SHED-HEAD CITATIONS???

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I've heard of a few here in the Basin!

Still Don't know what's Fact & what's not?

I've Talked with several Legal Shed Heads & They're All Complaining about Finding Damn little to nothing!

Except Old Foot Tracks!

Old Wheeler Tracks!

And Old Horse Tracks!

I'd Place a Bet You'll be Buying a Shed Antler Permit here in TARDville before long!

The BS is outa hand!

Talked with a couple of Shed Buyers in the Last Few Days & Both of them claimed the Buying to be Perty Slow!

For the Most Part We do need to let the Elk Sheds hit the Ground though!

GEEZUS!!!








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After seeing what a giant failure the closure was this year, the big increase in off road vehicle tracks, and the fact a huge amount of the horns were picked up prior to the opener. If and when the DWR tries to pull that bullshit gig again, they'll likely see a huge pushback. The intention of the closure was good, but the results were a disaster, and the public needs to make sure the DWR knows it can't happen again.
 
I agree!

Total Failure!

And I'll Guarantee the 16 Citations won't Out Weigh the Extra Hours/Labor Costs of the DWR doing what Little Patrolling they were doing!



>After seeing what a giant failure
>the closure was this year,
>the big increase in off
>road vehicle tracks, and the
>fact a huge amount of
>the horns were picked up
>prior to the opener. If
>and when the DWR tries
>to pull that bullshit gig
>again, they'll likely see a
>huge pushback. The intention of
>the closure was good, but
>the results were a disaster,
> and the public needs
>to make sure the DWR
>knows it can't happen again.
>










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I know one group of about 20 people that went down to the books 3 days before the opener and stayed for 5 or 6 days and came home with 92 horns. I seen the pictures and it looked like most of them were brown elk horns
 
>I'd Place a Bet You'll be
>Buying a Shed Antler Permit
>here in TARDville before long!
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Of course you will. Just another revenue stream.
 
So arns?

They didn't pick any up before the Opener,Right?

>I know one group of about
>20 people that went down
>to the books 3 days
>before the opener and stayed
>for 5 or 6 days
>and came home with 92
>horns. I seen the pictures
>and it looked like most
>of them were brown elk
>horns










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Let's See?

92 Horns!

Divided by 20 People!

Equals 4.6!

Divided by let's say 5!

Equals .92 Horns Each Per Day!

Sounds Impressive until you do the Math & Add the Expenses up!

But I can Hear it now:

By GAWD We kicked some Serious Ass & Gathered 92 Horns up!







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You know as well as I do ,why else would you go down 3 days early.GPS them stash them or just pick them up.Any way you look at it they had a 3 day head start.
 
Well, I'm happy that folks enjoy shed hunting, for what ever reason they have for gathering, be it monetary, competitive, thrill of the find, exercise, personal collections, or whatever. I've done a little, before it become a tradition.

Personally, I don't believe it's creates a positive environment for wintering big game animals. Before it attracted the large participation, that you've all described, i.e.: horses, atvs, campers, motor homes, large groups of people, etc in the field, from the middle of February thru the end of May, it may have had minimal impact. By your own description, that has changed, the impact is significant and it changed some years prior to this year's "Easter egg hunt" with it's accompanying illegal behavior.

As the public's behavior changes, for what ever reason, (in this case, I think it was the growth in the number of mature bull elk, but that's just an opinion) it becomes incumbent that those whom are responsible to protect wildlife for future hunting, make changes as well, to protect the resource, when it was not previously necessary to do so.

Self regulation is a wonderful concept, but if people are gathering, as you say, after the closure, then you know these same people and others will not self regulate. Some folks just won't, no matter how noble the cause. If that is the case, and apparently it is, then more regulation maybe necessary, not because anyone gives two hoots in hell about the antlers or who gets them or who doesn't, but if, in fact, it is harmful to big game, I for one will be encouraging what ever it takes to protect our deer and elk herds, during their most vulnerable time of year.

The cost of regulation is worth the cost, in my opinion. Unpopular as it may be, it will be me pushing for more regulation, if this keeps up. You can count on it.

DC
 
I couldn't agree more with Lumpy. At the same time I hate everything he suggested as far as more restriction. I've said before, I couldn't give two sh*ts about shed hunting myself but It's just too bad some people act like idiots and ruin it for all of us. Same with ATVs, gun ranges, private property closures and the list goes on. More demand results in more restriction because you'll always have that one guy that lacks respect.
 
