Grizzly bears delisted

Awesome.

I am sure the antis will try and get them umbrella'd under the marine mammal protection act. :D
 
They open season like the wolves with a trophy/predator zone I will be on my horse and be there now. So pilgrim you skin Grizz.

DZ
 
The facts don't support your point puff.

Wyoming fought hard to obtain the wolf management plan that was right for Wyoming. When you look at overall wolf populations and distribution, Wyoming is far better off than Idaho and Montana. Even though we have had to fight for our State's Rights to manage wildlife according to our desires, it is going to be better for Wyoming. Wolves are also delisted here in Wyoming and we will once again resume State management over wolves. Interesting that even though Wyoming has not been able to manage wolves within our State; yet, wolf numbers have been contained as has their distribution.

And for the record, WY SFW didn't claim the credit for the removal of federal protections because WY SFW knows that this has happened because a lot of organizations have been pushing for it. Furthermore, the WGFD has done an excellent job obtaining population level data, which has been essential for this to happen. WY SFW was the only group attending G&F Commission meetings when some wanted to stop spending money and effort on continuing to collect the data, even when some of the Commissioners which were seen as being friendly to WY SFW were talking about stopping it.
 
"Wyoming has not been able to manage wolves within our State; yet, wolf numbers have been contained as has their distribution." Bob what helped with this containment? There can't be too many SSS.
 
>The facts don't support your point
>puff.
>
WY SFW
>was the only group attending
>G&F Commission meetings when some
>wanted to stop spending money
>and effort on continuing to
>collect the data, even when
>some of the Commissioners which
>were seen as being friendly
>to WY SFW were talking
>about stopping it.

Is that why you haven't attended a commission meeting in quite some time?

I haven't seen you at one for a long time...in fact, ever since Commissioner Crank asked you some questions, not sure you've been to a single one???
 
Deerlove, you know me better than that. I have never condoned breaking the law, ever.

Wyoming has less wolves because of the battles Wyoming fought foe it's Wolf Management Plan. At first, the USF&WS didn't back our plan; however, once they realized that our plan was correct and more importantly, defensible, they have supported it. The vast majority of Wyoming is not suitable wolf habitat, just as Wyoming stated.

People fail to understand that even under federal protection animals are still removed through agency action. The same is true for both wolves and grizzly bears.

WY SFW has advocated for Sportsmen to be the primary source of removal rather than agencies. Our next fight will likely be to establish a hunting season for grizzly bears. Hopefully, we can obtain a hunting season. I doubt it will be this year but I would welcome and defend that should the WGFD decide to go that way.
 
Buzz, once again you prove my point. Where were you in 2003-2005? That was when we had G&F Commissioners that were trying to push for delisting of grizzly bears and not getting a lot of support. In order to garner support, one of the things they discussed was having the WGFD stop paying for grizzly bear management until they had authority over them. Seems pretty logical, after all Wyoming had been carrying the costs for grizzly bears for several decades, recovery goals had been met and exceeded for a decade but nothing was happening. You weren't there. The only group that was there besides WY SFW was the Wyoming Wildlife Federation.

I do go to G&F Commission meetings when I believe it is warranted or necessary. In fact, I was at the last G&F Commission meeting and I don't recall seeing you there.

I have been watching them online as well. I haven't seen you there but I guess with their new online coverage of G&F Commission meetings you don't need to attend to see what they are doing. It would be nice if we could submit comments online but it would most likely become so burdensome that it would stop the G&F Commission from getting anything done.

So what about BHA, are you guys willing to go to the mat for a grizzly bear hunting season?
 
Hey Buzz long time no hear from you. Good to see a post from you. Some things we disagree on but hunting and getting the family involved out weighs those.

Hope all is well with you and yours, DZ
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-17 AT 03:39PM (MST)[p]Yea right; SFW and BGF helped on the bear situation about like they did such great things screwing the wolf situation up and then had the balls to take credit for removing the wolves from the ESA in Idaho and Montana---NOT!!! Also, IMHO if the three states are smart they won't even think about having any seasons on bears for the first couple years even if the huggers can't get them relisted. Even if they do there will be single digit tags in each state to lesson the chance of number problems down the line.
 
I say get some tags in all three states, a conservative number. Manage populations while we can just like wolves. The environmental groups will fight this with or with out hunts.
 
>So what about BHA, are you
>guys willing to go to
>the mat for a grizzly
>bear hunting season?


We will be right there supporting a sound grizzly bear management plan.
 
>>The facts don't support your point
>>puff.
>>
> WY SFW
>>was the only group attending
>>G&F Commission meetings when some
>>wanted to stop spending money
>>and effort on continuing to
>>collect the data, even when
>>some of the Commissioners which
>>were seen as being friendly
>>to WY SFW were talking
>>about stopping it.
>
>Is that why you haven't attended
>a commission meeting in quite
>some time?
>
>I haven't seen you at one
>for a long time...in fact,
>ever since Commissioner Crank asked
>you some questions, not sure
>you've been to a single
>one???

Takes a Wolf or Grizzly Thread to Bring the Wolf Lovers back for a Post!










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>
>
>>So what about BHA, are you
>>guys willing to go to
>>the mat for a grizzly
>>bear hunting season?
>
>
>We will be right there supporting
>a sound grizzly bear management
>plan.

JM77 said it perfectly.
 
Buzz, neither you nor Jeff said anything about a hunt. It's a simple question; will BHA (you guys) be supporting a grizzly bear hunt or not?
 
