30 pound draw for big game?

I just went back and scanned the archery requirements for big game in the Utah 2018 guidebook. It says 30lb minimum pull weight for big game. I called DWR thinking this was a typo and they confirmed 30lbs.

I must have fallen asleep at the wheel because it used to be 40lbs. When was this change made? I don't have a lot of confidence in the guy I talked to at DWR, he said it's 30lbs because that's what he read also. He couldn't tell me when it was changed or any other info.

If 30 is indeed legal, why stop there? I might take my 5 year old and let him use his nerf gun. I realize 30 can get it done on a deer, close up, under ideal conditions, like 20 yards away in a blind.

It is legal. This year. Started my son this winter at 25lb. He's at 36 now. Ya he can pull 40 but I will take him at 36 well than 40 shaking.

He's shooting heavy arrows as possible. Cut on contact. And only 3 pins, 20, 30, 40.





From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.

I shot my first whitetail in Wisconsin at 12 years old, a 3 point buck, I was pulling 32 lbs and got a complete pass through. Double lunged him. 30# is plenty at 20 yards and in, in my opinion.

Nevada used to have a weird rule about launching a certain weight arrow a certain distance over level terrain.

Now it is 40 lbs.

My daughter is at about 38. Hopefully we can get her to 40 within the next week or so. She is accurate out to 30, haven't had her shoot past that and she has been shooting all summer, just not quite there on the weight yet.

We have her pins at 10, 20, 30. Not going to push it past that this year. Good thing is, she can hunt the rifle and muzzle loader seasons as well.

I think 30 is maybe just a bit low, but the bow design also has a lot to do with it. Her bow is a 2018 PSE Stinger, and it is faster at 30 than my 42 pound re curve.

When they let 12 year olds start Hunting Big Game....................................








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

> When they let 12 year
>olds start Hunting Big Game....................................
>
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>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!

They are sure desperate to recruit new hunters, that's for sure. I do think 30 pounds as a limit is a little reckless. Might as well let them hunt elk with rim fires.

Nevada has always been 12. I remember my Dad talking about leaving Enterprise and heading to Pioche to hunt because he could hunt at 12 and not wait until 16. He would have been turning 81 this year so that tells you how long it's been around.

What's the average success rate? 12%. Now take from that the folks that kill every year, your in the 2-3% rate? Now add to that a 12yr olds ability to not get jumpy, not get over amped.

This worry is pretty stupid, 99% won't even pull back.

Used to hear the same lines about rifle calibers that couldn't kill stuff either.

Kinda seems a bunch of dudes in loin cloth, stick bows(literally), wooden sticks, with sharpened rocks on the end managed.

If you get outhunted by a 12 yr old perhaps its time for you to hang it up?

Ill take a kid at 30lb that shot all year over half the dudes that hit the pro shop, bought pretty strings, neon arrows, on a 75lb bow they let sit around all year till this Thursday night. And we all know there are way more of them, than kids archery hunting.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.

>What's the average success rate?
>12%. Now take from
>that the folks that kill
>every year, your in the
>2-3% rate? Now add
>to that a 12yr olds
>ability to not get jumpy,
>not get over amped.
>
>This worry is pretty stupid, 99%
>won't even pull back.
>
>Used to hear the same lines
>about rifle calibers that couldn't
>kill stuff either.
>
>Kinda seems a bunch of dudes
>in loin cloth, stick bows(literally),
>wooden sticks, with sharpened rocks
>on the end managed.
>
>If you get outhunted by a
>12 yr old perhaps its
>time for you to hang
>it up?
>
>Ill take a kid at 30lb
>that shot all year over
>half the dudes that hit
>the pro shop, bought pretty
>strings, neon arrows, on a
>75lb bow they let sit
>around all year till this
>Thursday night. And we
>all know there are way
>more of them, than kids
>archery hunting.
>
>
>From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN,
>PUBLIC LAND.


EASY There Hoss!

All I Was Trying to say is:

If You're gonna Let 12 Year Olds Hunt!

