"Long Range Harvesting"
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elkassassin
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LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-17 AT 09:28PM (MST)[p]
Sorry Guys!
Damn 'LUMPY NOVELS' Take a While to Delete/EDIT!
RAZZIN Ya Lumpy!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
Sorry Guys!
Damn 'LUMPY NOVELS' Take a While to Delete/EDIT!
RAZZIN Ya Lumpy!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
tx_packmule
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Yes..
*disclaimer (bc it wasn't covered in OPs criteria): if not done for any sort of perceived bragging rights. Our hunting is a little different though and you don't purposely say you want to kill something in the next county....but when you lay eyes on an animal you've been hunting for years, you'd better be able to kill it.
*disclaimer (bc it wasn't covered in OPs criteria): if not done for any sort of perceived bragging rights. Our hunting is a little different though and you don't purposely say you want to kill something in the next county....but when you lay eyes on an animal you've been hunting for years, you'd better be able to kill it.
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To some jackass' 50 yards with a rifle should be considered long range.
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>I'll Try & Make it Short:
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>Lmao!
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>2. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17 AT 02:09
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>Wow.....Dr. Seuss the taxidermy man. Work
>must be pretty slow in
>Texas these days.
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>Hypothetically speaking of course.
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>Jul-08-17, 02:31 PM (MST)
>3. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wow even his son is unethical,
>hypothetically speaking of course.
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>4. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>The hunters from Louisiana?
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>5. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>seeing your from Texas.... just call
>a biologist/volunteer at a division
>office/ or anybody that answers
>the phone in another area
>or even a different state,hell
>just call the gas station
>next to the office and
>they will make it all
>legal for you, I guess
>you just shot a "bonus"
>cow. hell you might just
>get a medal for helping
>get the bull to cow
>ratio closer to objectives
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>6. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>It is apparently too late to
>teach ethics so maybe teach
>Son how to shoot before
>going on hunt?
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>7. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17 AT 03:33
>PM (MST)
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>This hypothetical hunt is obviously in
>reference to the poaching conviction
>of Bill Busbice. Why doesn't
>it surprise me that Trollstate
>is on his side on
>that one just like every
>other incident of poaching or
>law violations discussed on this
>site!!! What a douche!
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>10. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17
>>AT 03:33 PM (MST)
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>>This hypothetical hunt is obviously in
>>reference to the poaching conviction
>>of Bill Busbice. Why
>>doesn't it surprise me that
>>Trollstate is on his side
>>on that one just like
>>every other incident of poaching
>>or law violations discussed on
>>this site!!! What a
>>douche!
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>Thick as thieves.
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>8. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>WWTD. (What would tristate do)?
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>YALL
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>Jul-08-17, 03:49 PM (MST)
>9. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Might as well tell him to
>shoot it. A guy with
>a backhoe can get rid
>of that cow pretty quick.
>Keep the ratio intact.
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>11. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Something tells me there's a debate
>coming.
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>12. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Couldn't let your post that got
>deleated on wildgame nation poachers
>die.Had to resurrect in a
>new thread.sigh.
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>Tell your son to do what
>any ethical hunter would do.1
>cow down,Bull still walking.Stay shooting.If
>he drops 5 more cows
>shoot till that bull is
>down.
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>Game and fish should understand the
>cows kept walking in the
>line of fire.If not will
>be hard to prove you
>guilty in court.
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>13. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Hide/Throw The Extras in the F'N
>Ditch & Hope Them Other
>2 Hunters just on the
>other Side of the Fence
>don't Turn Your Ass in!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>15. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Let Me Just Say This:
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>Jr would be in More trouble
>with Me than the Game
>Warden!
>
>He's Been Taught & Knows Better!
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>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>14. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>My favorite line from tristate's hypothetical
>masterpiece: "Oh no a cow
>elk's head explodes and she
>falls dead."
>
>In the waterfowl world, we call
>this flock shooting. Just keep
>shooting until you get the
>one you want.
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>-Hawkeye-
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>16. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>No debate yet. Nobody has told
>the truth.
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>17. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>No debate yet. Nobody has
>>told the truth.
>
>Do you tell your son to
>shoot the bull?
>
>If You Know for Sure the
>Bull Has Been Hit!
>
>Then Yes!
>
>You Don't Leave any Animal To
>Suffer!
>
>Then You'd Best Get the DWR
>There Before Somebody Else Gets
>them there for you!
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>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>elkassassin (15414 posts) Click to
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>Jul-08-17, 06:09 PM (MST)
>18. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>AKA:
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>Somebody's Got Some SPLAININ to do!
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>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>19. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Elkassassin,
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>You never know the bull is
>hit until you can put
>your hands on him.
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>Jul-08-17, 06:29 PM (MST)
>20. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Elkassassin,
>>
>>You never know the bull is
>>hit until you can put
>>your hands on him.
>
>You/The Dad Seen Him Flinch &
>Limp away!
>
>He's F'N Hit!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>21. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Elkassassin,
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>No matter what the bull did,
>once you pull the trigger
>they are always hit.
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>23. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Elkassassin,
>>
>>No matter what the bull did,
>>once you pull the trigger
>>they are always hit.
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>You are so full of crappola
>I'm surprised you haven't choked
>to death by now, LOL!
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>22. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Hey TRI!
>
>Been a While Since You've Stirred
>it Up!
>
>WTH?
>
>OK!
>
>See If This Answer Satisfies You:
>
>
>Hold it Son!
>
>Don't Shoot!
>
>Don't Shoot again!
>
>The Bull Limps Off with Two
>Bullets in Him!
>
>But it's OK,Right?
>
>It's Just a Bull!
>
>You Walk Down to the Cow
>With No Head!
>
>Jr Gets His F'N Coveted LE
>Bull Tag Out that Took
>Him 20+ GAWD-DAMNED Years to
>Pull & Spent 50+K getting
>ready for this Hunt &
>BY GAWD on Closer Inspection
>there is a Notch with
>a M and there is
>also an F on the
>Tag/Permit So You've Got it
>covered,TAG the F'N Cow &
>Get off the Mountain!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>Jul-08-17, 07:03 PM (MST)
>24. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>So assassin, I am liking your
>honesty. You are saying you
>think the right thing to
>do is consciously make the
>decision to let a wounded
>animal suffer to death and
>waste him so no human
>can utilize the meat.
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>Jul-08-17, 07:11 PM (MST)
>25. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>So assassin, I am liking your
>>honesty. You are saying
>>you think the right thing
>>to do is consciously make
>>the decision to let a
>>wounded animal suffer to death
>>and waste him so no
>>human can utilize the meat.
>>
>
>
>Not Sayin that at all!
>
>Read My Earlier Posts!
>
>When I Did Say it I
>Was Just Bein SMART!
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>Jul-08-17, 07:12 PM (MST)
>26. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Just Trying to Find An Answer
>Somebody Wants!
>
>That's All!
