elkassassin
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ZINKE!!!
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grizzly
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TRCP seems to be supportive...
?We?re grateful to Secretary Zinke and this administration for taking the first step toward conserving these areas which have been overlooked or only recently identified. Bringing our conservation policies up to date with what we've learned from the latest research and GPS tracking technology will allow America?s hunting traditions to continue to thrive and support our country?s $887-billion outdoor recreation economy," says Whit Fosburgh, president and CEO of the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership.
http://www.trcp.org/2018/02/09/new-...effort-conserve-big-game-migration-corridors/
Grizzly
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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
?We?re grateful to Secretary Zinke and this administration for taking the first step toward conserving these areas which have been overlooked or only recently identified. Bringing our conservation policies up to date with what we've learned from the latest research and GPS tracking technology will allow America?s hunting traditions to continue to thrive and support our country?s $887-billion outdoor recreation economy," says Whit Fosburgh, president and CEO of the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership.
http://www.trcp.org/2018/02/09/new-...effort-conserve-big-game-migration-corridors/
Grizzly
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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
BeanMan
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-18 AT 09:08AM (MST)[p]I'm glad he signed what I am assuming is the Pittman Robertson act money, did he have a choice?
" he told the crowd gathered at the Western Hunting & Conservation Expo, noting he had signed a $1.2 billion distribution of revenue to states garnered from the sale of sportsmen-related equipment like angling equipment and ammunition.
" he told the crowd gathered at the Western Hunting & Conservation Expo, noting he had signed a $1.2 billion distribution of revenue to states garnered from the sale of sportsmen-related equipment like angling equipment and ammunition.
At a press conference, Zinke said Friday there was "no chance" the boundary reductions at Bears Ears would be revisited by his office, despite the repeated protests.
"Not one square inch was removed from federal protection, it is how it is managed," he said. "Public land belongs to people and not special interests."
I've been told on these pages it's all goin back to the states to be sold off and fenced out?
#livelikezac
"Not one square inch was removed from federal protection, it is how it is managed," he said. "Public land belongs to people and not special interests."
I've been told on these pages it's all goin back to the states to be sold off and fenced out?
#livelikezac
hossblur
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>At a press conference, Zinke said
>Friday there was "no chance"
>the boundary reductions at Bears
>Ears would be revisited by
>his office, despite the repeated
>protests.
>
>"Not one square inch was removed
>from federal protection, it is
>how it is managed," he
>said. "Public land belongs to
>people and not special interests."
>
>
>I've been told on these pages
>it's all goin back to
>the states to be sold
>off and fenced out?
>
>
>#livelikezac
Someone should tell Rob Bishop that. Or the ALC.
That policy according to Zinke has an expiration date of as long as he's in office.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
>Friday there was "no chance"
>the boundary reductions at Bears
>Ears would be revisited by
>his office, despite the repeated
>protests.
>
>"Not one square inch was removed
>from federal protection, it is
>how it is managed," he
>said. "Public land belongs to
>people and not special interests."
>
>
>I've been told on these pages
>it's all goin back to
>the states to be sold
>off and fenced out?
>
>
>#livelikezac
Someone should tell Rob Bishop that. Or the ALC.
That policy according to Zinke has an expiration date of as long as he's in office.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
grizzly
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-18 AT 08:28PM (MST)[p]>I've been told on these pages
>it's all goin back to
>the states to be sold
>off and fenced out?
Fact --Official Platform of the Republican Party... "Congress shall immediately pass universal legislation providing for a timely and orderly mechanism requiring the federal government to convey certain federally controlled public lands to states."
Fact --Acres granted to Utah at Statehood - 7.5 Million Acres; Acres sold to private interests by Utah since that time - 4.1 Million Acres (Utah has already sold 54% of their original allotment)
Fact --Total acres of Private land in Utah - 11.4 Million Acres; This means 36% of all private land in Utah was once state-owned. Think about how much private land there is in areas you want to hunt/fish and realize that over 1/3 of that was once public property.
