Escalante National Park!!??

bighornhunter

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Looks like the repercussion of reducing the national monuments is adding yet another national park in Utah. In my honest opinion this move has nothing to do with adding conservation protection and all about a attempt to get financial gain and not listening to the locals and sportsmen that actually use the area. Nothing like backpacking in the middle of nowhere then running into a bunch of lost non-English speaking tourists...

[https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46211347&n...s-national-park-in-grand-staircase-escalante]
 
The same people that wanted to get rid of the Monument (which allowed ATV, hiking, biking camping, hunting, etc...) now want to make it a National Park; which will severely limit public access and completely prohibit many of the activities we have enjoyed there for generations.

Should've left it a Monument and all would be well.

Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know... remember that when the Land Grab rhetoric fires back up again.

Grizzly
 
A National Park would be the worst thing they could do with it. Bring in lots more people, close it off to hunting and most other uses. It's a very bad idea.
 
And then to add insult to injury...
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Paying for a new national park when the nation?s parks, including the five in Utah, are hundreds of millions of dollars behind in upkeep could be a challenge.

Stewart proposes as one option to use natural resources-based revenues from onshore and offshore oil and gas royalties to cover as much as half of national park maintenance costs.

Another consideration, he said, is the ?backpack tax,? a fee on camping gear similar to the surcharge on ammunition that funds wildlife management.
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They hate oil but love the money it brings.
 
The hunting/conservation groups Backcountry Hunters & Anglers and Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership both sent email blasts in support of keeping the monuments because they're good for hunting and conservation...

Sportsman for Fish & Wildlife sent at least two emails saying they were opposed to the monuments because they say they support multi-use (I thought SFW was supposed to be a hunting organization and not a multi-use organization, but I guess I was wrong). Let's see how quickly SFW sends an email blast opposing a National Park, which really will close hunting in the area as we know it.

Hunters need to start thinking for themselves and stop blindly supporting Republicans without considering the party's actual positions and how they negatively affect public land and outdoor recreation. Maybe then the Republican party would listen to hunters instead of ignoring them knowing hunters will vote Republican regardless of their positions on public lands and access. If outdoor recreation truly was important to Stewart and Herbert, they never would've jumped on this.

Grizzly
 
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>The hunting/conservation groups Backcountry Hunters
>& Anglers
and
>Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership

>both sent email blasts in
>support of keeping the monuments
>because they're good for hunting
>and conservation...
>
> Sportsman for Fish & Wildlife
>
sent at least two
>emails saying they were opposed
>to the monuments because they
>say they support multi-use (I
>thought SFW was supposed to
>be a hunting organization and
>not a multi-use organization, but
>I guess I was wrong)
.
>Let's see how quickly SFW
>sends an email blast opposing
>a National Park, which really
>will close hunting in the
>area as we know it.
>
>
>Hunters need to start thinking for
>themselves and stop blindly supporting
>Republicans without considering the party's
>actual positions and how they
>negatively affect public land and
>outdoor recreation. Maybe then the
>Republican party would listen to
>hunters instead of ignoring them
>knowing hunters will vote Republican
>regardless of their positions on
>public lands and access. If
>outdoor recreation truly was important
>to Stewart and Herbert, they
>never would've jumped on this.
>
>
>Grizzly

Did they send letters to prevent it from becoming a monument or blindly support it? I remember hearing recently how great monument status was from somebody on here. How many times do we need to see this play out before we realize monument status is the first step to closure?


#livelikezac
 
>How many
>times do we need to
>see this play out before
>we realize monument status is
>the first step to closure?

The idea that monument status is the first step toward closure is a fallacy perpetuated by those that want to mine/drill public lands "for the kids." Notice how the people that wanted to get rid of the Monument are the SAME as the ones that want to make it a National Park.

Did you notice Stewart just today started proposing more mining/drilling and the funds from those would go towards National Parks (where hunting isn't allowed)? Did you notice his proposed "backpack tax" to be charged on users of public lands?

These guys aren't our friends when it comes to maintaining public land and access... whether its for hunting, camping, ATV riding, shooting, hiking, etc... Their goal is "multi-use" which is of course predicated on how they can figure out profiting from public lands at the expense of the public (though their campaign accounts are rich with donations from those same mining/drilling companies).

Read this article (https://www.fieldandstream.com/sportsmans-view-national-monuments). It is impeccably researched and sourced showing that monuments largely protect public access and hunting and the fallacy of National Monuments being turned into National Parks is antiquated and fear-mongering under current management plans.

Grizzly
 
grizz,
I am 100% against Stewart and so are many others that I know personally. Yes I will be very interested to see the stance that SFW takes.

But I will also say this, Monday night I spent the evening social media fighting with members of the Backcountry Anglers and Hunters. It was clearly stated by their members that they would rather side with groups like The Sierra Club, Defenders of Wildlife, Earthjustice and others on this the Monument issue. In fact I believe they protested together at the capitol.

I find it very disturbing that Backcountry Anglers and Hunters would rather side with openly Anti Hunting organizations and choose to call out SFW a known pro hunting and pro conservation organization. You may disagree with SFW on certain public land stances, I know I personally do. But to openly side with groups that want to shutdown all hunting and fight aggressively to do so seem very narrow minded. At the end of the day SFW will always be pro hunting and the end of the day those other groups will be anti hunting.

Lets all remember that Sierra Club was originally a hunting organization. Makes me wonder where the road leads for Backcountry Anglers and Hunters if they are choosing to side with Anti hunting groups rather than pro hunting groups.

Hopefully the solution is in favor of hunters and public access. I know Stewart is not showing he is a friend of either!
 
>>How many
>>times do we need to
>>see this play out before
>>we realize monument status is
>>the first step to closure?
>
>The idea that monument status is
>the first step toward closure
>is a fallacy perpetuated by
>those that want to mine/drill
>public lands "for the kids."

>Grizzly

I guess we need to see it a few more times. You do know the definition of insanity right grizz?


#livelikezac
 
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>grizz,
>I am 100% against Stewart and
>so are many others that
>I know personally. Yes
>I will be very interested
>to see the stance that
>SFW takes.
>
>But I will also say this,
>Monday night I spent the
>evening social media fighting with
>members of the Backcountry Anglers
>and Hunters. It was
>clearly stated by their members
>that they would rather side
>with groups like The Sierra
>Club, Defenders of Wildlife, Earthjustice
>and others on this the
>Monument issue. In fact
>I believe they protested together
>at the capitol.
>
>I find it very disturbing that
>Backcountry Anglers and Hunters would
>rather side with openly Anti
>Hunting organizations and choose to
>call out SFW a known
>pro hunting and pro conservation
>organization. You may disagree
>with SFW on certain public
>land stances, I know I
>personally do. But to
>openly side with groups that
>want to shutdown all hunting
>and fight aggressively to do
>so seem very narrow minded.
> At the end of
>the day SFW will always
>be pro hunting and the
>end of the day those
>other groups will be anti
>hunting.
>
>Lets all remember that Sierra Club
>was originally a hunting organization.
> Makes me wonder where
>the road leads for Backcountry
>Anglers and Hunters if they
>are choosing to side with
>Anti hunting groups rather than
>pro hunting groups.
>
>Hopefully the solution is in favor
>of hunters and public access.
> I know Stewart is
>not showing he is a
>friend of either!

This post is exactly whats wrong with this country. We see our own fellow Americans as enemies and can't even stand the thought of compromise or coming together for the greater good. BHA took the right stance. They are a hunting organization and defend hunting, wildlife habitat, and our rights just as much as any other sportsman group. Show me the actual proof that BHA has ever stood for anything that is remotely anti-hunting or anti-wildlife. They haven't, so stop likening to antis.
 
One,
The comment was to Grizz who would have an understanding. Not you who rambles on about a 1 eyed deer. That's why I addressed it to grizz.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17 AT 01:16PM (MST)[p]>One,
>The comment was to Grizz who
>would have an understanding. Not
>you who rambles on about
>a 1 eyed deer.
>That's why I addressed it
>to grizz.


Oh okay....my comment was addressed to you.
 
DW, you clearly didn't take the time to read the article I posted as it explains well the relationship in Monuments to hunting and National Parks in recent history and how there is no longer a clear path that one begets the other. That was a common strategy generations ago, but hasn't been used in many decades.

The Monument status didn't lead to the National Park... the guys that wanted to STOP the Monument are the ones that are now pushing the National Park. If insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting a different result, I would think people would realize the Republican Party is no longer looking out for the benefits of hunters and public-land enthusiasts. And that it is time for hunters to vote for their beliefs and morals, not necessarily the party they registered under at the courthouse.

---------------

Muley73, I appreciate your honesty in admitting you sometimes disagree with SFW. I hope to see SFW be equally honest in admitting they sometimes disagree with the Republican Party by opposing the National Park. Historically, it appears they are more interested in keeping that relationship positive to maintain their taxpayer-funded welfare checks.