Some of them Won't Be Pulling Back in the 50-70LB Range Bows their first year or two!










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

This will be my grandsons first year hunting. He has a Wasatch west archery Deer tag. My wife, "littlebuck", gave him a diamond edge bow. He practices nearly every day, wind rain or snow. He started with a draw weight of around 25lbs @nd she taught him proper technics. He has been gradually turning up his bow as he felt comfortable. I was surprised 3 weeks ago when we went to the archery shop to get a new set of silencers, his bow pulled at 54lbs. He already had the Deer tag, now he has an Elk tag too.
A lot of you folks know my family and I are archers, I didnt even know about the 30lb rule. I think practice is the key to success with any type of shooting, hunting. This same young man joins me regulary at the Sanpete PLR $hooting range. And is very impressive on targets to 500yds. Its all about practice, practice, practice.

>Nevada has always been 12. I
>remember my Dad talking about
>leaving Enterprise and heading to
>Pioche to hunt because he
>could hunt at 12 and
>not wait until 16. He
>would have been turning 81
>this year so that tells
>you how long it's been
>around.

A lot of states are 12. It seems that more of the eastern states are earlier than that, and the western states are a little older.

In this technology age, I think it is important to get them started as early as possible, if we expect the legacy of hunting to continue into the future.

My daughter killed her first deer last year about 10 days after her 12th Birthday in September in South Dakota. She shoots a .243 quite well, and we just limit her shots to about 200 yards, which she can hit just fine.

I have not put her in for elk yet, because I am not sure of the .243's ability to kill an elk well.

If she can't hit the 40 pound limit on her bow, she just won't hunt with a bow. We have been out scouting, and she enjoys it. The season has already started, so we will see what she can do. Good thing about Nevada also, is that the junior hunters can hunt from August 10 to November 2, in most units, specific to the current weapon allowed.

I'm with you on the practice part. I'll take a 12 year old that has practiced and is dedicated any day. Nothing used to piss me off more than the guy who drew a premium tag and was at Kmart the night before the hunt looking at the Bear whitetail and the bin full of arrows wondering what to buy!

>>What's the average success rate?
>>12%. Now take from
>>that the folks that kill
>>every year, your in the
>>2-3% rate? Now add
>>to that a 12yr olds
>>ability to not get jumpy,
>>not get over amped.
>>
>>This worry is pretty stupid, 99%
>>won't even pull back.
>>
>>Used to hear the same lines
>>about rifle calibers that couldn't
>>kill stuff either.
>>
>>Kinda seems a bunch of dudes
>>in loin cloth, stick bows(literally),
>>wooden sticks, with sharpened rocks
>>on the end managed.
>>
>>If you get outhunted by a
>>12 yr old perhaps its
>>time for you to hang
>>it up?
>>
>>Ill take a kid at 30lb
>>that shot all year over
>>half the dudes that hit
>>the pro shop, bought pretty
>>strings, neon arrows, on a
>>75lb bow they let sit
>>around all year till this
>>Thursday night. And we
>>all know there are way
>>more of them, than kids
>>archery hunting.
>>
>>
>>From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN,
>>PUBLIC LAND.
>
>
>EASY There Hoss!
>
>All I Was Trying to say
>is:
>
>If You're gonna Let 12 Year
>Olds Hunt!
>
>Some of them Won't Be Pulling
>Back in the 50-70LB Range
>Bows their first year or
>two!
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>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!

EASY MY A%&!!

I ain't got one GPS coord from you for the Wasatch LE elk tag my bro in law drew. I thought we was tight? So ya jj m a little irritated with you!! And yes you were supposed to just know why I am hostile(no I didn't ask you about that Unit, you were supposed to "just know")


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.

Well Hoss!

There's a couple Things I Know about the Wasatch!

It's a STEEP,NASTY,THICK SOB & there Ain't No Elk left on the Wasatch!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

The truth about 30
Lbs. deadibob....here?s reality. Today?s 30 lbs bows with today?s efficiency, is most definitely yesterday?s 50. Bows Are much better at energy transfer. Plain and simple. The comparison to hunting elk with rim fires isn't the same.