Sorry guys, but deer seasons and regulations doesn't stop all the poaching, but it helps and more with time when laws are enforced. Doesn't mean we should abandon hunting regs.

I think just the opposite, the DWR should keep pushing and push harder for a few years until people get the idea that they are serious about leaving the sheds alone until April. I am sure it has helped already as people were probably not likely chasing game with 4 wheelers out in the open.

The idea for the closure is sound. They are freaking antlers people! Not some entitlement. Take a breath and do what is right for the animals.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Well said lumpy.
For the amount of COs the dwr has no reasonable person should expect they can patrol the entire winter range. So the only way to really deter folks from gathering antlers early is to make an example of the few that do get caught.
Once people see guys losing hunting rights, having equipment confiscated and meaningful fines they'll think twice about hitting it early.
 
>I know one group of about
>20 people that went down
>to the books 3 days
>before the opener and stayed
>for 5 or 6 days
>and came home with 92
>horns. I seen the pictures
>and it looked like most
>of them were brown elk
>horns


what is your point your talking to the person that was at that camp and we didnt leave are camp and we do good every year so your assuming we dont need to cheat thats why there called honey holes
 
>You know as well as I
>do ,why else would you
>go down 3 days early.GPS
>them stash them or just
>pick them up.Any way you
>look at it they had
>a 3 day head start.
>


just to let you know there was a trail camera set next to are camp that wasnt ares and can prove we did not leave are camp and we where trying to beat the storm that was coming in so we could get to are camp i know people thats been up there for a week and a half before we got there
 
I think they should close she'd hunting till May 1st. With the madness of people lloving the critters to death, we unfortunately have to have rules and regulations to help enforce ourselves.
 
I believe that this shut down was needed for this year and yeah I'm sure people was out ahead of us but we went anyway. We were in the basin and had a blast. I was surprised that there wasn't more people and we didn't come across any old tracks off any kind and we did pretty well. 70 + horns and 1/3 of them being brown with a great 185 set!!! Also we had a kid that hasn't been shed hunting yet that picked up a few horns himself and you should have seen him smile!!!!!!! There will always be few that will cheat or break laws to get ahead but that won't stop us from enjoying time outdoors with friends and family.
 
Got any Pics overthere?

I'd like to see the Brown Gold!

>>I know one group of about
>>20 people that went down
>>to the books 3 days
>>before the opener and stayed
>>for 5 or 6 days
>>and came home with 92
>>horns. I seen the pictures
>>and it looked like most
>>of them were brown elk
>>horns
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>what is your point your talking
>to the person that was
>at that camp and we
>didnt leave are camp and
>we do good every year
>so your assuming we dont
>need to cheat thats why
>there called honey holes










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>Got any Pics overthere?
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>I'd like to see the Brown
>Gold!
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>>>I know one group of about
>>>20 people that went down
>>>to the books 3 days
>>>before the opener and stayed
>>>for 5 or 6 days
>>>and came home with 92
>>>horns. I seen the pictures
>>>and it looked like most
>>>of them were brown elk
>>>horns
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>>what is your point your talking
>>to the person that was
>>at that camp and we
>>didnt leave are camp and
>>we do good every year
>>so your assuming we dont
>>need to cheat thats why
>>there called honey holes
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-09-17 AT 08:31PM (MST)[p]Got it!

Is that this years?

Or Last years?



>>Got any Pics overthere?
>>
>>I'd like to see the Brown
>>Gold!
>>
>>>>I know one group of about
>>>>20 people that went down
>>>>to the books 3 days
>>>>before the opener and stayed
>>>>for 5 or 6 days
>>>>and came home with 92
>>>>horns. I seen the pictures
>>>>and it looked like most
>>>>of them were brown elk
>>>>horns
>>>
>>>
>>>what is your point your talking
>>>to the person that was
>>>at that camp and we
>>>didnt leave are camp and
>>>we do good every year
>>>so your assuming we dont
>>>need to cheat thats why
>>>there called honey holes
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So?

Did you Find out Who's Trail Cam was by your Camp?