As for BHA and TRCP, they stand for hunting. The relationship among hunting and environmental groups has been changing in recent years. In fact, typically non-hunting groups like Patagonia, NEMO, and REI are listed as actual sponsors of TRCP and are now working with hunting groups to support public lands.

I am happy to see the pro-hunting coalition grow and hope to see a paradigm shift where "multi-use" means using public lands for multiple purposes (camping, hiking, hunting, backpacking, fishing, horseback riding, etc...) and we can all work together towards that goal. Imagine how unstoppable hunting groups would be with the non-hunting crowd joining forces and realizing we can be friends rather than foes.

A few years ago, NRA supported Harry Reid instead of Sharron Angle (a Tea-Party Republican) because NRA said Reid, though not of the typical pro-gun party, had been friendly to the 2nd Amendment and deserved their support. My point is that it is okay to cross partisan lines in support of your stated cause. SFW, if they choose to sit out of the National Park debate, will only cement their status as nothing but a shill for the Republican Party without intellectual honesty regarding their stated purpose of defending hunting causes.

I always appreciate an honest discussion among people. Its okay to disagree as long as we can be honest and forthright and respectful in our disagreement. Lets talk again soon.

Grizzly
 
Muley,
you need to look at BHA and their relationship with The Sierra club etc. like WWll.

Let's call BHA the United States.

We'll call the Sierra club etc. the Russians.

We'll refer to the public land grabbing douche bag Utards as the nazis.

And finally we'll call $FW Switzerland. You know, neutral Switzerland. The Switzerland that would turn downed allied airmen over to the nazis and where the nazis hid all their plundered goods.

So long story short. The US and the Russians came together to fight the greater evil, the nazis. They defeated the nazis and then immediately went back to becoming enemies again.

Meanwhile Switzerland sat on the sidelines claiming to be neutral but at the same time sucking off the nazis.

Even with an IQ of 73 you get the moral of the story, right?
 
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Puff,
Come up with your own jabs, Ne has the corner on IQ and 73. But that's what I'd expect from you. Never an original thought just the scrawny little loud mouth sidekick. You know the one I'm talking about. All the old movies use to have that role.

Grizz,
Your comment actually blew me away. That is exactly the point I have argued for the past 5 years on here. Exactly and yet you all scream about morals and siding with the devil to accomplish agendas I supported. Now you stand there and try to explain that philosophy to me like I don't understand? Holy Shiiit! Truly amazing how humans justify. It's all good, I hope all groups oppose the National Park. I hope others recognize the hipocracy of your comments, doubtful but that is what it is. Maybe at least you're learning how the political game is played.
 
>Exactly and yet you
>all scream about morals and
>siding with the devil to
>accomplish agendas I supported.

>But maybe at least you're learning
>how the political game is
>played.

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What you obviously don't understand is that SFW is nothing but political and their agenda is not one we support. Be careful not to conflate the two.

Grizzly
 
Grizz,
You're completely missing the point, conveniently and narrow mindedly. If it helps me it's ok to do but outside of that I'll ride my long legged moral pony around the square. That's what you're saying whether you own it or not.

Your BHA members where all about REI. In fact some employees. REI, the group that donated heavily to Defenders of Wildlife. That heavily funded and aggressively helped lead the fight in reintroducing wolves in the lower 48. Which when pointed out to the BHA memebers they immediately responded we are 100% in favor of wolf reintroduction so it's not an issue. Recent article in the Oregon Outdoor Council listed the 5 top companies hurting hunting the most. #1 was REI and #2 Patagonia. But you're ok to side with them because it helps your current immediate agenda. Let's put all hunters at risk because they agree with us on one issue. Many of you say oh the SFW does plenty of good but the bad out weighs any good they do. "You can't justify bad behavior because of the good". Yet that is exactly what you yourself is doing now. Zero difference!
 
Muley, that wasn?t meant as a jab at all. Just joking around with you but your angry, butthurt, bitter, grouchy ass can take it however you want.
Life must have kicked you in the balls hard. Good luck with whatever issues you're dealing with.
 
Puff,
I not butt hurt at all. Just looking for a little originality. Just like Don Knots was a great sidekick. Don't stress too much about my balls. Life is good, this is just the interweb media. :)
 
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>Puff,
>Come up with your own jabs,
>Ne has the corner on
>IQ and 73.


WTF did I do to get drug into this one. Let's review: Utards demand monument be reduced in order to drill baby, drill and mine baby mine. Thus the talking Yam complies and to show his allegiance he flies down to there to do it in Utah. Utards applaud and slap each other on the back like they just won the lottery. Then a Utard Representative decides he likes an area so much that he wants to turn it into a national park in order to keep it safe from the drill baby drill crowd. Thus ending current access for Utard Hunters to that area that was previously open to hunting.

That my friends is the ultimate Utard circle jerk that would results at the end of the day in less access for hunters and yet Utards and the talking Yam claim it as a win for hunters. It is almost like when my wife buys stuff "on sale" that I would never buy and tells me how much money I saved. Both actions cost me and neither is the right way to look at the reality of what is going down.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17
>AT 04:35?PM (MST)

>
>>
>>Puff,
>>Come up with your own jabs,
>>Ne has the corner on
>>IQ and 73.
>
>
>WTF did I do to get
>drug into this one.
>Let's review: Utards demand monument
>be reduced in order to
>drill baby, drill and mine
>baby mine. Thus the
>talking Yam complies and to
>show his allegiance he flies
>down to there to
>do it in Utah.
>Utards applaud and slap each
>other on the back like
>they just won the lottery.
> Then a Utard
>Representative decides he likes an
>area so much that he
>wants to turn it into
>a national park in order
>to keep it safe from
>the drill baby drill crowd.
> Thus ending current
>access for Utard Hunters to
>that area that was previously
>open to hunting.
>
>That my friends is the ultimate
>Utard circle jerk that would
>results at the end of
>the day in less access
>for hunters and yet Utards
>and the talking Yam claim
>it as a win for
>hunters. It is almost
>like when my wife buys
>stuff "on sale" that I
>would never buy and tells
>me how much money I
>saved. Both actions
>cost me and neither is
>the right way to look
>at the reality of what
>is going down.
>
>The enemy of my enemy is
>my friend.
>
>Nemont

When You Hook on to your Boat With Your F'N Electric Powered F'N PRIUS Let us know how that works out SMART Guy!

We'll still be using Oil/Gas to Charge that GUTLESS Little Bastard but at Least We won't be getting the Gas & Oil where you Think We Shouldn't!










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>When You Hook on to your
>Boat With Your F'N Electric
>Powered F'N PRIUS Let us
>know how that works out
>SMART Guy!
>
>We'll still be using Oil/Gas to
>Charge that GUTLESS Little Bastard
>but at Least We won't
>be getting the Gas &
>Oil where you Think We
>Shouldn't!
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>She Don't Just Rain She Pours!
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>That Girl Right There's The Perfect
>Storm!
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Elkass,

Only your gay lover and you will be driving a Prius to pull a boat.

Do tell about how much oil is locked up in the proposed National Park. Is it more that in the Bakken out my front door? Or once again are you spouting Elkass fake facts with the Elkass fake research to make another invalid and idiotic Elkass post?

Nemont
 
>
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>>When You Hook on to your
>>Boat With Your F'N Electric
>>Powered F'N PRIUS Let us
>>know how that works out
>>SMART Guy!
>>
>>We'll still be using Oil/Gas to
>>Charge that GUTLESS Little Bastard
>>but at Least We won't
>>be getting the Gas &
>>Oil where you Think We
>>Shouldn't!
>>
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>>She Don't Just Rain She Pours!
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>>That Girl Right There's The Perfect
>>Storm!
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90087hankjr.jpg

>
>Elkass,
>
>Only your gay lover and you
>will be driving a Prius
>to pull a boat.
>
>Do tell about how much oil
>is locked up in the
>proposed National Park. Is
>it more that in the
>Bakken out my front door?
> Or once again
>are you spouting Elkass fake
>facts with the Elkass fake
>research to make another invalid
>and idiotic Elkass post?
>
>Nemont

PRIUS?

Or LEZBARU Tough Guy?










She Don't Just Rain She Pours!

That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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LowIQ_73,

You Utards are just like the Taliban but the question is how much oil would this national park lock up? Can you explain this or are you and elkass driving the Prius headed to a gay rendezvous?

I don't think a new national park is the right thing to do but why should I care about you Utards and your civil war over this? Nobody from Utah helped us when the wolf reintroduction took place. Explain why we should not hope you get hosed?

Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17
>AT 07:01?PM (MST)

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>LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17
>AT 07:00?PM (MST)

>
>LowIQ_73,
>
>You Utards are just like the
>Taliban but the question is
>how much oil would this
>national park lock up? Can
>you explain this or are
>you and elkass driving the
>Prius headed to a gay
>rendezvous?
>
>I don't think a new national
>park is the right thing
>to do but why should
>I care about you Utards
>and your civil war over
>this? Nobody from Utah
>helped us when the wolf
>reintroduction took place. Explain
>why we should not hope
>you get hosed?
>
>Nemont

Boy are You F'N Blind if you Don't Think a Few TARDS didn't Help things Post Reintroduction!

