A Ride Back in Time

littlebighorn

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I was blown away recently when my son pointed out to me that you can now access all old issues of Outdoor Life, clear back to 1909 by subscribing online. I am a huge Jack O'Connor fan, so this was like finding a 40" ram for me.
I quickly subscribed for a month of access for $7.99. I have spent the last 3 hours reading issues that were written even well before I was born, and I am old! It has been incredibly enlightening and way more fun that watching "the bachelor" on TV.
Articles from 1929 on gun control and the effects scopes would have on hunting. Pretty incredible "perspective"reading.

So while I know 95% of you won't give a rip, there may be a small percentage of you who would like to climb in the saddle for a "ride back in time".

http://covertocover.outdoorlife.com/
 
Let's go ahead and get this started early then.

Did Jack O'Connor use a guide?

Was Jack O'Connor a trophy hunter or did he hunt for the meat?

Did Jack O'Connor use the best technology of his time?

Did Jack O'Connor ever need more than one shot to put an animal down?

Did Jack O'Connor ever wound an animal that he didn't recover?

Did Jack O'Connor ever shoot at an animal that he could have got closer to, so he could see the look in their eyes when they first saw him?

Did Jack O'Connor ever hunt out of his home State.

Did Jack O'Connor ever disagree over ballistics, caliber, etc, with other hunters?

littlebighorn, as your enjoying those great old articles, cut and paste a few of his exploits where he's engaging in some of the same discussions we are now having, with righteous indignation, as if we are the first born hunters dealing with these age old issues.

Glad you enjoying the old magazines. I've been reading old books through:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24317/24317-h/24317-h.htm

Roosevelt and blacktail deer:

"The ground underfoot was wet and sticky; the rain continued all day long. Once, at a distance, they saw two or three blacktail deer, and a little later they came upon a single buck. They crept to within two hundred yards. Roosevelt fired, and missed. There was every reason why he should miss, for the distance was great and the rain made a clear aim impossible; but it happened that, as the deer bounded away, Joe Ferris fired at a venture, and brought him down. It was a shot in a thousand.

Roosevelt flung his gun on the ground. "By Godfrey!" he exclaimed. "I'd give anything in the world if I could shoot like that!"

Roosevelt and buffalo:

"The horses were slow beasts, and were tired besides and in no condition for running. Roosevelt and his mentor picketed them in a hollow, half a mile from the game, and started off on their hands and knees. Roosevelt blundered into a bed of cactus and filled his hands with the spines; but he came within a hundred and fifty feet or less of the buffalo. He drew up and fired. The bullet made the dust fly from the hide as it hit the body with a loud crack, but apparently did no particular harm. The three buffalo made off over a low rise with their tails in the air.

The hunters returned to their horses in disgust, and for seven or eight miles loped the jaded animals along at a brisk pace. Now and again they saw the quarry far ahead. Finally, when the sun had just set, they saw that all three had come to a stand in a gentle hollow. There was no cover anywhere. They determined, as a last desperate resort, to try to run them on their worn-out ponies.

The bison faced them for an instant, then turned and made off. With spurs and quirt, Roosevelt urged his tired pony forward. Night closed in and the full moon rose out of the black haze on the horizon. The pony plunged to within sixty or seventy yards of the wounded bull, and could gain no more. Joe Ferris, better mounted, forged ahead. The bull, seeing him coming, swerved. Roosevelt cut across and came almost up to him. The ground over which they were running was broken into holes and ditches, and the fagged horses floundered and pitched forward at every step.

At twenty feet, Roosevelt fired, but the pony was pitching like a launch in a storm, and he missed. He dashed in closer.

The bull's tail went up and he wheeled suddenly and charged with lowered horns.

The pony, panic-stricken, spun round and tossed up his head, striking the rifle which Roosevelt was holding in both hands and knocking it violently against his forehead, cutting a deep gash. The blood poured into Roosevelt's eyes.

Ferris reined in his pony. "All right?" he called, evidently frightened.

"Don't mind me!" Roosevelt shouted, without turning an instant from the business in hand. "I'm all right."

For an instant it was a question whether Roosevelt would get the buffalo or the buffalo would get Roosevelt. But he swerved his horse, and the buffalo, plunging past, charged Ferris and followed him as he made off over the broken ground, uncomfortably close to the tired pony's tail. Roosevelt, half-blinded, tried to run in on him again, but his pony stopped, dead beat; and by no spurring could he force him out of a slow trot. Ferris, swerving suddenly and dismounting, fired, but the dim moonlight made accurate aim impossible, and the buffalo, to the utter chagrin of the hunters, lumbered off and vanished into the darkness. Roosevelt followed him for a short space afoot in hopeless and helpless wrath.""