Heck, the minimum speed on the interstate in Utah is 50 mph, but I don't see any of you guys driving it!!!

Minimum is just a measurable number, and I bet a majority of 12 year olds are gonna beat that anyway.

Hi Blank, is 12 yo the starting age for young hunters? Heck I think most of the kids can pull at least 40 lbs safely and accurately.

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora

The 12 years old is in Utah, I believe. Several years ago we lowered the age in Idaho to 10 for escorted/mentored youths. They still have to complete a hunter safety class in order to buy a license, and for archery stamp endorsement, they have to complete a bowhunter education class also. Not quite as easy to get a license and go shoot an animal as some make it seem.

LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-18 AT 08:54PM (MST)[p]I bet there are plenty of Indians 200 years ago that would have givin their left nut for a modern compound bow at 30lbs

I arrowed my first deer in 1979 with a 33 pound longbow......complete pass-through and the arrow was buried in the dirt.

My son arrowed his first deer at 12 years old with a 34 pound compound....complete pass-through. Yup, it will work with the right head and distance combination.

BOHNTR )))---------->

>LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-18
>AT 08:54?PM (MST)
>
>I bet there are plenty of
>Indians 200 years ago that
>would have givin their left
>nut for a modern compound
>bow at 30lbs


Ya!

But!

I Wish I Woulda Had the SmokePole I Have now 35 Years ago too!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

>The truth about 30
>Lbs. deadibob....here?s reality. Today?s 30 lbs
>bows with today?s efficiency, is
>most definitely yesterday?s 50. Bows
>Are much better at energy
>transfer. Plain and simple. The
>comparison to hunting elk with
>rim fires isn't the same.
>

I'm quite familiar with todays bows. I've been to bow tech university as well as the PSE tech school. Past dealer for Martin, Bowtech, Hoyt, Matthews and others. I have three 12 year old boys who each shoot Mission Menace 2 bows which is the 3rd compound bow for each of them. They started with Tom Thumbs, later Martins and now the Missions. My daughter just turned 16, she is on her fourth bow and has been shooting compounds since age 3, I'm quite familiar with youth bows. None of my boys are quite at 40 pounds draw weight but a couple are close. That is what prompted me to check the regs. I probably won't be having them archery hunt this year even though they all have general deer tags, mostly because of the logistics of hunting with 3 12 year olds. I will focus on the muzzy hunt for them and let their older sister bow hunt for deer.

But back to the 30 lb bow. Have you shot a 30 pound bow at 30-40 yards with a 300+ grain arrow? Have you seen the trajectory? We aren't shooting 10-20 yards from a tree stand here. My 5 year old shoots a Diamond Nuclear ice, it is his second compound bow. I just made him a bunch of arrows 3 days ago and even with only a 16" shaft his arrows are 288 grains. He is only pulling 15 pounds but at this rate, maybe the state will let him hunt next year.

>>The truth about 30
>>Lbs. deadibob....here?s reality. Today?s 30 lbs
>>bows with today?s efficiency, is
>>most definitely yesterday?s 50. Bows
>>Are much better at energy
>>transfer. Plain and simple. The
>>comparison to hunting elk with
>>rim fires isn't the same.
>>
>
>I'm quite familiar with todays bows.
>I've been to bow tech
>university as well as the
>PSE tech school. Past dealer
>for Martin, Bowtech, Hoyt, Matthews
>and others. I have three
>12 year old boys who
>each shoot Mission Menace 2
>bows which is the 3rd
>compound bow for each of
>them. They started with Tom
>Thumbs, later Martins and now
>the Missions. My daughter just
>turned 16, she is on
>her fourth bow and has
>been shooting compounds since age
>3, I'm quite familiar with
>youth bows. None of my
>boys are quite at 40
>pounds draw weight but a
>couple are close. That is
>what prompted me to check
>the regs. I probably won't
>be having them archery hunt
>this year even though they
>all have general deer tags,
>mostly because of the logistics
>of hunting with 3 12
>year olds. I will focus
>on the muzzy hunt for
>them and let their older
>sister bow hunt for deer.
>
>
>But back to the 30 lb
>bow. Have you shot a
>30 pound bow at 30-40
>yards with a 300+ grain
>arrow? Have you seen the
>trajectory? We aren't shooting 10-20
>yards from a tree stand
>here. My 5 year
>old shoots a Diamond Nuclear
>ice, it is his second
>compound bow. I just made
>him a bunch of arrows
>3 days ago and even
>with only a 16" shaft
>his arrows are 288 grains.
>He is only pulling 15
>pounds but at this rate,
>maybe the state will let
>him hunt next year.