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>27. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Easy Elk, he is dragging you
>in.
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>28. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Deepcolor,
>
>I can respect Elk's posts. I
>could respect tour's to if
>you answered the question.
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>29. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Nope, I don't give a #####
>if you respect me or
>not.
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>30. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>http://tri-statetaxidermy.com/about_tri-state-taxidermy.htm
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>Ben,You're kind of a pudge
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>31. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>The West ain't Texas.We cant just
>order up more animals.Get it
>thru your short azz thick
>skull.
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>32. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>This is obviously a far fetched
>fake news story, because aint
>no way Tristate could have
>a family or son that
>could put up with him.
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>33. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri your son should learn how
>to shoot! Just sayin. Maybe
>it's not his fault and
>you should teach him better.
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>34. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri..honest question...u ever get tired of
>playn the skin flute????
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>35. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I'd go and look for blood
>where the bull was walking.
>I'm not sure if the
>LE tags are good for
>cows so I'm gonna make
>a phone call, after the
>cow is taken care of.
>If I find blood, what
>happens next is up to
>the CO.
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>36. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Come On Tri!
>
>Do You Really Like F'N With
>Us?
>
>It's Not Everybody that Has to
>Put an LE Bull Tag
>on a F'N Cow!
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>37. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wait a minute I figured out
>Tri's problem. He graduated from
>Texas A&M. He a damn
>Aggie. Be easy on him,
>it's not his fault.
>
>Being a Red Raider I have
>dealt with his kind. Lol
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>38. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>So assassin, I am liking your
>>honesty. You are saying
>>you think the right thing
>>to do is consciously make
>>the decision to let a
>>wounded animal suffer to death
>>and waste him so no
>>human can utilize the meat.
>>
>
>Tri, this happens every year, numerous
>times. I have yet to
>see or read, in this
>state, that if you shoot
>and miss a bull, and
>kill a cow, and SELF
>REPORT that you are hit
>for poaching. Your good buddy
>didn't call the CO and
>report himself. I'm assuming in
>your hypothetical that you and
>your boy brought a ranch
>hand with a backhoe with
>you? What meat was utilized
>by your buddy when he
>dug a hole in the
>ground and burried it? Now
>you be honest.
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"
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>39. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I guess it's good to think
>about and talk about ahead
>of time. That way you
>can make sure something like
>that doesn't happen.
>
>Every time you pull the trigger,
>you're responsible for what happens.
>
>
>Or.....you could call someone who has
>a cow tag......
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>40. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>One Thing about it!
>
>The Boy Knows a Taxidermist!
>
>Can You Tell Us what a
>Cow Costs to Have Mounted
>when they Show up with
>an Exploded Head?
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>41. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Great posts Gasman and Eelgrass. It
>is interesting to see so
>many "hunters" are so scared
>of this they can't talk
>about it. I am starting
>to wonder how many posters
>right here are even hunters
>at all.
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>42. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Great posts Gasman and Eelgrass.
>>It is interesting to see
>>so many "hunters" are so
>>scared of this they can't
>>talk about it. I
>>am starting to wonder how
>>many posters right here are
>>even hunters at all.
>
>
>Another stupid post by the Troll!
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>43. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I don't mind the discussion at
>all.
>
>The hypothetical hunt involved a young
>immature hunter. They don't always
>do the right thing in
>the heat of the moment.
>That's a fact of life.
>We'd all like to think
>our kids wouldn't do something
>stupid. It makes me sick
>to think about something like
>that happening though.
>
>"Do you tell your son to
>shoot the bull?"
>
>If I'm positive the bull was
>hit, you have to finish
>the deed and then face
>the music. So, yes.
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>44. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 08:38
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>>I don't mind the discussion at
>>all.
>>
>>The hypothetical hunt involved a young
>>immature hunter. They don't always
>>do the right thing in
>>the heat of the moment.
>>That's a fact of life.
>>We'd all like to think
>>our kids wouldn't do something
>>stupid. It makes me sick
>>to think about something like
>>that happening though.
>>
>>"Do you tell your son to
>>shoot the bull?"
>>
>>If I'm positive the bull was
>>hit, you have to finish
>>the deed and then face
>>the music. So, yes.
>
>
>This "discussion" was strictly taken from
>the poaching violation involving Bill
>Busbice in Wyoming and the
>Troll posted it just like
>many of his other BS
>posts trying to defend a
>poacher and for no other
>reason than to troll the
>site! Think again if you
>think our resident Troll did
>it for any other reason!
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>Jul-09-17, 09:24 AM (MST)
>45. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>This is the most interesting post
>in a while. I am
>trying to look at the
>hypothetical situation as a game
>warden would and should do.
>Experience tells me that as
>the inquiry goes on new
>facts would come out. The
>reason the shooter was standing
>on the roadside was that
>the herd was real close
>to private ground and were
>heading in that direction. The
>hunter had carefully oiled the
>pristine pre 64 model 70
>and had it setting on
>the tailgate on a towel
>as not to scratch the
>Gold inlaid Swaro optic. Laid
>there in a posed position
>for everyone to see.
>What is the difference in #####
>points needed between a resident
>and a non resident troll?
>It is my opinion that
>the Wyoming poacher mentioned should
>pay whatever fines as are
>legal and lose hunting privilages
>for 10 years. His decision
>was to do what was
>necessary to secure the bull
>and then cover up his
>actions. He had time to
>call in the warden and
>chose not too.
>J_T_B
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>Jul-09-17, 09:27 AM (MST)
>46. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>"Do you tell your son to
>shoot the Bull?"
>
>Hell yes! That's not my answer,
>but I think most people,
>if they're honest with themselves
>would do it. That's just
>the way I feel hunting
>is to a lot of
>people. Whatever it takes to
>get the biggest animal down,
>whatever it takes. I think
>afterwards, when they see the
>body count, it's their responsibility
>to use their Dumb Card
>to explain it away. Maybe
>they can use the thinking
>that it will only be
>an over limit of elk
>fine that is only going
>to cost them a few
>hundred dollars. Like I said,
>whatever it takes. It was
>an accident, fuk it. Right?
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>Jul-09-17, 09:43 AM (MST)
>47. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Shoot the bull, take care of
>the cow/bull, call the GW,
>plead your case, face the
>music?
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>48. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wapitiwilly,
>
>That is a great post.
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>Jul-09-17, 11:35 AM (MST)
>52. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri be honest. This scenario happened
>to you sitting in your
>elevated box blind hunting a
>corn feeder on a high
>fence ranch on one of
>your Aggie Alumni buddy's ranches
>he inherited. You were being
>big shots and had one
>too many Shiner Bocks and
>screwed up on a 25
>yard shot. That 338 you
>were shooting was s little
>to much gun and you
>killed 3 does and crippled
>the 16pt buck you were
>after.
>
>Your a tool, but your taxidermy
>work oooks good.
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>62. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Wapitiwilly,
>>
>>That is a great post.