Roosevelt and mountain goat::
It would have been strange if, after this epistolary exchange, the two men should not have been rather curious about each other's personalities. Roosevelt, descending from the train at a way-station in the mountains, found a huge, broad-shouldered man his own age, waiting for him, The man was not over-cordial.(p. 420)
He did not, he later admitted, regard Roosevelt's corduroy knee-pants with favor.
Roosevelt, knowing how to catch a hunter, showed Willis his guns. "Will you go on a trip with me?" he asked.
"I am going to start out day after to-morrow for a three or four weeks' hunt," Willis answered. "If you want to go along as my guest, you are welcome to. But I want to tell you before we go, I won't take any booze."
"Why do you say that?" asked Roosevelt, thoroughly interested in this strange creature.
"Why, I've an idea you are some brewer's son who's made a lot of money. You look as if you'd been raised on beer."
Roosevelt roared with delight. "I want to make a contract with you," he said. "I will give you twenty-five dollars for everything that you show me in the way of game."
"I don't want it," said Willis gruffly.
"Then I will buy the grub."
"All the grub I'll take along won't amount to more than three or four dollars?a hundred pounds of flour, twenty-five pounds of bacon, dried apples, and black tea. That's all you'll get."
"By George," cried Roosevelt, "that's fine!"
"You can't stand a trip like this," Willis remarked with deadly frankness.
"You take me on the trip and I'll show you. I can train myself to walk as far as you can."
Willis doubted it and said so.
(p. 421)
They camped far up in the mountains, hunting day after day through the deep woods just below the timber-line. Roosevelt and Merrifield were accustomed to life in the saddle, and although they had varied it with an occasional long walk after deer or sheep, they were quite unable to cope with Willis when it came to mountaineering. The climbing was hard, the footing was treacherous, and the sharp rocks tore their moccasins into ribbons. There was endless underbrush, thickets of prickly balsam or laurel?but there were no goats.
At last, one mid-afternoon, as he was supporting himself against a tree, halfway across a long landslide, Roosevelt suddenly discovered one of the beasts he was after, a short distance away, making his way down a hill, looking for all the world like a handsome tame billy. He was in a bad position for a shot, and as he twisted himself about he dislodged some pebbles. The goat, instantly alert, fled. Roosevelt fired, but the shot went low, only breaking a fore-leg.
The three men raced and scrambled after the fleeing animal. It leaped along the hillside for nearly a mile, then turned straight up the mountain. They followed the bloody trail where it went up the sharpest and steepest places, skirting the cliffs and precipices.
Roosevelt, intent on the quarry, was not what Bill Sewall would have called "over-cautious" in the pursuit.
He was running along a shelving ledge when a piece of loose slate with which the ledge was covered slipped under his foot. He clutched at the rock wall, he tried to fling himself back, but he could not recover himself.
He went head first over the precipice.
Roosevelt's luck was with him that day. He fell forty or fifty feet into a tall pine, bounced through it, and landed finally, not uncomfortably, in a thick balsam, somewhat shaken and scratched, but with no bones broken and with his rifle still clutched in his hand.
From above came the hoarse voice of John Willis. "Are you hurt?" he asked.
"No," answered Roosevelt, a trifle breathless.
"Then come on!"
Roosevelt "came on," scrambling back up the steep height he had so swiftly descended, and raced after the guide. He came upon the goat at last, but winded as he was, and with the sweat in his eyes, he shot too high, cutting the skin above the spine. The goat plunged downhill and the hunters plunged after him, pursuing the elusive animal until darkness covered the trail.
"Now," said Willis, "I expect you are getting tired."
"By George," said Roosevelt, "how far have we gone?"
"About fifteen or twenty miles up and down the mountains."
"If we get that goat to-morrow, I will give you a hundred dollars."
(p. 423)
"I don't want a hundred dollars. But we'll get the goat."
Roosevelt brought him down the next day at noon.""

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The Gutenberg has thousands of old books that I enjoy because the tell the truth about the early days of sport hunting.

http://www.gutenberg.org for those that are interested in those "ways and times".

DC
 
So?

Here We are 88 years later wondering(Actually Knowing!)how Optics will effect Game Herds!

Nothing ever being done about it Though!
 
One of the greatest battles of all time is O'Connor vs Elmer Kieth discussing big bore vs medium bore. As a kid I couldn't get enough of Jack and Elmer. Teddy was a game hog.
 
Reading this post reminds me of when I was a kid and read my uncles Outdoor life magazines with Jack O' Connor.

We here talk of all kinds of different calibers and ballistics of each one and which one is best.

If I remember right and this was an long time ago he only shot a .270 for everything and swore by it. Sheep Elk Deer I can't remember him using anything else. In fact I always wanted an .270 because of him.

I will subscribe to this as all of the magazines and TV shows now days don't come close to these articles in Outdoor Life.

Remember this happened to Me and the stories that followed, one of my favorite parts each month.
 
"This Happened To Me" was always the first thing I read every month when my issue arrived.