Perfect Anecdotal Evidence --Comb Ridge outside Bluff was recently sold by SITLA to Lyman Family Farms which closed the road and thus access to public land (http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4784759&itype=CMSID)
The eventual demise of state-owned land is clear and indisputable. It is also indisputable that there is nothing in the land-transfer arsenal to prevent the privatization of public land. The only reason one has to believe the land will remain public is a politician's stump speech. This is no different than, "If you like your insurance plan, you can keep your insurance plan." How many of us are still on the same insurance plan? Anybody?
Stand back and review the evidence with an open mind and there is no way a person can reach the conclusion that public land will remain public once its transferred to the state.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>it's all goin back to
>the states to be sold
>off and fenced out?
Fact --Official Platform of the Republican Party... "Congress shall immediately pass universal legislation providing for a timely and orderly mechanism requiring the federal government to convey certain federally controlled public lands to states."
Fact --Acres granted to Utah at Statehood - 7.5 Million Acres; Acres sold to private interests by Utah since that time - 4.1 Million Acres (Utah has already sold 54% of their original allotment)
Fact --Total acres of Private land in Utah - 11.4 Million Acres; This means 36% of all private land in Utah was once state-owned. Think about how much private land there is in areas you want to hunt/fish and realize that over 1/3 of that was once public property.
Perfect Anecdotal Evidence --Comb Ridge outside Bluff was recently sold by SITLA to Lyman Family Farms which closed the road and thus access to public land (http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4784759&itype=CMSID)
The eventual demise of state-owned land is clear and indisputable. It is also indisputable that there is nothing in the land-transfer arsenal to prevent the privatization of public land. The only reason one has to believe the land will remain public is a politician's stump speech. This is no different than, "If you like your insurance plan, you can keep your insurance plan." How many of us are still on the same insurance plan? Anybody?
Stand back and review the evidence with an open mind and there is no way a person can reach the conclusion that public land will remain public once its transferred to the state.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>>I've been told on these pages
>>it's all goin back to
>>the states to be sold
>>off and fenced out?
>
>Fact --Official Platform of the Republican
>Party... "Congress shall immediately pass
>universal legislation providing for a
>timely and orderly mechanism requiring
>the federal government to convey
>certain federally controlled public lands
>to states."
>
It sounds a little different when you read the whole thing.....
The federal government owns or controls over 640 million acres of land in the United States, most of which is in the West. These are public lands, and the public should have access to them for appropriate activities like hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting. Federal ownership or management of land also places an economic burden on counties and local communities in terms of lost revenue to pay for things such as schools, police, and emergency services. It is absurd to think that all that acreage must remain under the absentee ownership or management of official Washington. Congress shall immediately pass universal legislation providing for a timely and orderly mechanism requiring the federal government to convey certain federally controlled public lands to states. We call upon all national and state leaders and representatives to exert their utmost power and influence to urge the transfer of those lands, identified in the review process, to all willing states for the benefit of the states and the nation as a whole.
Nowhere does it say all 640 million Acres of federally owned land will be immediately transferred to the states.
Can you tell me if the review process has taken place? Can you tell me which lands have been identified in the review process?
>Fact --Acres granted to Utah at
>Statehood - 7.5 Million Acres;
>Acres sold to private interests
>by Utah since that time
>- 4.1 Million Acres (Utah
>has already sold 54% of
>their original allotment)
>
This was the state trust land program completely separate and different from what's ahead of us. These State trust lands were known as school sections to be used by local communities to generate Revenue for schools. If the sections were sold money generated from the sale was to be invested in a trust and remain there creating a Revenue stream for public education.
>Fact --Total acres of Private land
>in Utah - 11.4 Million
>Acres; This means 36% of
>all private land in Utah
>was once state-owned. Think about
>how much private land there
>is in areas you want
>to hunt/fish and realize that
>over 1/3 of that was
>once public property.
>
It wasn't public property it was State trust land again a completely different situation than what we're talking about today. I'd love to see a map of the School sections that have been sold in Utah. I suspect many of them are in urban sprawl areas. Those in rural areas are probably still in state ownership. And I suspect like Colorado of those that are in rural areas only some of them can be accessed. Nothing has said these lands will be added to the state trust land program. Show me any documentation that says otherwise I would love to see it.