I've never got this idea. And I mean zero direspect. How much are your boys going to learn about stalking, wind, etc by NOT going?

As for tragectory, you are correct, at 35 yrs its quite an arch.

So?

I'm newer to bow hunting than you, but what's the performance of a trad bow? What was the performance of those old Brownings we shot 30 yrs ago?

You owe it to the animal to do the best you can to kill it quickly. That is an individual thing though. Meaning my 12yr old owed it to the animal to pull as much as possible, shoot as heavy an arrow as possible, and practice all year. He didn't owe it a 80lb 370 bow or no hunting.

I feel like at times archery slips beyond what it actually is. Your shooting a sharp object into it, then letting it bleed to death. As its laying there bleeding out do you think it is grateful that arrow in it passed through vs. sticking out its other side?





From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.

>>>The truth about 30
>>>Lbs. deadibob....here?s reality. Today?s 30 lbs
>>>bows with today?s efficiency, is
>>>most definitely yesterday?s 50. Bows
>>>Are much better at energy
>>>transfer. Plain and simple. The
>>>comparison to hunting elk with
>>>rim fires isn't the same.
>>>
>>
>>I'm quite familiar with todays bows.
>>I've been to bow tech
>>university as well as the
>>PSE tech school. Past dealer
>>for Martin, Bowtech, Hoyt, Matthews
>>and others. I have three
>>12 year old boys who
>>each shoot Mission Menace 2
>>bows which is the 3rd
>>compound bow for each of
>>them. They started with Tom
>>Thumbs, later Martins and now
>>the Missions. My daughter just
>>turned 16, she is on
>>her fourth bow and has
>>been shooting compounds since age
>>3, I'm quite familiar with
>>youth bows. None of my
>>boys are quite at 40
>>pounds draw weight but a
>>couple are close. That is
>>what prompted me to check
>>the regs. I probably won't
>>be having them archery hunt
>>this year even though they
>>all have general deer tags,
>>mostly because of the logistics
>>of hunting with 3 12
>>year olds. I will focus
>>on the muzzy hunt for
>>them and let their older
>>sister bow hunt for deer.
>>
>>
>>But back to the 30 lb
>>bow. Have you shot a
>>30 pound bow at 30-40
>>yards with a 300+ grain
>>arrow? Have you seen the
>>trajectory? We aren't shooting 10-20
>>yards from a tree stand
>>here. My 5 year
>>old shoots a Diamond Nuclear
>>ice, it is his second
>>compound bow. I just made
>>him a bunch of arrows
>>3 days ago and even
>>with only a 16" shaft
>>his arrows are 288 grains.
>>He is only pulling 15
>>pounds but at this rate,
>>maybe the state will let
>>him hunt next year.
>
>I've never got this idea.
>And I mean zero direspect.
> How much are your
>boys going to learn about
>stalking, wind, etc by NOT
>going?
>
>As for tragectory, you are correct,
>at 35 yrs its quite
>an arch.
>
>So?
>
>I'm newer to bow hunting than
>you, but what's the performance
>of a trad bow?
>What was the performance of
>those old Brownings we shot
>30 yrs ago?
>
>You owe it to the animal
>to do the best you
>can to kill it quickly.
> That is an individual
>thing though. Meaning my
>12yr old owed it to
>the animal to pull as
>much as possible, shoot as
>heavy an arrow as possible,
>and practice all year.
>He didn't owe it a
>80lb 370 bow or no
>hunting.
>
>I feel like at times archery
>slips beyond what it actually
>is. Your shooting a
>sharp object into it, then
>letting it bleed to death.
> As its laying there
>bleeding out do you think
>it is grateful that arrow
>in it passed through vs.
>sticking out its other side?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN,
>PUBLIC LAND.
My first compound was a wood riser browning Nomad and it sucked! I started this thread to ask a simple question about the change in archery equipment regs this year concerning draw weight, whether it was a typo in the regs. It was not to debate what it takes to kill a deer.

