Eastman's vs KUIU

grizzly

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Most of us know about the KUIU/Eastman litigation, and none of us likely know the whole story there, but here's the part that rubs me wrong.

Did anybody notice the high-end rain gear review in Eastman this month? The EHJ 162 for Aug/Sept covered Sitka, Badlands, Kryptek, and First Lite... but to leave out KUIU makes the whole comparison incomplete and potentially worthless. Hopefully it's not due to the pending litigation.

I don't know where KUIU would've stacked up against the others, but I sure would've liked the opportunity to find out and certainly the KUIU products belong in the conversation of high-end rain gear.

I sure hope the two companies get this sorted out, otherwise the Eastman comparison articles aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Plus, it's never good to have two players in the hunting industry fighting it out with each other instead of focusing on their products.

And in case I was reading too much into that omission and thinking it might be an accident, I decided to check one more thing. Of the 10 hunter's stories in EBJ 102 for July/August... six of them had the name of their clothing brand mentioned in the "Equipment" section at the end of the article (none of them were KUIU). Three of the other guys were clearly wearing KUIU in the pictures but the "clothing" tab was conspicuously absent from their "Equipment" section, effectively keeping the name KUIU out of print; and the 4th guy was wearing solids that were unnamed and indiscernible (though they looked like they could be a KUIU merino with Guide Vest).

The EHJ 162 had 11 stories, eight of which named non-KUIU brands, one was unnamed and two used KUIU by name. Hopefully this means Eastman is progressing and is going to quit the childish camo game and focus on the animals/hunter/equipment in the most forthcoming light.

I'm not here to make judgments about the lawsuits, I just hope the comparison articles and published stories are done in a way to best represent information to the subscribers. Otherwise, why even read the articles?

Grizzly
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-17 AT 08:01AM (MST)[p]All I will say is that Eastmans sucks after what they did a couple years ago taking away the MRS digital edition from all of us subscribers that had paid good money for it with no notice and then in their "big digital change" they asked us to all pay more money for it! I filed a complaint with the Wyoming AG on behalf of a dozen members of the website and got banned from the site, but they did send me a refund for $40 and told me I didn't fit in with "their company philosophies", whatever that is, LOL! However, they screwed thousands of subscribers for thousands of dollars, never offered an apology or compensation to everyone else that was involved and, therefore, as far as I'm concerned they can kiss my rear!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-17 AT 08:40AM (MST)[p]
>I am a Kryptek and King's
>Camo guy so I could
>careless about the lawsuit ect.
>
>
>Robb

I've never used Kryptek, but I love First Lite. With that said, before I dropped $1,000 on pricey rain gear, I'd want to know I was getting the best gear on the market and not relying on some condensed "he's being mean to me" review.

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And yes, mulecreek, it's about time to go huntin. ;-)

Grizzly
 
Grizz you should of mentioned the reason for the lawsuit, they told Kuiu they had X amount of subscribers and they didn't.
 
A few things worth pointing out here. First, they may be acting on the advice of council, as anything negative they had to say (which they would certainly have something to critique in order to be a true review) could be sighted as "slander" in court and be held against them.

On the other side of it though, most of the "reviews" I've read in these magazines are biased towards the companies that pay them to advertise.
 
>You can't kill big bucks unless
>you're wearing $2000 in clothing.
>
I just ordered a telescope for my 22 LR so I could back up 1000 yards! And now I gotta buy $2000 camo rainsuits too? Krap!!

:D :D
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-17 AT 04:46PM (MST)[p]>A few things worth pointing out
>here. First, they may be
>acting on the advice of
>council, as anything negative they
>had to say (which they
>would certainly have something to
>critique in order to be
>a true review) could be
>sighted as "slander" in court
>and be held against them.
>
>
>On the other side of it
>though, most of the "reviews"
>I've read in these magazines
>are biased towards the companies
>that pay them to advertise.
>


I doubt that their reviews would have anything to do one way or the other regarding the lawsuit because all that is being contested to the best of my knowledge was the fact that they supposed really overstated their membership rolls in order to gain more advertising dollars from their advertisers based on that false membership count. As bad as their MRS section is with many mistakes it wouldn't surprise me if their membership count was also screwed up, whether intentional or not!
 
It looks like they are working on a settlement. Neither party can afford the attorney's fees associated with going to trial and beyond. The publicity for Eastman's if they were to lose would not be good. If settled, it is highly unlikely that the terms will be disclosed to the public. There would also be no admission of liability. I haven't subscribed to Eastman's for a long time. Guy and Ike are not bad fellows. Mike is another story. I own no KUIU clothing and don't plan to buy any in the future. I don't have a dog in the hunt. Just a waste of a lot of money that ultimately the consumer will be paying for down the road.

just sayin...mh
 
Holy crap $1000.00 on rain gear? This cannot be real....I have Frogg Toggs, and they keep me absolutely dry , and they were just shy of that $1000 price....HAHAHA
 
When it rains I strip down to my $500 Camo Rain Thong (Sitka brand, Optifade Open country). I like the idea that if I had bought the full rain suit I'd be out another $500. :-(
 
>Holy crap $1000.00 on rain gear?
>This cannot be real....I have
>Frogg Toggs, and they keep
>me absolutely dry , and
>they were just shy of
>that $1000 price....HAHAHA

Bullll!!

I have never seen Frogg Toggs in a commercial worn buy some steroid eating, bearded, face painted dude on some rocky ridgeline somewhere deep in the Canadian Rockies, with a 7 point bull on his pack. Therefore, its obvious they could never work!

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Wow , never heard this before. I've always appreciated the professionalism of Eastman's and the knowledge that Mike especially brought to the program. He seems like an amicable person whereas Guy seemed not to be. Curious to know what the rub was beteween these two companies.

Kuiu seems like top notch rain/field gear but seems to run a bit small like Sitka. I've played football and lifted heavily for most of my life, so If you're corn fed like me the fit is not conducive. I'm not huge either. 38"w/54" chest and it is difficult to find pants or even jackets that don't like I bought them a size too small.

I don't want to hi jack so would it be possible to PM about King's Camo raingear?
 

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