>Perfect Anecdotal Evidence --Comb Ridge outside
>Bluff was recently sold by
>SITLA to Lyman Family Farms
>which closed the road and
>thus access to public land
>(http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4784759&itype=CMSID)
>
>The eventual demise of state-owned land
>is clear and indisputable. It
>is also indisputable that there
>is nothing in the land-transfer
>arsenal to prevent the privatization
>of public land. The only
>reason one has to believe
>the land will remain public
>is a politician's stump speech.
>This is no different than,
>"If you like your insurance
>plan, you can keep your
>insurance plan." How many of
>us are still on the
>same insurance plan? Anybody?
>
>Stand back and review the evidence
>with an open mind and
>there is no way a
>person can reach the conclusion
>that public land will remain
>public once its transferred to
>the state.
>
>Grizzly
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."
>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>
#livelikezac
>>it's all goin back to
>>the states to be sold
>>off and fenced out?
>
>Fact --Official Platform of the Republican
>Party... "Congress shall immediately pass
>universal legislation providing for a
>timely and orderly mechanism requiring
>the federal government to convey
>certain federally controlled public lands
>to states."
>
It sounds a little different when you read the whole thing.....
The federal government owns or controls over 640 million acres of land in the United States, most of which is in the West. These are public lands, and the public should have access to them for appropriate activities like hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting. Federal ownership or management of land also places an economic burden on counties and local communities in terms of lost revenue to pay for things such as schools, police, and emergency services. It is absurd to think that all that acreage must remain under the absentee ownership or management of official Washington. Congress shall immediately pass universal legislation providing for a timely and orderly mechanism requiring the federal government to convey certain federally controlled public lands to states. We call upon all national and state leaders and representatives to exert their utmost power and influence to urge the transfer of those lands, identified in the review process, to all willing states for the benefit of the states and the nation as a whole.
Nowhere does it say all 640 million Acres of federally owned land will be immediately transferred to the states.
Can you tell me if the review process has taken place? Can you tell me which lands have been identified in the review process?
>Fact --Acres granted to Utah at
>Statehood - 7.5 Million Acres;
>Acres sold to private interests
>by Utah since that time
>- 4.1 Million Acres (Utah
>has already sold 54% of
>their original allotment)
>
This was the state trust land program completely separate and different from what's ahead of us. These State trust lands were known as school sections to be used by local communities to generate Revenue for schools. If the sections were sold money generated from the sale was to be invested in a trust and remain there creating a Revenue stream for public education.
>Fact --Total acres of Private land
>in Utah - 11.4 Million
>Acres; This means 36% of
>all private land in Utah
>was once state-owned. Think about
>how much private land there
>is in areas you want
>to hunt/fish and realize that
>over 1/3 of that was
>once public property.
>
It wasn't public property it was State trust land again a completely different situation than what we're talking about today. I'd love to see a map of the School sections that have been sold in Utah. I suspect many of them are in urban sprawl areas. Those in rural areas are probably still in state ownership. And I suspect like Colorado of those that are in rural areas only some of them can be accessed. Nothing has said these lands will be added to the state trust land program. Show me any documentation that says otherwise I would love to see it.
>Perfect Anecdotal Evidence --Comb Ridge outside
>Bluff was recently sold by
>SITLA to Lyman Family Farms
>which closed the road and
>thus access to public land
>(http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4784759&itype=CMSID)
>
>The eventual demise of state-owned land
>is clear and indisputable. It
>is also indisputable that there
>is nothing in the land-transfer
>arsenal to prevent the privatization
>of public land. The only
>reason one has to believe
>the land will remain public
>is a politician's stump speech.
>This is no different than,
>"If you like your insurance
>plan, you can keep your
>insurance plan." How many of
>us are still on the
>same insurance plan? Anybody?
>
>Stand back and review the evidence
>with an open mind and
>there is no way a
>person can reach the conclusion
>that public land will remain
>public once its transferred to
>the state.
>
>Grizzly
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."
>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>
#livelikezac
grizzly
Long Time Member
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>Nowhere does it say all 640
>million Acres of federally owned
>land will be immediately transferred
>to the states.
Can you name one Utah Republican that voted against the Transfer of Public Lands Act? A law which clearly coincides with the plank of the Republican Platform demanding the transfer of Federal Lands to state-ownership.
It states: This bill requires the United States to extinguish title to public lands and transfer title to those public lands to the state on or before December 31, 2014;
The TPLA then goes on to designate how proceeds of those lands will be disbursed upon the state selling the land to private entities showing a clear intent to "transfer" (sell) public land.