We Told You Wolves won't Survive in TARDville & They Don't,not for very long anyway!

You Pussssssssssssies from Montana afraid to Shoot them or WTF?








She Don't Just Rain She Pours!

That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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You know how to read a map elkass or is all you know is what Trumped dorm your throat tastes like a creamsicle?

No Utatd showed up at a single wolf meeting. If you hold a gay circle jerk you would get s few hundred.
 
>You know how to read a
>map elkass or is all
>you know is what Trumped
>dorm your throat tastes like
>a creamsicle?
>
>No Utatd showed up at a
>single wolf meeting. If
>you hold a gay circle
>jerk you would get s
>few hundred.

We went through the Same BS here Dip-Sshhiittt!

They wanted Reintroduction here!

We Told them what would Happen!

Guess unlike you Montana ASS-CLOWNS,they listened to us!

Re-Read the Post Smart Guy,I Said We Helped 'POST' Reintroduction!

You Pay No F'N Attention when trying to Read!








She Don't Just Rain She Pours!

That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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If the Truth Be Known You're probably a Wolf Lover!

Get your Own F'N National Parks Going & Plant your Wolves in your Parks!









She Don't Just Rain She Pours!

That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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Wait . . . I thought Don Peay, SFW and BGF fought and won the wolf battle with Utah tax dollars? So you are saying that is not true?

-Hawkeye-
 
NE,
Last time I checked it was your side of the political hand jobs that where calling for wolf facials. Then you cry that we didn't help your welfare and green friendly azzz. Sounds typical. "Help us help us, don't tell me what to do" Like I keep saying someone had to raise them snowflakes. I bet they are making you proud.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17 AT 08:42PM (MST)[p]Jason,
Lets hear about the last battle you won. Was it the expo going to the RMEF....Oh nevermind I am attending that this weekend and its still in Vegas.

BTW, I figure you're on the in with RMEF. Why exactly did David Allen get fired? I thought RMEF was 100% transparent and open about everything but the local officials I talked to said they couldn't talk about for fear of loosing their positions.
 
We don't need or even want Utards help. All we ask is that you quit sending the clown car drivers to congress who want to ruin public lands, period.

To claim it was Montanans who let wolves go in Wyoming just shows how stupid Utards are.

My politics are as far from liberal as anyone can get. That is one reason not to worship the talking Yam the way Utards fall asl over themselves just like Don Peay does. You all act like teenage girls at a Justin Bieber concert whenever Trump gives you a little reach around.

Why is it so hard for you two chute packers to answer a simple question?
 
You Change Your Mind & Edit Sshhiittt more than anybody I Know!






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LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17 AT 09:08PM (MST)[p]Elkass

So I see you are relying on fake facts again about oil reserves. Is your @ss jealous of the shyt that comes out of your mouth?

Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17
>AT 09:08?PM (MST)

>
>Elkass
>
>So I see you are relying
>on fake facts again about
>oil reserves. Is your
>@ss jealous of the shyt
>that comes out of your
>mouth?
>
>Nemont

Just show us a picture of your LEZBARU with the SUWA Sticker on it!








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>LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17
>AT 09:08?PM (MST)

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>Elkass
>
>So I see you are relying
>on fake facts again about
>oil reserves. Is your
>@ss jealous of the shyt
>that comes out of your
>mouth?
>
>Nemont

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Muley73, since you wanted to make this specifically about wolves and ignore the larger picture of SFW working against public land hunters, may I please remind you of the following press release from NRA regarding the fight to hunt wolves via the Simpson-Tester bill...

?Congressional offices and members of the media should exercise caution in accepting as fact, or repeating, any claims made by Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, Big Game Forever or any person claiming to represent them. Due to the blatant misrepresentation contained in the press release circulated by these two groups, any claims they make in the future should be thoroughly investigated and independently confirmed.?

See also...

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."

For the entire article... http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/...cle_dfb5fe10-8570-11e1-99d1-0019bb2963f4.html

Here's a little puff piece that ends with "Made Possible in Part by Sportsmen for Fish & Wildlife." I'll keep watching my email for a similar video about stopping the Escalante Canyons National Park... but I won't hold my breath.



For the record, there is significant outcry on another hunting forum to contact, and even boycott, Sportsman Channel and Outdoor Channel for playing this video on their Facebook pages. Outside of Utah, hunters see the reduction of National Monuments for what it really is... bad for hunters.

Grizzly
 
Grizz,
You avoided the facts that I pointed out. Again your more concerned with the SFW than you are with aligning with openly anti hunting organizations. You will say that is because they pose a greater threat. So narrow minded its amazing.
 
You keep calling them "anti hunting" when REI, Patagonia, and NEMO are literally giving money to TRCP... a dedicated hunting organization.

The companies may not be hunting-centric, but they certainly aren't anti-hunting and they definitely are pro-public-land... unlike SFW that campaigns for closing streams and believes "it's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."

I have produced indisputable evidence that SFW is anti-public-land-hunter. They give plenty of ammo, its almost as if they are building their own circular firing squad and you are running back and forth through the middle of it.

How about you prove that your allegiance is to public land hunting and not a group of welfare hounds and get SFW to issue a Press Release and an email blast tomorrow condemning the National Park proposal? They could have it out by early afternoon if they want to.

Grizzly
 
How about this example...

?Helping drive the trade from the other end has been Don Peay, whose Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife organization is hugely influential on Capitol Hill ? and is a past beneficiary of Hunt Oil financial contributions.?

- Salt Lake Tribune

That quote was referring to a land swap supported by SFW that shut the public out of 80,000 acres in a land swap between DWR and Hunt Consolidated (a Texas oil company).

Ready to take another run through the firing squad, Muley73?

Grizzly
 
I realize I'm a Weber State Grad, but what am I missing here?

The land, WAS public land. Then 2 democrat Presidents decided to punish Utah(and Cliven Bundy) for embarrassing them(believe Clinton finished 3rd in one election), and created monuments to protect public land, that the feds were supposed to be protecting anyway(isn't that the FS job?). So now we have unprotected previously protected land, and now we need to protect it again? Who exactly are we protecting it from? The feds?

Now I know we are supposed to hate trump, and as western public land users embrace this monument creation not as the unbelievable gov overreach it was, but as something great. But here's my question to all the "monument good trump bad" chanters. What happens when its President Liz Warren? If we support a President having this power, when a lib President decides to make the Pahvant a monument, but does so without hunting will you chant for it then?

Do you guys really believe that putting this kind of power in the hands of one person won't come back and bite you? You hate Trump, but wholeheartedly support giving him the ability to make land policy?

The antiquities act was NOT designed to lock down thousands of square miles of land. This was government overreach at its finest. Its not about REI or BHA, its about a repressive federal government that has grown so large and powerful, it has this ability.

How can you cheer a President having this power? Why not just do away with FS or BLM, just let each administration do whatever they want, whenever they want? OH WAIT, that's what caused this to start.

Hunters are a minority. There is never, in the history of mankind anything positive for a minority that comes from concentrated power. Can I get an amen from the Indians? Jews?

The antiquities act needs to be severely limited. Bill Clinton wasn't Teddy Roosevelt. Nor was Obama. Lets at least be honest.







"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Careful hoss!

You mentioned Over-Reach a couple of times!

And Now NewMont & Dude have twisted their Panties again!







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LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-17 AT 07:09AM (MST)[p]Grizz,
I stated to start with I didn't always support SFW views. But you keep supporting groups like REI who have been involved in funding anti hunting organizations for many years. BHA members are battling on social media that Sierra Club is a good organization, that they are pro wolf. Try and throw it back on SFW all you want but BHA and it members are showing partnership with groups and philosophy that are truly anti hunting. Like I stated before I understand a means to an end. But be willing to admit it. It doesn't matter how much land is public and how much is private if the antis win in the end.
Here a quick question, with Sierra Club, Earthjustice, Defenders of Wildlife oppose the new national park? Or will they be fine with hunters being locked out as long as they have access? Then will their focus turn back to expanding more non hunting efforts. Whether it's public or private I believe SFW will over the long haul stay pro hunting. The other groups I think they will stay anti hunting.
 
Muley.

That depends on your definition of hunting. If its closed access, high dollar hunting, think CWMU, or Texas, then $FW will remain pro hunting.

The Don has already expressed his opinions on open access and the north American model.

I'm a BHA member. I'm not sure that I will continue that in the future. I find myself uneasy about some of what they do, and with who they do it. This current topic included. I am very pro public land. HOWEVER I am also pro public access. Public land can't have a gate on every access point. It is useless if only a tiny minority of backpackers are the only ones able to access land. I don't favor opening wilderness to roads, but I also oppose turning everything into wilderness.
I know REI favors the latter. My worry, I'm not convinced the BHA isn't in 100% agreement with them.

