Grizz hunting is over

ClearCreek · Sep 24, 2018

https://trib.com/lifestyles/recreat...63cf2b347.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

ClearCreek

elkantlers · Sep 24, 2018

What? I sure didn't see this coming. (Sarcasm)

txhunter58 · Sep 24, 2018

I am assuming they will appeal this decision. Too much power for one man to have. If the law is blind in this case (just the facts Mam), I have some oceanfront property...??...

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

tailchasers · Sep 24, 2018

Complete failure of the ESA. Population objectives have been met yet the states do not get control over the species. SMH....

"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."

grizzly · Sep 24, 2018

The problem is the ESA is one of the most important conservation laws ever passed. When it is misapplied, such as here, it raises the furor to dismantle or significantly diminish the ESA which could potentially do much harm to future species in desperate need of our protection.

In other words, we could potentially throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Grizzly

huntfishall1 · Sep 24, 2018

Since it appears this years hunt might not happen...why doesn't someone get in touch with that GoFundMe group, the one that raised tens of thousands $$$ for non hunters to get a grizz tag (and photograph the bears) and ask them to donate that money to the family of the guide that was recently killed?

sjhgraysage · Sep 25, 2018

grizzly,
I your three sentences you said a whole lot. And I agree with you.

It amazes me that one federal judge can make a decision that affects so much and there be no way to challenge the decision :-(

roadrunner · Sep 25, 2018

Since when does a federal judge know anything about wildlife conservation?

The ESA was an act of Congress and should remain so. If that is a right granted back to the states as outlined in the 10th Amendment, a fed judge has no place to make a ruling, it is completely out of their hands...

huntin50 · Sep 25, 2018

Never trust the granola anti-hunting groups and their liberal judges. They will make excuses and change their minds on sound objectives and laws.

Vanilla · Sep 26, 2018

"The problem is the ESA is one of the most important conservation laws ever passed. When it is misapplied, such as here, it raises the furor to dismantle or significantly diminish the ESA which could potentially do much harm to future species in desperate need of our protection.

In other words, we could potentially throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Grizzly"

There is another side to that coin. It could be viewed in the light of saying that those who are filing these frivolous lawsuits against valid hunts, and therefore basically militarizing the ESA for their own agenda, may cause harm to a whole bunch more species in their quest to save a few grizzly bears that no longer appear to be a threatened species. It's all a matter of perspective, I guess.

I understand what you are saying, Grizz. I guess my question becomes...if this is how the ESA is going to be used by anti-hunters, what should hunters and states that believe these species are no longer threatened do? Just take it and continue to leave grizzly bears unchecked?

Blane17 · Sep 26, 2018

Did the same thing when they relisted wolves here in michigan there's been a couple appeals and no change

grizzly · Sep 26, 2018

We're agreeing. I feel the ESA was misapplied by the judge which will lead to the growing call to dismantle the ESA and thus further harm species that need protection. There has been activity in the House and Senate just today in response.

The best thing the judge/environmentalists could have done to save the ESA is to allow animals to be removed from it once their status is sufficiently safe.

Grizzly

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"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News

BeDawg · Sep 27, 2018

Too bad this judge can't be taken to court for murderer as people are dying from grizzly overpopulation. I would at least invite him to visit the murder site and spend some time deep in the heart of grizzly country as to see his mistake.

hawkbill · Sep 30, 2018

This is exactly what happened with wolf delisting in Idaho. The only way this is going to change is standing together as sportsman, gettingorganized, going after legislators, and the game and fish departments. We got it done on the wolves and we can get it done on grissleys,but all sportsman have to get involved. The guys in these small towns around the wyo,mont, and Idaho borders who are fighting to get these grizz hunts passed need help with petitions, town meetings and just a massive influx of of support from all sportsman. The judge needs to see this. When there's enough pissed off people change will happen.I know this because I was on the front line of the wolf battle, it was ugly and took a lot of years of my life and these radical enviromental groups are really no more than a handful people on the ground with a big internet following. We can beat them.