>
>So Tri?
>
>Where Does My Post # 17
>Differ much from Wapitiwilly's Post?
>
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>49. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Shoot the bull, take care of
>>the cow/bull, call the GW,
>>plead your case, face the
>>music?
>
>
>If this is your choice as
>a father and hunter mentor,
>you just turned your son
>into a poacher. In all
>legality, when that cow hits
>the ground, the hunt is
>over. There no longer is
>a valid hunting license to
>shoot the bull, wounded or
>not.
>
>This scenario should be offered as
>a late season cow hunt
>where one cow is killed
>and another wounded. I wonder
>what answer Tri would be
>looking for in that case?
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>50. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I say he turned his son
>into a man who realizes
>his responsibility to the wildlife
>is greater than being a
>subject cowering to the legal
>authority or the internet.
>
>Jm77,
>
>It's a horrible time we live
>in when fear disguised as
>self righteousness will keep you
>from actually doing the right
>thing and accept responsibility for
>those actions.
>
>Easy for you to look down
>your nose and call someone
>a poacher so you don't
>have to admit you could
>be right there making good
>and bad decisions with a
>clock that only has a
>second hand and your wits.
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>51. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 11:33
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>
>I'm with Jm77 on this. The
>hunt was over as soon
>as he killed the cow.
>whether on purpose or accident.
>Including whether the bull was
>hit or not. Critters get
>wounded more often than people
>know and are willing to
>admit. ALot of them still
>live too. Even the professionals,
>best hunters are not perfect
>and could wound an animal.
>It's part of hunting. Although
>ethical hunters try everything in
>their power to avoid it.
>
>Let the fish cops decide if
>the bull should be put
>down or not. But the
>hunter shot a cow. It's
>his critter, his tag goes
>on the cow, end of
>hunt. Tag your animal and
>call fish and game and
>hope you caught them on
>a good day.
>
>
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>So
>we must and we will."
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>53. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>I say he turned his son
>>into a man who realizes
>>his responsibility to the wildlife
>>is greater than being a
>>subject cowering to the legal
>>authority or the internet.
>>
>>Jm77,
>>
>>It's a horrible time we live
>>in when fear disguised as
>>self righteousness will keep you
>>from actually doing the right
>>thing and accept responsibility for
>>those actions.
>>
>>Easy for you to look down
>>your nose and call someone
>>a poacher so you don't
>>have to admit you could
>>be right there making good
>>and bad decisions with a
>>clock that only has a
>>second hand and your wits.
>>
>
>Take that rifle into your own
>hands Tri and finish what
>YOU started. Only a coward
>like you would tell his
>son to keep shooting. Only
>an inept hunter like you
>would have allowed his son
>to take that risky shot
>that killed the cow.
>
>I have been there with my
>12 year old daughter, a
>big 6pt bull 150yds away,
>broadside but with elk behind
>him. Would that 100gr 6mm
>bullet pass through that big
>chest and hit an elk
>beyond him? I really doubt
>it.
>
>It didn't matter anyway, because I
>wouldn't let her take that
>chance. There's the difference between
>you and me and doing
>the right thing. Stand up
>dude and be proud, you
>let your son become an
>unethical hunter.
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>54. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Jm77,
>
>You do realize absolutely NOTHING in
>your daughter story has anything
>to do with what we
>are talking about.
>
>
>Since you didn't have the balls
>to answer my original question,
>just enough balls to talk
>5hit to the man who
>did, I'll ask you a
>different one.
>
>Have you jm77 ever accidentally shot
>an animal?
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>55. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Jm77,
>>
>>You do realize absolutely NOTHING in
>>your daughter story has anything
>>to do with what we
>>are talking about.
>
>
>Wrong, it's about ethics, something that
>you haven't a clue about.
>Shooting at the bull, without
>a clear shot is unethical.
>
>
>>
>>Since you didn't have the balls
>>to answer my original question,
>
>I answered clearly enough that shooting
>that bull with a dead
>cow on the ground was
>poaching. Twist it however you
>want.
>
>>just enough balls to talk
>>5hit to the man who
>>did, I'll ask you a
>>different one.
>
>Didn't talk sh** on anyone but
>you.
>
>
>>Have you jm77 ever accidentally shot
>>an animal?
>
>No. Every single animal I have
>harvested died because I intentionally
>squeezed the trigger. That cow
>the son killed was no
>"accident".
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>56. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 12:25
>PM (MST)
>
>Hey troll,
>You realize why you're called a
>troll right?
>
>Cuz you argue every time someone
>sees something different than you.
>You're not always right.
>Just because someone else sees it
>different than you, doesn't make
>them wrong.
>
>Here's a hypothetical for you.....
>
>How bout you and one of
>your kids try this same
>scenario out and come back
>and tell us how it
>turns out.
>
>With your sound ethics I'm sure
>you'd justify it anyway you
>could to be able to
>put that tag on the
>bull instead of the cow.
>
>
>To claim that "you never know
>the bull is hit until
>you can put your hands
>on it" is absolutely absurd!
>
>
>"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak.
>So
>we must and we will."
>Theadore Roosevelt
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>57. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Actually you told wapitiwilly he would
>make his son a poacher.
>Own up to the trash
>you talk. One more problem
>with your lacking man cred.
>
>
>As for never accidentally shooting an
>animal, I hope you take
>up hunting one day. It's
>way more fulfilling than trying
>to shame people on the
>internet.
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>58. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 12:49
>PM (MST)
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>Tri said
>
>"Wapitiwilly,
>
>That is a great post."
>
>
>Yeah, I was talking to you
>Tri. But you know that.
>If Wapiti believes what he
>wrote, it pertains to him
>to. Satisfied?
>
>As far as me taking up
>hunting, I can't stop laughing
>long enough to answer that
>one.
>
>People always say "stop feeding the
>Troll" but it's sure enjoyable
>to see you all worked
>up. I guess it's your
>way with words when your
>going through that "little man"
>syndrome!
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>59. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I'm the last guy to defend
>tri. I believe the ethical
>thing to do is finish
>the bull if you have
>wounded it. Letting an animal
>suffer when you can put
>it down is not the
>world I live in. Once
>you decide to keep shooting
>you are responsible for your
>actions regardless of the outcome.
>I would rather my son
>be a offender than let
>a animal he wounded walk
>away.
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>60. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>First, the scenario is set in
>Utah. So, before we all
>get our undies in a
>wad, what is the law
>in Utah, regarding the unintentional
>killing of a big game
>animal, during a hunt? Ethics
>are trumped by States Laws
>and Regulations. So.......for me, ethics
>have nothing to do it
>what so ever.
>
>Everybody knows, including Wildlife Administrators and
>Judges, laws trump ethics, even
>if the laws are poorly
>written and or poorly administered.