I listen to Meateater, and while I know Steve isn't there spokesman, he was talking about if the wasn't hunting, he would still be pro wilderness. That seems to be the vibe I get from BHA as well. Seems a sizeable amount of their folks are more of the new age hunters, meaning they came to hunting from the "organic food" side, and not the hunting as a lifestyle side. Like I said, I'm not sure I will continue to support them in the future.



"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Can any resident of Utah that isn't a douche bag like the low IQ bunch, explain why your elected representative would try to create a national park out of this area?

This is a specific to Utah issue given the players on it.

What is the strategy to reduce the monument but make a national park?

If the antiquities act is bad then congress should change the law. What party controls congress? If you give them power and don't use it what good are they?

Dunces, dimwit, elkass and his man lover lowIQ_73 need not reply due to them being useless.

Nemont
 
Muley73, you can keep trying to change the subject and deflect. The fact is the players in Utah politics, being elected officials and SFW, are responsible for this. The environmental groups you name have no sway here and certainly didn't alter the trajectory of this discussion one iota.

I'll leave you with two quotes, one of which is my new signature...

Patagonia has "always viewed public lands as our special interest," said company spokeswoman Corley Kenna. "We have been fighting for these lands for decades, so that hunters, fishers, hikers and everyone else can use them and help us protect them."

Grizzly

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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
>Can any resident of Utah explain
>why your elected representative would
>try to create a national
>park out of this area?


Because the local businesses, represented by Boulder and Escalante Chamber of Commerce, were opposed to removing National Monument status as it's increased tourism to the area.

Herbert, Noel, and Bishop have been saying "the locals" opposed the Monument, but in reality they supported it and didn't want it reduced.

The Republicans are looking for ways to pay back their extractive industry donors by opening up mining/drilling in the area so they reduced the Monument and on the first day were proposing new leases. Then they proposed a National Park to appease the locals that they had misrepresented the entire time.


Grizzly

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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
grizz and muley remind me of a couple donkeys heehawing over the fence. one starts to heehaw and then the other starts up trying to drown him out. they ain't ever gonna listen to each other. they ain't ever gonna convince the other of any thing because neither cares what the other has to say. but they like to hear themselves heehaw. just a couple jacks

and stewart needs to be canned. what a stupid compromise.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-17 AT 11:30AM (MST)[p]Cody-

In stark contrast to SFW, I never claimed to have won any major political battle or attempted to take credit for the efforts of others. In fact, when I got involved in the Expo contract selection process I fully expected the result we eventually got. My goal was to help RMEF submit its proposal knowing that the odds were tilted against them. The silver lining: I think most folks that paid attention saw the DWR's selection process for what it was - a sham. The DWR ignored and violated their own rules but they eventually got the result they wanted. No real victory for me, sportsmen or wildlife for that matter . . . but we did shine a light on the problems that exist here in Utah.

Have fun in Vegas Cody and say hello to the RMEF guys. I don't have time or energy for a pissing match today.

-Hawkeye-
 
It's not about convincing muley73, he's just the avenue to reveal the true agenda of SFW.

And its obviously working since SFW has contacted me in the past to set up a meeting to discuss their actions.

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
Grizz,
I'm just an independent voice looking from the outside. Again I've said it many many times. Over the past 25 years I have been a member of SFW a grand total of 3 years. Not currently a member. Just a voice pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.

2-Point yes I genersally am a jackasss. :)
 
>Can any resident of Utah that
>isn't a douche bag like
>the low IQ bunch, explain
>why your elected representative would
>try to create a national
>park out of this area?
>
>
>This is a specific to Utah
>issue given the players on
>it.
>
>What is the strategy to reduce
>the monument but make a
>national park?
>
>If the antiquities act is bad
>then congress should change the
>law. What party controls
>congress? If you give
>them power and don't use
>it what good are they?
>
>
>Dunces, dimwit, elkass and his man
>lover lowIQ_73 need not reply
>due to them being useless.
>
>
>Nemont

GOOD GAWD!

From a Guy that Claims to Know Every-F'N-Thing!

Just can't Figure it out can you?








She Don't Just Rain She Pours!

That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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Good news. It appears Sportsman Channel and Outdoors Channel both removed the SFW propaganda film I posted above from their Facebook pages after receiving wide-ranging opposition from hunters everywhere.

Obviously the word is getting out about SFW and what they stand for.

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-17 AT 05:08PM (MST)[p]Elkass,

Again with the fake elkass facts, trying to make a fake elkass point in order to remain as the pivot man in your fake conservative circle jerk.

In your universe the fact that I know anything makes me appear to know everything because you have proven to be too stupid to know anything.

Do this: find a place where I claimed to know everything. Let's see if you and your boyfriend are bright enough to use the search function. If you find where I make such a claim I will delete my MM.com account and never post again. If you can't find it then I like to have you do the same. You go the same place for lying as you do for stealing.

Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-17
>AT 05:08?PM (MST)

>
>Elkass,
>
>Again with the fake elkass facts,
>trying to make a fake
>elkass point in order to
>remain as the pivot man
>in your fake conservative circle
>jerk.
>
>In your universe the fact that
>I know anything makes me
>appear to know everything because
>you have proven to be
>too stupid to know anything.
>
>
>Do this: find a place where
>I claimed to know everything.
> Let's see if you
>and your boyfriend are bright
>enough to use the search
>function. If you find
>where I make such a
>claim I will delete my
>MM.com account and never post
>again. If you can't
>find it then I like
>to have you do the
>same. You go the
>same place for lying as
>you do for stealing.
>
>Nemont


Just like Last Night when you were Editing your Post from 1-3 Times!

Guess you didn't like what you Posted so you kept Editing!

I Think you Were Drinking Last Night!

I've Seen Dude on Some Serious CROWN and not have to Edit near that much!

Your GRAMMAR Really SUCKED Last Night!







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That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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Man you're hung up on the man love NE. And the IQ claim. Those that lash out so aggressively are generally the scared little boy. What happened man, what are you scared of. Was it an uncle? Babysitter? Bully at school? You're constantly triggered.
 
I am not scared of fake conservative Utards who know they are liars so resort to being the grammar police. In addition your little act doesn't scare me a bit either. I have been associated with better men from many walks of life then the likes of you will ever be.

The only real fears I have in my life is what kind of country my grand children will inherit and that I may not get to all the places I want to travel to. Other than that I fear not for anything. Well maybe a tiny fear would be that I die before I see how the current shyt show in the White House ends but that is fairly predictable.

Nemont
 
>I am not scared of
> fake conservative Utards who
>know they are liars so
>resort to being the grammar
>police. In addition your
>little act doesn't scare me
>a bit either. I
>have been associated with better
>men from many walks of
>life then the likes of
>you will ever be.
>
>The only real fears I have
>in my life is what
>kind of country my grand
>children will inherit and that
>I may not get to
>all the places I want
>to travel to. Other
>than that I fear not
>for anything. Well maybe
>a tiny fear would
>be that I die before
>I see how the current
>shyt show in the White
>House ends but that is
>fairly predictable.
>
>Nemont

Carry on with your Self Proclaimed BullSshhitt!








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That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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No it's been show that people that lash out so quickly are scared. It's ok it's a human nature for the weak. I get it, Trump scares you. It's easier and safer to just fall in line with a socialist agenda.
 
Back to Stewart, I hope he explains himself soon and it gives hunters a chance to look and process the rational. Then make an educated decision on the support or fight against it.
 
>DW, you clearly didn't take the
>time to read the article
>I posted as it explains
>well the relationship in Monuments
>to hunting and National Parks
>in recent history and how
>there is no longer a
>clear path that one begets
>the other. That was a
>common strategy generations ago, but
>hasn't been used in many
>decades.
>
>The Monument status didn't lead to
>the National Park... the guys
>that wanted to STOP the
>Monument are the ones that
>are now pushing the National
>Park. If insanity is repeating
>the same thing and expecting
>a different result, I would
>think people would realize the
>Republican Party is no longer
>looking out for the benefits
>of hunters and public-land enthusiasts.
>And that it is time
>for hunters to vote for
>their beliefs and morals, not
>necessarily the party they registered
>under at the courthouse.
>
>---------------
>




>Grizzly

I'll chat with ya the next time a monument becomes a park, shouldn't be long!

#livelikezac
 
>I'll chat with ya the next
>time a monument becomes a
>park, shouldn't be long!


Why do you say that? Are Herbert and Bishop planning on closing more public land to hunting in the near future?

