WHICH MM'ER SHOT THE WOLF???

It's simply heart warming to know there are honorable people among us, who just quietly do good, without fanfare or recognition.

Oh, I know............ we're going to get a lecture on poaching but just to get head of Tri on this one.

We know nothing, we can't lynch anyone without knowledge of the facts.

This wolf may have been hit by a stray bullet, that ricocheted off a boulder, by some Easter weekenders, sighting in there .17 cal. Christmas gift.

Or a failed attempt at a mercy killing, of a white wolf hit by a used Subaru, driven by a 17 year old enrolled at Montana State/Gallatin, in Bozeman.

Poor girl, must be wracked with guilt and grief........... or not.

DC
 
>Dang, Clearly, I'm an rank amature.
>:D
>
>How you been Tri?
>
>DC


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>Dang, Clearly, I'm an rank amature.
>:D
>
>How you been Tri?
>
>DC

Never been so busy in all my life. Working myself to death. Had a great turkey season though. Hope all is well.

Cheers
 
whoever it was, just know that you are a hero and you will hopefully never get the credit that you so deserve!
 
What a great thing to see; a bunch of guys that claim to care about wildlife talking about how great it is to hear that an animal was shot illegally, in a piece of ground specifically set aside to protect wildlife and not only that, the animal was left to suffer. You guys are pukes, liars and hypocrites.
 
Wolves are our enemy / competition for the animals we care about. If one of our soldiers shot a known active member of isis without legal engagement I wouldn't hesitate to say good job!
 
Not surprisingly most of these guys who are praising the poaching of that wolf are F'N Utards.

I think I'll go back to the shed hunting forum now to read about 'tards whining about other 'tards who pick and choose fish and game laws they want to follow.
 
>Not surprisingly most of these guys
>who are praising the poaching
>of that wolf are F'N
>Utards.
>
>I think I'll go back to
>the shed hunting forum now
>to read about 'tards whining
>about other 'tards who pick
>and choose fish and game
>laws they want to follow.
>


Jim are you related to Donny Baker???
 
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I like the posts saying wolves are our "enemy" and the shooter is a "hero". You just can't make stupid stuff like that up. mtmuley
 
They're our competition no question. I hope it's a long time before they're established here in colorado.
 
>Yes, Zen Master. ;-)
>
>DC


Hey Lumpy!

1st Time I've been called that!

I Looked it up on Urban Dictionary:

zen master:
One who gives wise advice, based on the skills of greggle. One who has more integrity, honesty and willpower than you. One who will ask for your boobs at any chance.







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LAST EDITED ON May-14-17 AT 08:14PM (MST)[p]Hey DW!

One Ventured through the Corner of TARDville and in to your State just a few years ago!

Problem is!

It Ventured back to TARDville & Somebody Shot it!

If You Think TARDS Brake Shed Huntin Rules!

You Ought to see them Eliminate BIG Coyotes!





>They're our competition no question. I
>hope it's a long time
>before they're established here in
>colorado.










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>Well you dont have to worry
>about bess shooting a wolf.
> He would have to
>log off MM's.com

You're Right!

You Don't need to worry about Me doing what You do!








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>Well you dont have to worry
>about bess shooting a wolf.
> He would have to
>log off MM's.com


Your penis envy is getting embarrassing.
 
Sounds like time for a Spartacus remake: "I'm Spartacus, no I'm Spartacus, no I'm ....."

I shot the wolf, no I shot the wolf, no I shot the wolf........

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
>
>If You Think TARDS Brake Shed
>Huntin Rules!
>
>You Ought to see them Eliminate
>BIG Coyotes!
>
No way it was shot by a Utard. If it had been there would be a post Titled "Help me find my illegally killed wolf". That usually gets posted before the sunsets on day one.
 
My guess is it was not a sportsman of any kind... In situations like this you have to ask yourself who benefits from a wolf being wounded and found INSIDE the park..??

That is who most likely shot it.

That or alcohol was involved.