>Some times we, as people
>and specifically hunters, believe ethic
>must be adhered to regardless
>of what the law's state,
>but we are wrong, according
>to the law. Ethic are
>individual and group determined and
>no two individuals have identical
>ethics, no matter how united
>we believe we are in
>our opinion. The legal system,
>that will make the ultimate
>decision, as to the consequences
>of the event is who
>gets decide, not you or
>I. Many wildlife hunting and
>fishing infractions are left to
>the Officer on site, who
>determines how "he or she
>is going to enforce the
>law". Not every Officer would
>make the same decision, as
>to what do or not
>do in this case, so
>in many cases like this
>scenario or countless others that
>take place, in every State,
>every day, are made by
>a single law enforcement Officer,
>according to his or her
>understanding of the incident and
>the State's law.
>
>My opinion, and that is all
>it is, is this........ at
>the time the cow was
>killed by the young man,
>the bull was still alive
>and a legal animal to
>kill, for anyone that had
>an any bull tag. I
>don't know the legal status
>of the son or his
>elk tag, because Tri didn't
>tell us if it was
>an any bull tag or
>an any elk tag, and
>there is an obvious difference.
>
>
>If it's an any elk tag,
>the hunt is over, a
>legal elk is dead and
>the tag goes on the
>cow and the hunters go
>home with the cow. A
>wounded bull elk is left
>on the mountain, like dozens
>of other wounded big game
>animals are left every day
>of the hunting season. In
>as much as there are
>not any elk tags, that
>I've ever heard of in
>Utah, this is not possible,
>so let's consider what Utah's
>system would do.
>
>If it's an any bull, which
>I think it would have
>to be, because to my
>knowledge there are no any
>elk rifle tags in Utah.
>(Archers elk tags are different.)
>So the hunt must have
>an any elk tag. So,
>he can't legally tag a
>cow with it. So, in
>my opinion, he still has
>an any bull elk tag
>and he has a dead
>cow laying in the dirt.
>He needs stop hunting immediately
>and let the wounded or
>unwounded bull walk away, and
>begin attempting to contract a
>legal authority, at the same
>time, caring for the dead
>cow, so the meat does
>not spoil. I would not
>move the cow, accept to
>get her out of the
>hot sun until a legal
>authority advised me as to
>how to proceed. I would
>not attempt to leave the
>kill sight with an untagged
>elk nor would I allow
>it to spoil. (wanton waste
>is against the law too)
>If I have that cow
>in my pickup, untagged and
>run into an Warden on
>the way off the mountain,
>how does the Warden know
>I'm not just trying to
>sneak it home. Nope, I'm
>not moving it, without permission,
>
>
>Now, after a Warden has been
>contacted and I've been given
>his decision as what he/she
>want me to do, only
>then do I return to
>consider the bull. If the
>Warden decides my son needs
>to turn in his any
>bull tag, we are finished
>hunting.
>
>If the Warden, decides accidents happen,
>you did the right thing,
>and my son can continue
>hunting, when we do all
>we can to find and
>bring home the bull he
>shot at in the glade.
>
>
>Now and only now do I
>consider ethics, because there are
>many different ethics that come
>to play in this scenario.
>
>
>Is the bull even hit?
>
>Do I allow my son to
>keep hunting, if we can't
>find the bull, dead or
>alive? (He's killed a cow,
>but the Warden said he
>can still hunt.)
>
>That's my only ethical decision? If
>you feel responsible for your
>son killed the cow, do
>you punish him for your
>mistake, or do you tell
>him, "too bad, you pulled
>the trigger, so you suffer
>the consequences regardless if was
>my duty to make sure
>you behaved correctly or not"?
>We have no idea if
>this is a 12 year
>old son or a 30
>year old son, however, it
>seems in this scenario the
>son may be an older
>son.
>
>What if another, unassociated hunter, killed
>the bull, ten minutes after
>your son killed the cow?
>Does that change any thing
>so far as allowing your
>son to continue hunting........... ethically.
>
>
>What if you can't find a
>drop of bull and see
>the bull breeding a cow?
>Again, it becomes an ethical
>decision.
>
>It certainly seems the son did
>not intentionally kill the cow,
>so for his part, it
>was an intentional hunting accident.
>Are your ethics different, if
>you suffer an accident, even
>if you may not have
>been as careful as you
>should have been. If an
>unseen cow darted out just
>as you pulled the trigger,
>what then?
>
>If a sixteen year old girl,
>with a new drivers license
>is "cautiously" driving a car
>past a park, with a
>large number of children running
>in all directions, in the
>park, and a small child
>dashes out, from been two
>parked cars, in her blind
>spot, and she hits the
>child, did she commit manslaughter?
>As a parent, riding in
>the seat next to her,
>are you guilt of neglect?
>
>
>Some times terrible things happen, even
>when we are doing all
>we can to avoid doing
>anything wrong. If you haven't
>had something like Tri's scenario
>happen to you, while you
>are hunting, either you haven't
>hunted very often, or you've
>been darn lucky.
>
>For me, it's how you react,
>after an accident happens, that
>determines what kind of a
>person you are.
>
>DC
>
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>I'll Try & Make it Short:
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>Lmao!
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>2. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17 AT 02:09
>PM (MST)
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>Wow.....Dr. Seuss the taxidermy man. Work
>must be pretty slow in
>Texas these days.
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>
>Hypothetically speaking of course.
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>3. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wow even his son is unethical,
>hypothetically speaking of course.
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>4. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>The hunters from Louisiana?
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>5. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>seeing your from Texas.... just call
>a biologist/volunteer at a division
>office/ or anybody that answers
>the phone in another area
>or even a different state,hell
>just call the gas station
>next to the office and
>they will make it all
>legal for you, I guess
>you just shot a "bonus"
>cow. hell you might just
>get a medal for helping
>get the bull to cow
>ratio closer to objectives
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>6. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>It is apparently too late to
>teach ethics so maybe teach
>Son how to shoot before
>going on hunt?
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>7. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17 AT 03:33
>PM (MST)
>
>This hypothetical hunt is obviously in
>reference to the poaching conviction
>of Bill Busbice. Why doesn't
>it surprise me that Trollstate
>is on his side on
>that one just like every
>other incident of poaching or
>law violations discussed on this
>site!!! What a douche!
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>10. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17
>>AT 03:33 PM (MST)
>>
>>This hypothetical hunt is obviously in
>>reference to the poaching conviction
>>of Bill Busbice. Why
>>doesn't it surprise me that
>>Trollstate is on his side
>>on that one just like
>>every other incident of poaching
>>or law violations discussed on
>>this site!!! What a
>>douche!
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>
>Thick as thieves.
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>8. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>WWTD. (What would tristate do)?
>
>YALL
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>9. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Might as well tell him to
>shoot it. A guy with
>a backhoe can get rid
>of that cow pretty quick.
>Keep the ratio intact.
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>11. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Something tells me there's a debate
>coming.
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>12. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Couldn't let your post that got
>deleated on wildgame nation poachers
>die.Had to resurrect in a
>new thread.sigh.
