WY fish and game compromised

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-18 AT 08:07PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-18 AT 08:05?PM (MST)

No doubt there are a lot of sportsmen
And woman who have spent a fortune and a lot of time waiting for a coveted tag.
Sometimes spending decades waiting and thousands of dollars in Preference points and application fees/licenses.

I look at both the financial aspect and time I've spent waiting, as an investment.

The saying you've got to pay to play is in full force especially when you consider hunting outside of your home state.

A lot of questions and concerns arise when you learn that a States fish and game application security has been compromised. Such as in Wyoming.

https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/ut...g-computer-system-to-apply-for-two-moose-tags

It never surprises me to the lengths some will go to cheat, rob, steal from others all for in the name of greed.

But I have some concerned questions and need answers to to this crazy news.
I am by no means a computer tech nerd and I have zero network security skills unlike my brother who does it for a living. Which we have talked about this developing news.

I will be contacting my states wildlife office and whomever else I need to talk to in order to figure out how vulnerable their system is to being exploited and has it been compromised before??
I have little faith that I will get the answers to the questions that I have but it won't stop me from trying.

I would like to talk with security staff who can answer my questions.
1-Have they had an independent, third-party security review of their tag application system?
2-Who performed the test and how thorough was it?
3-Can I see an executive summary of the results?
4-What are they doing to secure the application, not just the network or servers, from compromise or manipulation?

If those questions go unanswered, I can always look into filing a Freedom of Information Act or GRAMMA request to obtain the report, but that costs money, may require legal representation, and may still not get me the info that I want.



"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
Really? You don't have better things to do. You should be more worried about WYOGA stealing your tags than people hacking the system. Just saying...
 
I saw that on facebook. Looks like he may have hacked into the system and drew a couple of moose tags. Also allegedly loaded himself up with sheep points. I believe this is the same guy with the point hunter app.
 
They don't need to hack the system to get your info!

I was contacted by a guy from Wisconsin asking about my hunt. I finally asked him how he got my contact info. He contacted the Game and Fish department who sent him a list of hunters for that year. I was a little pissed to say the least!
 
Thats pretty common with all the states now. I drew a tag and 5 taxidermists called me. Outfitter flyers in the mail...
 
Personally, I doubt he was the only one doing this. Probably just the only one who got caught because he was greedy taking two moose tags. Had he just tried to fly normal and pick up a good tag once per year or every other year he would have probably been fine.
 
I agree Marburg. What also worries me is knowing he has other businesses or is involved with that are related to hunting applications. Such as Huntinfool and others.

I hope the courts make an example out of him for his actions for being a thief!
Just makes me wonder how many others have carefully gotten their hand in the cookie jar before this and haven't got caught.








"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
>They don't need to hack the
>system to get your info!
>
>
>I was contacted by a guy
>from Wisconsin asking about my
>hunt. I finally asked him
>how he got my contact
>info. He contacted the Game
>and Fish department who sent
>him a list of hunters
>for that year. I was
>a little pissed to say
>the least!

Hey DC!

That's what happens when you start BRAGGIN & Postin Pics of Your PISSCUTTER & Your FLATTY on the Internet!:D
 
Seems if I was a prosecutor I would want to go through his customer list.

I'm sure an upstanding businessman like this would never take a little side cash to do his "service" for others.



"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>Thats pretty common with all the
>states now. I drew
>a tag and 5 taxidermists
>called me. Outfitter flyers
>in the mail...


when you draw a Lq tag the outfitters and taxidermist get a list ASAP from game and fish and send them out to you. Back in 2011 when I got my mountain goat tag the day after the results I had several flyers in the mail.
Im not sure what day they get the info from the game and fish
 
You can get 4 deer preference points a year in Wyoming if you know the code....:D

Makes you wonder alright.

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It will be interesting how it plays out. From what I've heard almost every single charge has been or will be thrown out. Time will tell.
 
It's unfortunate, but it happens sometimes more then you realize. I worked with a guy in Cheyenne in the 90's that drew his sheep tag one year, moose the next, mountain goat the next year, and his limited entry bull elk tag the next. When I asked him about it he just winked and said it's who you know. Guess he had a guy on the inside that did the drawings in Cheyenne. I did hear they changed the way they did it shortly thereafter, maybe they were getting on to that guy on the inside.
 
Luck happens! I know a guy here in Wyoming that drew bull bison, mountain goat, and random moose in consecutive years and he's as honest as they come. This just occurred over the past few years. We threatened to drag him to Vegas. Sometime the wildlife gods just smile on someone. (And for some reason they stay mad at me.)
 
