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Tristate

Tristate

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Okydoky fellas. I am starting this thread because I don't want to hijack a hijacked thread already but I have two questions. I want clear and honest answers and then we can flesh them out.

1. Why do you want "transparency" of SFW money earned for providing a service to the state?

2. Why do you think you deserve that "transparency"?
 
Let's start here: Because SFW promised sportsmen that it would provide transparency in the form of a "full accounting" at the time it was lobbying for those tags.

-Hawkeye-

My Favorite Expo Tag Quotes:

"It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Don Peay of SFW during 3/31/2005 Wildlife Board Meeting.

"There will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Don Peay of SFW - 9/26/2006 - Monstermuleys.com
 
funny how the big city boy from Texas demands "clear and honest" answers when he won't answer questions himself.

City boy, why did you delete your Wade Lemon Hunting is a sheep poacher thread? Answer that son.



Oh and btw, your two questions have already been answered at least 100 times already. You just don't like the answers so you just keep asking the same questions over and over again hoping to get the answer you want just like a dumb teenage girl.

Now run along son, go outside and ride your bike or something.
 
You want clear and honest answers? Or just someone to argue with? But since you started this thread, it obviously has got some gears turning in your head. Even though your over a thousand miles away.


1- because I care enough about wildlife in my state that I believe that almost all of the monies made from every tag should go back towards the resource so it can be used to improve habitat and conservation efforts for the future of my state.

2- I believe that there are enough passionate hunters, Outdoorsman in this state and beyond its borders who are not selfish and greedy and are willing to donate their time, energy to help on projects within their states borders and not expect a dime in the process.

3-I don't believe that I should be able to make a profit or financial gain on selling something that belongs to more people than myself. Regardless of my efforts to make that something better.

4-I deserve that transparency because they promised that they would.


There?s nothing to ?flesh out?

I was born and raised in Utah and have been here my whole life. These issues affect me and all other Utahns. Not some taxidermist in TX. Although you can have your opinions.

I've answered yours. Now you answer mine

1-As a resident of Texas who always bickers and argues every post on this forum, who called a troll, why do you deserve a response from anyone on a matter that involves a state that doesn't even neighbor yours?

2-if I sold your truck, keeping 30% of the purchase price for my efforts and told you to get bent when you asked me how much I sold it for, would you be ok with that?






"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
Tri you must be all caught up on your shop projects since we haven't seen too many of your infamous quarrel starter posts until recent. Getting bored waiting for the coming seasons work? I was beginning to think you turned a new leaf.
 
City boy, why did you delete your Wade Lemon Hunting is a sheep poacher thread? Answer that son.
_________________________________________________________

Maybe because he was called a "half-a$$ outlaw" for his support of poachers in previous threads and is against laws and regulations he does not like. He is following the example of Hillary of deleting incriminating material.

RELH
 
your questions are flawed to begin with. since when is selling our resource to the highest bidder providing a service to the state?

government's job is never to be the arbiter of profit for itself or any private entity, but to be ensurer of the liberty to make your own way.

obviously the rubber needs to meet the road at some point, but all that we have come to here is complete and utter nonsense.

waxing philosophical over a bottle of wine a few weeks away from hunting critters like the following on an otc tag in a place that everyone on earth can go buy a tag tomorrow to hunt. no bs for profit critters in my realm here !!!

 
I could go off on how crappy your questions are, but I'll just play the game because it's an easy answer, and the answer is the same to both questions. Anything to do with publicly owned resources is and should be accountable to the public. If that information isn't made public, there is no accountability. It's really simple, actually. Very, very easy to understand.

We don't let anyone in the government spend money in secret. We also don't let any public resource be used in secret. These are universally accepted rules and standard operating procedures all across this nation. But for some reason, a few are okay that we make a little bitty exception in this one little area. I'm not in those few.

Like I said, easy answer.
 
Some very interesting replies here. Let's start at the top and work our way down.

Allrighty Mr. Howkeye,

You specifially state that SFW promised a "full accounting". First let me state that really doesn't answer question 1. People want, or don't want, things before they are promised them. A promise doesn't create the desire.