>
>Tell your son to do what
>any ethical hunter would do.1
>cow down,Bull still walking.Stay shooting.If
>he drops 5 more cows
>shoot till that bull is
>down.
>
>Game and fish should understand the
>cows kept walking in the
>line of fire.If not will
>be hard to prove you
>guilty in court.
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>13. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Hide/Throw The Extras in the F'N
>Ditch & Hope Them Other
>2 Hunters just on the
>other Side of the Fence
>don't Turn Your Ass in!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>15. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Let Me Just Say This:
>
>Jr would be in More trouble
>with Me than the Game
>Warden!
>
>He's Been Taught & Knows Better!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>14. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>My favorite line from tristate's hypothetical
>masterpiece: "Oh no a cow
>elk's head explodes and she
>falls dead."
>
>In the waterfowl world, we call
>this flock shooting. Just keep
>shooting until you get the
>one you want.
>
>-Hawkeye-
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>16. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>No debate yet. Nobody has told
>the truth.
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>17. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>No debate yet. Nobody has
>>told the truth.
>
>Do you tell your son to
>shoot the bull?
>
>If You Know for Sure the
>Bull Has Been Hit!
>
>Then Yes!
>
>You Don't Leave any Animal To
>Suffer!
>
>Then You'd Best Get the DWR
>There Before Somebody Else Gets
>them there for you!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
>
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>18. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>AKA:
>
>Somebody's Got Some SPLAININ to do!
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
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>19. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Elkassassin,
>
>You never know the bull is
>hit until you can put
>your hands on him.
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>20. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Elkassassin,
>>
>>You never know the bull is
>>hit until you can put
>>your hands on him.
>
>You/The Dad Seen Him Flinch &
>Limp away!
>
>He's F'N Hit!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
>
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>21. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Elkassassin,
>
>No matter what the bull did,
>once you pull the trigger
>they are always hit.
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>23. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Elkassassin,
>>
>>No matter what the bull did,
>>once you pull the trigger
>>they are always hit.
>
>
>You are so full of crappola
>I'm surprised you haven't choked
>to death by now, LOL!
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>22. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Hey TRI!
>
>Been a While Since You've Stirred
>it Up!
>
>WTH?
>
>OK!
>
>See If This Answer Satisfies You:
>
>
>Hold it Son!
>
>Don't Shoot!
>
>Don't Shoot again!
>
>The Bull Limps Off with Two
>Bullets in Him!
>
>But it's OK,Right?
>
>It's Just a Bull!
>
>You Walk Down to the Cow
>With No Head!
>
>Jr Gets His F'N Coveted LE
>Bull Tag Out that Took
>Him 20+ GAWD-DAMNED Years to
>Pull & Spent 50+K getting
>ready for this Hunt &
>BY GAWD on Closer Inspection
>there is a Notch with
>a M and there is
>also an F on the
>Tag/Permit So You've Got it
>covered,TAG the F'N Cow &
>Get off the Mountain!
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
>
>
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>24. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>So assassin, I am liking your
>honesty. You are saying you
>think the right thing to
>do is consciously make the
>decision to let a wounded
>animal suffer to death and
>waste him so no human
>can utilize the meat.
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>25. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>So assassin, I am liking your
>>honesty. You are saying
>>you think the right thing
>>to do is consciously make
>>the decision to let a
>>wounded animal suffer to death
>>and waste him so no
>>human can utilize the meat.
>>
>
>
>Not Sayin that at all!
>
>Read My Earlier Posts!
>
>When I Did Say it I
>Was Just Bein SMART!
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>26. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Just Trying to Find An Answer
>Somebody Wants!
>
>That's All!
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>27. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Easy Elk, he is dragging you
>in.
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>28. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Deepcolor,
>
>I can respect Elk's posts. I
>could respect tour's to if
>you answered the question.
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>29. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Nope, I don't give a #####
>if you respect me or
>not.
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>30. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>http://tri-statetaxidermy.com/about_tri-state-taxidermy.htm
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>Ben,You're kind of a pudge
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>31. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>The West ain't Texas.We cant just
>order up more animals.Get it
>thru your short azz thick
>skull.
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>32. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>This is obviously a far fetched
>fake news story, because aint
>no way Tristate could have
>a family or son that
>could put up with him.
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>33. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri your son should learn how
>to shoot! Just sayin. Maybe
>it's not his fault and
>you should teach him better.
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>34. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri..honest question...u ever get tired of
>playn the skin flute????
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>35. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I'd go and look for blood
>where the bull was walking.
>I'm not sure if the
>LE tags are good for
>cows so I'm gonna make
>a phone call, after the
>cow is taken care of.
>If I find blood, what
>happens next is up to
>the CO.
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>36. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>
>Come On Tri!
>
>Do You Really Like F'N With
>Us?
>
>It's Not Everybody that Has to
>Put an LE Bull Tag
>on a F'N Cow!
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>37. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wait a minute I figured out
>Tri's problem. He graduated from
>Texas A&M. He a damn
>Aggie. Be easy on him,
>it's not his fault.
>
>Being a Red Raider I have
>dealt with his kind. Lol
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>38. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>So assassin, I am liking your
>>honesty. You are saying
>>you think the right thing
>>to do is consciously make
>>the decision to let a
>>wounded animal suffer to death
>>and waste him so no
>>human can utilize the meat.
>>
>
>Tri, this happens every year, numerous
>times. I have yet to
>see or read, in this
>state, that if you shoot
>and miss a bull, and
>kill a cow, and SELF
>REPORT that you are hit
>for poaching. Your good buddy
>didn't call the CO and
>report himself. I'm assuming in
>your hypothetical that you and
>your boy brought a ranch
>hand with a backhoe with
>you? What meat was utilized
>by your buddy when he
>dug a hole in the
>ground and burried it? Now
>you be honest.
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"
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>39. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I guess it's good to think
>about and talk about ahead
>of time. That way you
>can make sure something like
>that doesn't happen.
>
>Every time you pull the trigger,
>you're responsible for what happens.
>
>
>Or.....you could call someone who has
>a cow tag......
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>40. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>One Thing about it!
>
>The Boy Knows a Taxidermist!
>
>Can You Tell Us what a
>Cow Costs to Have Mounted
>when they Show up with
>an Exploded Head?
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>41. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Great posts Gasman and Eelgrass. It
>is interesting to see so
>many "hunters" are so scared
>of this they can't talk
>about it. I am starting
>to wonder how many posters
>right here are even hunters
>at all.
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>42. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Great posts Gasman and Eelgrass.
>>It is interesting to see
>>so many "hunters" are so
>>scared of this they can't
>>talk about it. I
>>am starting to wonder how
>>many posters right here are
>>even hunters at all.
>
>
>Another stupid post by the Troll!
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>43. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I don't mind the discussion at
>all.