How is every charge already throw out when he just got busted? You CAN NOT Hack into a govt Server with a special App that basically is designed to leave that transaction open while you continue to re-apply. Are you kidding me? These guys know what they are doing and have been doing it for years. They are programmers and developers. The own the App PointHunter. These guys have probably been doing this in every state in the west. Typical white collar crime. But WY is no joke. It should be interesting to see what happens. It just sucks for us normal guys that there are people this greedy, this crooked. I hope they throw the book at these guys. Screw the Russians! We've got Govt Hackers right here in the west. Crooks! If you support PointHunter just know that this is what you are supporting. I saw this on Guy Eastmans Facebook too. If anything they should stay out of the Hunting Industry. This is what happens when you believe you are better than everyone else, smarter than everyone else. richer than everyone else.
Byron Oldham - Spanish Fork Utah


Take a look: Stear Clear of these hacks!

"Byron Oldham is accused of using a computer program to hack the Wyoming Game and Fish Department's (WGFD) online system to apply for two nonresident moose tags. Oldham, who is charged with ?an intellectual property crime of modifying data in a computer network,? may face three years in prison if found guilty.

Oldham currently runs two hunting businesses:
GotMyTag LLC and HuntinTool LLC. GotMyTag,




https://photos.google.com/u/2/photo/AF1QipPDpe_HQVp8TcPfRI-VJ7hBvDX2v4TZZFUwB4j_
 
A few facts for those who want to know.

I am the guy who does the PointHunter App.
I see lots said in newspapers and on the internet about my case in Wyoming.

The internet and the newspapers somehow know way more than I do about the case.
I would love to know the details because I cannot get the "discovery". (a legal term I recently learned about.) I have been told I will get this for weeks.
The case is only against me personally not my company or the PointHunter app.

From my view the PointHunter app and other parts of my software only do exactly what you can personally in your browser. I just do it with a computer.

As a few side notes.
The PointHunter app does not sell or give your data to anyone.
If you want to be taken out of the system email [email protected] and we will remove your data.
I wrote PointHunter to look up my points in many states. I was doing this for my family and it took a long time.
I would love to know how I got 2 moose tags? I never remember even getting one.
There are many other things said that I have no understanding where they came from.

I do not know how to argue the accusations in court or on social media or on the internet or in newspapers. They all seem to have way more information than I have. In the end of this I hope to clear my name.

This thread was started because of worries about personal data security in the state systems. This is not a comment on the security of any state website. I have not worried about the data security of the state websites. I use a browser just like any other user to do what you can do personally on the websites.

Thanks,
Byron Oldham
 
>A few facts for those who
>want to know.
>
>I am the guy who does
>the PointHunter App.
>I see lots said in newspapers
>and on the internet about
>my case in Wyoming.
>
>The internet and the newspapers somehow
>know way more than I
>do about the case.
>I would love to know the
>details because I cannot get
>the "discovery". (a legal term
>I recently learned about.) I
>have been told I will
>get this for weeks.
>The case is only against me
>personally not my company or
>the PointHunter app.
>
>From my view the PointHunter app
>and other parts of my
>software only do exactly what
>you can personally in your
>browser. I just do
>it with a computer.
>
>As a few side notes.
>The PointHunter app does not sell
>or give your data to
>anyone.
>If you want to be taken
>out of the system email
>[email protected] and we will remove
>your data.
>I wrote PointHunter to look up
>my points in many states.
> I was doing this
>for my family and it
>took a long time.
>I would love to know how
>I got 2 moose tags?
> I never remember even
>getting one.
>There are many other things said
>that I have no understanding
>where they came from.
>
>I do not know how to
>argue the accusations in court
>or on social media or
>on the internet or in
>newspapers. They all seem
>to have way more information
>than I have. In
>the end of this I
>hope to clear my name.
>
>
>This thread was started because of
>worries about personal data security
>in the state systems. This
>is not a comment on
>the security of any state
>website. I have not
>worried about the data security
>of the state websites. I
>use a browser just like
>any other user to do
>what you can do personally
>on the websites.
>
>Thanks,
>Byron Oldham

The way I read it, you are accused of applying two separate times for a moose tag. If you figured out a way to beat the system, I hope you will pay a price for that if found guilty.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-18 AT 09:54AM (MST)[p]>The way I read it, you
>are accused of applying two
>separate times for a moose
>tag. If you figured out
>a way to beat the
>system, I hope you will
>pay a price for that
>if found guilty.


I doubt seriously that the defendant doesn't know exactly what he's being charged with and exactly what they say he did to hack the system to be charged with a felony! He's obviously innocent until proven guilty, but if they prove he did what he did I hope he does some time behind bars because this kind of white collar crime needs to be stopped and that's the only way to do it, rather than a slap on the wrist that a lot of these judges are handing out!
 
