CWD from the experts............Dr. Deer, James Kroll

LAST EDITED ON Sep-07-18 AT 12:00PM (MST)[p]Thought I would share this presentation. Perhaps you might want to share this with some of your respective state's biologists.

https://texasdeerassociation.com/wp...05/CURRENT-SCIENTIFIC-KNOWLEDGE-ABOUT-CWD.pdf

BOTTOM LINE ON CWD PREVENTION AND CONTROL EFFORTS

A review of the literature based on actual data (not predictive models) clearly shows that that
any past combination of quarantines, containment zones, surveillance zones, depopulation,
elective harvest, increased harvest limits, supplemental feeding bans, baiting bans, bans
on the importation of live cervid species, bans on the importation, of carcasses, bans on
the importation of trophies, and bans on urine based lures, HAVE NOT been effective in
preventing, controlling, or eradicating CWD in any State. These programs have cost in
excess of $100,000,000 of public funding and the killing of thousands of deer without any
measurable positive results.

www.deanparisian.com

Huh, so maybe the so called ?biologists? don't know it all after all... shocker!

>Huh, so maybe the so called
>?biologists? don't know it all
>after all... shocker!


I dont think that it is they dont know. Its more of something they have never had to deal with and all you can do is test, or try or do certain things and then see what the end results are, if any.

But I have always believed that this arm chair biologist knows alot more than many others. But once I thought I was wrong, but then I found out I wasn't.

Anytime someone shows me a "Scientific Report" I ask myself who put this out and who's interest is it serving ?

This one was clearly put out by the Texas deer farmers who want to be able to ship their infected deer all over the Country.

>Anytime someone shows me a "Scientific
>Report" I ask myself who
>put this out and who's
>interest is it serving ?
>
>
>This one was clearly put out
>by the Texas deer farmers
>who want to be able
>to ship their infected deer
>all over the Country.

So, does that automatically invalidate any of the "Scientific Report's" findings?

>Anytime someone shows me a "Scientific
>Report" I ask myself who
>put this out and who's
>interest is it serving ?
>
>
>This one was clearly put out
>by the Texas deer farmers
>who want to be able
>to ship their infected deer
>all over the Country.



I agree with your assertion above. It's tough enough to understand the scientific studies methodologies/conclusions, etc., let alone decipher the philosophical purpose/instigation/financial backing of said studies.

This particular one is only a report, not the actual study done to come to the conclusions by authors. Would love to find it but have been unable to so far. This report does bring a lot of info out into the open, but unfortunately also commits the same 'presumptive' conclusions it attempts to debunk as misinformation.

CWD is a terrible disease that is spreading and more information is not known about it than is known. One thing this report highlights that I agree with is the 'fear mongering' reports by various other study results that are indeed, not back by facts but only suppositions and simulated projections.

One could spend weeks on end perusing, researching, studying the available information published on CWD and still come away shaking your head in bewilderment. Caution must be taken when deciphering the information, and any conclusions should be based only by substantiated "facts", as the above report suggests but fails to do itself in its entirety.

Appreciate the OP's posting up the this report, thanks!

If this was actually a scientific study it wouldn't invalidate their findings. But in most of this they didn't do studies, just used parts of other people studies that suited their purpose.

I will correct one thing I posted. This isn't Texas deer farmers. it's deer farmers from all over North america.

http://www.americancervidalliance.org/council.cfm

LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-18 AT 10:26PM (MST)[p]>If this was actually a scientific
>study it wouldn't invalidate their
>findings. But in most of
>this they didn't do studies,
>just used parts of other
>people studies that suited their
>purpose.
>
>I will correct one thing I
>posted. This isn't Texas deer
>farmers. it's deer farmers from
>all over North america.
>
>http://www.americancervidalliance.org/council.cfm


In other words, your answer is "Yes, they are invalid". With that being the case, are any of the tried hunting proposals/changes listed as solutions for the possible causes valid proposals/changes?

LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-18 AT 06:43PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-18 AT 06:41?PM (MST)

>LAST EDITED ON Sep-07-18
>AT 12:00?PM (MST)
>
>Thought I would share this presentation.
>Perhaps you might want to
>share this with some of
>your respective state's biologists.
>
>

I don't know about other states, but the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources biologists already know all of this, and have since at least 2002 when they started testing for it. And there are already regulations and suggestions in place to deal with it (as much as they/you can). A simple click on their website and a search for CWD will give you more information and links than you're probably willing to read.

You hunters are the ones who need to know this, especially those of you who hunt out of state and bring big game parts to or through Utah (or other states, for that matter). Some stuff you are currently doing may be illegal and/or unsafe.

Edited: WVHunter, I'm still waiting for your answer to the question on my latest post.

Unquestionable fact:
The one thing that will slow down the geographic spread of the disease is not to allow deer to be transported in trailers. That is how it got into Texas and spread from that point to other areas in Texas

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

Texashunter58,

The disease actually migrated into Texas in the Hueco mountains from New Mexico. Recent cases in Hartley and Dallam Counties were more than likely migrant cases also.

The cases located on or around deer breeders within the state were mostly, and probably all, trailered in.

The biggest threat, under current conditions and knowledge of the disease, is transporting deer using vehicles. That is the fastest way to spread the disease.

The deer breeders AND DR KROLL have acted completely irresponsibly and self serving in dealing with this disease. They have %100 put their own dollar ahead of the future and safety of wildlife in North America. The fact they continually LIE to the public and prey upon peoples misunderstandings and ignorance of biology and epidemiology in an effort to put pressure on politicians and further their destructive agenda is disgusting. It is a shame that state and federal law has not caught up with their actions.

LAST EDITED ON Sep-25-18 AT 05:21PM (MST)[p]

Of course the cases in West Texas and the pandhandle migrated from New Mexico. Sorry that I forgot to mention that. I have no doubt the cases in other areas with CWD "remote" to New Mexcio were trailered in.

And yes, Dr Kroll should be renamed Dr. Deer BREEDER, because that is the side of his bread that the butter is on.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)