Forbes article; privatize America's public lands

Oneye · Jul 20, 2017

A look behind the curtain of the real reasons this pushing for transfer, are really pushing for sale. It seems here and there they let their guard down and flat out say what the plan is. This is probably the most serious issue we will face in regards to hunting throughout our lives, and it's going to be a long drawn out battle we will continue to fight. It's also one we can't afford to lose if we wish for our kids and grandkids to have the same freedoms we have. Every one of us must continue to let our politicians know that selling our public lands is absolutely not an option, we also need to make sure we are supporting groups fighting this terrible and misguided attempt to dismantle our public land system in America. The other side is going to do what they can, we need to make sure their dream of privatization never comes true.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveh...oing-privatize-u-s-public-lands/#f04760c5af31

Here is an open letter from RMEF in response

https://elknetwork.com/never-privatize-lands-open-letter-steve-h-hanke/

Tristate · Jul 20, 2017

we need to make sure
>their dream of privatization never
>comes true.

I gotta say that last comment sure doesn't sound very American.

grosventrehunter · Jul 20, 2017

Crawl back under your rock triturd.

jm77 · Jul 20, 2017

>Crawl back under your rock triturd.
>

^^^^This +100

Tri-clown has no conception of the meaning of public land. He lives in a world of high fences, land barons and canned hunting.

Tristate · Jul 20, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Jul-20-17 AT 06:08PM (MST)[p]Hey at least I can own a rock.

Jm77,

Since I own a rock does that qualify me as a "land baron"?

.

Y'all are banging out some gems tonight.

Oneye · Jul 20, 2017

Nothing more American than the opportunities and and wildness that America's public lands represent. Now, good day Tri, you'll get no more attention from me.

Tristate · Jul 20, 2017

>Nothing more American than the opportunities
>and and wildness that America's
>public lands

Except for maybe hard working men and women with a dream of ownership.

TOPGUN · Jul 20, 2017

Don't feed the Troll or this thread will break 100 and Founder will have to pay him more for all those "hits", LOL!

Joe2Kool · Jul 20, 2017

Definitely don't like the tone of the article. Especially because once the public land is privatized, it's off limits forever. Whether you are a hunter, hiker, camper, or anyone else that enjoys it, it's gone. Sure, sell the 1/4 acre between the Wal Mart and the interstate, but not the larger blocks. Even if it is the 1 square mile of BLM, keep it public...Just my humble opinion.

But I am a little confused. I thought just recently there were many comments against Zinke on here. The article made it sound like Zinke was for keeping it all public.

Oneye · Jul 20, 2017

Zinke and Trump are both on record as saying they do not wish to sale public lands. That is what he was referring to. He also basically mentions he hopes they can be persuaded into wanting to privatize public lands. So far after the first 6 months of Zinke as secretary, he hasn't done much to make me feel real good about him, in fact I don't know of anything that pertains to access, hunting, wildlife habitat, or stewardship of public lands that I would give him a gold star on, or even a bronze star for that matter. As has been stated many times ITS IN THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM. As a public land user from any part of life, I wouldn't trust a politician at any point especially when there are very few within that party who don't want to see public lands transferred and sold. If Zinke is true to his word, he is the exception, not the rule within the party that currently holds congress and the presidency, and he's in the vast minority. He's done nothing so far to tell me he isn't open to being persuaded. When Zinke basically said he wasn't going for a donation of 1,400 acres to open access up to the only landlocked wilderness in the US because a stipulation to the donation would be the donated acreage would be classified as wilderness, I lost a lot of faith in Zinke and his true positions and goals as it pertains to public lands and access to them.

pufftuffly · Jul 21, 2017

>
>Hey at least I can own
>a rock.

>
>Jm77,
>
>Since I own a rock does
>that qualify me as a
>"land baron"?

