SITLA Becoming CWMU?

This is a terrible situation but it is inevitable. SITLA has a mandatory obligation to maximize revenues from these lands for public education. Unfortunately, hunting in Utah has become so commercialized that this will continue to be a problem. People like to talk about how the CWMU program opens up access for sportsmen. But in reality, the program has financially incentivized landowners to shut down access, lease hunting rights and provide guaranteed high dollar tags to wealthy sportsmen. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and they will strike a deal in the short-term but this problem resurface again in a few years.

-Hawkeye-
 
Hawkeye....
Couldn't have said it better myself. The CWMU program has been the worst idea and this just puts and exclamation point on the end.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-21-17 AT 01:32AM (MST)[p]The worst idea is not the CWMU. The worst idea ever born and propagated out of Utah is the idea that we should transfer federal public lands into the hands of all these individuals who have decided auctioning things off to the highest bidder is always the best possible answer. The worst thing you could do is grant a state like Utah millions of acres of BLM and Forest Service land and let them do more of this with it.

Oh but wait....they would never do that right? Except for they're doing it right in plain site.

Remember when Grand Staircase or Bears Ears was closed to hunting? Threatened to be closed to hunting? Or access to those monuments was auctioned off to the highest bidder? Me neither but that's something to get up in arms about.

Yet right here SITLA basically threatens to stop public access and sale it to the highest bidder and I'm sure politics as usual, the monuments that allow hunting and access are much bigger demons than the state who wants to cut you out and auction access and hunting rights to the highest bidder.

I know I know shhhhh the state would never lock you out......except for the plain fact that they absoulty would. Maybe it's time this does happen and all SITLA lands go closed to hunting, recreation and access to give people a taste of state managment. Maybe then it won't always be the damn Feds and we can focus on the people truly screwing us.
 
This sucks for you guys but for the rest of us, it is a gift. Why? Because it shows what really happens to state owned land. I can say all day long this will happen if public lands are transferred to states but without specific examples it doesn't hit home. Here Utah, the center of all things land transfer, is doing exactly what they say they won't. A gift all wrapped up with a pretty bow. I'm sorry guys.
 
Griz, where are you getting your info. about 33 percent of all private property in Utah was once sitla controlled land?
 
Good question... I found all the numbers and did the math backwards. But since I'm on my phone and that would be tedious, here's a link from a 2008 study. It's nearly 10 years old, but you get the picture.


---Private lands comprise over 11.4 million acres of land. This equates to 21.1 percent of the land area. The majority of private lands in Utah are located in northern and central Utah in the fertile valleys and upland benches. Although early federal legislation played an integral role in defining the patterns and distribution of private land in the state, the transfer of state trust land has also contributed to private ownership patterns. In fact, approximately 30 percent of all private lands in Utah were originally state trust lands (SITLA, 2008a).---

http://extension.usu.edu/utahrangelands/files/uploads/RRU_Section_Two.pdf

Grizzly
 
One more thing, I said in my original post that SITLA contributed 1% of funding for schools.

The real number is $49 million, which is actually .9% of the budget (Utah School Spending Report: Fiscal Year 2013-2014)

Grizzly
 
I thought I read somewhere that about 10% of State lands were set aside for school trust lands to be sold or leased out to make money for the schools.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-21-17 AT 03:04PM (MST)[p]>I thought I read somewhere that
>about 10% of State lands
> were set aside for
>school trust lands to be
>sold or leased out to
>make money for the schools.
>

There's a lot of good info about how different sections were granted as trust land for schools, its all over the place online.

The main thing to understand is the propensity for the land to be sold, the fact that state trust land is specifically exempted from the definition of "public land" according to Utah law, and how little money actually goes to schools from trust land.

Then remember that the land grabbers keep saying we need to seize public land "for the kids" and education. Its a flat out lie, the point of the land grab is not to raise money for education (as can be seen by the stats), but to find ways to sell public land to private developers who are already giving millions to politicians that push their agenda. All these Republican policies affecting public land use are interconnected with one common theme, which Herbert promoted as "the commercial development" of public land.

EDIT: The article I linked in Post 7 has great information about SITLA, their origination and practices.

Grizzly
 
I don't think it's a "flat out lie" but definitely stretching the truth.
If some lands that are in residential or commercial areas are sold and a tax base is created. Then percentage of those taxes could be used towards the schools in that county.
 
"Maybe it's time this does happen and all SITLA lands go closed to hunting, recreation and access to give people a taste of state managment. Maybe then it won't always be the damn Feds and we can focus on the people truly screwing us."

I'm thinking this is the only way to get people to pull their heads out of their asses.
 
Similar situation happened in New Mexico with the state lands wanting more money. In the end it was worked out so it can still be hunted, But that would stink to lose access to so much land.
 
I've posted this before, but the relationship between SITLA land and the land grab justifies a reminder...

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HB0407 2017 Utah Public Lands Management Act

63L-8-204. Exchanges and sales.
(1) (a) It is the policy of this state that exchanges of public land are preferred to any sale of public land, and that when pursuing an exchange, an exchange with the School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration is preferred to an exchange with any other party.

And then take a look at the ramifications of transferring that land to SITLA

"Public land" means any land or land interest:
(a) acquired by the state from the federal government pursuant to Section 63L-6-103, except:
(i) areas subsequently designated as a protected wilderness area, as described in Title 63L, Chapter 7, Utah Wilderness Act; and
(ii) lands managed by the School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration

This land grab law, signed by Governor Herbert a few months ago, seeks to transfer Federal Land to SITLA, where it will no longer be considered "public land". SITLA also openly seeks to convert their land to a CWMU, which certainly does not help the public land hunter.

And the funny thing about this law is that it was actually emailed to me by an SFW-supporter as proof that the land grab won't hurt hunters and part of the reason that SFW won't oppose the land grab and the attempted transfer of public lands to the State.

This bill was sponsored by Mike Noel, who also happened to be the person named in this article (http://www.sltrib.com/news/4936797-1...-local-control) as attempting to give $2,000,000 to SFW-offshoot Big Game Forever."
 

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