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
It's amazing the amount of people that think stupid $hit like shooting that wolf is something to be proud of. There are other issues to be concerned about. If you are scared the big, bad wof will wreck your hunting, you ain't paying attention. Now that Wyoming is on board with hunting them, what are all you would be wolf poachers gonna do? Odds are, you'll never see one anyway. mtmuley
 
I don't know or care who shot the white wolf or why they shot it. All I know is they made it into a "good" wolf. Congratulations on their courage.
 
>It's amazing the amount of people
>that think stupid $hit like
>shooting that wolf is something
>to be proud of. There
>are other issues to be
>concerned about. If you are
>scared the big, bad wof
>will wreck your hunting, you
>ain't paying attention. Now that
>Wyoming is on board with
>hunting them, what are all
>you would be wolf poachers
>gonna do? Odds are, you'll
>never see one anyway. mtmuley
>


Your ignorance is amazing! As a sportsman you should know the destruction they are causing. The problem is they went unmanaged way too long and still aren't being managed to the levels they should. As far as never seeing one it looks to me like the guy that seen that one wasn't gonna waste an opportunity. One wounded or dead wolf is a good wolf. Same thing with coyotes.
 
>>It's amazing the amount of people
>>that think stupid $hit like
>>shooting that wolf is something
>>to be proud of. There
>>are other issues to be
>>concerned about. If you are
>>scared the big, bad wof
>>will wreck your hunting, you
>>ain't paying attention. Now that
>>Wyoming is on board with
>>hunting them, what are all
>>you would be wolf poachers
>>gonna do? Odds are, you'll
>>never see one anyway. mtmuley
>>
>
>
>Your ignorance is amazing! As a
>sportsman you should know the
>destruction they are causing. The
>problem is they went unmanaged
>way too long and still
>aren't being managed to the
>levels they should. As far
>as never seeing one
>it looks to me like
>the guy that seen that
>one wasn't gonna waste an
>opportunity. One wounded or dead
>wolf is a good wolf.
>Same thing with coyotes.

Thanks ox for proving my point. mtmuley
 
If it was intentionally shot, I hope they find the shooter. They deserve the Conservationist of the Year award. :)
 
To many of you, not all, but many; You are uneducated, ignorant pieces of #####. I would be willing to bet that all of the guys on this post praising a POACHER have big trucks and little dicks, a fat wife and job that will be replaced with an illegal in short order. And you know what, you deserve it all.

This used to be a cool forum, there used to be people with valid points and cool pictures. Its no wonder that all the guys that actually put in work and actually find trophy animals don't come here anymore, because it is filled with guys like this.

Later, MM'ers.
 
My wife is fit and thin. My junk is the big enough and I drive a little truck. And, congrats to the shooter for making such a fine shot.
 
Let's not pervert the word "poacher". A poacher is someone who destroys wildlife, not someone who saves it.
 
Mtmuley- people like Bruce Babbit who lived on the East Coast decided a species of Wolf that never resided her should be brought in.
Then, they set a number that would be managed at once they met the quota. Now they surpassed that long ago and fought delisting maniacally to preserve every single wolf.
Elk are disappearing along with Deer. I went hunting a few years ago in unit 67 and hunted over 11 miles of steep country. I heard 3 different wolf packs and never saw one muley.
It doesn't make someone a hero but I do understand why so many hunters are sick of the wolves. And if they went out and poached more it would never threaten the wolves - they are too spread out and too smart.
 
I am 100% for shooting wolves, but that doesn't mean that this was ok in the park that the liberals are fighting tooth and nail to make a wolf sanctuary and nothing more. In actuality that's what they want with all of the western states. We just barely get the go ahead to manage our damn wolves and someone pulls this stunt inside Yellowstone. This is just giving the liberals more reason to fight us harder and more dirt against us. Now they can't even protect the protected wolves in their eyes and all wolves are in danger of "hunters". This poaching may save 30 elk or even 100 elk, but in all likelihood it will save a few wolves too. Our ongoing fight to keep the wolves under our management is something we will have to deal with for decades to come and this will do nothing but make it harder to keep the management in our hands. If this was done outside the park even when it was still illegal, it wouldn't have caused near the stink this will.
 
They said it could have been shot outside of the park and a month ago so how do we know it was shot inside yellowstone. Until some facts are proven no the wolf was not shot in the park. Now i'm not sure on the wolf season dates since I do not live in an area where wolves are hunted. So I don't know if it was shot out of season. The environmental groups don't know anymore than I do about this thing even though they are calling for death to the person and hunters in general who may or may not have illegally shot a wolf.
 