.
>

Hey Pudge,
No it doesn't qualify you as a land baron you're just a pieon who has to beg your massa for permission hunt. Sucks to be you don't it?

txhunter58 · Jul 21, 2017

As said in a song I love:

"Now his life is full of wonder but his heart still knows some fear
Of a simple thing he cannot comprehend
Why they try to tear the mountains down to bring in a couple more
More people, more scars upon the land"

There is nothing more American than having some land to own and PRESERVING some land forever for all. Thank goodness for Teddy Roosevelt and others.

Texas is a good example of where private land takes us. My Grandad had 10,000 acres and 10 kids. My Dad got 1000 as did his brothers/sisters and I have 2 siblings. We plan to keep it together, but our kids could easily split it up. The ranch just south of us was bought by a developer and a 1200 acre ranch is now in 50 acre tracts each with 3-5 deer feeders on each "lot".

In the mountain states, more and more winter range (not an issue in Texas) is becoming housing subdivisions and golf courses. Neither what is happening in Texas or western states is good for the wildlife.

Are there some limited tracts of public lands that should be sold? Absolutely, but those who favor generalized selling of public lands should probably just head to Pandora.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

Tristate · Jul 21, 2017

"Neither what is happening in Texas or western states is good for the wildlife."

Really????? DO you know the mule deer population in Texas is expanding????? How about the fact that we have more desert bighorn now than when the Spaniards explored our state.???? How about the trans pecos antelope restoration project and the eastern wild turkey restoration.????

DO you know golf courses are becoming less and less profitable and in many metropolitan areas they are being closed.

Where did Granddad's ranch come from? How did private lands originate????? Do you ever wonder why so many rural properties are getting subdivided at a faster and faster pace????

The fact is there are good and bad things happening to wildlife here and there. But overall Texas is doing really well on a private land system which has existed for well over a century and a wildlife department that has worked very well with landowners since it was the oyster commission.

Do you like giant South Texas whitetail??? We have tons of them that bring millions and millions of dollars in revenue to our state. Guess what all that habitat that is some of the highest price whitetail property in the USA used to all be antelope and mule deer country. That's right years of bad range practices totally refaced the state and made it bad for some species but even better for others. And we have capitalized on it. Think positive.

How about Texas driving the screw worm out of the USA. Go talk to grandpa about the days when screw worm was about. There were lots of areas in Texas that finding a deer was a heck of a challenge because of screw worm. Private land money working with scientists TO SATISFY DEMAND changed that. NOT PUBLIC LAND AND A GOVERNMENT HANDOUT.

Your post just looks like a bunch of selective memory.

Oneye · Jul 21, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-17 AT 04:19PM (MST)[p]Txhunter58, Don't pay any mind to that disease called Tristate. I don't care to see this post taken down a messy path.

txhunter58 · Jul 21, 2017

Don't worry.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

pufftuffly · Jul 21, 2017

"DO you know the mule deer population in Texas is expanding?????"

Yall have any proof to this Pudge? Or is this some more of yalls hypothetical nonsense? Yea didn't think so.

"How about the fact that we have more desert bighorn now than when the Spaniards explored our state????"

Yea and yall have more African game than when the spaniards were around too.
What's y'alls point Pudge?

txhunter58 · Jul 21, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-17 AT 08:52PM (MST)[p]Puffy. Take a look here and give it some thought:

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

tx_packmule · Jul 21, 2017

>"DO you know the mule deer
>population in Texas is expanding?????"
>
>
>Yall have any proof to this
>Pudge? Or is this some
>more of yalls hypothetical nonsense?
>Yea didn't think so.
>
>"How about the fact that we
>have more desert bighorn now
>than when the Spaniards explored
>our state????"
>
>Yea and yall have more African
>game than when the spaniards
>were around too.
>What's y'alls point Pudge?

Our wildlife populations are on the upswing, even elk migrating in. It's not discrediting the great work other states do with limited resources, but things are just different here in terms of individual ability to manage instead of blanket mgmt policies. Even our public land (whitetail) are improving at a rapid pace to where it's worthwhile for out-of-staters to come in to hunt during rut.