Second you seem hung up on this promised "full accounting". I don't think you realize along with others that this is a semantics topic. right now you get given the total number of applicants for the tags plus the dollars which are returned to the DWR. To some, obviously not you, this counts as a "full accounting". Like wise you and others have showed the RMEF spending statement provided by them and seem pleased that it is a "full accounting", but even I would disagree with that. I posted photos of what I consider a "full accounting" and everyone had a good laugh.

My point here Hawkeye is an argument of semantics NEVER GETS RESOLVED. Especially if your only means of trying to solve it is crying on an internet forum for years.


BillyBob,
You stated this.

"1- because I care enough about wildlife in my state that I believe that almost all of the monies made from every tag should go back towards the resource so it can be used to improve habitat and conservation efforts for the future of my state."

Cool. Don't be upset when people disagree on how that money should be generated and if they think it can be maximized using a different plan.

Next you state this.

"2- I believe that there are enough passionate hunters, Outdoorsman in this state and beyond its borders who are not selfish and greedy and are willing to donate their time, energy to help on projects within their states borders and not expect a dime in the process."

Really it hasn't happened so far. Not even close. What is even more amazing is how you state you want people outside of Utah to be passionate and not greedy and donate time AND IN THE EXACT SAME POST QUESTION MY INTEREST IN THIS SINCE I DON'T EVEN LIVE IN UTAH. You literally claim you want out of state help and then talk 5hit to the out of state help. Do you realize how counterproductive you are?

Then you claim this.

"3-I don't believe that I should be able to make a profit or financial gain on selling something that belongs to more people than myself."

Why? There is absolutely no moral precedent which says you shouldn't. Millions and millions of people turn profits on public resources every single day in America. Why should wildlife be different? Please provide logic to your reasoning.


Next Deadibob you made this statement.

"Wildlife is a public resource. When money is an issue, there had better be transparency."

Money IS a public resource. I don't demand transparency for the cash in your pocket. What is the rule which says there should be transparency and at what point is the public satisfied with transparency. See the word "transparency" is kind of like the word "fair". Everyone has their own version of what that is. So how are you going to satisfy everyone?

C3, you made this statement.

"since when is selling our resource to the highest bidder providing a service to the state?"

Pretty much every single day since the creation of this nation you might want to check up on how your government functions. They sell stuff constantly to the highest bidder. Absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Last we have Vanilla. Oh boy. Vanilla you claimed this.

"Anything to do with publicly owned resources is and should be accountable to the public."

Vanilla I demand that you give me a full accounting of every dollar that moves through your home. You drive on a public resource everyday. you keep a public resource in your pocket. you actually listen to a public resource. You owe all of us here a full accounting of your life. Since you haven't offered that yet I am quite sure you must be hiding something.

Then you say this.

"We don't let anyone in the government spend money in secret."

What planet are you living on? You literally have no clue how your boss works do you.

I'm not surprised you follow up by saying this.

" We also don't let any public resource be used in secret."

First of all this is fairy land BS. We do use public resources in secret every day. Second, in the case you are pi55ed about NO PUBLIC RESOURCE IS BEING USED IN SECRET. The use of the resource is %100 known. We know who is using it. We know how much they paid. We know where and when he used it. How is that a secret???


Folks I encourage yall to keep thinking about this. I am sure there are some logical reasons yall forgot and I would really like to talk about them. However right now it seems that the posters here either actually have some wild misconceptions about how their government functions, or have small disagreements over semantics with other individuals.
 
Go crawl back in your hole Tri, as every single rejoinder you made to each member in your last post was a pure old case of the same old BS you continue to post in every thread you get involved in and then immediately try to hijack it for your own BS purposes, whatever they are!
 
I had a reply to your post typed up but now I am glad I did not post it. You did not start this thread to learn or to see others view point. Your mind will not be changed so why should anyone waste anymore time here talking to you about it. Period.

By the way your questions were given a response but you did not answer one question that was asked of you. Please go back and read the posts and answer the questions they ask you. Same old thing with you. Now please let your response to this post be answering the questions asked.
 
If folks want to ask me questions go start another thread or pm me. Don't hijack this thread to try and make another thread about me.
 