+1, Elkrazy.

I'm not a wolf fan, either. Canadian grey wolves in the lower 48 was a political decision much more so than a biological one.

I won't miss that freakin' wolf.

But the guy/guys that did this are stupid idiots.

Don't let the door hit ya in the a$$, huntin30inchers. Your comments were way out of line.
 
I'll put on my TriState boots

Elkrary01, and others who live to revel in the stupidity they claim they see in most other hunters/sportsmen.

Here are some points of interest, I won't say facts, because none of us, the stupid ones, or the enlightened and noble ones, know many facts, based on the news reports we've all read:

We don't know where this wolf was shot.

We've been told some hikers found it alive, inside and near the northern border of Yellowstone National Park.

It was killed by Park officials.

We don't know if was inside or outside the Park, when it was shot.

We don't know if was killing life stock when it was shot, if it was shot outside the Park

We don't know how far it travelled after it was wounded.

We don't know if was wounded/shot six months ago or six minutes, before it was found.

We don't know if was shot, legally or illegally.

We know Park officials are treating the shooting as a crime, but they don't yet know if it was a crime or not.

Park Officials claim they know the wolf was killed illegally because of the necropsy.

A necropsy is a surgical examination of a dead body, most commonly a dead animal, in order to learn why the animal died. A more common word for necropsy is autopsy. Either way, it's the dissection of a corpse performed to learn something about the cause of death or about a particular disease.

There is no way a necropsy can determine where this wolf was shot, nor if it was shot in the Park or in Montana, a few miles north of the Wyoming border, in Yellowstone, where it was found alive.

Literally, and technically, what killed this wolf was whatever the Park service used to euthanized it. Who wounded it, where it was wounded, or why it was shot, with a bullet, is unknown, at this time.

I don't know when it's legal to kill wolves in Montana, but it may have been shot, wounded and escaped, and returned to the Park, from Montana, hours, days, weeks or months ago.

We know park officials say they are concerned about the renewed hunting of wolves in Wyoming,

We know hunting wolves, even outside the park, conflicts with Yellowstone?s mission to protect the animals for study and for people to view. Wolves in the park have little fear of humans, and once they wander beyond the boundary can be easily taken by hunters.

We stupid ones, believe, based on past misinformation and propaganda used by those who support and want wolves in the lower 48 States, are not above using the death of this wolf to leverage against legally killing wolves, any where, for any reason.

So............ pardon me, or some of the rest of us, stupid folks, for finding some good that comes out of the Park Service killing this wolf.

When more facts come to light, my stupid remarks may change, until then, I'm glad for who ever shot this predatory. I hope whoever it was did it within the law. But I doubt, if he did shoot it, with in the law, we'll ever hear any of you express your sorry at your rush to judgement.

P.S. As a point of clarification. I was against introducing wolves into Yellowstone, I still believe they have no place in Yellowstone, nor in any State, in the lower 48. We can't keep them from harming livestock or wildlife (that we pay for and grow like anyone that grows beef and mutton. Remember, there were 72 elk left in Yellowstone at one time, every elk in every State in the U.S. is because sportsmen bought, paid for, and maintain them, as surely as rancher/farmers do livestock. So just because they run wild, does not mean we have any less right to keep wolfs from killing and eat "OUR" big game.)

If it were up to me, I'd euthanize every single wolf south of the 49th Parrellel, including those in Yellowstone or any other Park.

DC
 
Well said lumpy.

Folks,

Remember a few weeks ago I believe it was where someone posted about a new wolf loving group pushing to put wolves in Colorado. Well I took their survey and basically my answers were hell no don't move wolves to Colorado or any other state. Let me tell you how dumb the wolf lovers are they send me emails all the time wanting me to donate to what they think is such a great cause. Don't think this story isn't being used for a political motive for a second. Cause I can totally see through the bullsh!t on this one they are going to try to use wyoming hunting wolves as one of those "see were running out of wolves because hunting in Wyo,ID, and Montana." One of those save the wolf agendas and then people who do not or will never deal with wolves will be deciding how we manage our game herds even more. I don't want to reason with these people one bit they are vermin just like the wolf they worship. I think we need to get a group together and pull some funding throughout the west to crush these liberal idiots agendas on how we manage our game. And one that people see where the funds are going so it stays honest and we defeat these pukes on the left. I'm so sick of hearing how wolves and grizzly bears need to be protected. And no don't ever bring grizzlies down here to tardville either there will be 10 attacks in the first 30 days because people will be trying to snap a selfie with a bear.
 
