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mmwb
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Sep-16-17, 
07:18 PM (MST)
"Increasing access..."

http://whackstarhunters.com/zinke-orders-increased-access-hunters-anglers/

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: Increasing...  dillon      Sep-16-17   1 
  RE: Increasing...  elkfromabove      Sep-16-17   2 
   RE: Increasing...  hossblur      Sep-17-17   3 
    RE: Increasing...  arns      Sep-17-17   4 
 RE: Increasing...  Soj51hopefu...      Sep-18-17   5 
 RE: Increasing...  scubohuntr      Sep-18-17   6 
  RE: Increasing...  nontypical      Sep-18-17   7 
   RE: Increasing...  huntin50      Sep-19-17   8 
    RE: Increasing...  tailchasers      Sep-19-17   9 
     RE: Increasing...  tx_packmule      Sep-19-17   10 
      RE: Increasing...  hossblur      Sep-19-17   11 

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dillon
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Sep-16-17, 
07:43 PM (MST)
1. "RE: Increasing access..."

I want that job. They could start by opening the roads that have been fenced off and run a skid steer down them with a grapple to move logs off the road.

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elkfromabove
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Sep-16-17, 
10:58 PM (MST)
2. "RE: Increasing access..."

Hopefully it does include "roads" that have been closed the last few years, some which were closed because, according to the NFS, they weren't considered or listed as roads even though they have been there and maintained for decades.

Also, it should open up some of the public land that is landlocked by private property.

And if this works like it is projected, it will put public federal land management in a much better light.

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hossblur
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Sep-17-17, 
07:15 AM (MST)
3. "RE: Increasing access..."

Anything in there about bitchslapping Rob Bishop or Gary Herbert? That would greatly help out with public land management.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

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arns
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Sep-17-17, 
05:02 PM (MST)
4. "RE: Increasing access..."

You will never see them open up more access to public ground.It will be just the opposite.A buddy of mine has a Wasatch moose tag and we went up on Wildcat and they closed every side road 3 weeks ago and they said the reason for the closure was the GREATER SAGE GROUSE.They will find any excuse to close a road.And roads that you and I took 20 years ago or even last year has been closed for one reason or another.

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Soj51hopefull
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Sep-18-17, 
07:20 AM (MST)
5. "RE: Increasing access..."

I don't know if the article is misquoted or what but it doesn't say the usfs is involved. It talks about Nps which we can't hunt. Good direction from Zinke anyway.

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Sep-18-17, 
09:16 AM (MST)
6. "RE: Increasing access..."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-17 AT 09:17 AM (MST)

More Trump administration sleight of hand. Roll out a vague, sweeping directive that drops the ball directly onto the agencies that are still reeling from budget cuts, without telling them exactly what they are supposed to do or how. Never mind that they don't have the budget or any legal authority to get it done. This way when nothing happens, the administration can blame it on the agencies, fire some people, and still count it as a win, without actually changing anything.

"Directing agencies to improve public access" is a smoke screen.

"Directing agencies to improve public access by:
1. Purchasing more easements to improve accessibility of "landlocked" parcels;
2. Reopening closed access roads;
3. Revising the land use lease policy;
4. etc...."
and providing the budget and legal authority to do it is progress.

I had cautiously high hopes for Zinke at first, but he has been first in line for the Trump Kool-Aid. Of course, if he wasn't he'd have been fired and replaced. There has been a definite pattern (not just in Interior, but across the administration) of tearing down the existing structure and then dumping the burden of replacing it on agencies that were never intended to create rules, but to administer already existing rules.

Call these things what they are- publicity stunts. The Trump administration rolls out something like this, and the hunters and fishermen cheer. Later, the (Trump-appointed) courts tell them the Constitution doesn't allow it, and the antis cheer, because they stopped those evil hunters. The intent is to get a technical win for both sides, and nothing actually changes.

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nontypical
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Sep-18-17, 
11:03 AM (MST)
7. "RE: Increasing access..."

It's called politics. Smoke and mirrors have been going on for eons.

As far as firing people constantly...no one ever said draining the swamp would be easy...

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huntin50
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Sep-19-17, 
04:18 PM (MST)
8. "RE: Increasing access..."

At least trump is trying to get some things done for sportsmen.

The liberal tree huger's want more wolves and predators, less access for sportsmen, more animals on ESA to protect the environment.

They want to band hunting, trapping, more restrictions all the time.

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Sep-19-17, 
05:33 PM (MST)
9. "RE: Increasing access..."

I'll believe it when I see it...

"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."

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tx_packmule
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Sep-19-17, 
08:06 PM (MST)
10. "RE: Increasing access..."

Maybe they'll pay landowners large chunks of $ for easements that the govt will need to maintain.

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hossblur
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Sep-19-17, 
08:58 PM (MST)
11. "RE: Increasing access..."

I was listening to Newbergs podcast the other day. He went deeper than I had thought. His belief, is that Bishop et al are purposefully star ing the agencies budgets so they can point to continued lack of good management as a reason for the states to take over.

I hadn't gone that far in my thoughts, but in a couple days of pondering, seems like it is less Alex Jonsey, more actual.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

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