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
>Can any resident of Utah that
>isn't a douche bag like
>the low IQ bunch, explain
>why your elected representative would
>try to create a national
>park out of this area?
>
>
>This is a specific to Utah
>issue given the players on
>it.
>
>What is the strategy to reduce
>the monument but make a
>national park?
>
>If the antiquities act is bad
>then congress should change the
>law. What party controls
>congress? If you give
>them power and don't use
>it what good are they?
>
>
>Dunces, dimwit, elkass and his man
>lover lowIQ_73 need not reply
>due to them being useless.
>
>
>Nemont

Alright SMART-ASS!

The Parks are Over crowded by Montanians/Orientals & Etc!

They want to make more Parks to take a little Pressure off the Existing Parks!

AKA making more Money,DUH!

Your Government wants to Raise Pass Fee's from 20.00 to 80.00!

You Understand that?

It's about F'N Money!

It also Closes more Ground that's Open to Public Hunting,at least until it becomes a Park!

A Monument Becomes a Park a few years down the Road!

You F'N Understand that SMART Guy?

Never mind!

If I wanna Talk/Argue with a F'N Rock I'll go chat with 440!


















She Don't Just Rain She Pours!

That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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>
>>I'll chat with ya the next
>>time a monument becomes a
>>park, shouldn't be long!
>
>
>Why do you say that? Are
>Herbert and Bishop planning on
>closing more public land to
>hunting in the near future?
>
>
>Grizzly
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."

>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>

So far it only looks like Stewart is looking to close public lands to hunting? But what do I know I'm a Coloradoan.

#livelikezac
 
>>Can any resident of Utah that
>>isn't a douche bag like
>>the low IQ bunch, explain
>>why your elected representative would
>>try to create a national
>>park out of this area?
>>
>>
>>This is a specific to Utah
>>issue given the players on
>>it.
>>
>>What is the strategy to reduce
>>the monument but make a
>>national park?
>>
>>If the antiquities act is bad
>>then congress should change the
>>law. What party controls
>>congress? If you give
>>them power and don't use
>>it what good are they?
>>
>>
>>Dunces, dimwit, elkass and his man
>>lover lowIQ_73 need not reply
>>due to them being useless.
>>
>>
>>Nemont
>
>Alright SMART-ASS!
>
>The Parks are Over crowded by
>Montanians/Orientals & Etc!
>
>They want to make more Parks
>to take a little Pressure
>off the Existing Parks!
>
>AKA making more Money,DUH!
>
>Your Government wants to Raise Pass
>Fee's from 20.00 to 80.00!
>
>
>You Understand that?
>
>It's about F'N Money!
>
>It also Closes more Ground that's
>Open to Public Hunting,at least
>until it becomes a Park!
>
>
>A Monument Becomes a Park a
>few years down the Road!
>
>
>You F'N Understand that SMART Guy?
>
>
>Never mind!
>
>If I wanna Talk/Argue with a
>F'N Rock I'll go chat
>with 440!


If Utards are so brilliant then why is it a Utard congressman proposing a new national park? If it is about money then why didn't the talking Yam just leave this one alone and just reduce the Bears Ear?

It was the Utard contingent who convinced the human tanning bed that reducing the NM was a great idea now your own Rep. knows that he screwed his local businesses but you want to whine like a little girl about it and then claim I am scared?

You are a complete idiot. Care to show me where there was a movement to make either NM a national park until your Orange hero stepped in it?

Fake facts are no way to win an argument but you wouldn't know a real fact even if it was given to via a suppository.

Nemont
 
Grizzly:

>>Are
>>Herbert and Bishop planning on
>>closing more public land to
>>hunting in the near future?




DW:

>So far it only looks like
>Stewart is looking to close
>public lands to hunting? But
>what do I know I'm
>a Coloradoan.





Let me help you then...

------------

"Gov. Gary Herbert lauded the idea of a new national park.

'That really could bring in some significant tourism and travel, and enhance economic opportunity.'

I agree that there are many parts of this region that merit National Park status and I will work with our congressional delegation on this idea."



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"During a press conference on Tuesday morning, Zinke also indicated he would support Rep. Chris Stewart, R-Utah, in his efforts to establish a new national park in a piece of the Grand Staircase-Escalante lands redefined by the president."

--------------

?'Look, for all those people who say monuments are good for tourism, a national park is even better,' said Stewart, whose district includes Grand Staircase-Escalante.

Utah?s sixth national park would be funded to include 'all the things that come with it,' such as roads, restrooms, campgrounds, trails and a visitor center, Stewart said."

------------

I just checked BGF and SFW facebook pages and nothing there opposing the National Park. They did post of video of Glenn Beck saying you couldn't hike in Bears Ears when it was a National Monument and that Patagonia should be thanking Trump. These are the types of lies propagated, and believed by, by the NM opponents.

Can you find any Republicans that have opposed making it a National Park and blocking hunting? Serious question, because I can't.


Grizzly

-----------------------------------------

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
>>>Can any resident of Utah that
>>>isn't a douche bag like
>>>the low IQ bunch, explain
>>>why your elected representative would
>>>try to create a national
>>>park out of this area?
>>>
>>>
>>>This is a specific to Utah
>>>issue given the players on
>>>it.
>>>
>>>What is the strategy to reduce
>>>the monument but make a
>>>national park?
>>>
>>>If the antiquities act is bad
>>>then congress should change the
>>>law. What party controls
>>>congress? If you give
>>>them power and don't use
>>>it what good are they?
>>>
>>>
>>>Dunces, dimwit, elkass and his man
>>>lover lowIQ_73 need not reply
>>>due to them being useless.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nemont
>>
>>Alright SMART-ASS!
>>
>>The Parks are Over crowded by
>>Montanians/Orientals & Etc!
>>
>>They want to make more Parks
>>to take a little Pressure
>>off the Existing Parks!
>>
>>AKA making more Money,DUH!
>>
>>Your Government wants to Raise Pass
>>Fee's from 20.00 to 80.00!
>>
>>
>>You Understand that?
>>
>>It's about F'N Money!
>>
>>It also Closes more Ground that's
>>Open to Public Hunting,at least
>>until it becomes a Park!
>>
>>
>>A Monument Becomes a Park a
>>few years down the Road!
>>
>>
>>You F'N Understand that SMART Guy?
>>
>>
>>Never mind!
>>
>>If I wanna Talk/Argue with a
>>F'N Rock I'll go chat
>>with 440!
>
>
>If Utards are so brilliant then
>why is it a Utard
>congressman proposing a new national
>park? If it is
>about money then why didn't
>the talking Yam just leave
>this one alone and just
>reduce the Bears Ear?
>
>It was the Utard contingent who
>convinced the human tanning bed
>that reducing the NM was
>a great idea now your
>own Rep. knows that he
>screwed his local businesses but
>you want to whine like
>a little girl about it
>and then claim I am
>scared?
>
>You are a complete idiot.
>Care to show me where
>there was a movement to
>make either NM a national
>park until your Orange hero
>stepped in it?
>
>Fake facts are no way to
>win an argument but you
>wouldn't know a real fact
>even if it was
>given to via a suppository.
>
>
>Nemont

Just Keep Putting Foot in F'N Mouth SMART Guy!

FYI!

This Shhitt Started a little before Trump came around!

Yes You are Scared of Trump!










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Grizz, I guess if you tell yourself something long enough, you'll belive it....that or spread propaganda that isn't true. Glenn Beck outright lied several times on that video, the fact they shared it shows yet again how big of hacks and liars they are, and how a political agenda is their main purpose not conservation, hunters, or wildlife.
 
DW, tell him 2lumpy's a Republic-can't, registered!

Tell him I oppose blocking hunting.

Tell him, enough non-Multiple Use lands in Utah are enough. An acre at a time the libs are tightening the loose, and the fricken, fake Repulic'can't, hiding their blue panties, are right there holding their slimy little hands.

I don't give a damn if they designate it a Park, a Monument, a study area, a recreation area, a livestock lease, a mineral lease, an economic utopia, or a back country hunter/fisherman's paradise, enough is enough. Leave it the hell alone and manage it for "MULTIPLE USE" period. Ya, period!

How much more do you want your greedy little pockets are already full?