If this wolf was shot outside Yellowstone and made it back into Yellowstone, that's a whole different story. The sportsman who shot it should of made a better shot but we all know that isn't always possible. If the wolf was shot outside of Yellowstone then good for the hunter and animals surrounding. Although if that's the case it really sucks that it made its way to Yellowstone because now its nothing but a political nightmare. The chances are slim but anything is possible.

Lumpy sorry I missed the point that never said exactly where it was shot. This article implies heavily in my opinion that it was shot within the park but its nothing more than an implication. It easily could be a media manipulation that we've heard so much about lately. Either way we will never know because nobody will fess up and nobody will ever be caught in this single strange case. I hope and pray this doesn't hurt our right to manage wolves in the future, but I seriously doubt that even if this was 100% legal. This was a well known Yellowstone wolf that many people loved and sought photos of apparently. That's gonna tick some people off. Just adds to this whole mess. But in reality this is probably a random wolf that someone wounded that no one has ever seen before. Either way, the wolf lovers will say it was the most beautiful and photogenic and oldest and perfect and and and. Just like the rancher who always says it was their prize bull that was killed.
 
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I Asked 'Who' Shot it?







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If I find out who, I'm not sure I could tell ya BC, cuz then I'd have to kill ya! :D Sick cliche?

Discharging a fire arm, inside of YNP would be risky x risky to the tenth power. Discharging a fire arm, inside of YNP, and hitting a moose, bison, elk, deer, black bear, or a cutthroat would be risky x risky to the one hundredth power.

Discharging a fire arm, inside of YNP, and hitting a wolf would be risky x risky to a power "beyond definition"!

If we're all going to speculate, I doubt they will actually put much effort into identify who, where, or why. There is more propaganda value in leaving it as a dirty rotten murderous gun murder, that shot down the beautiful lovable Mrs. White.......................that 99% of us will never see anyway. (I think someone said us stupid folks never see the wolves we scared of.) Not to contradict, but somebody saw this one...........

DC
 
>
>
>>Jim are you related to Donny
>>Baker???
>
>No, I am not. Are you
>related to Bringem Young

Bringem no,,, and not even Brigham...
 
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An anonymous source just reported to the Post that a 300RUM casing was found by Jim comey just inside the park boundry. And that the spent case may have ties to Utah..
 
>An anonymous source just reported to
>the Post that a 300RUM
>casing was found by Jim
>comey just inside the park
>boundry. And that the spent
>case may have ties to
>Utah..


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>the Post that a 300RUM
>casing was found by Jim
>comey just inside the park
>boundry. And that the spent
>case may have ties to
>Utah..


If it was gut shot, that narrows it down even further. :D:D Just razzin you Bbop!

Personally, I'm okay with wolves in YNP. If they want to turn the clock back to 1800 and let nature take its course, go for it. Have a totally pristine natural environment. Before man, wolves played a part in a healthy balanced ecosystem. Put a fence around it and let it go. Expand the fence to even include the migration paths of the elk/deer. When the prey species get nearly wiped out, let the wolves starve to death, allowing the prey to come back. Around and around you go just like nature intended.
 
I think the wolf was shot by a tree hugging wolf lover. Because if a hunter/poacher shot it would have been dead. Why wouldn't the sacrifice the Queen of all wolf Queens in the name of saving wolves and getting them back on the list.


2Lumpy here is the ones we saw. Not to scared of them. Maybe I should have been. Read some of the comments they are great.