>Nothing real big yet and there
>was not 20 of us
>it was hit way before
>we got there this year
>sucked










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Yes we do after the first we didn't know they where there until after but it's good for us to show we didn't leave are camp so good on are part
 
Being as it was my Camera, I will just go ahead and put it out there that what Overthere has stated is truth, I fully believe they were legal. I was camped next door and believe they were legit. This crew knows the area better than just about anyone and it shows with the amount of bone they pull out every year.

I showed up 2 days early as well does that make me a shed poaching SOB????? Had my camp set up a week and a half in advance, along with my trail cameras.

I did it legal and it cost me this year I'm sure of it. My best spots had been picked over before the 1st.

And I dont know what you are talking about Overthere a 380 set is pretty big in my book. Most of the bigger stuff did seem to be missing from the hills before the 1st though.


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I don't get the shed hunting thing at all? I guess if I were to do it, exercise would be the #1 goal for me.

But....I certainly don't think others should be told when/how to do it by the damn government either. The whole thing seems to have gotten silly!?

Hopefully for those of you that do enjoy it, you can carry on without government interference - at least that's my opinion!!
 
Shed seasons are like locked gates they keep the honest out. However if there is going to be a permanent shed season wyoming and utah should do theirs the same day it would take care of alot of the nonresident fueds involved with shed hunting. But honestly if shed seasons can be avoided I think it is best. The DNR doesn't have the manpower to enforce closures like this years.
 
Be like Wyoming and deny access to winter grounds to anyone. Makes it really easy, they don't give a ##### if you are bird watching or letting your dog poop, if you go on the closed winter ground you get a ticket.
 
Everyone thought I was an a hole for saying the closure was a waste of time and for these exact reasons. Just saying. What is there in the state, like around 1 officer per county to cover all that ground 24 7? It's like Eels speedway here. The speed limit is more of a suggestion and there's a lot more traffic cops than there is fish cops. Anyone who doesn't have the good sense to police themselves are gonna win that roulette spin a lot more than not.
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-17 AT 06:23AM (MST)[p]Come to think of it, the feel good folks should have had this shed pressure thing solved with the shed certificate right? Another feel good waste of time that just hassles those who are neither inclined nor hell bent on chasing an antler at all costs. We need some other genius to come up with a requirement to set up certificate courses for ethical shooting of road signs to stop that.
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>Being as it was my Camera,
>I will just go ahead
>and put it out there
>that what Overthere has stated
>is truth, I fully believe
>they were legal. I
>was camped next door and
>believe they were legit.
>This crew knows the area
>better than just about anyone
>and it shows with the
>amount of bone they pull
>out every year.
>
>I showed up 2 days early
>as well does that make
>me a shed poaching SOB?????
>Had my camp set up
>a week and a half
>in advance, along with my
>trail cameras.
>
> I did it legal and
>it cost me this year
>I'm sure of it.
>My best spots had been
>picked over before the 1st.
>
>
>And I dont know what you
>are talking about Overthere a
>380 set is pretty big
>in my book. Most
>of the bigger stuff did
>seem to be missing from
>the hills before the 1st
>though.
>
>
>Jake H. BIG BONE HUNTING
>Page on Facebook.
>
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Thanks we appreciate the antler where pretty much cleaned up I agree it was a bad year because of all the shed poachers hopefully next year better for us all that is again
 
>I know one group of about
>20 people that went down
>to the books 3 days
>before the opener and stayed
>for 5 or 6 days
>and came home with 92
>horns. I seen the pictures
>and it looked like most
>of them were brown elk
>horns


So arns your doing alot of assuming back up what you are saying or justify what you said your spreading alot of rumors around town with nothing to back it you got proof jealousy is a ##### all ways gets you caught up just saying and we know who you are Mr.todd Arnold
 
I think our herds need a break and like the idea of closing things down during a time when the herds need it. I just wish the penalty for breaking the law would be harsher. It has to be where there are just not enough law enforcement. There are ways to make people think twice before heading in early, though there will always be people breaking the law. The way I see it the DWR came out and said the closure happened to prevent winter kill. Well than why are you basing the citation on horns in possession, stashing, etc.? They should be looking at it as you caused 2, 3 Deer to die! You lose your hunting rights for 2, 3 seasons. Or better yet, you take all their damn bonus points! Hunters that have invested time and money for a decade or more building points will see that the crime doesn't pay. After all, If they are placing a closure to prevent loss of an already precious resource then people are poaching Deer and Elk not poaching Deer or Elk antlers.
 