>If folks want to ask me
>questions go start another thread
>or pm me. Don't
>hijack this thread to try
>and make another thread about
>me.


Anybody else see the irony in this post?

Grizzly
 
You mean the irony of a man who has been crying about this topic for years, not having the jeuvos to answer the questions regarding his crusade but shows up to talk trash about his misunderstanding of irony?????

Yeah. Got it.?
 
>You are a true, bonafide idiot.
>


Yeppers to that comment! He's a real disgrace even to all Texas Aggies, LOL!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-18 AT 04:29PM (MST)[p]Ill play.

First. Over the years we have worked on section 8 housing and some other gov projects including state gov.

To do so we have to provide a detailed bid, complete with cost breakdowns. At no point were we just handed contracts with no auditing or accounting. Seems taxpayers are a little cautious about forking over tax money. Tags are the same.

Second. SFW doesn't provide a "service" to the state. The DWR mans the expo booths, paid for by all of us. I'm guessing there is also a tax break included for the expo.

Last. You are correct. Companies do exploit resources on public land for profit. But exxon, chevron, Weyerhaeuser, aren't "non profits". They are PUBLICALLY held, and as such are VERY transparent.

2. We deserve to know because SFW put it in their initial bid that there would be fully transparent accounting. Same as the last bid. So the real question is why is SFW not a good faith broker?

Good swing. But, alas another strike


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-18 AT 05:01PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-18 AT 04:45?PM (MST)

>If folks want to ask me
>questions go start another thread
>or pm me. Don't
>hijack this thread to try
>and make another thread about
>me.

Yes same old same old from you thinking you are above everyone else. You made this about you when you started this thread knowing you would try and disprove every post made and knowing you would not change your mind. So that's what you did in post 9. Nice try.. just a bunch more garbage from you not addressing the issue because you know nothing about it. That was more than evident in your posts on the other thread.

Answer the damn questions your no better than anyone else. Come on show us you juevoes. Pathetic he knows nothing about the subject he asks for answers on and then ignores everyone of them he gets. Pathetic just plain pathetic. I should have listened to Topgun and not feed the troll.
 
Wrong again Tri. There is no confusion as to what SFW promised concerned sportsmen.

SFW promised that ?there will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Since the Expo started, over $10 million dollars have gone unaccounted for. Where is the long promised accounting?

Don Peay also stood up in the WB meeting where the Expo tags were approved and stated that ?It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Many of us have been asking for over a decade? When is SFW going to tell the public how much of the $ actually went on the ground.

The fact is SFW and its leaders said what they had to say to get the tags approved but then once the had the tags they reversed course and turned their backs on the committments they made to the public.

-Hawkeye-

My Favorite Expo Tag Quotes:

"It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? Don Peay of SFW during 3/31/2005 Wildlife Board Meeting.

"There will be a full accounting of how the applications fees are spent.? Don Peay of SFW - 9/26/2006 - Monstermuleys.com
 
Tristate, reading between the lines I think people want something similar to the State of Utah Transparency Website.

Transparent.utah.gov

Each city, town and county is required to upload their financial activities quarterly.

It shows vendors, total payments, etc.

I am not aware of any other organization outside of state entities, school districts, etc that are required to post their transactions down to who they paid and how much they paid them but some people want to know.

Another issue as you are someone else mentioned is the word ?transparency?. Ask 100 people for a definition and you will most likely get about 80 different answers.

I have no dog in this fight in my mind and commenting as an observer and reader of this thread.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-18 AT 07:46PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Aug-04-18 AT 07:43?PM (MST)

>Tristate, reading between the lines I
>think people want something similar
>to the State of Utah
>Transparency Website.
>
>Transparent.utah.gov
>
>Each city, town and county is
>required to upload their financial
>activities quarterly.
>
>It shows vendors, total payments, etc.
>
>
>I am not aware of any
>other organization outside of state
>entities, school districts, etc that
>are required to post their
>transactions down to who they
>paid and how much they
>paid them but some people
>want to know.
>
>Another issue as you are someone
>else mentioned is the word
>?transparency?. Ask 100 people for
>a definition and you will
>most likely get about 80
>different answers.
>
>I have no dog in this
>fight in my mind and
>commenting as an observer and
>reader of this thread.