Utah Parks, Monuments, National Recreation Areas, Wilderness Areas, Wilderness Study Areas

National Parks
Zion National Park

Bryce Canyon National Park 

Capitol Reef National Park 

Arches National Park 

Canyonlands National Park 


National Monuments 

Cedar Breaks National Monument
Dinosaur National Monument
Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument
Hovenweep National Monument
Natural Bridges National Monument

Rainbow Bridge National Monument

Timpanogos Cave National Monument

Hoodoos in Cedar Breaks National Monument
Bears Ears National Monument


National Recreation Areas
Glen Canyon National Recreation Area

Flaming Gorge National Recreation Area


Wilderness Areas
Ashdown Gorge Wilderness
Beartrap Canyon Wilderness
Beaver Dam Mountains Wilderness
Black Ridge Canyons Wilderness
Box-Death Hollow Wilderness
Canaan Mountain Wilderness
Cedar Mountain Wilderness
Cottonwood Forest Wilderness
Cougar Canyon Wilderness
Dark Canyon Wilderness
Deep Creek
Deseret Peak Wilderness
Doc's Pass Wilderness
Goose Creek Wilderness
High Uintas Wilderness
LaVerkin Creek Wilderness
Lone Peak Wilderness
Mount Naomi Wilderness
Mount Nebo Wilderness
Mount Olympus Wilderness
Mount Timpanogos Wilderness
Paria Canyon-Vermilion Cliffs Wilderness
Pine Valley Mountain Wilderness
Red Butte Wilderness
Red Mountain Wilderness
Slaughter Creek Wilderness
Taylor Creek Wilderness

Twin Peaks Wilderness

Wellsville Mountains Wilderness

Zion Wilderness

Wilderness Study Areas
Behind the Rocks
Black Ridge 
Canyon West
Book Cliffs
 Mountain Browse ISA
Bridger Jack Mesa
Bull Canyon
Bull Mountain
Burning Hills
Butler Wash
Canaan Mountain
Carcass Canyon
Cheese Box Canyon
Coal Canyon
Conger Mountain
Crack Canyon
Cross Canyon
Daniels Canyon
Dark Canyon 
ISA Complex
Death Ridge
Deep Creek Mountains
 Scott's Basin
Desolation Canyon
Devils Canyon
Devils Garden ISA
Diamond Breaks
Dirty Devil
Escalante Canyons Tract 1
Escalante Canyons Tract 5
Fiddler Butte WSA
Fifty Mile Mountain
Fish Creek Canyon
Fish Springs
Floy Canyon
Flume Canyon
Fremont Gorge
French Spring-Happy Canyon
Grand Gulch
Horseshoe Canyon
(North)
Horseshoe Canyon
(South)
Howell Peak
. Indian Creek
Jack Canyon
King Top
Link Flats
Little Rockies
Lost Spring Canyon
Mancos Mesa
Mexican Mountain
Mill Creek Canyon
Moquith Mountain
Mount Ellen-Blue Hills
Mount Hillers
Mount Pennell
Mud Spring Canyon
Muddy Creek
Mule Canyon
Negro Bill Canyon
North Escalante Canyons
North Fork Virgin River
North Stansbury Mountains
Notch Peak
Orderville Canyon
Paria-Hackberry
Parunuweap Canyon
Phipps-Death Hollow
Road Canyon
Rockwell
San Rafael Reef
Scorpion
Scott's Basin
Sids Cabin 202
Sids Mountain
South Needles
Spring Creek Canyon
Spruce Canyon
Squaw-Papoose Canyon
Steep Creek
Swasey Mountain
The Blues
The Cockscomb
Turtle Canyon
Wah Wah Mountains
Wahweap
West Cold Spring
Westwater Canyon
White Rock Range
Winter Ridge

DC
 
>DW, tell him 2lumpy's a Republic-can't,
>registered!
>
>Tell him I oppose blocking hunting.
>
>
>Tell him, enough non-Multiple Use lands
>in Utah are enough.
>An acre at a time
>the libs are tightening the
>loose, and the fricken, fake
>Repulic'can't, hiding their blue panties,
>are right there holding their
>slimy little hands.
>
>I don't give a damn if
>they designate it a Park,
>a Monument, a study area,
>a recreation area, a livestock
>lease, a mineral lease, an
>economic utopia, or a back
>country hunter/fisherman's paradise, enough is
>enough. Leave it the
>hell alone and manage it
>for "MULTIPLE USE" period. Ya,
>period!
>
>How much more do you want
>your greedy little pockets are
>already full?
>
>Utah Parks, Monuments, National Recreation Areas,
>Wilderness Areas, Wilderness Study Areas
>
>
>National Parks
>Zion National Park

>Bryce Canyon National Park 

>Capitol Reef National Park 

>Arches National Park 

>Canyonlands National Park 

>
>National Monuments 

>Cedar Breaks National Monument
>Dinosaur National Monument
>Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument
>Hovenweep National Monument
>Natural Bridges National Monument

>Rainbow Bridge National Monument

>Timpanogos Cave National Monument

>Hoodoos in Cedar Breaks National Monument
>
>Bears Ears National Monument

>
>National Recreation Areas
>Glen Canyon National Recreation Area

>Flaming Gorge National Recreation Area

>
>Wilderness Areas
>Ashdown Gorge Wilderness
>Beartrap Canyon Wilderness
>Beaver Dam Mountains Wilderness
>Black Ridge Canyons Wilderness
>Box-Death Hollow Wilderness
>Canaan Mountain Wilderness
>Cedar Mountain Wilderness
>Cottonwood Forest Wilderness
>Cougar Canyon Wilderness
>Dark Canyon Wilderness
>Deep Creek
>Deseret Peak Wilderness
>Doc's Pass Wilderness
>Goose Creek Wilderness
>High Uintas Wilderness
>LaVerkin Creek Wilderness
>Lone Peak Wilderness
>Mount Naomi Wilderness
>Mount Nebo Wilderness
>Mount Olympus Wilderness
>Mount Timpanogos Wilderness
>Paria Canyon-Vermilion Cliffs Wilderness
>Pine Valley Mountain Wilderness
>Red Butte Wilderness
>Red Mountain Wilderness
>Slaughter Creek Wilderness
>Taylor Creek Wilderness

>Twin Peaks Wilderness

>Wellsville Mountains Wilderness

>Zion Wilderness
>
>Wilderness Study Areas
>Behind the Rocks
>Black Ridge 
Canyon West
>Book Cliffs
 Mountain Browse ISA
>Bridger Jack Mesa
>Bull Canyon
>Bull Mountain
>Burning Hills
>Butler Wash
>Canaan Mountain
>Carcass Canyon
>Cheese Box Canyon
>Coal Canyon
>Conger Mountain
>Crack Canyon
>Cross Canyon
>Daniels Canyon
>Dark Canyon 
ISA Complex
>Death Ridge
>Deep Creek Mountains
 Scott's Basin
>Desolation Canyon
>Devils Canyon
>Devils Garden ISA
>Diamond Breaks
>Dirty Devil
>Escalante Canyons Tract 1
>Escalante Canyons Tract 5
>Fiddler Butte WSA
>Fifty Mile Mountain
>Fish Creek Canyon
>Fish Springs
>Floy Canyon
>Flume Canyon
>Fremont Gorge
>French Spring-Happy Canyon
>Grand Gulch
>Horseshoe Canyon
(North)
>Horseshoe Canyon
(South)
>Howell Peak
. Indian Creek
>Jack Canyon
>King Top
>Link Flats
>Little Rockies
>Lost Spring Canyon
>Mancos Mesa
>Mexican Mountain
>Mill Creek Canyon
>Moquith Mountain
>Mount Ellen-Blue Hills
>Mount Hillers
>Mount Pennell
>Mud Spring Canyon
>Muddy Creek
>Mule Canyon
>Negro Bill Canyon
>North Escalante Canyons
>North Fork Virgin River
>North Stansbury Mountains
>Notch Peak
>Orderville Canyon
>Paria-Hackberry
>Parunuweap Canyon
>Phipps-Death Hollow
>Road Canyon
>Rockwell
>San Rafael Reef
>Scorpion
>Scott's Basin
>Sids Cabin 202
>Sids Mountain
>South Needles
>Spring Creek Canyon
>Spruce Canyon
>Squaw-Papoose Canyon
>Steep Creek
>Swasey Mountain
>The Blues
>The Cockscomb
>Turtle Canyon
>Wah Wah Mountains
>Wahweap
>West Cold Spring
>Westwater Canyon
>White Rock Range
>Winter Ridge
>
>DC

Hey NeMont!

Stick that in your BONG & Puff on it!








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LAST EDITED ON Dec-08-17 AT 04:42PM (MST)[p]I believe I asked eel one time how much tax money will finally make the Liberals happy? He said the answer will always be just a little bit more. So I believe the answer to your question lump is just a few more Acres!


#livelikezac
 
Any Chance We can get a Birdie emoji as well?







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That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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YOU CAN SURE TELL MOST HUNTING SEASONS ARE WINDING DOWN!!!

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2lumpy, you list a combinationn of National Parks, National Monuments, Recreation Areas, Wilderness Areas, and Wilderness Study Areas and then talk about Multiple-Use.

I see a hundred different areas that are exactly that... multiple-use. They each have different rules and protections and offer various levels of hunting, hiking, fishing, roads, roadless areas, boating, grazing, etc... THAT IS MULTIPLE USE!

The only one that outright bans hunting is National Parks which is what we're talking about on this thread.

Are you ready to stand up to your exalted Republican Party/SFW and work to keep Escalante open for access and hunting? Or do your partisan politics come first?

SFW already worked to stop stream access for hunting/fishing to help their non-hunting special interest groups ("greedy fishermen" anybody?). Their silence has been deafening in their support of the land grab and privatization (see quote below). When it came to Bears Ears, they sent multiple emails and made costly videos propagandizing their argument so it is clear to see how they operate when they want to be involved. They either get in the public eye, or they sit on their thumbs and hope nobody notices.

