Make It A Hunt Again!

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30inchbucks

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This is my new campaign slogan! Lol Who is with me! Major changes need to be made. And fellow hunters of Utah need to step up and lead the way! Strength is in numbers and no one can change anything alone! So who is in? Or you can sit back, continue to watch and whine on the forums, as things continue down the same old 30 year plan of cutting, cutting, and nothing getting any better that the current wildlife groups and UDWR have concocted. What will it be?
 
Make it a Hunt again?

As In Bring back some Quality?

Or Pound Some More PISSCUTTERS?








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
1 day scoped rifle hunt. 1 day scoped muzzle hunt. 1 week compound bow hunt. 7 day open sight rifle hunt. 7 day no sabots no scopes muzzle hunt. 4 week long no wheels archery. we would all be hunting mature bucks in 3 years and no lost opportunity. who has the huevos to do it?
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-10-18 AT 07:33PM (MST)[p]>1 day scoped rifle hunt.
>1 day scoped muzzle hunt.
> 1 week compound bow
>hunt. 7 day open
>sight rifle hunt. 7
>day no sabots no scopes
>muzzle hunt. 4 week
>long no wheels archery.
>we would all be hunting
>mature bucks in 3 years
>and no lost opportunity.
>who has the huevos to
>do it?

Re-Vamp that Just a F'N Little:

1 day Compound bow Hunt!

7 Day Fred Bear Long Bow!

That's Only 3-1/2 Weeks of Pressure on Our Deer Herd!

The DWR Ain't gonna let that Fly!

We Gotta Hunt Em to F'N Death!









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
I've mentioned more than once limiting technology on ourselves and weapons for some time. I'm not sure that mix is what I would do but I think your on the right track.
 
My point is all I ever see on here is whining and more whining about how bad it is and the pisscutters. And the number 1 solution is always cut the tags and not any real solutions. Be careful what you wish for. Currently it takes 15+ years to draw the paunsaugunt and Henry?s for deer and all the elk 10+ and 20 on some. The general deer is now 2+ for some. What do you want? To wait 30 years for a tag? Or 5+ for a general season? The pauns and Henry?s don't have 200 inchers all over, they are few and far between. Same for 350 + bulls on the elk units. Even as restricted as they are they have all went downhill. You ever think why? Really why? The reason,in my opinion, is hunters have gotten too good at what they do. Success rates are through the roof. Technological advances in equipment is the #1 factor along with the almighty dollar. Have you ever hunted one of these limited entry lately? If so you know it's not what it's cracked up to be. The guide/business regime love them. Usually, 10+ spotters per tag. Not fun competing with that for the biggest and best I can assure you. The number 1 mule deer unit in the west right now is 13b Arizona strip and as I predicted a few years ago, it's on a downward trend. The pressure is just too much even on the most restricted units! When you have 25 guys in camp for 2 tags and 10 cameras on every water it don't take long to kill them all. Years ago we had over 250,000 hunters on the general season deer hunt in this state and deer numbers were about the same as today. Big bucks were plentiful and success rates were a lot lower. A little harder to kill those smarter bucks with a recurve, sidelock, or a 30/30. Then you have to walk because you lack that go anywhere ATV! It's been 20+ years since I've taken a general season deer in this state, 1996 to be exact. I've been lucky to have drawn some good tags before all this riff raff has taken place and also have hunted deer on the general when it was really good back in the day. I have a daughter that has a rifle tag for her 1st hunt in a few weeks so hopefully I'll be tasting some backstraps soon, but if not, we'll have fun anyway trying. All I ask is we think a little more about what we wish for. I wish for the good old days back but it's unfortunately not going to happen. Need solutions to lower success rates, therefore increasing tags, not lowering them. Hard to get them tags back once they're gone.
 
I agree completely that we could do more and address the success rates on our hunts. I would love to see the state designate 5 or 6 units in the state as primitive weapon hunts. Archery only and traditional muzzy. I firmly believe you could use these units to run 1000s of hunters through the LE system and get that back in balance. You could increase opportunity and quality.

To accomplish that you would need to organize at a napkin meeting level and create support to travel to all the RACs and continue with pressure on the WB. And not be discouraged if it takes multiple years to get it passed. Without this you will never get support from the DWR. Its added work and more details for them to deal with. They will not do that on their own. Its just a fact.

Here is one thing to think about. Many claim that killing bucks has no negative affect on the deer numbers, as long as there is 3-5 buck per 100 does to breed. Yet we are saying that technology is the cause of our numbers being down? So which one is it? Why do you care how you kill the bucks if they don't matter to the overall health of the herd anyway?

1 million deer and now 300,000 and we wonder why the hunts are the way they are. Head shaker.
 