www.utah.gov/transparency/
 
Wow! Where do I begin with such a nonsense claim from Tristate?! And who would have guessed?!
I got one of the three answers to the questions I asked.
First-If you think I'm going to waste my time messaging you or opening another thread to discuss anything else with a narrow minded, argumentative person such as yourself,
You would be wrong.
Clearly I got the answer to my first question. You do want to argue. You don't want to see anyone else?s different perspective.
Second- you claim that I said I want help from out of staters to help with projects. I never made that claim. You did. I did say that in every state there are enough folks willing to do spend their time and energy to help wildlife and not expect a dime.
I never talked crap about folks beyond my borders but I did claim that I, being from UT, don't really have much of a say what happens in TX. Just as much or little you have as say in UT. Don?t twist what I posted.

Lastly- why I believe that I shouldn't be able to make a profit or financial gain on a public resource which belongs to more people than myself is simple. Because it doesn't belong to only me.

So for the last time I will ask you to answer my two questions that I asked you.

Conclusion-
I wasn?t surprised by your responses to all who took the time to respond to your op.
I think you're claims, responses, ideas, and conclusions are really far off. To each their own.

Vanillas response was exactly what my original thoughts were.

I doubt there is little you can agree with about any statement from anyone on this website besides yourself.
Maybe you lack social skills from spending too much time in your shop.
Or maybe your weak social skills have lead you to the career that you have so you don't have to deal with it?
"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-05-18 AT 11:39AM (MST)[p]
>
>I doubt there is little you
>can agree with about any
>statement from anyone on this
>website besides yourself.
>Maybe you lack social skills from
>spending too much time in
>your shop.
>Or maybe your weak social skills
>have lead you to the
>career that you have so
>you don't have to deal
>with it?
>

I think we have winning post here with the "lack of" and "weak" social skills observations!

I don't know if there is any connection but Tristate's behavior reminds me a lot of my son-in-law's who has Asperger's Syndrome which is a mild form of Autism. And IMHO, it appears that Tri ISN'T ABLE to recognize, let alone, admit to his mistakes or show proper respect for others or change his opinion once he's formed one (among other things). It isn't a just a matter of not wanting to, HE CAN'T!

In our case, it's taken our family years to get my son-in-law to finally realize we don't hate him, which is what he thought when he first met my daughter. He's a great husband and father to my daughter and her kids from another marriage, but he didn't want anything to do with the rest of us. And it took lots of deeds, not words, to get him to come around. He even thanked us (more than we wanted) for installing a used fridge yesterday because he just got out of the hospital for a case of cellulitis.

Now, I've looked over the posts Tristate has made in the last while and not once have I seen him apologize for anything, change his opinion, praise anyone but himself for taxi work, congratulate someone else for a successful hunt or make a reply without some kind of dig. He appears to need his ego stroked to the point that if he can't get it out of us, he has to do it himself.

As a consequence, I've decided not to reply directly to him or his posts. To do so is not only detrimental to the discussion, it doesn't do him any good either. And we certainly can carry on a reasonable, enjoyable, productive discussion without him. I won't call him a troll, but I ain't gonna feed him for his own good. I wish there was a way of deleting his posts off of my personal computer, but until I find a way, if there is one, I'll just ignore them. I'd suggest ya'll do the same! :)
 
Good last couple of posts guys and I'm glad you've come around to the idea of just ignoring Tri for the exact reasons in those two posts!
 
I Posted what Transparency Really is!

But Somebody BAWLED or didn't Like it!










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>Wildlife is a public resource. When
>money is an issue, there
>had better be transparency.


It's a stupid question. IDK why it even needs to be asked.
 
Well I hope we all had a nice weekend. We have a couple of good responses we can try and flesh out here.

First Hossblur,

You state the level of transparency you need to provide to win bids for government funded housing. This is an apples and oranges comparison since no checks are being written from the state to SFW.

Next you claim SFW is not providing a service for the state. I am pretty sure they are. As for a tax break, I am unsure of that but I would not be surprised if one did exist.