Is SFW going to be active or silent in their support of Escalante Canyons National Park forever closing the area to hunting?

Its *crickets* so far.

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-08-17 AT 11:08PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-08-17 AT 11:03?PM (MST)

I am a SFW member and I volunteer a lot of my time in behalf of the organization. I was in the Utah State Capitol Monday to hear President Trump speak. It was a honor to be in the room with The POTUS, and witness history in the making.
I cringed when i heard what Chris Stewart is looking to propose. I'm still waiting for more details.
SFW represents its membership. A statement will not be made without reaching out to its members across the state for input. Once the facts have been heard, and opinions discussed a vote will then take place. Following a vote a statement will be made. I'm happy to be part of a organization that listens to it's members and does not tell them how they should believe.
SFW is a powerful voice in Utah, and has a strong presence in Washington. For those that are consumed with SFW and its stances on public land issues, or any other issue I invite you to join and let your voice be heard. It really is that simple.

Sorry for the edits it's past my bedtime
 
>I just checked BGF and SFW
>facebook pages and nothing there
>opposing the National Park. They
>did post of video of
>Glenn Beck saying you couldn't
>hike in Bears Ears when
>it was a National Monument
>and that Patagonia should be
>thanking Trump. These are the
>types of lies propagated, and
>believed by, by the NM
>opponents.

Are you positive that you saw a video of Glenn Beck on SFWs Facebook ? I looked and could not find it. I agree that Glenns video was not accurate. By implying that you saw the video on SFWs Facebook you are no more truthful than he was. If you can show me where it is on SFWs Facebook I will not accuse you of spreading ?Fake News?
 
>Are you positive that you saw
>a video of Glenn Beck
>on SFWs Facebook ?
>I looked and could not
>find it. I agree that
>Glenns video was not accurate.

Yep. It was there. It still is up on BGF Facebook if you look fast. I guess they took it down from SFW's the same way that Outdoors Channel and Sportsman Channel removed SFW's Bears Ears video after hunters everywhere complained and threatened boycott.

PS. Are you telling me it was a vote of the members to support shutting down stream access, oppose the Bears Ears, and support the land grab?

What about the privatization of game, did members get to vote on that too, or is that just Don giving interviews?

Youth pheasant hunts or not, this doesn't sound like an organization that I can join. The harm done by this group far outweighs any youth hunt or veteran outreach programs, as beneficial as those programs are.

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-09-17 AT 10:01AM (MST)[p]>>Are you positive that you saw
>>a video of Glenn Beck
>>on SFWs Facebook ?
>>I looked and could not
>>find it. I agree that
>>Glenns video was not accurate.
>
>Yep. It was there. It still
>is up on BGF Facebook
>if you look fast. I
>guess they took it down
>from SFW's the same way
>that Outdoors Channel and Sportsman
>Channel removed SFW's Bears Ears
>video after hunters everywhere complained
>and threatened boycott.
>
>PS. Are you telling me it
>was a vote of the
>members to support shutting down
>stream access, oppose the Bears
>Ears, and support the land
>grab?
>
>What about the privatization of game,
>did members get to vote
>on that too, or is
>that just Don giving interviews?
>
>
>Youth pheasant hunts or not, this
>doesn't sound like an organization
>that I can join. The
>harm done by this group
>far outweighs any youth hunt
>or veteran outreach programs, as
>beneficial as those programs are.
>
>
>Grizzly
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."

>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>


Good response to the JMO post grizzly and your tagline is surely not going to be argued with since it was made right out in more than one public venue. If that was voted on and passed by the SFW members, then the group is even worse that many think!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-09-17 AT 10:37AM (MST)[p]You're the epitome of a "man who know's not, that he know's not".

You think you know what goes on in, and at SFW, you think you know what it's members believe and what they'll do, you think you know Don Peay and you think you know what he thinks and what he'll do.

You don't know, you don't have a clue. You think anyone that doesn't see the world through your lense is wrong and therefore harmful. Be damn glad guys like me doesn't have more influence with SFW, because, if I were in charge of SFW, your world would be a far worse nightmare. SFW is a cupcake, compared to really what needs to done to keep green hunter jerks like you from destroying the hunting/fishing life style. Here's the good part for me, I'll be dead before you and your kind ruin the hunting/fishing culture completely, but I'll die happy knowing your going to get your way and get to live with the fruits of your labor.

Your kind is going to win, oh ya, in time, you'll get what your pushing for, like the Demo-ist,the Socialist, and the Communists have done in Cuba, North Korea, the African Nations and Arab Countries, and when you do, you're so naive still think it was Don Peay and SFW that created the bull sh!t world you'll be living in.

Keep it up, just keep it up, soon enough, all that will be left to hunt will be private property and you'll finally get to live with the results of your efforts.

DC
 
Ive started a new drinking game via this thread... take a shot every time the phrase "Utard" is mentioned. That is all..

Coloradoboy
 
You know what, lumpy, when you resort to attacking the messenger and deflecting from the discussion... you've already lost. You don't make a single factual argument in your entire post, yet somehow you work in 'Cuba' and 'African Nations'?

After YOUR generation is long gone, MY generation will try and clean up the "bullsh!t world" you've left us. Thanks for the debt, we appreciate it.

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
It's tough to argue with the Utard mantra. ;-)

I've made my point very clearly on this subject. I'll sign off of this one until/unless something else comes up. Have a great weekend everybody.

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
>You're the epitome of a "man
>who know's not, that he
>know's not".
>
>You think you know what goes
>on in, and at SFW,
>you think you know what
>it's members believe and what
>they'll do, you think you
>know Don Peay and you
>think you know what he
>thinks and what he'll do.
>
>
>You don't know, you don't have
>a clue. You think
>anyone that doesn't see the
>world through your lense is
>wrong and therefore harmful.
>Be damn glad guys like
>me doesn't have more influence
>with SFW, because, if I
>were in charge of SFW,
>your world would be a
>far worse nightmare. SFW
>is a cupcake, compared to
>really what needs to done
>to keep green hunter jerks
>like you from destroying the
>hunting/fishing life style. Here's the
>good part for me, I'll
>be dead before you and
>your kind ruin the hunting/fishing
>culture completely, but I'll die
>happy knowing your going to
>get your way and get
>to live with the fruits
>of your labor.
>
>Your kind is going to win,
>oh ya, in time, you'll
>get what your pushing for,
>like the Demo-ist,the Socialist, and
>the Communists have done in
>Cuba, North Korea, the African
>Nations and Arab Countries, and
>when you do, you're so
>naive still think it was
>Don Peay and SFW that
>created the bull sh!t world
>you'll be living in.
>
>Keep it up, just keep it
>up, soon enough, all that
>will be left to hunt
>will be private property and
>you'll finally get to live
>with the results of your
>efforts.
>
>DC

So let me get this straight. JMO says that all the important stuff that SFW is going to comment on is first voted on by the members and then the majority vote is what is stated in their press releases. Is that correct? If it is, then it would appear that the important statement by DP in the tagline of the grizzly post which essentially says that public ownership of game needs to be changed is what the majority of his SFW members believe, along with backing the blocking of stream access and putting up the Glen Beck POS video. True or not true, because it would seem that as the old axiom of the pen is mightier than the sword would hold true in what the SFW stands for?!
 
JMO is honest. $FW does listen to its members. So, we no longer need even discuss it. You saw them fight stream access. You see them openly discussing doing away with the North American model. Give JMO credit, he has the balls to say it. Whenever you see $FW in opposition to the vast majority of the state, its SOLELY because that's what their membership wants.

Good on JMO. I dislike what his org does, how it does it, etc. But he's the first $FW member to be honest, and ill take that any day. Better to deal with the devil you know.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>It's tough to argue with the
>Utard mantra. ;-)
>
>I've made my point very clearly
>on this subject. I'll sign
>off of this one until/unless
>something else comes up. Have
>a great weekend everybody.
>
>Grizzly
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."

>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily

Grizzly I can promise you that without a doubt that Glenn Becks video was never posted on its Facebook page. I called the person in charge of SFW s Facebook and he confirmed that he did not post it. He had no clue what I was talking about.

You and I will probably never agree when it comes to SFW. I don't think either of us are bad Guys. I laughed when I saw that you went a sheep hunt with some of my good friends. I told them that they took my MM arch nemesis sheep hunting. They said that you and your wife were great clients and that they enjoyed your company. I trust their judgment. I hope you have a good weekend.
 