TPLA designates: (2) "Net proceeds" means the proceeds from the sale of public lands, after subtracting expenses incident to the sale of the public lands
>This was the state trust land
>program completely separate and different
>from what's ahead of us.
The TPLA even declares that a percentage of the proceeds of the sell of what-is-now public land should be given to SITLA...
...provides that the 5% of the net proceeds of those sales of public lands shall be deposited into the permanent State School Fund;
>Nothing has said these lands
>will be added to the
>state trust land program. Show
>me any documentation that says
>otherwise I would love to
>see it.
TPLA reads: "Public lands" means lands within the exterior boundaries of this state except: (b) lands owned or held in trust by this state, or (d) school and institutional trust lands as defined in Section 53C-1-103
As you can see, neither SITLA, nor trust, nor state-owned lands are considered "public lands" under TPLA; though they are different legal designations. Those are differences without a distinction except for the fact that proceeds from pending sales will still go to SITLA and none of them are "public lands".
TPLA reads: During the 2012 interim, the Constitutional Defense Council created in Section 63C-4-101 shall prepare proposed legislation: e) to establish the conditions under which the state shall cede a national park to the United States, which may include: any circumstances under which a national park shall revert to the state; (g) determining what constitutes "expenses incident to the sale of public lands" described in Subsection 63L-6-102
This is yet another example of TPLA preparing for the sell of public lands.
************************
For the record, according to the most recent statistics I could find... Utah spent $3,173,804,834 on education. Of that, $269,727,658 came from Federal funding; $999,579,147 came from local funding (property taxes); $1,643,684,427 came from state funds; $260,813,602 came from miscellaneous sources; $8,388,000 came from SITLA. SITLA contributed .5% of education funding. I think its important that people know the real numbers since the media portrays that SITLA is some crucial entity in contributing to education, when they are more like a rounding error.
Notice the verbiage of the TPLA that is dedicated to selling public land and absolutely nowhere does it say the one simple sentence that would change the discussion, "No lands gained by 63L-6-103 shall be sold, disposed, or transferred to any entity and shall remain public land in perpetuity."
I've provided the facts about the history of Utah's land ownership, the propensity for land to be sold, the willingness (or even desire) for public land to be sold under TPLA, and the absolute lack of protection guaranteeing public land will remain public forever.
Some people are willing to risk the public land of their children and grandchildren on the unwritten promises of today's politicians... I however, am not.
It's good talking to you DW. Have a great one.
Utah Constitution Section III Article II:
The people inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the boundaries thereof;
Grizzly
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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>million Acres of federally owned
>land will be immediately transferred
>to the states.
Can you name one Utah Republican that voted against the Transfer of Public Lands Act? A law which clearly coincides with the plank of the Republican Platform demanding the transfer of Federal Lands to state-ownership.
It states: This bill requires the United States to extinguish title to public lands and transfer title to those public lands to the state on or before December 31, 2014;
The TPLA then goes on to designate how proceeds of those lands will be disbursed upon the state selling the land to private entities showing a clear intent to "transfer" (sell) public land.
TPLA designates: (2) "Net proceeds" means the proceeds from the sale of public lands, after subtracting expenses incident to the sale of the public lands
>This was the state trust land
>program completely separate and different
>from what's ahead of us.
The TPLA even declares that a percentage of the proceeds of the sell of what-is-now public land should be given to SITLA...
...provides that the 5% of the net proceeds of those sales of public lands shall be deposited into the permanent State School Fund;
>Nothing has said these lands
>will be added to the
>state trust land program. Show
>me any documentation that says
>otherwise I would love to
>see it.
TPLA reads: "Public lands" means lands within the exterior boundaries of this state except: (b) lands owned or held in trust by this state, or (d) school and institutional trust lands as defined in Section 53C-1-103
As you can see, neither SITLA, nor trust, nor state-owned lands are considered "public lands" under TPLA; though they are different legal designations. Those are differences without a distinction except for the fact that proceeds from pending sales will still go to SITLA and none of them are "public lands".