Also privately held and not for profit companies exploit public resources all the time.

Second Hawkeye,

Do you know how many people paid for chances in the expo draw last year? Second, do you know how much each person paid per chance? Please answer these questions.

Next you keep repeating this quote. ?It is fair to ask how much comes in with the five dollar application fees and how much went onto the ground.? I am not sure your point in posting this quote continuously. Sure it's "fair". It is alos fair that my teenager keeps asking her parents for her own car. It doesn't mean she is going to get it or that she deserves one. But it's perfectly fair for her to ask.

Last you still haven't answered why you want what you consider the "full accounting".

Afffrican addiction,

Thanks for posting and I think you are echoing one of my points here. Thanks for the link also. I agree that I think people here probably want something similar to that but are having a hard time understanding where the line is drawn between private and public entities.

Last Billybob,

You state this.

"Lastly- why I believe that I shouldn't be able to make a profit or financial gain on a public resource which belongs to more people than myself is simple. Because it doesn't belong to only me."

Okay we are clear on you beliefs. They may be different than others but they are yours. SO WHAT DOES THAT BELIEF HAVE TO DO WITH ACCOUNTING AND TRANSPARENCY?


In review it is very interesting to see the different responses. I think in the pro-transparency and full accounting team we are still having a problem honestly answering the first question. I think all of yall have given very honest answers about the second question, we may all just disagree on those points of justification. I think Billybob is the closest as for actually throwing his cards on the table and being honest about the first question.

Don't give up on the first question. I think each one of you are capable of answering it if you can all be personally transparent and accountable.
 
Please don't respond any longer to this member, as you can see from his last post that he'll just continue to have stupid comments and ask ridiculous questions like how many people bought EXPO chances and how much did they pay per chance. If he has no clue what the answers to those questions are when it's right out on this site in various threads then there is no way he'll ever do anything but post his ridiculous comments no matter what people post. The guy has a big problem and needs to go see a shrink, but if he did that all he probably would do would be to ask the shrink more questions, LOL!
 
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Topgun says this.

"Please don't respond any longer to this member, as you can see from his last post that he'll just continue to have stupid comments and ask ridiculous questions like how many people bought EXPO chances and how much did they pay per chance. If he has no clue what the answers to those questions are when it's right out on this site in various threads"

Actually Topgun that is my point. THAT IS ACCOUNTING. THAT IS TRANSPARENCY. You may want to know more. Right now YOU and Hawkeye know these answers. Therefore you have been provided with transparency. YOU may not like the level of transparency which you receive, just as I do not like the lack of transparency which you and others provide forum members regarding your attacks against SFW. It is transparency and accounting though.

What you consider stupid comments are actually ways to get you to admit to things you are hoping no one will notice. To a person that is being manipulated it is not uncommon to feel as you do.

To the rest of yall. I love watching yall squirm.
 
>>
5329320150527195149.jpg

>
>That's a great looking buck with
>awesome brow tines for a
>muley! Who's is it and
>who did the taxi work?
>


This buck was killed a long time ago by Scofield. It was my bro in laws dad. They re-did the taxi work a few years ago. Such a cool buck, but still sits in the garage.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-06-18 AT 11:56AM (MST)[p]Need I say any more after reading the drivel in post #38?! If he calls that transparency when all that accounts for is the money coming in and not where it went I give up. Great buck and mount there Landon! I'd love to see one like that on the hoof with a tag in my pocket.
 
That's my point Topgun. There are all different levels of transparency and accountability. Maybe this level doesn't satisfy you and its okay to say that. I can tell you there is already a lot more transparency than this but this is just to prove a point.

Now try and go answer the questions the rest of these haters are to scared to answer. I believe in you. You want transparency. That's exactly what I want out of you now.
 
Don't hold your breath waiting for my reply to your questions. Even better yet, hold your breath and I'll get right back to you, LOL!
 
I know you won't. Neither will these haters and dead horse beaters. That's the part that shows the rest of the world that you are full of it. Why do you think I do it?
 
