... stories like the nickel the managers did not want to allow the design engineers..... whatever, the cost difference was more than Winchester could overcome.
Hey Elmer, what do you figure the percentage of those remingtons in question were stripped and thoroughly cleaned prior to initial use and periodically there after? Not to belittle the tragicness of these incidents but they all could have been prevented with proper muzzle control. Do a search on this website alone and you'll see a dozen or more threads on this subject. Add in the multiple times the cnbc story has been aired, the flyers posted at Sporting Goods stores and you would have had to of been under a rock the last 5 years to not know about this. Hence the beating the deadhorse cartoon.
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There was a easy solution to this problem. I used that solution about 30 years ago. I quit buying Remington rifles and went to other brands. Not only was the "Walker" trigger a problem that Remington refused to correct, but their extractor was a p!ss poor design and so was their flimsy recoil lug that was sandwiched between the barrel and receiver. All designed for cheap construction.
RELH
RELH
LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-17 AT 09:01PM (MST)[p]"There was a easy solution to this problem. I used that solution about 30 years ago. I quit buying Remington rifles and went to other brands"
+1
I have owned a 721 and a few 700's. I did not like any of them. Honestly, they were accurate. But compared to the competition, they were rough and there was always the looming leave one in the chamber with even factory load issue. Frustrating! Anyone actually own one who has never seen that? I just shot a match last month with a guy in our squad with a DNF for that issue. It really is like a bent paper clip
why is the Sako type upgrade considered a +? All have been traded or sold. I remember as a teenager hearing a shot nearby. I went to see... a guy had a buck flopping and a stuck factory case in the chamber, was going to try to seal the deal with a knife. I just gave him my rifle to finish the job.
I'm ok with beating a dead horse I know only a small percentage of the Walker triggers are in the part of the tolerance stack that will cause the gun to fire when the safety is flipped off. But just for a WAG, say it costs $100 to replace, check and ship the gun home. That's probably low... there are almost 8 million guns potentially subjected to the voluntary recall... only a small percentage of owners will send them in. But if all did, that's close to a billion dollars. They couldn't even get an offer at $880 mil asking price for the company. Is Remington the dead horse?
+1
I have owned a 721 and a few 700's. I did not like any of them. Honestly, they were accurate. But compared to the competition, they were rough and there was always the looming leave one in the chamber with even factory load issue. Frustrating! Anyone actually own one who has never seen that? I just shot a match last month with a guy in our squad with a DNF for that issue. It really is like a bent paper clip
why is the Sako type upgrade considered a +? All have been traded or sold. I remember as a teenager hearing a shot nearby. I went to see... a guy had a buck flopping and a stuck factory case in the chamber, was going to try to seal the deal with a knife. I just gave him my rifle to finish the job. I'm ok with beating a dead horse
I know only a small percentage of the Walker triggers are in the part of the tolerance stack that will cause the gun to fire when the safety is flipped off. But just for a WAG, say it costs $100 to replace, check and ship the gun home. That's probably low... there are almost 8 million guns potentially subjected to the voluntary recall... only a small percentage of owners will send them in. But if all did, that's close to a billion dollars. They couldn't even get an offer at $880 mil asking price for the company. Is Remington the dead horse?
deadibob
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Yes the fact that a very small percentage of the millions of model 700s have actually had this problem is a good thing. But it has, does and can happen. People have been killed due to the faulty safety. It has been proven to happen in a controlled environment with no touching of the trigger.
Just because someone hasn't experienced the problem, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and won't happen eventually. Good luck to those who ignore the warning, no matter how small the risk.
Just because someone hasn't experienced the problem, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and won't happen eventually. Good luck to those who ignore the warning, no matter how small the risk.
LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-17 AT 09:18PM (MST)[p]They were killed due to negligence. My hunter safety course was 37 years ago but I remember the ten commandments of gun safety.
https://www.remington.com/support/safety-center/ten-commandments-firearm-safety
https://www.remington.com/support/safety-center/ten-commandments-firearm-safety
deadibob
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>LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-17
>AT 09:18?PM (MST)
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>They were killed due to negligence.
>My hunter safety course was
>37 years ago but I
>remember the ten commandments of
>gun safety.
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>https://www.remington.com/support/safety-center/ten-commandments-firearm-safety
No argument there. Unfortunately negligence is abundant. Obviously a gun should never be pointed at someone. A safety should never be counted on either, but people get complacent at times and that doesn't even count those that are stupid .
That doesn't change the fact that remington knew about the problem and ignored, even covered it up. That makes them liable.
>AT 09:18?PM (MST)
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>They were killed due to negligence.
>My hunter safety course was
>37 years ago but I
>remember the ten commandments of
>gun safety.
>
>
>https://www.remington.com/support/safety-center/ten-commandments-firearm-safety
No argument there. Unfortunately negligence is abundant. Obviously a gun should never be pointed at someone. A safety should never be counted on either, but people get complacent at times and that doesn't even count those that are stupid .