TPLA reads: During the 2012 interim, the Constitutional Defense Council created in Section 63C-4-101 shall prepare proposed legislation: e) to establish the conditions under which the state shall cede a national park to the United States, which may include: any circumstances under which a national park shall revert to the state; (g) determining what constitutes "expenses incident to the sale of public lands" described in Subsection 63L-6-102
This is yet another example of TPLA preparing for the sell of public lands.
************************
For the record, according to the most recent statistics I could find... Utah spent $3,173,804,834 on education. Of that, $269,727,658 came from Federal funding; $999,579,147 came from local funding (property taxes); $1,643,684,427 came from state funds; $260,813,602 came from miscellaneous sources; $8,388,000 came from SITLA. SITLA contributed .5% of education funding. I think its important that people know the real numbers since the media portrays that SITLA is some crucial entity in contributing to education, when they are more like a rounding error.
Notice the verbiage of the TPLA that is dedicated to selling public land and absolutely nowhere does it say the one simple sentence that would change the discussion, "No lands gained by 63L-6-103 shall be sold, disposed, or transferred to any entity and shall remain public land in perpetuity."
I've provided the facts about the history of Utah's land ownership, the propensity for land to be sold, the willingness (or even desire) for public land to be sold under TPLA, and the absolute lack of protection guaranteeing public land will remain public forever.
Some people are willing to risk the public land of their children and grandchildren on the unwritten promises of today's politicians... I however, am not.
It's good talking to you DW. Have a great one.
Utah Constitution Section III Article II:
The people inhabiting said proposed State do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within the boundaries thereof;
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
grizzly
Long Time Member
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>I reread the Republican platform, TPLA
>was never mentioned. The only
>thing that I am confident
>of is our national forest
>have been mismanaged for the
>last 70 years. Something needs
>to change.
I never said TPLA (which is the current law of the land in Utah) was part of the Republican platform. What I said was, it "clearly coincides with the plank of the Republican Platform demanding the transfer of Federal Lands to state-ownership."
We can definitely agree our forests need better management, though that has been a bipartisan failure.
My point is all evidence, both actual and circumstantial, shows a clear history and path for the privatization of public lands should the transfer to the states ever succeed.
One sentence could protect public lands forever, but the actual law dedicates over half it's verbiage into the disposal of public lands. Zinke, a bureaucrat, giving an applause line at a press conference is far cry from assurance that we'll have access to our public lands a generation from now.
That's not a risk I'm willing to take, especially if we look to the past as a guide to the future.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>was never mentioned. The only
>thing that I am confident
>of is our national forest
>have been mismanaged for the
>last 70 years. Something needs
>to change.
I never said TPLA (which is the current law of the land in Utah) was part of the Republican platform. What I said was, it "clearly coincides with the plank of the Republican Platform demanding the transfer of Federal Lands to state-ownership."
We can definitely agree our forests need better management, though that has been a bipartisan failure.
My point is all evidence, both actual and circumstantial, shows a clear history and path for the privatization of public lands should the transfer to the states ever succeed.
One sentence could protect public lands forever, but the actual law dedicates over half it's verbiage into the disposal of public lands. Zinke, a bureaucrat, giving an applause line at a press conference is far cry from assurance that we'll have access to our public lands a generation from now.
That's not a risk I'm willing to take, especially if we look to the past as a guide to the future.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
dihardhunter
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Grizzly, you are about as spot on as you can be with your assessment.
hossblur
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>I reread the Republican platform, TPLA
>was never mentioned. The only
>thing that I am confident
>of is our national forest
>have been mismanaged for the
>last 70 years. Something needs
>to change.
>
>
>#livelikezac
Notice this summer as the west burns, those funds come out of FS management. Meaning management dollars literally go up in smoke.
Want to help the forest, take fire fighting out of the budget.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
>was never mentioned. The only
>thing that I am confident
>of is our national forest
>have been mismanaged for the
>last 70 years. Something needs
>to change.
>
>
>#livelikezac
Notice this summer as the west burns, those funds come out of FS management. Meaning management dollars literally go up in smoke.
Want to help the forest, take fire fighting out of the budget.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
Castnshoot
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"Fact --Acres granted to Utah at Statehood - 7.5 Million Acres; Acres sold to private interests by Utah since that time - 4.1 Million Acres"
Fact # 2 The state of Utah nor the Federal government can afford to
own or maintain those lands.