>
>The hypothetical hunt involved a young
>immature hunter. They don't always
>do the right thing in
>the heat of the moment.
>That's a fact of life.
>We'd all like to think
>our kids wouldn't do something
>stupid. It makes me sick
>to think about something like
>that happening though.
>
>"Do you tell your son to
>shoot the bull?"
>
>If I'm positive the bull was
>hit, you have to finish
>the deed and then face
>the music. So, yes.
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>44. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 08:38
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>>I don't mind the discussion at
>>all.
>>
>>The hypothetical hunt involved a young
>>immature hunter. They don't always
>>do the right thing in
>>the heat of the moment.
>>That's a fact of life.
>>We'd all like to think
>>our kids wouldn't do something
>>stupid. It makes me sick
>>to think about something like
>>that happening though.
>>
>>"Do you tell your son to
>>shoot the bull?"
>>
>>If I'm positive the bull was
>>hit, you have to finish
>>the deed and then face
>>the music. So, yes.
>
>
>This "discussion" was strictly taken from
>the poaching violation involving Bill
>Busbice in Wyoming and the
>Troll posted it just like
>many of his other BS
>posts trying to defend a
>poacher and for no other
>reason than to troll the
>site! Think again if you
>think our resident Troll did
>it for any other reason!
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>45. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>This is the most interesting post
>in a while. I am
>trying to look at the
>hypothetical situation as a game
>warden would and should do.
>Experience tells me that as
>the inquiry goes on new
>facts would come out. The
>reason the shooter was standing
>on the roadside was that
>the herd was real close
>to private ground and were
>heading in that direction. The
>hunter had carefully oiled the
>pristine pre 64 model 70
>and had it setting on
>the tailgate on a towel
>as not to scratch the
>Gold inlaid Swaro optic. Laid
>there in a posed position
>for everyone to see.
>What is the difference in #####
>points needed between a resident
>and a non resident troll?
>It is my opinion that
>the Wyoming poacher mentioned should
>pay whatever fines as are
>legal and lose hunting privilages
>for 10 years. His decision
>was to do what was
>necessary to secure the bull
>and then cover up his
>actions. He had time to
>call in the warden and
>chose not too.
>J_T_B
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>46. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>"Do you tell your son to
>shoot the Bull?"
>
>Hell yes! That's not my answer,
>but I think most people,
>if they're honest with themselves
>would do it. That's just
>the way I feel hunting
>is to a lot of
>people. Whatever it takes to
>get the biggest animal down,
>whatever it takes. I think
>afterwards, when they see the
>body count, it's their responsibility
>to use their Dumb Card
>to explain it away. Maybe
>they can use the thinking
>that it will only be
>an over limit of elk
>fine that is only going
>to cost them a few
>hundred dollars. Like I said,
>whatever it takes. It was
>an accident, fuk it. Right?
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>47. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Shoot the bull, take care of
>the cow/bull, call the GW,
>plead your case, face the
>music?
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>48. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Wapitiwilly,
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>That is a great post.
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>52. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Tri be honest. This scenario happened
>to you sitting in your
>elevated box blind hunting a
>corn feeder on a high
>fence ranch on one of
>your Aggie Alumni buddy's ranches
>he inherited. You were being
>big shots and had one
>too many Shiner Bocks and
>screwed up on a 25
>yard shot. That 338 you
>were shooting was s little
>to much gun and you
>killed 3 does and crippled
>the 16pt buck you were
>after.
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>Your a tool, but your taxidermy
>work oooks good.
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>62. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Wapitiwilly,
>>
>>That is a great post.
>
>So Tri?
>
>Where Does My Post # 17
>Differ much from Wapitiwilly's Post?
>
>
>
>Ah yes we have insider trading
>and computer dating but I
>never goin for that!
>Ain't no machine pickin out my
>Queen cause it may not
>have all the facts!
>I've got my own taste and
>my own ways I'd rather
>not talk about
>and my private life is my
>private life and they ain't
>gonna find out!
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>49. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Shoot the bull, take care of
>>the cow/bull, call the GW,
>>plead your case, face the
>>music?
>
>
>If this is your choice as
>a father and hunter mentor,
>you just turned your son
>into a poacher. In all
>legality, when that cow hits
>the ground, the hunt is
>over. There no longer is
>a valid hunting license to
>shoot the bull, wounded or
>not.
>
>This scenario should be offered as
>a late season cow hunt
>where one cow is killed
>and another wounded. I wonder
>what answer Tri would be
>looking for in that case?
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>50. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I say he turned his son
>into a man who realizes
>his responsibility to the wildlife
>is greater than being a
>subject cowering to the legal
>authority or the internet.
>
>Jm77,
>
>It's a horrible time we live
>in when fear disguised as
>self righteousness will keep you
>from actually doing the right
>thing and accept responsibility for
>those actions.
>
>Easy for you to look down
>your nose and call someone
>a poacher so you don't
>have to admit you could
>be right there making good
>and bad decisions with a
>clock that only has a
>second hand and your wits.
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>51. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 11:33
>AM (MST)
>
>I'm with Jm77 on this. The
>hunt was over as soon
>as he killed the cow.
>whether on purpose or accident.
>Including whether the bull was
>hit or not. Critters get
>wounded more often than people
>know and are willing to
>admit. ALot of them still
>live too. Even the professionals,
>best hunters are not perfect
>and could wound an animal.
>It's part of hunting. Although
>ethical hunters try everything in
>their power to avoid it.
>
>Let the fish cops decide if
>the bull should be put
>down or not. But the
>hunter shot a cow. It's
>his critter, his tag goes
>on the cow, end of
>hunt. Tag your animal and
>call fish and game and
>hope you caught them on
>a good day.
>
>
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>So
>we must and we will."
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>53. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>I say he turned his son
>>into a man who realizes
>>his responsibility to the wildlife
>>is greater than being a
>>subject cowering to the legal
>>authority or the internet.
>>
>>Jm77,
>>
>>It's a horrible time we live
>>in when fear disguised as
>>self righteousness will keep you
>>from actually doing the right
>>thing and accept responsibility for
>>those actions.
>>
>>Easy for you to look down
>>your nose and call someone
>>a poacher so you don't
>>have to admit you could
>>be right there making good
>>and bad decisions with a
>>clock that only has a
>>second hand and your wits.
>>
>
>Take that rifle into your own
>hands Tri and finish what
>YOU started. Only a coward
>like you would tell his
>son to keep shooting. Only
>an inept hunter like you
>would have allowed his son
>to take that risky shot
>that killed the cow.
>
>I have been there with my
>12 year old daughter, a
>big 6pt bull 150yds away,
>broadside but with elk behind
>him. Would that 100gr 6mm
>bullet pass through that big
>chest and hit an elk
>beyond him? I really doubt
>it.
>
>It didn't matter anyway, because I
>wouldn't let her take that
>chance. There's the difference between
>you and me and doing
>the right thing. Stand up
>dude and be proud, you
>let your son become an
>unethical hunter.