My kids have been going with me since they were four. I haven't hunted without one of my kids since my daughter was three. Trust me they are learning to sneak, track and all the good stuff. Last Thanksgiving I took my daughter to Kodiak Island for 2 weeks, hunting Blacktail. She hunted harder, stayed out longer and killed better deer than any other guy in camp. Our transporter thought I was a fool having a young girl out there that time of year and staying out late. He tried to call me out on it a couple times. I just laughed at him. I've never pampered her and she's killed mature mule deer every year. Unlike most girls who hunt, she does 100% of the work herself after the kill. Gutting, skinning, butchering and cooking. My youngest, at four last season, went from before light until after dark, hard! I've never seen a kid that serious about it. We live a mile from the Oak Creek boundary and he shadows me everywhere we go.

>I arrowed my first deer in
>1979 with a 33 pound
>longbow......complete pass-through and the arrow
>was buried in the dirt.
>
>
>My son arrowed his first deer
>at 12 years old with
>a 34 pound compound....complete pass-through.
> Yup, it will work
>with the right head and
>distance combination.
>
>BOHNTR )))---------->


what distance were the shots and what were the hunting conditions? By that I mean how was your son hunting, spot and stalk, tree stand, blind?

>>>>The truth about 30
>>>>Lbs. deadibob....here?s reality. Today?s 30 lbs
>>>>bows with today?s efficiency, is
>>>>most definitely yesterday?s 50. Bows
>>>>Are much better at energy
>>>>transfer. Plain and simple. The
>>>>comparison to hunting elk with
>>>>rim fires isn't the same.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm quite familiar with todays bows.
>>>I've been to bow tech
>>>university as well as the
>>>PSE tech school. Past dealer
>>>for Martin, Bowtech, Hoyt, Matthews
>>>and others. I have three
>>>12 year old boys who
>>>each shoot Mission Menace 2
>>>bows which is the 3rd
>>>compound bow for each of
>>>them. They started with Tom
>>>Thumbs, later Martins and now
>>>the Missions. My daughter just
>>>turned 16, she is on
>>>her fourth bow and has
>>>been shooting compounds since age
>>>3, I'm quite familiar with
>>>youth bows. None of my
>>>boys are quite at 40
>>>pounds draw weight but a
>>>couple are close. That is
>>>what prompted me to check
>>>the regs. I probably won't
>>>be having them archery hunt
>>>this year even though they
>>>all have general deer tags,
>>>mostly because of the logistics
>>>of hunting with 3 12
>>>year olds. I will focus
>>>on the muzzy hunt for
>>>them and let their older
>>>sister bow hunt for deer.
>>>
>>>
>>>But back to the 30 lb
>>>bow. Have you shot a
>>>30 pound bow at 30-40
>>>yards with a 300+ grain
>>>arrow? Have you seen the
>>>trajectory? We aren't shooting 10-20
>>>yards from a tree stand
>>>here. My 5 year
>>>old shoots a Diamond Nuclear
>>>ice, it is his second
>>>compound bow. I just made
>>>him a bunch of arrows
>>>3 days ago and even
>>>with only a 16" shaft
>>>his arrows are 288 grains.
>>>He is only pulling 15
>>>pounds but at this rate,
>>>maybe the state will let
>>>him hunt next year.
>>
>>I've never got this idea.
>>And I mean zero direspect.
>> How much are your
>>boys going to learn about
>>stalking, wind, etc by NOT
>>going?
>>
>>As for tragectory, you are correct,
>>at 35 yrs its quite
>>an arch.
>>
>>So?
>>
>>I'm newer to bow hunting than
>>you, but what's the performance
>>of a trad bow?
>>What was the performance of
>>those old Brownings we shot
>>30 yrs ago?
>>
>>You owe it to the animal
>>to do the best you
>>can to kill it quickly.
>> That is an individual
>>thing though. Meaning my
>>12yr old owed it to
>>the animal to pull as
>>much as possible, shoot as
>>heavy an arrow as possible,
>>and practice all year.
>>He didn't owe it a
>>80lb 370 bow or no
>>hunting.
>>
>>I feel like at times archery
>>slips beyond what it actually
>>is. Your shooting a
>>sharp object into it, then
>>letting it bleed to death.
>> As its laying there
>>bleeding out do you think
>>it is grateful that arrow
>>in it passed through vs.
>>sticking out its other side?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN,
>>PUBLIC LAND.
>My first compound was a wood
>riser browning Nomad and it
>sucked! I started this thread
>to ask a simple question
>about the change in archery
>equipment regs this year concerning
>draw weight, whether it was
>a typo in the regs.
>It was not to debate
>what it takes to kill
>a deer.
>
>My kids have been going with
>me since they were four.
>I haven't hunted without one
>of my kids since my
>daughter was three. Trust me
>they are learning to sneak,
>track and all the good
>stuff. Last Thanksgiving I took
>my daughter to Kodiak Island
>for 2 weeks, hunting Blacktail.
>She hunted harder, stayed out
>longer and killed better deer
>than any other guy in
>camp. Our transporter thought I
>was a fool having a
>young girl out there that
>time of year and staying
>out late. He tried to
>call me out on it
>a couple times. I just
>laughed at him. I've
>never pampered her and she's
>killed mature mule deer every
>year. Unlike most girls who
>hunt, she does 100% of
>the work herself after the
>kill. Gutting, skinning, butchering and
>cooking. My youngest, at four
>last season, went from before
>light until after dark, hard!
>I've never seen a kid
>that serious about it. We
>live a mile from the
>Oak Creek boundary and he
>shadows me everywhere we go.
>
I kinda assumed so, mine was more a general statement.