>>You're the epitome of a "man
>>who know's not, that he
>>know's not".
>>
>>You think you know what goes
>>on in, and at SFW,
>>you think you know what
>>it's members believe and what
>>they'll do, you think you
>>know Don Peay and you
>>think you know what he
>>thinks and what he'll do.
>>
>>
>>You don't know, you don't have
>>a clue. You think
>>anyone that doesn't see the
>>world through your lense is
>>wrong and therefore harmful.
>>Be damn glad guys like
>>me doesn't have more influence
>>with SFW, because, if I
>>were in charge of SFW,
>>your world would be a
>>far worse nightmare. SFW
>>is a cupcake, compared to
>>really what needs to done
>>to keep green hunter jerks
>>like you from destroying the
>>hunting/fishing life style. Here's the
>>good part for me, I'll
>>be dead before you and
>>your kind ruin the hunting/fishing
>>culture completely, but I'll die
>>happy knowing your going to
>>get your way and get
>>to live with the fruits
>>of your labor.
>>
>>Your kind is going to win,
>>oh ya, in time, you'll
>>get what your pushing for,
>>like the Demo-ist,the Socialist, and
>>the Communists have done in
>>Cuba, North Korea, the African
>>Nations and Arab Countries, and
>>when you do, you're so
>>naive still think it was
>>Don Peay and SFW that
>>created the bull sh!t world
>>you'll be living in.
>>
>>Keep it up, just keep it
>>up, soon enough, all that
>>will be left to hunt
>>will be private property and
>>you'll finally get to live
>>with the results of your
>>efforts.
>>
>>DC
>
>So let me get this straight.
> JMO says that all
>the important stuff that SFW
>is going to comment on
>is first voted on by
>the members and then the
>majority vote is what is
>stated in their press releases.
> Is that correct?
>If it is, then it
>would appear that the important
>statement by DP in the
>tagline of the grizzly post
>which essentially says that public
>ownership of game needs to
>be changed is what the
>majority of his SFW members
>believe, along with backing the
>blocking of stream access and
>putting up the Glen Beck
>POS video. True or
>not true, because it would
>seem that as the old
>axiom of the pen is
>mightier than the sword would
>hold true in what the
>SFW stands for?!


Don says what he believes. SFW is not Don Peay. Strides have been made to assure that one mans thoughts do not represent SFWs membership as a whole. Don founded SFW and he is entitled to his opinion. He still has a vote as a member of SFW. When he speaks he represents himself.
There is now a board of directors, and a fulfillment committee that now meets before SFW makes a official statement.

For the record I'm for stream access, and I was against the Bears Ears National Monument. I'm also against the creation of another National Park.
 
You Hear that NeMont?

I'm not the only one:


For the record I'm for stream access, and I was against the Bears Ears National Monument. I'm also against the creation of another National Park.







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That Girl Right There's The Perfect Storm!


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>JMO is honest. $FW does
>listen to its members.
>So, we no longer need
>even discuss it. You
>saw them fight stream access.
> You see them openly
>discussing doing away with the
>North American model. Give
>JMO credit, he has the
>balls to say it.
>Whenever you see $FW in
>opposition to the vast majority
>of the state, its SOLELY
>because that's what their membership
>wants.
>
>Good on JMO. I dislike
>what his org does, how
>it does it, etc.
>But he's the first $FW
>member to be honest, and
>ill take that any day.
> Better to deal with
>the devil you know.
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"

Hosblur
Thanks for the reminder why I should never post on this site. People hear what they want to hear.
 
I'll stay true to what I said about signing off this argument for now (I'll even remove the tagline for this post to show I'm not weighing back in).

But if I misspoke about the Beck video being on the SFW Facebook page, then I'll own that mistake. It still is however on the Facebook page of their sister organization, Big Game Forever.

Also, I want to say that my beliefs about the organization have nothing to do with the individuals. I have many friends that support SFW, though many more have stopped supporting in recent years.

JMO, you and I have had phone conversations over the years and I've always found you to be honest and a good guy trying to do what he thinks is right. My beliefs about SFW have absolutely no reflection on my feelings towards the individual members. I'd hunt with Adam and Wayne again any day, regardless of what they think about a specific organization. Just as I'd welcome you or Greg (huntin50) on a hunt any day as well.

If something I said along the way came across as a personal attack on the individuals or made it appear I respected you/them less, then I apologize for that.

We're all passionate about hunting and just fighting for what we think is best.

Grizzly
 
That also goes for me in what grizzly posted regarding the individual SFW members on this site. Several have sent me messages of encouragement regarding the health problem I'm facing right now and they are greatly appreciated. As Grizzly stated above, we're all very passionate about conservation, hunting, fishing, and the great outdoors and are just fighting for what we think is best. Peace to everyone of you and may you all have a joyous Christmas season!
 
>>JMO is honest. $FW does
>>listen to its members.
>>So, we no longer need
>>even discuss it. You
>>saw them fight stream access.
>> You see them openly
>>discussing doing away with the
>>North American model. Give
>>JMO credit, he has the
>>balls to say it.
>>Whenever you see $FW in
>>opposition to the vast majority
>>of the state, its SOLELY
>>because that's what their membership
>>wants.
>>
>>Good on JMO. I dislike
>>what his org does, how
>>it does it, etc.
>>But he's the first $FW
>>member to be honest, and
>>ill take that any day.
>> Better to deal with
>>the devil you know.
>>
>>
>>"The only thing that stops a
>>bad guy with a gun
>>is a good guy with
>>a gun"
>
>Hosblur
>Thanks for the reminder why I
>should never post on this
>site. People hear what they
>want to hear.


JMO. A few years back you and I talked. You assured me that the new generation of $FW was different. That THE DON wasn't at the head of the table anymore. I said I would back off, see how things turned out. Then.... BGF( lets not pretend hey aren't related) ended up with a chunk of my money "to fight wolves", then $FW back doorex RMEF on the expo contract. Neither was above board, both had THE DONS finger prints all over it. You even posted about $FW having connections in Washington. Whom were you speaking of? Couldn't have been THE DON, supposedly he doesn't speak or $FW, Or is that only when his big mouth gets in a tight spot? You run in a circle full of guys I know. All of them are good dudes, I assume you are as well. You shouldn't engage in spin. I respected you saying $FW speaks for their members. But you can't have it both ways. When they speak, when u get called on it, they ARE SPEAKING for you. They sure as hell aren't speaking for me.

Like I said, its nice that you had the balls to say what so many of your fellow members try to dodge. It shows your a stand up guy.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
I said I'd sign off until something else came up. Well, it came up.

Environmental groups, Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance, Sierra Club, and National Parks Conservation Association just came out in opposition to Escalante National Park.

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"We don't want a fake national park in the Escalante. Nobody wants it," said Scott Berry, co-owner of the Boulder Mountain Inn and a Grand Staircase-Escalante Partners board member.

In contrast, Rep. Stewart, Republican, said, "A national park enhances the visitors' experience by making resources available, such as a visitors center, trails, restrooms and roads."

Berry said that's exactly what locals don't want, adding that no one has ever asked them what they prefer. He said the monument was a better solution...


(https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46216188&n...al-a-bait-and-switch-environmental-groups-say)

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According to Muley73, that means SFW must support the National Park and the banning of hunting in the area or they'll be committing the unforgivable sin of aligning with anti-hunting groups.

The same way he accused BHA of aligning with non-hunting groups to oppose the land grab, SFW must either join those groups to oppose the National Park or they must support the banning of hunting in the area. Which is it?

That's the problem with your shortsighted argument, Muley73. Sometimes intellectual honesty creates strange bedfellows. Let's see where SFW comes in. Any bets?

Grizzly

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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
Grizz,
No I don't hear the SFW membership on social media supporting wolf reintroduction or companies like REI. Big difference Grizz. You're acting like I'm assuming or trying to connect dots. I'm not I'm addressing the comments the BHA membership were making on social media. I am not surprised that you can't see the difference. You're so blinded by hate for the SFW it's the only thing you can see.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-17 AT 11:25PM (MST)[p]

Grizzly

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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-17 AT 08:22PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-17 AT 08:20?PM (MST)

Tonight (Fri Dec 22) on KUED Channel 7, 7:30pm, Hinckley Report. 25 min in-depth discussion: Public Lands in Utah. Guests: David Nimkin/National Parks Conservation Assoc., Judy Fahys/KUER, Boyd Matheson/Sutherland Institute. Should be interesting.

Edited: OR NOT! Clearly one-sided! Pro-BIG Monument/National Park!
 
>Tonight (Fri Dec 22) on KUED
>Channel 7, 7:30pm, Hinckley Report.
>25 min in-depth discussion: Public
>Lands in Utah. Guests: David
>Nimkin/National Parks Conservation Assoc., Judy
>Fahys/KUER, Boyd Matheson/Sutherland Institute. Should
>be interesting.
>
>Edited: OR NOT! Clearly one-sided! Pro-BIG
>Monument/National Park!

I didn't catch it, but too bad it wasn't a better discussion.

David Nimkin is pro-monument (and anti-Escalante National Park) and Sutherland is anti-monument... so it had a chance at being a relevant exchange.


Grizzly

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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 

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