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>54. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Jm77,
>
>You do realize absolutely NOTHING in
>your daughter story has anything
>to do with what we
>are talking about.
>
>
>Since you didn't have the balls
>to answer my original question,
>just enough balls to talk
>5hit to the man who
>did, I'll ask you a
>different one.
>
>Have you jm77 ever accidentally shot
>an animal?
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>55. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>>Jm77,
>>
>>You do realize absolutely NOTHING in
>>your daughter story has anything
>>to do with what we
>>are talking about.
>
>
>Wrong, it's about ethics, something that
>you haven't a clue about.
>Shooting at the bull, without
>a clear shot is unethical.
>
>
>>
>>Since you didn't have the balls
>>to answer my original question,
>
>I answered clearly enough that shooting
>that bull with a dead
>cow on the ground was
>poaching. Twist it however you
>want.
>
>>just enough balls to talk
>>5hit to the man who
>>did, I'll ask you a
>>different one.
>
>Didn't talk sh** on anyone but
>you.
>
>
>>Have you jm77 ever accidentally shot
>>an animal?
>
>No. Every single animal I have
>harvested died because I intentionally
>squeezed the trigger. That cow
>the son killed was no
>"accident".
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>56. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 12:25
>PM (MST)
>
>Hey troll,
>You realize why you're called a
>troll right?
>
>Cuz you argue every time someone
>sees something different than you.
>You're not always right.
>Just because someone else sees it
>different than you, doesn't make
>them wrong.
>
>Here's a hypothetical for you.....
>
>How bout you and one of
>your kids try this same
>scenario out and come back
>and tell us how it
>turns out.
>
>With your sound ethics I'm sure
>you'd justify it anyway you
>could to be able to
>put that tag on the
>bull instead of the cow.
>
>
>To claim that "you never know
>the bull is hit until
>you can put your hands
>on it" is absolutely absurd!
>
>
>"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak.
>So
>we must and we will."
>Theadore Roosevelt
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>57. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>Actually you told wapitiwilly he would
>make his son a poacher.
>Own up to the trash
>you talk. One more problem
>with your lacking man cred.
>
>
>As for never accidentally shooting an
>animal, I hope you take
>up hunting one day. It's
>way more fulfilling than trying
>to shame people on the
>internet.
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>58. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>LAST EDITED ON Jul-09-17 AT 12:49
>PM (MST)
>
>Tri said
>
>"Wapitiwilly,
>
>That is a great post."
>
>
>Yeah, I was talking to you
>Tri. But you know that.
>If Wapiti believes what he
>wrote, it pertains to him
>to. Satisfied?
>
>As far as me taking up
>hunting, I can't stop laughing
>long enough to answer that
>one.
>
>People always say "stop feeding the
>Troll" but it's sure enjoyable
>to see you all worked
>up. I guess it's your
>way with words when your
>going through that "little man"
>syndrome!
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>59. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>I'm the last guy to defend
>tri. I believe the ethical
>thing to do is finish
>the bull if you have
>wounded it. Letting an animal
>suffer when you can put
>it down is not the
>world I live in. Once
>you decide to keep shooting
>you are responsible for your
>actions regardless of the outcome.
>I would rather my son
>be a offender than let
>a animal he wounded walk
>away.
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>60. "RE: Let's go on a
>hypothetical hunt together"
>First, the scenario is set in
>Utah. So, before we all
>get our undies in a
>wad, what is the law
>in Utah, regarding the unintentional
>killing of a big game
>animal, during a hunt? Ethics
>are trumped by States Laws
>and Regulations. So.......for me, ethics
>have nothing to do it
>what so ever.
>
>Everybody knows, including Wildlife Administrators and
>Judges, laws trump ethics, even
>if the laws are poorly
>written and or poorly administered.
>Some times we, as people
>and specifically hunters, believe ethic
>must be adhered to regardless
>of what the law's state,
>but we are wrong, according
>to the law. Ethic are
>individual and group determined and
>no two individuals have identical
>ethics, no matter how united
>we believe we are in
>our opinion. The legal system,
>that will make the ultimate
>decision, as to the consequences
>of the event is who
>gets decide, not you or
>I. Many wildlife hunting and
>fishing infractions are left to
>the Officer on site, who
>determines how "he or she
>is going to enforce the
>law". Not every Officer would
>make the same decision, as
>to what do or not
>do in this case, so
>in many cases like this
>scenario or countless others that
>take place, in every State,
>every day, are made by
>a single law enforcement Officer,
>according to his or her
>understanding of the incident and
>the State's law.
>
>My opinion, and that is all
>it is, is this........ at
>the time the cow was
>killed by the young man,
>the bull was still alive
>and a legal animal to
>kill, for anyone that had
>an any bull tag. I
>don't know the legal status
>of the son or his
>elk tag, because Tri didn't
>tell us if it was
>an any bull tag or
>an any elk tag, and
>there is an obvious difference.
>
>
>If it's an any elk tag,
>the hunt is over, a
>legal elk is dead and
>the tag goes on the
>cow and the hunters go
>home with the cow. A
>wounded bull elk is left
>on the mountain, like dozens
>of other wounded big game
>animals are left every day
>of the hunting season. In
>as much as there are
>not any elk tags, that
>I've ever heard of in
>Utah, this is not possible,
>so let's consider what Utah's
>system would do.
>
>If it's an any bull, which
>I think it would have
>to be, because to my
>knowledge there are no any
>elk rifle tags in Utah.
>(Archers elk tags are different.)
>So the hunt must have
>an any elk tag. So,
>he can't legally tag a
>cow with it. So, in
>my opinion, he still has
>an any bull elk tag
>and he has a dead
>cow laying in the dirt.
>He needs stop hunting immediately
>and let the wounded or
>unwounded bull walk away, and
>begin attempting to contract a
>legal authority, at the same
>time, caring for the dead
>cow, so the meat does
>not spoil. I would not
>move the cow, accept to
>get her out of the
>hot sun until a legal
>authority advised me as to
>how to proceed. I would
>not attempt to leave the
>kill sight with an untagged
>elk nor would I allow
>it to spoil. (wanton waste
>is against the law too)
>If I have that cow
>in my pickup, untagged and
>run into an Warden on
>the way off the mountain,
>how does the Warden know
>I'm not just trying to
>sneak it home. Nope, I'm
>not moving it, without permission,
>
>
>Now, after a Warden has been
>contacted and I've been given
>his decision as what he/she
>want me to do, only
>then do I return to
>consider the bull. If the
>Warden decides my son needs
>to turn in his any
>bull tag, we are finished
>hunting.
>
>If the Warden, decides accidents happen,
>you did the right thing,
>and my son can continue
>hunting, when we do all
>we can to find and
>bring home the bull he
>shot at in the glade.
>
>
>Now and only now do I
>consider ethics, because there are
>many different ethics that come
>to play in this scenario.