Sadly the same thing happened here in Northwest Colorado. They had several of our top units here closed from March 3rd thru April 15th. The closure seemed to have little to no impact on keeping people from going out. Everybody I talked too said they seen boot tracks and off road
vehicle sign everywhere. Sadly the restrictions were not enforced and the law abiding people got the shaft. I have yet to hear of anybody who was issued a ticket for going out early or anybody who even seen a DOW Officer patrolling any of these areas either. It was a pretty well known fact that people were out making stash piles and were marking them with flags in the sand wash basin in unit 2. There were also several campers that were parked in Maybell Colorado that were sneaking antlers in at night during the closure. As far as i know they were never issued any citations even after being reported by people. I first hand reported some land owners that were shed hunting on BLM land in unit 10 during the closure and were driving anywhctly where the group was parked and staying. Again I never heard back from anybody and no citations were given to my knowledge. If Colorado or any other states want to impose regulations i wish they would actually enforce them.
 
How many times do we have to learn this in this country. You can't legislate ethics, you can't legislate morality. You guys sound like the liberals after a gun incident gone wrong. Ban all weapons and that will fix everything! We already have game harassment laws right? Wouldn't chasing a herd of elk up and down the mountains in deep snow constitute game harassment? It's just a simple fact, we can't enforce the laws we already have on the books, why do you think making more laws would help? We need to educate people on these issues, it's a sad fact, most of the people I meet shed hunting have no clue when the majority of sheds drop, and what the biological process is that actually causes sheds to drop. If I support any more regulations it is having more seasonal road closures, which are a lot easier to enforce than a shed season! Are you really prepared to ban all outdoor activities on public lands for months of the year? I for one will never stand for that BS.
 
>How many times do we have
>to learn this in this
>country. You can't legislate ethics,
>you can't legislate morality. You
>guys sound like the liberals
>after a gun incident gone
>wrong. Ban all weapons and
>that will fix everything! We
>already have game harassment laws
>right? Wouldn't chasing a herd
>of elk up and down
>the mountains in deep snow
>constitute game harassment? It's just
>a simple fact, we can't
>enforce the laws we already
>have on the books, why
>do you think making more
>laws would help? We need
>to educate people on these
>issues, it's a sad fact,
>most of the people I
>meet shed hunting have no
>clue when the majority of
>sheds drop, and what the
>biological process is that actually
>causes sheds to drop. If
>I support any more regulations
>it is having more seasonal
>road closures, which are a
>lot easier to enforce than
>a shed season! Are you
>really prepared to ban all
>outdoor activities on public lands
>for months of the year?
>I for one will never
>stand for that BS.


Well said.
 
+1 dragon. Well said. I love how these guys and the dwr ignore the fact that it's already illegal to harass game. Stick to the laws you already have on the books. Find ways to incentives the public to turn in people that are harrasing game. Hell everybody has a camera now days.


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Im all for a shed season. I get all my shed hunting done two weeks before the season opens. 5 80" horns in one day. Reminds me of the good old days!
 
Good, then we wont need to worry about you putting in for trophy units, picking up shed antlers, or hunting anything with antlers, you should be happy with killing cows, and doe's and just hunting for the meat. Good on ya.


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I love shed hunting, I say kudos to all that pipe up saying that it's stupid, they don't get it. Spread the word of how stupid it is!!!
 
I thought the intent of my comment was obvious, I will dumb it down more. I don't understand the fascination of a horn laying on the ground. I think its comical how crazy everybody is about it. I am just glad they burn up all their vacation days looking for "sheds" so they can't actually hunt when the season arrives! :)
 
>I thought the intent of my
>comment was obvious, I will
>dumb it down more. I
>don't understand the fascination of
>a horn laying on the
>ground. I think its comical
>how crazy everybody is about
>it. I am just glad
>they burn up all their
>vacation days looking for "sheds"
>so they can't actually hunt
>when the season arrives! :)
>


I dont understand the fascination with shooting coyotes aka dogs.
 
He doesn't shoot them he just chases them, when he catches them he does what ever he does to them ?
 

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