DZ
 
Ha, since we are speculating here,
My guess is the wolf was in mid Montana, was eating a rabbit and a wolf lover got so offended that the wolf could eat something so beautiful that he decided to shoot his 22 pistol that he carries for self defense(this guy is obviously a white guy from Chicago) to scare it off. The bullet proceeded to ricochet off of 7 different rocks then went through the rabbit, ricocheted off its skull and went into the wolf's side. After shot the wolf proceeded to run full speed for 200 miles down to the park because he knew he would be safe there. He ran so fast he made it overnight. He was so tired that he fell asleep and woke up to people poking him with needles. So the wolf wasn't dying after all, he was just tired.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-17-17 AT 05:58PM (MST)[p]I'm at a lost for words, DZ, so far as responding to the comments made by the folks that watched your video. It's rare, but you can leave me speechless, if you try hard enough. They did.

Regarding your video. What a thrill DZ. You don't get those experiences setting home on the couch, watching Steph Curry drop three's.

However........ cool as wolves are, and they are, I don't believe we can tolerate wolves in the lower 48, and not because they've eaten or bite anybody.

Hell, we have spiders, bats, snakes, ants, ticks, wasps, bears, cougars, along with house cats and dogs, that attack people and do way more harm than any wolf or pack of wolves I've ever heard of has done, as least in number of incidents, now or in the past.

My concerns for wolf and human encounters are the least of my worries or concerns.

We can't control the predators we already have, why in hell would be want another eating machine to deal with, when it comes to big game. If anyone has noticed, we don't have enough big game to go around as it is.

As far as I'm concerned, get'tem out, and keep'em out. Period. I want not compromise on it. Keep them in Canada and Alaska, where they've done very well, for the last 100 years. Too well, or so I'm told by the folks who live with them every day.

If people want to see and hear them, go north, it's no more expensive than coming west. Beside, you can go for a dog sled ride, see a glazier, watch the caribou, see the northern lights, see a wolverine, have 22 hours of sunlight, check out a polar bear, watch brown bear catch salmon, pan for gold, hike the Klondike, float the Yukon, watch for Muskox, fish for halibut, meet some really nice Eskimo hunters, watch whales, walrus and seals.

You can't do any of that in Yellowstone, so if your so damn giddy about seeing wolves, go to them and enjoy an ecosystem that can support them, and don't be inviting them to live off my elk, moose and mule deer herds, thanks.

DC
 
>It would have been dead if
>sheperdmagnet shot it he'd call
>it dogpound #3 for the
>title. HAHAHA

I'd like to kick that kid in the nuts.
Not only did he shoot those dogs but he also made me want to change my handle.

#notmyflattey
Justin
 
>I'd like to kick that kid in the nuts.
>Not only did he shoot those dogs but he also made me want to change >my handle.

>#notmyflattey
>Justin

Haha that makes 2 of us that'd like to kick him in the sack. He is a real piece of work that guy. Nice hashtag.
 
>LAST EDITED ON May-17-17
>AT 05:58?PM (MST)
>
>I'm at a lost for words,
>DZ, so far as responding
>to the comments made by
>the folks that watched your
>video. It's rare, but
>you can leave me speechless,
>if you try hard enough.
> They did.
>
>Regarding your video. What a
>thrill DZ. You don't
>get those experiences setting home
>on the couch, watching Steph
>Curry drop three's.
>
>However........ cool as wolves are, and
>they are, I don't believe
>we can tolerate wolves in
>the lower 48, and not
>because they've eaten or bite
>anybody.
>
>Hell, we have spiders, bats, snakes,
>ants, ticks, wasps, bears, cougars,
>along with house cats and
>dogs, that attack people and
>do way more harm than
>any wolf or pack of
>wolves I've ever heard of
>has done, as least in
>number of incidents, now or
>in the past.
>
>My concerns for wolf and human
>encounters are the least of
>my worries or concerns.
>
>We can't control the predators we
>already have, why in hell
>would be want another eating
>machine to deal with, when
>it comes to big game.
> If anyone has noticed,
>we don't have enough big
>game to go around as
>it is.
>
>As far as I'm concerned, get'tem
>out, and keep'em out.
>Period. I want not
>compromise on it. Keep
>them in Canada and Alaska,
>where they've done very well,
>for the last 100 years.
> Too well, or so
>I'm told by the folks
>who live with them every
>day.
>
>If people want to see and
>hear them, go north, it's
>no more expensive than coming
>west. Beside, you can
>go for a dog sled
>ride, see a glazier, watch
>the caribou, see the northern
>lights, see a wolverine, have
>22 hours of sunlight, check
>out a polar bear, watch
>brown bear catch salmon, pan
>for gold, hike the Klondike,
>float the Yukon, watch for
>Muskox, fish for halibut, meet
>some really nice Eskimo hunters,
>watch whales, walrus and seals.
>
>
>You can't do any of that
>in Yellowstone, so if your
>so damn giddy about seeing
>wolves, go to them and
>enjoy an ecosystem that can
>support them, and don't be
>inviting them to live off
>my elk, moose and mule
>deer herds, thanks.
>
>DC

