slamdunk
Moderator
- Messages
- 10,389
Anti Hunting Propaganda
- Thread starter slamdunk
- Start date
Horsecorn
Very Active Member
- Messages
- 1,288
Jim Posewitz is dip wade. He said the people of Wyoming are backward and need to get into modern times. What he really means is the people of Wyoming need to become liberals. You Wyoming people stay the way you are, the last real conservatives of the west. I'd move there if it wasn?t so damn windy.
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
There is a lot in there; much to disagree with, too.
The Cecil The Lion guy got screwed, he did nothing wrong. The baboon guy did nothing wrong but made a poor decision, in my opinion, in sharing his picture the way he did.
We, as hunters, need to remember that our actions regarding the portrayal of hunting have consequences, some of which come back on us as a group and others come back on us personally.
As to the coyote stuff... If anybody wants to go hunting, I've got the silenced AR, the FoxPro, and a tank of gas. But if I'm driving and you run it down with a snowmobile, you may be walking home.
I view it the same as a deer caught in a fence. Even if I have a tag, I'm going to cut the deer loose and look for another one. I'm not shooting a caged deer, though legally I could. I hunted with a guy with a doe whitetail tag in Montana that came upon a deer stuck in a fence and slit it's throat. I was absolutely disgusted and will never hunt with him again.
That's the thing about ethics. You get yours and I get mine.
Grizzly
The Cecil The Lion guy got screwed, he did nothing wrong. The baboon guy did nothing wrong but made a poor decision, in my opinion, in sharing his picture the way he did.
We, as hunters, need to remember that our actions regarding the portrayal of hunting have consequences, some of which come back on us as a group and others come back on us personally.
As to the coyote stuff... If anybody wants to go hunting, I've got the silenced AR, the FoxPro, and a tank of gas. But if I'm driving and you run it down with a snowmobile, you may be walking home.
I view it the same as a deer caught in a fence. Even if I have a tag, I'm going to cut the deer loose and look for another one. I'm not shooting a caged deer, though legally I could. I hunted with a guy with a doe whitetail tag in Montana that came upon a deer stuck in a fence and slit it's throat. I was absolutely disgusted and will never hunt with him again.
That's the thing about ethics. You get yours and I get mine.
Grizzly
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
"Todd Wilkinson is an American author and journalist proudly trained in the old school tradition."
What the hell is "the old school tradition"?
I am a hunter. I hunt birds, and several species of big game. When I manage coyotes I am a killer. I don't give a flying fart about "fair chase". I am a rolling slaughter machine on a mission to kill, NOT HUNT, as many coyotes in the most efficient way possible. I am proud of how well I do my chores. Some people can be proud of how good their roses look in their garden. Because its well done work. I am just as proud of the piles of rotting coyote corpses I leave in my wake. I am very good at my chores. No non-hunters or anti-hunters are spending millions of dollars to view the coyotes I am killing. They fight the rats in their homes and I fight the canids on my land. I don't ask them if the rat in their house died "fair chase".
If there were wolves on my land there would soon be dead wolves on my land. The fact is HUNTING CAN BE ABOUT "FAIR CHASE", but true wildlife management ain't got spit to do with "fair chase".
The other thing this and other morons need to realize is other countries have their own wildlife models. They don't have the NACM in Zimbabwe. They have their own conservation wildlife model AND IT WORKS. Depending on different societies and governments animals need to an are managed differently than in the USA AND MANAGED WELL. Other countries kill animals under different rules than what Mr. Self-righteous newspaper jerkwad think they should be killed because guess what, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ETHICS THAN MANY AMERICANS. That's okay. Their ethics say "fair chase" is clubbing a seal or spotlighting a lion. Quit trying to tell every little person around the world they have to justify their culture, religion, and traditions to a self-stroking stuck-up jack ass sitting in the luxuries of Chicago.
What the hell is "the old school tradition"?
I am a hunter. I hunt birds, and several species of big game. When I manage coyotes I am a killer. I don't give a flying fart about "fair chase". I am a rolling slaughter machine on a mission to kill, NOT HUNT, as many coyotes in the most efficient way possible. I am proud of how well I do my chores. Some people can be proud of how good their roses look in their garden. Because its well done work. I am just as proud of the piles of rotting coyote corpses I leave in my wake. I am very good at my chores. No non-hunters or anti-hunters are spending millions of dollars to view the coyotes I am killing. They fight the rats in their homes and I fight the canids on my land. I don't ask them if the rat in their house died "fair chase".
If there were wolves on my land there would soon be dead wolves on my land. The fact is HUNTING CAN BE ABOUT "FAIR CHASE", but true wildlife management ain't got spit to do with "fair chase".
The other thing this and other morons need to realize is other countries have their own wildlife models. They don't have the NACM in Zimbabwe. They have their own conservation wildlife model AND IT WORKS. Depending on different societies and governments animals need to an are managed differently than in the USA AND MANAGED WELL. Other countries kill animals under different rules than what Mr. Self-righteous newspaper jerkwad think they should be killed because guess what, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ETHICS THAN MANY AMERICANS. That's okay. Their ethics say "fair chase" is clubbing a seal or spotlighting a lion. Quit trying to tell every little person around the world they have to justify their culture, religion, and traditions to a self-stroking stuck-up jack ass sitting in the luxuries of Chicago.
