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Sep-14-17, 
05:19 AM (MST)
"Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

It is if nothing else good humor reading some of these Long range shooting posts. Who am I to judge someone else's ability to execute a 1000 yard shot. Given the push in the weapons industry to produce out of the box rifles that are capable of 1000 yard plus accuracy from a bench, at a range, using match grade ammo. The above statement is the key. Bench shooting is not hunting. Yes I can take my trusty Ruger M77 chambered in .270 to the range and produce and nice group at 700 yards. However this is just bench accuracy, which I feel is next to imposable to replicated in the field. Reasons: Heart rate, quality of rest, Sage brush does not make the best bench rest, nor does that 400 dollar backpack that you have been bragging about. Adrelaline is cursing through you veins, sage pollen is blurring your vision and that buck is moving then stopping and with your turret dialed into the correct range you snuggle into your stock to make the shot. Wait, what is the angle to the target, how many wind variations are there between me and my attended trophy. Well as for me there are just to many variables for me to make that shot. Now I know there are shooters who can and do make these shots. I just feel that for the most of us this is not the case. Just because you have that Sub MOA rifle and the assurance from the manufacturer that the rifle is capable, does not by any stretch of the imagination make you Chris Kyle.
I have witnessed ridge hunters in Wyoming taking 1000 yard shots at running elk, going through boxes of ammo. If a animal does not fall they just keep shooting. And most never go to investigate to actually verify if there is a wounded animal. This scenario plays out in all the western states every year. We hunters are all human, we all make mistakes. What we have to do is learn from our mistakes and try not to repeat them again. So if you want to be a long range shooter, by all means it is your right. I would just ask that you hone your skills and practice them all year long. Then when the season opens you take that shot only if you are 100% confident that you can make an ethicial shot. Me I'm just going to stay within my limits, not my rifles limits. And as for those Flatty's, at least they take the tag of the brim. As for the power shake, again not for me. I like my power shake in the form of Bacon and eggs. Just sayin

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: Hail Mary,...  DW      Sep-14-17   1 
  RE: Hail Mary,...  BigJohnson      Sep-14-17   2 
   RE: Hail Mary,...  Zeke      Sep-14-17   3 
   RE: Hail Mary,...  cacklercrazy      Sep-14-17   4 
    RE: Hail Mary,...  Millsworks      Sep-14-17   5 
     RE: Hail Mary,...  DW      Sep-15-17   6 
 RE: Hail Mary,...  hornsrus      Sep-15-17   7 
  RE: Hail Mary,...  DIY      Sep-18-17   8 
   RE: Hail Mary,...  elkfromabove      Sep-19-17   9 

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DW
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Sep-14-17, 
06:32 AM (MST)
1. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

Perhaps they should go afield with 1 round. Snipers creed and all.


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Sep-14-17, 
11:28 AM (MST)
2. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

I'm not a fan of more regulations but I would like to see a law where hunters have to physically follow up on every shot. Might make people think twice before lobbing rounds across canyons etc if they would have to march thier butts to look for blood after thier Hail Mary shots .

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Sep-14-17, 
12:45 PM (MST)
3. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

>I'm not a fan of more
>regulations but I would like
>to see a law where
>hunters have to physically follow
>up on every shot.
>Might make people think twice
>before lobbing rounds across canyons
>etc if they would have
>to march thier butts to
>look for blood after thier
>Hail Mary shots .

I like that! It's SOP in my camp and family and has been for as long as my memory serves.

If you shoot, you look and look and look long and hard!!! My daughters never give up on a shot since they think they never miss, and they're usually right.

Zeke

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Sep-14-17, 
01:48 PM (MST)
4. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

If I'm not right they have to follow up after shooting. If your 100 percent sure of miss no, but if not sure you need to or you could be liable for waunt and waste.

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Sep-14-17, 
07:34 PM (MST)
5. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

>If I'm not right they have
>to follow up after shooting.
>If your 100 percent sure
>of miss no, but if
>not sure you need to
>or you could be liable
>for waunt and waste.

Want and waste laws cover that in states that have that law in the game regs.

I would think it pretty uncommon for most to not follow up their shots at game.
Otherwise the land would be littered with dead animals after seasons. Haven't heard much of that occurring.