Lot's of people spend money to hunt Alaska and Canada for Trophy big game animals. How is that possible if they allow wolves to thrive up there?

I really don't give a crap if they got rid of wolves or not I was fine before wolves were returned to Yellowstone and fine after. Every hunting district in Montana almost is over objective for elk populations. Wolves have not reduced over all harvest of elk or deer in the states around where they were released.

http://billingsgazette.com/lifestyl...cle_d08059bc-e947-52ed-90a0-5149d38a4cd9.html

Wyoming elk are either near, at or over objective for almost all areas.

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/Hunting/Wyoming-Hunting-Forecast

Idaho has record deer harvest and high elk harvest still

https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/record-year-for-idaho-hunters-in-2015#gs.t9xXzCo

Like I said I don't love wolves, didn't support their reintroduction and don't care if the were removed but to make blanket statements that are easily debunked is kind of short of facts and long guesses.

Nemont
 
264 asked me to post this picture for him, think it was shot in Alaska some years ago by one MM'er.

72584hhandwolf.jpg


Brian
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NeMont I think the point is, if it weren't for wolves, how many more tags could be issued for hunters? Over objective should mean a hey day for tag numbers and maybe even a drop in fees to sell those tags. (that's a pipe dream, I know) Sportsmen and women spend big dollars to increase opportunity to hunt, not feed wolves.
 
>NeMont I think the point is,
>if it weren't for wolves,
>how many more tags could
>be issued for hunters? Over
>objective should mean a hey
>day for tag numbers and
>maybe even a drop in
>fees to sell those tags.
>(that's a pipe dream, I
>know) Sportsmen and women spend
>big dollars to increase opportunity
>to hunt, not feed wolves.
>

So the same people who whine about all the competition on the Mountain are also want more people out there? If there is a record harvest, how many more tags are you going sell? It is a fact that the elk herds in Montana are over objective. Mule deer are hurting all over the state, not just where wolves are. One bad winter in 2010 reduced our opportunity more than any pack of wolves has.

It is a little more complicated then, "wolves bad". We have the chance to hunt wolves now in Montana, is that a win or a lose for hunters?

Like I said I give $hyt one way or the other, just don't tell me wolves have killed every big game animal there is when there are record numbers of critters being killed in all the states surrounding Yellowstone. As for lower prices on tags? When has that ever been a supply and demand issue? Here they are set by the legislature. Can you name a politician who can get the pricing right on anything?

As to the OP. I was just in Yellowstone on May 8th and there were wolves feeding on an elk carcass, I didn't shoot at them but then again there were about 50 cars parked along the road with taking pictures. There were also many, many other critters wondering around to see.



Nemont
 
Nemont, I know I'm in the minority around here. I'm used to that. It bothers me not in the least, unless it's someone I have great respect for. There are some.

eel understands my point of view. Not sure if it's his point of view or not but he identified the position I have on wolves.

You and I will just get into "two dogs" chasing our tails, if we both start playing devils advocate. So, I'll respond once and let you do the same, then I'll leave it alone, rather than argue for the sake of arguing. We each have opinions, you're certainly entitled to yours, as is everyone else.

Alaska and Canada have vast, not just big, but vast expanses of land that are unoccupied by humans, where natural selection has at least some opportunity to function, as it did prior to the settlement of the lower 48. So, if there is any place where free ranging wolves can live, without negative impact on human activities, such as domestic livestock and sport hunting big game herds, Alaska and Canada would be the last two places in North America.