From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.

LAST EDITED ON Aug-17-18 AT 07:43AM (MST)[p]Both were spot and stalk.....mine was about 35 yards. My son's was 45 yards. Both were broadside and using cut-on-contact two-bladed heads.

Two years ago my wife arrowed a mule deer at 40 yards in Southern Arizona that was a complete pass-through....broke a rib on the way out.....all while shooting 34 pounds. Cut-on contact head for that deer as well. NO issues at all.

BOHNTR )))---------->

LAST EDITED ON Aug-18-18 AT 04:40PM (MST)[p]It's legal and capable of killing a deer as long as you keep the distance close. Its about keeping the shot within your kill zone. No different than a guy with 70# bow trying to kill a deer at 60 yards when he has trouble hitting a barn at 50.

I don't know what draw weight is legal here in AZ., but age is 10 years old to hunt.Used to be able to draw bonus points before 10 but they cut that out 8-10 years ago........BULL!

>LAST EDITED ON Aug-18-18
>AT 04:40?PM (MST)
>
>It's legal and capable of killing
>a deer as long as
>you keep the distance close.
> Its about keeping the
>shot within your kill zone.
> No different than a
>guy with 70# bow
>trying to kill a deer
>at 60 yards when he
>has trouble hitting a barn
>at 50.

What can/can't kill a deer has been established and isn't up for debate here. As far as capabilities, most Eastern tenderfoot S.O.B's (and Texas taxidermists) think 30 yards is a long shot and 40 yards next to impossible. I have my hunting arrows dialed in to 90 yards, but I would only take that shot under perfect conditions with a completely relaxed, holding still and unaware animal.

I pretty sure they changed it to 30 pounds this year. I remember it being discussed at the RAC meeting in November. And again at the wildlife board meeting this spring.

So to answer your question, this is the first year its been 30 pounds.


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