You'll have to forgive me, but as a kid I never could quite relate to Jack O'Conner. Nothing against the guy, it's just that we didn't have anything in common. I couldn't even dare think about taking 6 weeks off to go on a sheep hunt. It didn't seem very cost effective to me at the time. :D

And Roosevelt just seemed like a rich slob hunter going for the thrill of the adventure because there was something missing in his life. More of a wannabe who had to hire every thing done for him.
 
Cabin fever always get's me waxing nostalgic, that's why I turn to this old stuff. I just reread two of JOC's books as as well. But it's fun reading for me and yes it does remind me that we have faced many of our current problems for a long time, but for different reasons.

And for the record DH53, old Jack used lots of different calibers to hunt with and liked many besides his pet 270. He was also fond of the 30 06, 7X57, and 7mm Mag etc. He just had a "special" liking for the 270 and used it more than anything else, but that's why many of us bought them.

It would be fun to share thoughts from the past if any of you are so inclined.
 
Interesting replies. This site has a few replies questioning Roosevelt. Another site boosts about Roosevelt. One site everyone just bitches about stuff. The other has members active in conservation and politics related to hunting and fishing.

Hmmmm....
 
Thanks LBH as a kid I would read a old book by Jim Bond sp?,I think it was called "is this north americas greatest trophy?"
 
I don't think u can argue that Roosevelt was some DIY hero. He wasn't.

But he, and a small handful with him, may not have originated the conservation movement, but from his pedestal he popularized it.

JOC from the stuff I've read of his, was one of the old writers for whom the adventure and the HUNT were the focus.

I'm sure he wasn't a purist, but I doubt he had a posse, t shirts, rock songs, like most of the wanna be celebrities we have today.




"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
But, but, but...........Roosevelt saved us. He inspired the Holy Grail, (NAWCM) some say he came back and actually wrote it, 80 years after his death. (Roosevelt neither wrote nor did he ever read it.) How could our hero be a wannabe.

Maybe we could write a new Outdoor Life story about the "real" man rather than the "mythical man". Would that cause a lively debate. Kind of on the level of O'Connor and Keith.

I loved "This Happened To Me", it was worth subscribing to Outdoor Life.

Is it great to a able to go back and read the writings of previous generations. What I find so revealing is how the old timers had most of the same concerns and the same ideological arguments as we are still having, amongst ourselves. and we think we have original thoughts....... not!

"There's nothing new, under the sun", said someone, a few thousand years ago.

DC
 
Yes, if you read TR's writings, he nearly always had a posse with him and he loved his posse and learned a lot from them.

I like Roosevelt, but he was not the person many modern hunters/conservationists believe he was, because they have not read his literature.

He was rich, very rich.
He killed for meat, for fun, and for heads with bones and horns.
He was tough in a world of tough men.
He was a conservationist.
He was ruthless, in the field and in the political arena.
He was a grand-stander.
He was pragmatic.
He "made" things happen.
He used the wealthy, used them to help the poor man who also benefited from the
the rich man's money. And yes....... the rich men got "extras" will they were preserving the life style for us poor boys.

Roosevelt reminds me of Donald Trump, one century removed. Like a plumber with a butt crack, fixing a sh!tty situation.

DC
 
That's the really beautiful part of the natural world and our public lands that we can all hunt. You can travel back in time or go out tomorrow and the goals are the same, even though we have our different pursuits.

To rickychen, trapping a Jungle fowl is as important and meaningful to him as shooting a sheep was to Jack O'Conner. And both are right.

The important thing is that we can do it.

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Look at that picture of Roosevelt, all fancied up in those buck skins, belt knife, fancy modern long range repeating rifle. A flatty hat, circa 1875! Sorry, he was dressed to impress!!!

D.C.
 
I thought teddy would be a god to utards. After all hes a founder of "the book". For no other place besides utardia uses scores for the metrics of herd health or success of a hunt.
 
........ but not everyone has your grasp of the big picture...... eel. A guy doesn't have to look far.

DC
 
Power. TR had it. And at a time when nearly all the power was for enriching themselves at all cost, he cut across that grain. And short term, he paid a pretty big price for it.


AWESOME. We don't use metrics. We come up with 5 year plans. Then change it 2 years in. Then again in 2 years. Translation is no one knows if anything worked. Combine that with the special interest group that runs the WB and from year to year, a dice is more consistent.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Hey wait a minute here the deer season ran from third Saturday in October to the end of November in the 70's as Manti, Nebo and a couple of other places had extended seasons.

I guess for me the Outdoor life took me to another place when I was reading it. I would read O'Connor's story and think wow how would that be to be on an hunt like that. So I guess in some ways I lived vicariously through his stories.

And yes I too bought an .270 because of him. Once I got it and used it I shot a deer with it and never found it. One of the only times in my life that happened to me. So so much for reading all about how great the .270 guns were I wasn't all that impressed.
 

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