Having said that, even as vast as Alaska and Canada are, they too have had wolf/big game, over predation, issues.

There is no wilderness area and no national park area in the lower 48 where free ranging wolves will not be a constant problem with big game animal populations, Including Yellowstone, Frank Church, or the Selway-Bitterroot. Wolves need meat to live. Lots of meat, and lots of wolves need lots of meat.

Some sportsmen, who work to make sure big game herds are large and have great surplus, for sport hunting, do not want to share their herds with predators. We didn't put them there and we don't keep them there..........to feed predators. We put and keep them there to hunt. I'm one of those sportsmen. I don't want big game for the viewing aspect of big game, I want big game to hunt. I can view animals at the zoo, if all I care about is "seeing" them.

I donate to Ducks Unlimited for the same reason. I want to hunt water fowl, if I just wanted to see ducks, I'd raise some in my yard.

If we have big game herds that are over objective, we should be doing one of two things, raise the objective, if the habitat is available, or issue more hunting permits, if they don't sell, drop the price and/or raise the number of tags each hunter can purchase. Humans raise big game for hunting, hunters can remove it, with the stroke of a pen. We don't need to put another predator into the population, humans can and should be taking care of "their" big game herds, not anti-hunters with "their" wolves.

Regarding lot's of people hunting Alaska, for trophy animals, and "they" still allow wolves there. Not everyone in Alaska, including the indigenous people agree with the number of wolves "they" allow there. And, depending what "a lot of people" that hunt in Alaska means, some might contend with your, "a lot", means.

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In 2016, Alaska sold 25,429 total big game licenses, including all caribou, moose, sheep, etc. to hunt an area nearly 20% of the size of the lower 48 combined.

Idaho, alone, sold over 157,000 deer tags alone, in 2015. Alaska is nearly ten times larger than Idaho, and much more remote/uninhabitited. Wolves and their prey species have a much better environment to co-habitate in Alaska than any area does in the lower 48, and we haven't even considered the size of contiguous relationship with British Columbia, that has an open, unimpeded, border next to every mile of Alaska's southern border.

So......... if I've misrepresented the facts, I apologize. It isn't my intention.

Let me simplify my position, regarding wolves and big game hunting in the lower 48, there are but few facts in this statement.

I don't dislike wolves. They are magnificent wild animals.
Wolves must eat meat to live.
Wolves eat what ever meat is the easiest to get.
Wolves eat big game animals.
I don't want to share "sports hunting big game animals" with wolves, in the lower 48 States.
I didn't want them 30 years ago and I don't want them now.
I will continue to do what I can to remove them, legally, from the lower 48.
For me........ it is as simple as that.

DC
 
>264 asked me to post this
>picture for him, think it
>was shot in Alaska some
>years ago by one MM'er.
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>Brian
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That's HH Right there!









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>are the real deal.
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>exploited, a lot.
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>DC

Been a while since I've logged in. Is ole HH gone from the site these days?


As for the post, the only good wolf is a dead one. Hope whoever it was shot a bunch more than just that one.




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I have to agree with 2lumpy. They are cool animals, but just not cool for the lower 48. Why not leave them be, where they can just be wolves, and co-exist with the prey there in Alaska and Canada?
a*r
 
Politics, boys! That's the name of the game on the wolf issue. It's called the Endangered Species Act. And wolves are endangered....right??
 
2Lumpy,

I have no love for wolves either. Here is the problem. It would take a political solution to end wolves now in the lower 48. If harvest records and game populations are over the objective in many units in the States where wolves are present you don't have a political winner of an issue.

I like large game populations and give money to organizations as. I just think the approach the wolf haters take is self defeating and ultimately won't bring an end to wolves. They will show up in other states like Utah and Colorado and SSS program will get them all.

Nemont
 
I think SSS is unrealistic. Wolves are too cunning and elusive and nocturnal. You could never diminish the population at random. Wolves are here to stay and expand.