That doesn't change the fact that remington knew about the problem and ignored, even covered it up. That makes them liable.
I am liable to buy more Remingtons. Don't much care about the legal battles. My Remingtons are the most accurate factory rifles I have. Some even have re-worked Walkers in them (Gasp!) Factory Remington triggers are great when done correctly. I've made the offer before, I'll take any unwanted Remingtons. At a greatly reduced price of course since they are defective. Never had any takers. Weird. mtmuley
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-19-17 AT 09:15PM (MST)[p] When Me & My Friends were in School We done alot of Plinking!
My Friend bought a Remington Pump 22 out of a PAWN Shop!(Bad Choice there!)
Wore out Whore for sure!
He Thought it was Neat cuzz He Could Hold the Trigger Back & Pump it & it Would Fire!
We Were at His Parents Dinner Table Cleaning Guns!
He Got His Old Wore Out Remington back together after Cleaning It & Started Chucking it!
With The Trigger Pulled back as Always knowing it was Unloaded!
About the 10th or 12th Chuck/Pump!
Out of Somewhere!
KABOOM!
Nice Hole through the Ceiling!
Luckily Nobody got Hurt!
Kinda Shyed me away from ever buying any PAWN Shop Specials!
EDIT:You Can't Blame Remington for this Wore Out SOB that Somebody Decided to take the Easy/Chicken way out & PAWN it off on Somebody else!
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My Friend bought a Remington Pump 22 out of a PAWN Shop!(Bad Choice there!)
Wore out Whore for sure!
He Thought it was Neat cuzz He Could Hold the Trigger Back & Pump it & it Would Fire!
We Were at His Parents Dinner Table Cleaning Guns!
He Got His Old Wore Out Remington back together after Cleaning It & Started Chucking it!
With The Trigger Pulled back as Always knowing it was Unloaded!
About the 10th or 12th Chuck/Pump!
Out of Somewhere!
KABOOM!
Nice Hole through the Ceiling!
Luckily Nobody got Hurt!
Kinda Shyed me away from ever buying any PAWN Shop Specials!
EDIT:You Can't Blame Remington for this Wore Out SOB that Somebody Decided to take the Easy/Chicken way out & PAWN it off on Somebody else!
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deadibob
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>LAST EDITED ON Mar-19-17
>AT 09:15?PM (MST)
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> When Me & My Friends
>were in School We done
>alot of Plinking!
>
>My Friend bought a Remington Pump
>22 out of a PAWN
>Shop!(Bad Choice there!)
>
>Wore out Whore for sure!
>
>He Thought it was Neat cuzz
>He Could Hold the Trigger
>Back & Pump it &
>it Would Fire!
>
>We Were at His Parents Dinner
>Table Cleaning Guns!
>
>He Got His Old Wore Out
>Remington back together after Cleaning
>It & Started Chucking it!
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>With The Trigger Pulled back as
>Always knowing it was Unloaded!
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>
>About the 10th or 12th Chuck/Pump!
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>Out of Somewhere!
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>KABOOM!
>
>Nice Hole through the Ceiling!
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>Luckily Nobody got Hurt!
>
>Kinda Shyed me away from ever
>buying any PAWN Shop Specials!
>
>
>EDIT:You Can't Blame Remington for this
>Wore Out SOB that Somebody
>Decided to take the Easy/Chicken
>way out & PAWN it
>off on Somebody else!
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>[Font][Font color = "blue"]I Changed My
>Signature Just for NVB!
>Like 6 Damn Times Now!
You should have carved "UTE SPECIAL" in the stock and put it on consignment at the Bottle Hollow flea market for $500.,
>AT 09:15?PM (MST)
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> When Me & My Friends
>were in School We done
>alot of Plinking!
>
>My Friend bought a Remington Pump
>22 out of a PAWN
>Shop!(Bad Choice there!)
>
>Wore out Whore for sure!
>
>He Thought it was Neat cuzz
>He Could Hold the Trigger
>Back & Pump it &
>it Would Fire!
>
>We Were at His Parents Dinner
>Table Cleaning Guns!
>
>He Got His Old Wore Out
>Remington back together after Cleaning
>It & Started Chucking it!
>
>
>With The Trigger Pulled back as
>Always knowing it was Unloaded!
>
>
>About the 10th or 12th Chuck/Pump!
>
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>Out of Somewhere!
>
>KABOOM!
>
>Nice Hole through the Ceiling!
>
>Luckily Nobody got Hurt!
>
>Kinda Shyed me away from ever
>buying any PAWN Shop Specials!
>
>
>EDIT:You Can't Blame Remington for this
>Wore Out SOB that Somebody
>Decided to take the Easy/Chicken
>way out & PAWN it
>off on Somebody else!
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>[Font][Font color = "blue"]I Changed My
>Signature Just for NVB!
>Like 6 Damn Times Now!
You should have carved "UTE SPECIAL" in the stock and put it on consignment at the Bottle Hollow flea market for $500.,