Here is another interesting thing to mull over. I recently ran into a fellow on the mountain. He was the project manager for the state of Texas whitetail program. Due to his success with whitetail he has been working with the mule deer herds in Texas. He is having some great results. It is funny that some of our other Western mule deer states aren't utilizing his information and results.
 
I agree that ur going to have to be organized in numbers to get anything changed. Need a group that actually represents the hunters of this state but it is going to take a miracle to organize it. Too many talkers and not enough doers. You?re going to need a small group of guys to round up and organize others, kind of like a pyramid scheme to get it going. Need every hunter on this site to think enough is enough, stop pissing and moaning, and Organize. That would be a good start! Your going to have to obtain numbers greater than sfw and others to get it done. As far as mattering how you kill them and health of the herd I disagree. Hunters are better at what they do, therefore the cream of the crop is getting hammered every year. The 2, 3 and 4 year old bucks and the 5 and 6 year old bulls. Very few escape through the cracks and never get a chance to mature. (5 guys with a 350 per second bow or 5 guys with a recurve on an animal. Are the kill odds the same for both? )That's happening on every unit and area, where more used to escape. In my opinion, numbers are not down, just a lot less maturity in the herds because of technology and the almighty dollar. It's the philosophy of any means necessary to be successful!
 
Hey 30inchbucks!

You Familiar with the Book Cliffs?








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>Dump residents point program..
>Smacked


Ban all Outa-Staters that test Possitive!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
I DO completely agree that we as sportsman have shot ourselves in the feet by demanding all these options for our weapons of choice that make us more effective in the field. We used to have to put a stalk on a buck with a muzzle loader to get inside 100 yard's with our Hawkins, now we can shoot 400 yards across a canyon from the road on that same buck. Same with archery and even rifles, we have become way too efficient. Now add in all the outfitters and dozens of spotters on our public land's literally sleeping with our "trophy" animals from June till the job is done. We are all using better optics and radio communication as well to improve our success rates. And now all these new early season and special tags along with the dedicated hunter programs.
WE HAVE CREATED THIS PROBLEM OURSELVES, PERIOD!
 
Hey PUNK?

Can We Sue The Manufacturers?









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
The only issue I have with this post is it's in General hunting instead of Utah. Lets tell it the way it is, I and others have posted similar complaints and suggestions to help all western big game but especially mule deer. For instance Oregon has went from over half a million or more mule deer to less that 250,000 according to the ODFW. This issue is with all Western States. Having lived in Oregon my whole life I think it's worst than that. All Western fish and games dept. need to get proactive instead of reactive. We need to strictly limit technology both in weapons, game camera's and ATV's and it's only common sense we'll see our big game start to come back. This is bigger than Utah is the whole west. Don't overthink it it's just common since to take these measures to help our mule deer.
 
>The only issue I have with
>this post is it's in
>General hunting instead of Utah.
>Lets tell it the way
>it is, I and others
>have posted similar complaints and
>suggestions to help all western
>big game but especially mule
>deer. For instance Oregon has
>went from over half a
>million or more mule deer
>to less that 250,000 according
>to the ODFW. This issue
>is with all Western States.
>Having lived in Oregon my
>whole life I think it's
>worst than that. All Western
>fish and games dept. need
>to get proactive instead of
>reactive. We need to strictly
>limit technology both in weapons,
>game camera's and ATV's and
>it's only common sense we'll
>see our big game start
>to come back. This is
>bigger than Utah is the
>whole west. Don't overthink it
>it's just common since to
>take these measures to help
>our mule deer.

But How would any of it be Enforced?

Attitude of the Modern Day LawBreaker:

Go Ahead,Give Me the F'N Ticket,I'll Pay it!











I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Enforcing it is always an issue. But right now there is plenty of law breaking going the way it is and most of use could poach or break the rules quite a bit as is. Those the break the law will always break the law and those of use the follow the rules will most likely always follow the rules. My guess is most of us follow the rules most of the time and that will be enough to help our herds.
 
Elkassassin yes I'm familiar with the book cliffs some. Haven?t been out there in 18 years though. Back when I was part of the dedicated poacher program because I was fearful of not having a tag. I turned my unused tag back in and actually lucked out and drew that. Spent a lot of time in the roadless part. Got a good one with my smokepole. I'm sure that area has went to crap like the rest. When I had the tag there were a lot of 22 to 24 inchers running around. Basically 3 year old deer. Found a bruiser after weeding through them all. Saw a few elk then too, but the bear were thick.
 
Are we primarily motivated by the desire to hunt, or the desire to kill? I agree with those who have suggested that we increase hunting opportunity by reducing the efficiency with which we kill. We could allow a lot more tags if we eliminated scopes, cameras, compound bows, etc. in favor of simpler equipment. It would be difficult to agree on what those changes might include, but the more we are willing to forego, the more tags we will see.
 