I grew up in rural northern California where there are a lot of small ranches. Back in the sixties and seventies the hippies moved in and started growing pot. They all had dogs that they let run loose and dogs became a big problem. They still are to a degree, but it's much better. They kill sheep and calves and chase deer. Hunters grew to hate them and so did the ranchers. I just can't imagine intentionally bringing in packs of 85-100 lb. wild dogs and turning them lose. I see no redeeming value in that. And yet California just adopted an official Wolf Management plan that calls for their full protection.

I honestly believe that a lot of wolf lovers just have a deep seated hatred for society in general.
 
>I think SSS is unrealistic. Wolves
>are too cunning and elusive
>and nocturnal. You could never
>diminish the population at random.
>Wolves are here to stay
>and expand.
>
>I grew up in rural northern
>California where there are a
>lot of small ranches. Back
>in the sixties and seventies
>the hippies moved in and
>started growing pot. They all
>had dogs that they let
>run loose and dogs became
>a big problem. They still
>are to a degree, but
>it's much better. They kill
>sheep and calves and chase
>deer. Hunters grew to hate
>them and so did the
>ranchers. I just can't imagine
>intentionally bringing in packs of
>85-100 lb. wild dogs and
>turning them lose. I see
>no redeeming value in that.
>And yet California just adopted
>an official Wolf Management plan
>that calls for their full
>protection.
>
>I honestly believe that a lot
>of wolf lovers just have
>a deep seated hatred for
>society in general.


You're Partially Right there Eel!

They won't Survive in TARDville though!

TARDS Have Shot/Trapped nearly every Wolf that has Showed up here!

You can See from the Posts above TARDS Will Shoot them on Sight no matter the Laws!

Be like the Wolves they Planted in Arizona!

Every one of them got Shot!












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>way to shoot them all.
>You'll see. mtmuley


Hey mt!

You're Right!

We TARDS have a tough time Deciphering rather they are Coyotes or BIG Coyotes!:D

So mt?

You didn't hear about all the Plants in Arizona getting Shot?









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>To many of you, not all,
>but many; You are uneducated,
>ignorant pieces of #####. I
>would be willing to bet
>that all of the guys
>on this post praising a
>POACHER have big trucks and
>little dicks, a fat wife
>and job that will be
>replaced with an illegal in
>short order. And you know
>what, you deserve it all.
>
>
>This used to be a cool
>forum, there used to be
>people with valid points and
>cool pictures. Its no wonder
>that all the guys that
>actually put in work and
>actually find trophy animals don't
>come here anymore, because it
>is filled with guys like
>this.
>
>Later, MM'ers.


Are you one of the undercover pro wolf movement people or something??? Apparently we arent are all on the same team when it comes to wolves. How can you not be somewhat infuriated with the destruction that wolves have done to once strong elk, moose and deer herds?? You wouldn't bat an eye about someone gut punching a fawn killing coyote would you? Wolves are nothing more than a liberal driven agenda to rid us of our hunting heritage.

Coloradoboy
 
>>Good luck with that Bess. No
>>way to shoot them all.
>>You'll see. mtmuley
>
>
> Hey mt!
>
>You're Right!
>
>We TARDS have a tough time
>Deciphering rather they are Coyotes
>or BIG Coyotes!:D
>
>So mt?
>
>You didn't hear about all the
>Plants in Arizona getting Shot?
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I think youre on to something. The tards will definitely do their part on putting the hurting on them. Thus moving them east to the liberal safe haven, elk infested republic of calirado.

Coloradoboy
 
>>>Good luck with that Bess. No
>>>way to shoot them all.
>>>You'll see. mtmuley
>>
>>
>> Hey mt!
>>
>>You're Right!
>>
>>We TARDS have a tough time
>>Deciphering rather they are Coyotes
>>or BIG Coyotes!:D
>>
>>So mt?
>>
>>You didn't hear about all the
>>Plants in Arizona getting Shot?
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>I think youre on to something.
>The tards will definitely do
>their part on putting the
>hurting on them. Thus moving
>them east to the liberal
>safe haven, elk infested republic
>of calirado.
>
>Coloradoboy

A Few years Back!

A Wolf made a Mad Dash through NE TARDville and then in to Calirado!

Must Not Of liked Calirado?

On the way back through TARDville Somebody Shot the BIG Coyote!

Granted!

We Don't Have alot of Wolves!

And We Never Will!








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