Except for the hear say on sites like this of course.

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Sep-15-17, 
09:24 AM (MST)
6. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

>>If I'm not right they have
>>to follow up after shooting.
>>If your 100 percent sure
>>of miss no, but if
>>not sure you need to
>>or you could be liable
>>for waunt and waste.
>
>Want and waste laws cover that
>in states that have that
>law in the game regs.
>
>
>I would think it pretty uncommon
>for most to not follow
>up their shots at game.
>
>Otherwise the land would be littered
>with dead animals after seasons.
>Haven't heard much of that
>occurring.
>
>Except for the hear say on
>sites like this of course.
>

Lol....

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hornsrus
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Sep-15-17, 
02:53 PM (MST)
7. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

>It is if nothing else good
>humor reading some of these
>Long range shooting posts. Who
>am I to judge someone
>else's ability to execute a
>1000 yard shot. Given the
>push in the weapons industry
>to produce out of the
>box rifles that are capable
>of 1000 yard plus accuracy
>from a bench, at a
>range, using match grade ammo.
>The above statement is the
>key. Bench shooting is not
>hunting. Yes I can take
>my trusty Ruger M77 chambered
>in .270 to the range
>and produce and nice group
>at 700 yards. However this
>is just bench accuracy, which
>I feel is next to
>imposable to replicated in the
>field. Reasons: Heart rate, quality
>of rest, Sage brush does
>not make the best bench
>rest, nor does that 400
>dollar backpack that you have
>been bragging about. Adrelaline is
>cursing through you veins, sage
>pollen is blurring your vision
>and that buck is moving
>then stopping and with your
>turret dialed into the correct
>range you snuggle into your
>stock to make the shot.
>Wait, what is the angle
>to the target, how many
>wind variations are there between
>me and my attended trophy.
>Well as for me there
>are just to many variables
>for me to make that
>shot. Now I know there
>are shooters who can and
>do make these shots. I
>just feel that for the
>most of us this is
>not the case. Just because
>you have that Sub MOA
>rifle and the assurance from
>the manufacturer that the rifle
>is capable, does not by
>any stretch of the imagination
>make you Chris Kyle.
>I have witnessed ridge hunters in
>Wyoming taking 1000 yard shots
>at running elk, going through
>boxes of ammo. If a
>animal does not fall they
>just keep shooting. And most
>never go to investigate to
>actually verify if there is
>a wounded animal. This scenario
>plays out in all the
>western states every year.
>We hunters are all human,
>we all make mistakes. What
>we have to do is
>learn from our mistakes and
>try not to repeat them
>again. So if you want
>to be a long range
>shooter, by all means it
>is your right. I would
>just ask that you hone
>your skills and practice them
>all year long. Then when
>the season opens you take
>that shot only if you
>are 100% confident that you
>can make an ethicial shot.
>Me I'm just going to
>stay within my limits, not
>my rifles limits. And as
>for those Flatty's, at least
>they take the tag of
>the brim. As for the
>power shake, again not for
>me. I like my power
>shake in the form of
>Bacon and eggs. Just sayin
>
Surely you didn't mean to say that this happens in Wyoming. I'm pretty sure this only happens in Utah.

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DIY
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Sep-18-17, 
01:44 PM (MST)
8. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

No I am fairly sure I was in the Cowboy state when I was watching this carnival arcade style shooting deluge. And all the ridge runners were residents, they were letting us greenies be their "dogs". Between Kemmerer and Cokeville. However it is just mere miles to Utah, so it could have been some Utards that snuck across the border.

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elkfromabove
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Sep-19-17, 
10:34 AM (MST)
9. "RE: Hail Mary, by the grace of God."

Utah 2017 Big Game Field Regulations Guidebook, Page 46 "Waste of Game":
..... "In addition, you may not kill or cripple a big game animal without making a reasonable effort to retrieve it. You must immediately kill any animal you wound and tag the animal."

I suppose you can make up your own mind what is "reasonable", but the CO and/or judge may have a different view. In any case, long range shooters/hunters are responsible for the results of pulling the trigger just as much as any other shooter/hunter, and a thorough follow-up is the responsibility for both.

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