>I know you won't. Neither
>will these haters and dead
>horse beaters. That's the
>part that shows the rest
>of the world that you
>are full of it.
>Why do you think I
>do it?


Let me make an educated guess after seeing your MO for several years. It's more than obvious that you are all about yourself and don't give a shite what others think about anything. All you really care about is yourself. That's exactly why you started this thread and why everyone is fed up with your continual BS. End of discussion and my last post on this thread to you!
 
First off, NO ONE did more to "clear up" the cluster that was that illegal sheep kill than Tri state. Until his BLAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMM post that story was simply a myth. Afterwards we all saw it. Were able to identify the location, and the state was forced to "act". So I won't shut him out entirely to say thanks.

Tri. Those tags have a monetary value. In fact its actually posted right on the tag.

Next. When you itemize bill the STATE, you are completely transparent, including item cost, labor, etc. That's the transparency promised, that's what's expected.

Last. SFW gets paid to do projects. You don't do taxidermy as a service. Its a business.





From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
Tri- call me a hater, a dead horse beater, whatever you'd like. Doesn?t bother me. I believe what I believe. Passionately! Right or wrong.
I look at it like this.....I have two choices. I can either claim that I don't have a voice and do nothing and nothing will change. Or I can say that I do have a voice concerning these things in my state and I can fight for what I believe and hope that with my voice, others can see. With the faith that my actions can effect and make change. Even if it happens slowly.
Those are my options. Regardless to what you say, or believe. No matter what you post on this website. I choose to have a voice and use as many platforms as possible to use my voice to possibly make some change.






"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
>>>
5329320150527195149.jpg

>>
>>That's a great looking buck with
>>awesome brow tines for a
>>muley! Who's is it and
>>who did the taxi work?
>>
>
>
>This buck was killed a long
>time ago by Scofield.
>It was my bro in
>laws dad. They re-did
>the taxi work a few
>years ago. Such a
>cool buck, but still sits
>in the garage.


Nice Robi!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Billybob,

Calm down sweetheart. I don't have a problem with you having your beliefs. Are mine different? You bet. No big deal. Just please explain why you scream and cry for transparency when that isn't actually what you want. You clearly stated you obviously take offence to any money being made off of an public resource so you are against the entire tag distribution program. 10-4. But what the hell does that have to do with "transparency"?


Hossblur,

You posted this.

"Those tags have a monetary value. In fact its actually posted right on the tag."

Actually they don't. They have a fee which is paid directly to the DWR, NOT SFW OR ANY OTHER GROUP. Once your name is placed on that tag you can not sell it as a commodity. That means although your fee is printed on it it has become worthless. I don't think there is a single businessman "investing" in big game tags.

Can you show me where SFW billed the state for something? Can I see a copy of an invoice?????
 
>Billybob,
>
>Calm down sweetheart. I don't
>have a problem with you
>having your beliefs. Are
>mine different? You bet.
> No big deal.
>Just please explain why you
>scream and cry for transparency
>when that isn't actually what
>you want. You clearly
>stated you obviously take offence
>to any money being made
>off of an public resource
>so you are against the
>entire tag distribution program.
>10-4. But what the
>hell does that have to
>do with "transparency"?
>
>
>Hossblur,
>
>You posted this.
>
> "Those tags have a monetary
>value. In fact its actually
>posted right on the tag."
>
>
>Actually they don't. They have
>a fee which is paid
>directly to the DWR, NOT
>SFW OR ANY OTHER GROUP.
> Once your name is
>placed on that tag you
>can not sell it as
>a commodity. That means
>although your fee is printed
>on it it has become
>worthless. I don't think
>there is a single businessman
>"investing" in big game tags.
>
>
>Can you show me where SFW
>billed the state for something?
> Can I see a
>copy of an invoice?????

I can't. Seems they don't share financials with non members, invoices or otherwise.

Tri. Sfw won. They backdoored a decade contract. Interestingly enough, Utah is now the deer hunting capital of the west, so I truly was wrong. After tens of millions and years of control, Utah is the envy of the country and SFW management strategy is expanding across the country like wildfire.

Thanks again for BLLLLAAAAAAAMMMMMMM. You were invaluable


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 

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