>
>
>Is the bull even hit?
>
>Do I allow my son to
>keep hunting, if we can't
>find the bull, dead or
>alive? (He's killed a cow,
>but the Warden said he
>can still hunt.)
>
>That's my only ethical decision? If
>you feel responsible for your
>son killed the cow, do
>you punish him for your
>mistake, or do you tell
>him, "too bad, you pulled
>the trigger, so you suffer
>the consequences regardless if was
>my duty to make sure
>you behaved correctly or not"?
>We have no idea if
>this is a 12 year
>old son or a 30
>year old son, however, it
>seems in this scenario the
>son may be an older
>son.
>
>What if another, unassociated hunter, killed
>the bull, ten minutes after
>your son killed the cow?
>Does that change any thing
>so far as allowing your
>son to continue hunting........... ethically.
>
>
>What if you can't find a
>drop of bull and see
>the bull breeding a cow?
>Again, it becomes an ethical
>decision.
>
>It certainly seems the son did
>not intentionally kill the cow,
>so for his part, it
>was an intentional hunting accident.
>Are your ethics different, if
>you suffer an accident, even
>if you may not have
>been as careful as you
>should have been. If an
>unseen cow darted out just
>as you pulled the trigger,
>what then?
>
>If a sixteen year old girl,
>with a new drivers license
>is "cautiously" driving a car
>past a park, with a
>large number of children running
>in all directions, in the
>park, and a small child
>dashes out, from been two
>parked cars, in her blind
>spot, and she hits the
>child, did she commit manslaughter?
>As a parent, riding in
>the seat next to her,
>are you guilt of neglect?
>
>
>Some times terrible things happen, even
>when we are doing all
>we can to avoid doing
>anything wrong. If you haven't
>had something like Tri's scenario
>happen to you, while you
>are hunting, either you haven't
>hunted very often, or you've
>been darn lucky.
>
>For me, it's how you react,
>after an accident happens, that
>determines what kind of a
>person you are.
>
>DC
>
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>To some jackass' 50 yards with
>a rifle should be considered
>long range.
I Was Thinking 25 Yards booty!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
>To some jackass' 50 yards with
>a rifle should be considered
>long range.
I Was Thinking 25 Yards booty!
[Font][Font color = "blue"]Ah yes we have insider trading and computer dating but I never goin for that!
Ain't no machine pickin out my Queen cause it may not have all the facts!
I've got my own taste and my own ways I'd rather not talk about
and my private life is my private life and they ain't gonna find out!
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>Lee,
>Maybe that is best with your
>fingers being that shaky! Dammm!
>
My finger was steady as a rock on my end, but I couldn't be sure where the answer would go on the other end, it was so far away!
>Maybe that is best with your
>fingers being that shaky! Dammm!
>
My finger was steady as a rock on my end, but I couldn't be sure where the answer would go on the other end, it was so far away!
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The distance at which a shot is considered ?long-range,? ethical, or unethical cannot be defined by specific yardages because this varies with each individual situation. It depends on equipment, shooting conditions, the species being hunted, the hunter?s experience and marksmanship skills, and other variables. It also depends on the commitment of every responsible hunter to avoid inflicting undue suffering, to make quick and humane kills, and to make every effort never to waste animals pursued as legal quarry. It is widely acknowledged that the likelihood of wounding, and the challenges of tracking, and recovering animals increase proportionally as shooting distances increase.
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The Boone and Crockett Club maintains that hunting, at its most fundamental level, is defined by a tenuous and unpredictable relationship between predator and prey. This is an intrinsic, irrefutable and intimate connection that cannot be compromised if the hunter is to maintain the sanctity of this relationship and any credible claim that hunting is challenging, rewarding, respectful of wild creatures, and in service to wildlife conservation. This connection is built upon many complex components that differentiate hunting from simply shooting or killing.
The Club finds that long-range shooting takes unfair advantage of the game animal, effectively eliminates the natural capacity of an animal to use its senses and instincts to detect danger, and demeans the hunter/prey relationship in a way that diminishes the importance and relevance of the animal and the hunt. The Club urges all hunters to think carefully of the consequences of long-range shooting, whether hunting with a rifle, bow, muzzleloader, crossbow, or handgun, and not confuse the purposes and intent of long-range shooting with fair chase hunting.
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Situational Overview
Bullets fired from hunting rifles have had the capability of hitting targets at long distances for many decades. Regardless of these capabilities, sportsmen have historically held themselves to an ethical standard of not taking excessively long or risky shots at the big game animals they pursue. New shooting technologies now being developed and promoted for use in hunting are encouraging hunters to shoot at substantially increased distances. These new technologies, while not illegal, are tempting hunters into taking longer and longer shots, which is raising significant ethical questions, including those of fair chase and intent.
The distance at which a shot is considered ?long-range,? ethical, or unethical cannot be defined by specific yardages because this varies with each individual situation. It depends on equipment, shooting conditions, the species being hunted, the hunter?s experience and marksmanship skills, and other variables. It also depends on the commitment of every responsible hunter to avoid inflicting undue suffering, to make quick and humane kills, and to make every effort never to waste animals pursued as legal quarry. It is widely acknowledged that the likelihood of wounding, and the challenges of tracking, and recovering animals increase proportionally as shooting distances increase.
Hunting must involve the risk of detection and failure if there is to be any honor in having overcome the superior senses and survival instincts of the hunted. It is for this reason that sportsmen have embraced limitations so that technology does not fully overwhelm the natural capacities of the prey they pursue. This is a self-imposed trade-off that decreases the likelihood of a successful harvest, but heightens the hunting experience and shows respect for the animals being hunted. Combined, these values represent the intent and cherished traditions of hunting.
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The Boone and Crockett Club believes the term ?long-range? shooting is more defined by a hunter?s intent, than any specific distance at which a shot is taken. If the intent of the individual is to test equipment and determine how far one can shoot to hit a live target and if there is no motivation to risk engagement with the animal being hunted, this practice is not hunting and should not be accorded the same status as hunting.
The Boone and Crockett Club maintains that hunting, at its most fundamental level, is defined by a tenuous and unpredictable relationship between predator and prey. This is an intrinsic, irrefutable and intimate connection that cannot be compromised if the hunter is to maintain the sanctity of this relationship and any credible claim that hunting is challenging, rewarding, respectful of wild creatures, and in service to wildlife conservation. This connection is built upon many complex components that differentiate hunting from simply shooting or killing.
The Club finds that long-range shooting takes unfair advantage of the game animal, effectively eliminates the natural capacity of an animal to use its senses and instincts to detect danger, and demeans the hunter/prey relationship in a way that diminishes the importance and relevance of the animal and the hunt. The Club urges all hunters to think carefully of the consequences of long-range shooting, whether hunting with a rifle, bow, muzzleloader, crossbow, or handgun, and not confuse the purposes and intent of long-range shooting with fair chase hunting.
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