>A few facts for those who
>want to know.
>
>I am the guy who does
>the PointHunter App.
>I see lots said in newspapers
>and on the internet about
>my case in Wyoming.
>
>The internet and the newspapers somehow
>know way more than I
>do about the case.
>I would love to know the
>details because I cannot get
>the "discovery". (a legal term
>I recently learned about.) I
>have been told I will
>get this for weeks.
>The case is only against me
>personally not my company or
>the PointHunter app.
>
>From my view the PointHunter app
>and other parts of my
>software only do exactly what
>you can personally in your
>browser. I just do
>it with a computer.
>
>As a few side notes.
>The PointHunter app does not sell
>or give your data to
>anyone.
>If you want to be taken
>out of the system email
>[email protected] and we will remove
>your data.
>I wrote PointHunter to look up
>my points in many states.
> I was doing this
>for my family and it
>took a long time.
>I would love to know how
>I got 2 moose tags?
> I never remember even
>getting one.
>There are many other things said
>that I have no understanding
>where they came from.
>
>I do not know how to
>argue the accusations in court
>or on social media or
>on the internet or in
>newspapers. They all seem
>to have way more information
>than I have. In
>the end of this I
>hope to clear my name.
>
>
>This thread was started because of
>worries about personal data security
>in the state systems. This
>is not a comment on
>the security of any state
>website. I have not
>worried about the data security
>of the state websites. I
>use a browser just like
>any other user to do
>what you can do personally
>on the websites.
>
>Thanks,
>Byron Oldham
Did you do something to manipulate the draw system or create an unfair advantage for yourself or not? Its pretty simple. The state is not bringing felony charges against any other of the hundreds of thousands of applicants...just you. I wonder why?
 
>Did you do something to manipulate
>the draw system or create
>an unfair advantage for yourself
>or not? Its pretty
>simple. The state is
>not bringing felony charges against
>any other of the hundreds
>of thousands of applicants...just you.
> I wonder why?


You don't really think that he's going to reply to you that he's guilty of figuring out and then hacking the system do you?
 
I would like to believe in peoples goodness, but eventually, something that stinks in the closet is gonna be found. Too bad!

Sh_t does happen, and lightning can strike twice in the same place. It is called luck of the draw, with no manipulation at all. It did with me several years back when I drew a sheep tag, then a goat tag for the same unit the next year, and finally a moose tag here by the house in a desirable area. The odds of that happening 3 years in a row have to be tens of thousands to one, but it did.
 
The GoHunt article doesn't mention that he also attempted applying for Bighorn sheep 99 times in a matter of minutes also using his little system hack... not a chance in hell is his little "Im innocent" response above true.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-18 AT 12:19PM (MST)[p]>The GoHunt article doesn't mention that
>he also attempted applying for
>Bighorn sheep 99 times in
>a matter of minutes also
>using his little system hack...
>not a chance in hell
>is his little "Im innocent"
>response above true.

When I read that 99 times applying for sheep in another article somewhere it sealed the deal for me, but I guess his excuse on that will be that he only hit the keypad once and the system itself just screwed up and multiplied it by 99, LOL!
 
>>Did you do something to manipulate
>>the draw system or create
>>an unfair advantage for yourself
>>or not? Its pretty
>>simple. The state is
>>not bringing felony charges against
>>any other of the hundreds
>>of thousands of applicants...just you.
>> I wonder why?
>
>
>You don't really think that he's
>going to reply to you
>that he's guilty of figuring
>out and then hacking the
>system do you?
No, I would not expect a guilty person to reply to any questions when they are facing felony charges.

If he were innocent - and stood wrongly accused - I would expect an explanation...and I would expect extraordinary anger directed at the false accusers.
 
I would expect his attorney, whether guilty or innocent, to tell him to quit posting on online forums or even talking about this in public.

Oh, if you don't have an attorney, you should hire one if for nothing else than to tell you to quit posting on online forums about your case!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-18 AT 02:01PM (MST)[p]Quit giving him all that free advice Vanilla, LOL! I was actually very surprised that he would come on the net like that and say anything about this case, especially the stupid statement that he doesn't know how he got two moose tags and doesn't even remember getting one---yea, right and I'm going to draw a sheep tag this year without even applying, LOL!
 
I assume the authorities got a warrant and seized his computer. During the discovery part of the trial, his attorney will be able to refresh Mr. Oldham's memory as to the details of how and why he is being charged. I hope he is totally innocent.

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>"I did not have sexual relations
>with that women...."

"My cigar on the other hand....."


#livelikezac
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-18 AT 06:10AM (MST)[p]>>"I did not have sexual relations
>>with that women...."
>
>"My cigar on the other hand....."
>
>
>
>#livelikezac

I have never looked at a hoyo de monterrey double corona the same ever again...
 

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