Oneye · Jul 21, 2017

That's great, I hope wildlife are doing great in Texas, but you can keep Texas. I would never wish Texas on the broad expanses of the west any day.

grizzly · Jul 21, 2017

Does anybody else have an urge to find a whitetail forum in Alabama and spend hours trolling it?

Yeah, me neither.

Grizzly

tx_packmule · Jul 21, 2017

>That's great, I hope wildlife are
>doing great in Texas, but
>you can keep Texas. I
>would never wish Texas on
>the broad expanses of the
>west any day.

I don't really want to see it come to that either as far as the land goes.

pufftuffly · Jul 21, 2017

Well Grizz if your life was as pathetic as Pudge's, the hours spent trolling the internet would seem like utopia.

Watch the internet troll episode of South Park, it will all make sense then.

pufftuffly · Jul 21, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-17
>AT 08:52?PM (MST)
>
>Puffy. Take a look here
>and give it some thought:
>
>
>

>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)

I realize that tx.
Pudge hasn't responded to any of my Comments in months so I'm not too worried about feeding the pig. I know he reads them tho.

txhunter58 · Jul 22, 2017

>
>Our wildlife populations are on the
>upswing, even elk migrating in.
> It's not discrediting the
>great work other states do
>with limited resources, but things
>are just different here in
>terms of individual ability to
>manage instead of blanket mgmt
>policies. Even our public land
>(whitetail) are improving at a
>rapid pace to where it's
>worthwhile for out-of-staters to come
>in to hunt during rut.
>

Never said that wildlife populations in Texas weren't doing well. Just said that ranches breaking up into small "ranchetes" and subdivisions wasn't good for wildlife. And there are more examples of that every day in my neck of the woods. On the other side of the coin, there are some great stewards of wildlife and the land in Texas. Hopefully I am one of them. I love what we have in Texas, and I love what public land gives me in other states. It is not a competition, we can enjoy both.

One of Americas founding principles was private ownership of property including land. But some of those early leaders were smart enough to realize that the end result of privatizing can take things too far and preserved some of our nation for wildlife for all Americans to enjoy.

The land is still "owned". It is just that "we the people" own it, not the government. Thru government, we make the rules of that ownership, and that from time to time those rules need to be revisited. But not sold off.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

hossblur · Jul 24, 2017

No one tell Tri that western states have expanding game populations, and make millions from hunting them, it would not fit his ideaolog. Don't tell him that the west doesn't look to Texas as a success story, and in fact uses Texas as a horror story of what could happen. Lets keep that all "in house".

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

Tristate · Jul 24, 2017

Hossblur,

Have you ever hunted in Texas?

hossblur · Jul 25, 2017

No. But I'm old school, unless forced by law(Alaska), I'm DIY.

Can you explain to me how fenced in, strictly guided hunting follows the "American spirit" you so often co-op? If any state should honor rugged individualism, I would of thought Texas first. Seems your ancestors were not fans of fences, boundaries, or borders. Yet you embrace them.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

Tristate · Jul 25, 2017

There is millions and millions of acres of no high fence, self guided hunting right here in Texas. My ancestors were for private ownership and title. Maybe you should take a trip to Texas some time and try a hunt instead of taking the word of the people around you that have nothing better to do than hate something they know absolutely nothing about.

hossblur · Jul 25, 2017

Self guided RANCH, and public land aren't the same, and I know you know better.

As for your "title" line, pretty sure Mexico held "title. So did all the "sod busters" that barb wired between Texas and Kansas. In fact, history shows us bullets flew over barb wire.

You will never get it. To you hunting is a planned trip. A business arrangement. To us, its a way of life. Your lectures on the subject are hollow, you have zero basis of understanding.

As for "come hunt Texas", why should I? Short of pigs, what does it offer? I know its quaint to you, and I realize that there is a population on your side, but the idea of Texas hunting saddens me. It is more and more agriculture, less and less hunting.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

pookiebar · Jul 26, 2017

You are an absolute tool. Up until now I've tried to give you some room and figured people on here are just razing you. But to say wanting public ground kept public is in American shows you're a total and complete azzhat!!