30,
So either you reduce the number of tags because the hunters are so efficient or you limit the ability of hunters to be successful, ie more archery or primitive weapon muzzy tags (scopes inlines today are more effective than the 4x scoped 3006 of 1970s).
So do it, create the ground swell and push it through. Don?t worry about the SFW they will jump on board is you show a big enough voice at the RACs and you have a solid plan. But you can't get discouraged the first couple go arounds.

Fact, SFW did not support and actually worked against Multiple general units (Opt 2) for many years before a small group finally stayed organized and continued to push. Once it was rolling they finally jumped on board. But it was fought for many year by SFW to start with.
It's a game and you have to learn to play it and be willing to get beat up along the way if you want changes because the DWR sure ain?t going to do it on their own.

Again I'll hit on the project manager from Texas. His views are ideas seemed prettt spot on. They ironically are views and ideas our own DWR swears would never work. Interesting to see results matched against opnions.
 
Just How Many More Tags do We need in this State with Herds in PISS POOR Shape?

The Hunts are NON-Stop & Over-lapped from Mid August through the End of February with Late Slaughter Tags!

When Some of You Finally Realize Not Every TARD in the State Can't have a Handful of Tags EVERY F'N Year You Might become part of the Solution!

These Game Herds never see any Relaxation anymore!

And There's 50 other Reasons Why Our Deer & Elk Herds are Really Starting to SUCK!









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>
>Just How Many More Tags do
>We need in this State
>with Herds in PISS POOR
>Shape?
>
>The Hunts are NON-Stop & Over-lapped
>from Mid August through the
>End of February with Late
>Slaughter Tags!
>
>When Some of You Finally Realize
>Not Every TARD in the
>State Can't have a Handful
>of Tags EVERY F'N Year
>You Might become part of
>the Solution!
>
>These Game Herds never see any
>Relaxation anymore!
>
>And There's 50 other Reasons Why
>Our Deer & Elk Herds
>are Really Starting to SUCK!
>
Yep, then once the hunts are over, the exhausting rut begins, then heavy cold winter, then the shed hunter's start in to finish it all off.
 
Hey, I have a great idea. Let's cut some more tags! Then maybe we can draw once every 40 to 50 years! And a general season every 10!!! Would that make you happy???? Keep pushing and we'll all be sitting home.
 
30,
Cutting tags is justified when the herd has dropped off so hard and never recovered. But there are ways to increase opportunity without increasing harvest. But most are unwilling to think outside the ?Utah tag in every pocket rifle hunt and state wide archery?. There is a path is you're willing to follow and work it. Believe me I seen it happen.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-12-18 AT 08:42PM (MST)[p]More tags need not equate to higher kills. Neither do they require long seasons. Primitive weapons allow more tags and hunting opportunity without higher mortality.
 
I would get on board with most plans that would cease the practice of limiting opportunity in order to "guarantee" 400" bulls to the highest bidder, all grown and raised on public lands.

My plan would look more like this-

First, discontinue the Early Rifle (Rut) elk hunts. Replace them with a "midseason" archery hunt on all the same units, during the same dates as the current rifle hunts. Eliminate the Muzzy hunt where it is now and replace that with a "late" archery hunt. (Or, make it a traditional muzzy hunt only; open sights, no sabots, .54 caliber minimum.) By replacing both of the rut hunts with archery hunt, you can increase tag numbers substantially, and not sacrifice any more bulls. This would drastically begin to decrease point creep. I would move the Muzzy hunt to what is now the Midseason Rifle hunt, and leave the only rifle elk hunt in November.

Second, replace current age objectives. I'm sorry, but sacrificing many big, big bulls to natural death through rut activity and winter kill in order to try and get a few to make it to that magical 9 year old mark, and hopefully have a 400" rack is ridiculous. There needs to be increased opportunity that would bring down the age objectives. Harvest objectives need to increase on many elk units. This will result in increased tags.

Third, start the elimination of cow elk and spike elk only hunts. I would have listed this first, but the other two are so heavily political, I thought theyd be the hardest to get. This one is also hard, because this would gradually take money from the DNR. I don't have a plan to replace the revenue for cow elk tags, or the spike only tags on LE units. Any ideas..??

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
>LAST EDITED ON Oct-12-18
>AT 08:42?PM (MST)
>
>More tags need not equate to
>higher kills. Neither do
>they require long seasons.
>Primitive weapons allow more tags
>and hunting opportunity without higher
>mortality.

With todays Advancements in ALL Weapons You Don't see a Higher mortality?

I'm gonna Call you on that one!









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 

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