Topgun - Do you think it will be any easier to wait for a couple years before we hunt grizzly bears or should we stand behind the fact that grizzly bears are recovered and well above recovery goals and objectives?

How many grizzly bears are removed annually through agency action?

As I said before, no one was there when critical decisions were being made except for WY SFW and WWF. BGF wasn't even on the scene.

WY SFW has been behind Wyoming's Wolf Management Plan from the beginning. As I stated earlier, I believe Wyoming is in a much better position than either Idaho or Montana. You are entitled to your opinion but you cannot dispute the facts that Wyoming has less wolves and in a smaller geographical area. This was by design and it was what Wyoming wanted.
 
>>>The facts don't support your point
>>>puff.
>>>
>> WY SFW
>>>was the only group attending
>>>G&F Commission meetings when some
>>>wanted to stop spending money
>>>and effort on continuing to
>>>collect the data, even when
>>>some of the Commissioners which
>>>were seen as being friendly
>>>to WY SFW were talking
>>>about stopping it.
>>
>>Is that why you haven't attended
>>a commission meeting in quite
>>some time?
>>
>>I haven't seen you at one
>>for a long time...in fact,
>>ever since Commissioner Crank asked
>>you some questions, not sure
>>you've been to a single
>>one???
>
>Takes a Wolf or Grizzly Thread
>to Bring the Wolf Lovers
>back for a Post!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650
>is a Little Close &
>I'm Not Comfortable with it!
>
>
>A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards
>will Still Make Some Good
>BRAGGIN Rights so I Can
>Say I At Least Hit
>Him!
>
>
>
>
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Lmao!
 
>Buzz, neither you nor Jeff said
>anything about a hunt. It's
>a simple question; will BHA
>(you guys) be supporting a
>grizzly bear hunt or not?
>

What do you think Bob?

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-17 AT 03:46AM (MST)[p]For a while they had them list in the Trophy species section in the WYG&F Regs with a non-ressy fee of $6,500.00 for a tag.

Any chatter going on about the tag fee's once a hunt has been established?

Robb

PS- Good to Read from ya Buzz.
 
>Buzz, neither you nor Jeff said
>anything about a hunt. It's
>a simple question; will BHA
>(you guys) be supporting a
>grizzly bear hunt or not?
>


"Supporting" a hunt and "pressing" for hunting them are two different approaches, so IMHO we need to be very careful about how we come off on that!
 
Bob, way out in front of the grizzly season.

We supported Chapter 67 regulations over a year ago and sent our comments. Worked closely with J. Kondelis and his group.

For the record, I applied for the only 3 spring grizzly seasons in the early 90's in Montana before they stopped hunting them all-together. I regret not hunting them in the fall, as it was an unlimited, OTC tag with a mortality quota. Doubtful we will ever see OTC tags in WY, MT, or ID again, likely be all limited quota tags. That's fine with me, and I will be applying.

I supported Montana's season when I lived there, and see no reason to not support MT, ID, and WY with their seasons as long as bears stay above population numbers to keep them off the list.

I'm confident the WYGF Department and their season proposal will ensure proper grizzly management.
 
>Buzz, neither you nor Jeff said
>anything about a hunt. It's
>a simple question; will BHA
>(you guys) be supporting a
>grizzly bear hunt or not?
>


And by the way Bob, I noticed the insinuation that BHA Wyoming is "(you guys)". Just so you know the Wyoming Chapter BHA has a membership (names and all, over 300 now I believe) and we have a real board with members around the state. Our board actually meets and discusses things like grizzly bear delisting and management. Even license allocation has been a recent discussion!

You should join, it's easy to do...
 
"How many grizzly bears are removed annually through agency action?"

In 2015 85 grizzlies were killed in the Yellowstone ecosystem from being hit by cars, euthanized, agency action or from whatever. Seems like a good percentage of the population to me. If the mortality rate stays at that pace there will be no season on grizzlies. I don't know what the 2016 number is.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-17 AT 09:06PM (MST)[p]A couple of Saturdays ago, I was out hiking on some USFS public land. I inadvertently stumbled on 5 grizzly bears consuming a couple of Angus heifers. There was a sow and two cubs and a sow with one cub. They all ran off. I glassed the heifers and it looked like they had just started chewing on one of the heifers. I don't know if the cows got into the Larkspur or if they had been killed by the bears or other predators. I had no intention of getting in for a closer look.

I really didn't know if I should contact the USFS range management guy or the Game and Fish person for the area. I did both. The WGF guy on Saturday got an answering machine message. The USFS range management guy I personally talked to on the following Monday. I was in the office for something unrelated. The WG&F guy didn't try to contact me for a few days and we never got together on the phone. About a week later, I was in the same area again, and noticed the heifers were gone and saw no sign of the bears.

With the change in status for the bears, I really don't know what a person is supposed to do. These bears were adjacent to a USFS road that does have some public travel. This is just a dilemma that I have been faced with only once before. I have never gotten feedback from any agency after reporting on a bear situation. What should you do? If they don't give a rip, should I just ignore the situation?

just sayin...mh
 
>Nice
>The new administration are doing some
>things right finally.

Actually, this had nothing to do with the current administration. Funny thing is all the ecos will throw there blame at him and all the hillbillies will laud him. Just shows how truly apathetic both sides are.
 
MH,

It's got to be the G&F you call for sure. Not very encouraging if G&F didn't do their best to contact you and get the details.

Jeff
 
To Call the USFS would be the Same as Calling PETA!

I'll see if I can look that number up for you!







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