Fact # 2 The state of Utah nor the Federal government can afford to
own or maintain those lands.
>>I reread the Republican platform, TPLA
>>was never mentioned. The only
>>thing that I am confident
>>of is our national forest
>>have been mismanaged for the
>>last 70 years. Something needs
>>to change.
>>
>>
>>#livelikezac
>
>
>Notice this summer as the west
>burns, those funds come out
>of FS management. Meaning
>management dollars literally go up
>in smoke.
>
>Want to help the forest, take
>fire fighting out of the
>budget.
>
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"
But that's one of the arguments used to justify the feds keeping the land because the states can't afford to fight the fires.
I agree there needs to be a whole lot more burning going on and once it comes back we need to start harvesting Timber again.
#livelikezac
>>was never mentioned. The only
>>thing that I am confident
>>of is our national forest
>>have been mismanaged for the
>>last 70 years. Something needs
>>to change.
>>
>>
>>#livelikezac
>
>
>Notice this summer as the west
>burns, those funds come out
>of FS management. Meaning
>management dollars literally go up
>in smoke.
>
>Want to help the forest, take
>fire fighting out of the
>budget.
>
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"
But that's one of the arguments used to justify the feds keeping the land because the states can't afford to fight the fires.
I agree there needs to be a whole lot more burning going on and once it comes back we need to start harvesting Timber again.
#livelikezac
>
>>
>>Fact # 2 The state of
>>Utah nor the Federal government
>>can afford to
>>own or maintain those lands.
>
>
>Got anything to back that up?
> Just curious how you
>arrive at such a conclusion?
>
If they would manage it as the renewable resource that it is even the states would be able to afford to do it. In fact the states would probably generate Revenue off of it.
#livelikezac
>>
>>Fact # 2 The state of
>>Utah nor the Federal government
>>can afford to
>>own or maintain those lands.
>
>
>Got anything to back that up?
> Just curious how you
>arrive at such a conclusion?
>
If they would manage it as the renewable resource that it is even the states would be able to afford to do it. In fact the states would probably generate Revenue off of it.
#livelikezac
hossblur
Long Time Member
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How does a guy drive past a mtn and instead of wondering how the elk are doing, wonder why that piece of land isn't generating a profit?
DW, show us where currently owned state land is turning a profit.
Before you keep getting excited about Gov Herbert getting land, at least spend 5 seconds googling who is bank rolling his attempt. And see how many of those folks let you hunt their ground.
Start with the Wilks brothers. Ten second Google search and you can figure out what the fight is actually for.
Why would a governor want to take on that massive of a debt, unless he planned to liquidate it.
70% of Utah is public, you can't think that in a state that is last in education spending, they are going to do a good job.
Just Google for 2 minutes.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
DW, show us where currently owned state land is turning a profit.
Before you keep getting excited about Gov Herbert getting land, at least spend 5 seconds googling who is bank rolling his attempt. And see how many of those folks let you hunt their ground.
Start with the Wilks brothers. Ten second Google search and you can figure out what the fight is actually for.
Why would a governor want to take on that massive of a debt, unless he planned to liquidate it.
70% of Utah is public, you can't think that in a state that is last in education spending, they are going to do a good job.
Just Google for 2 minutes.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
grizzly
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>Haven't played your link yet, but
>I respect your passion.....
>
>#livelikezac
You too man. Always good to have a respectful substantive discussion... even when we disagree.
Grizzly
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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>I respect your passion.....
>
>#livelikezac
You too man. Always good to have a respectful substantive discussion... even when we disagree.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>
>>Haven't played your link yet, but
>>I respect your passion.....
>>
>>#livelikezac
>
>You too man. Always good to
>have a respectful substantive discussion...
>even when we disagree.
>
>Grizzly
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."
>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>
Amazing how easy it is to gain someone's respect. Looking forward to meeting you one day Grizz.. .
#livelikezac
>>Haven't played your link yet, but
>>I respect your passion.....
>>
>>#livelikezac
>
>You too man. Always good to
>have a respectful substantive discussion...
>even when we disagree.
>
>Grizzly
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."
>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>
Amazing how easy it is to gain someone's respect. Looking forward to meeting you one day Grizz.. .
#livelikezac