>"Todd Wilkinson is an American author
>and journalist proudly trained in
>the old school tradition."
>
>What the hell is "the old
>school tradition"?
>
>
>I am a hunter. I
>hunt birds, and several species
>of big game. When
>I manage coyotes I am
>a killer. I don't
>give a flying fart about
>"fair chase". I am
>a rolling slaughter machine on
>a mission to kill, NOT
>HUNT, as many coyotes in
>the most efficient way possible.
> I am proud of
>how well I do my
>chores. Some people can
>be proud of how good
>their roses look in their
>garden. Because its well
>done work. I am
>just as proud of the
>piles of rotting coyote
>corpses I leave in my
>wake. I am very
>good at my chores.
>No non-hunters or anti-hunters are
>spending millions of dollars to
>view the coyotes I am
>killing. They fight the
>rats in their homes and
>I fight the canids on
>my land. I don't
>ask them if the rat
>in their house died "fair
>chase".
>
>If there were wolves on my
>land there would soon be
>dead wolves on my land.
> The fact is HUNTING
>CAN BE ABOUT "FAIR CHASE",
>but true wildlife management ain't
>got spit to do with
>"fair chase".
>
>The other thing this and other
>morons need to realize is
>other countries have their own
>wildlife models. They don't
>have the NACM in Zimbabwe.
> They have their own
>conservation wildlife model AND IT
>WORKS. Depending on different
>societies and governments animals need
>to an are managed differently
>than in the USA AND
>MANAGED WELL. Other countries
>kill animals under different rules
>than what Mr. Self-righteous newspaper
>jerkwad think they should be
>killed because guess what, THEY
>HAVE DIFFERENT ETHICS THAN MANY
>AMERICANS. That's okay.
>Their ethics say "fair chase"
>is clubbing a seal or
>spotlighting a lion. Quit
>trying to tell every little
>person around the world they
>have to justify their culture,
>religion, and traditions to a
>self-stroking stuck-up jack ass sitting
>in the luxuries of Chicago.
>
hahahahahahhahahahahaha.
>and journalist proudly trained in
>the old school tradition."
>
>What the hell is "the old
>school tradition"?
>
>
>I am a hunter. I
>hunt birds, and several species
>of big game. When
>I manage coyotes I am
>a killer. I don't
>give a flying fart about
>"fair chase". I am
>a rolling slaughter machine on
>a mission to kill, NOT
>HUNT, as many coyotes in
>the most efficient way possible.
> I am proud of
>how well I do my
>chores. Some people can
>be proud of how good
>their roses look in their
>garden. Because its well
>done work. I am
>just as proud of the
>piles of rotting coyote
>corpses I leave in my
>wake. I am very
>good at my chores.
>No non-hunters or anti-hunters are
>spending millions of dollars to
>view the coyotes I am
>killing. They fight the
>rats in their homes and
>I fight the canids on
>my land. I don't
>ask them if the rat
>in their house died "fair
>chase".
>
>If there were wolves on my
>land there would soon be
>dead wolves on my land.
> The fact is HUNTING
>CAN BE ABOUT "FAIR CHASE",
>but true wildlife management ain't
>got spit to do with
>"fair chase".
>
>The other thing this and other
>morons need to realize is
>other countries have their own
>wildlife models. They don't
>have the NACM in Zimbabwe.
> They have their own
>conservation wildlife model AND IT
>WORKS. Depending on different
>societies and governments animals need
>to an are managed differently
>than in the USA AND
>MANAGED WELL. Other countries
>kill animals under different rules
>than what Mr. Self-righteous newspaper
>jerkwad think they should be
>killed because guess what, THEY
>HAVE DIFFERENT ETHICS THAN MANY
>AMERICANS. That's okay.
>Their ethics say "fair chase"
>is clubbing a seal or
>spotlighting a lion. Quit
>trying to tell every little
>person around the world they
>have to justify their culture,
>religion, and traditions to a
>self-stroking stuck-up jack ass sitting
>in the luxuries of Chicago.
>
hahahahahahhahahahahaha.
KennyT
Active Member
- Messages
- 153
The big difference is anti hunters are willing to fight aggainst hunters. They will come together, write articles, spend money, get celebrities to pose nude, block roads, do anything to stop hunting. The only thing hunters are willing to do is blame each other. If you don't like your friend cutting the throat of a deer you should have shot it. That deer would have died a much worse death. I say it's time to dig our feet in and push back. If they don't like hunting to damn bad.
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-18 AT 12:04PM (MST)[p]>If you
>don't like your friend cutting
>the throat of a deer
>you should have shot it.
I didn't have a doe tag and am not a poacher. We spooked that deer and it ran into the fence so it had only been there about 2 minutes when we got to it. He could've used the knife to cut the fence or even stepped on the bottom wire and the deer would've fallen right out. I thought that is what he was going to do when he walked up to it, I never could've imagined somebody could be such a dirt bag. I was young and uninformed but if I saw that today I'd call DWR and have them investigated for animal cruelty and 'illegal take' if killing a deer with a knife was illegal in that state.
If you want to ruin hunting, allow people like that do be the face of hunting. The best way to protect our heritage is to call out the @ssholes and let the public know that we as hunters do not condone unethical activity. Killing an animal does not make somebody a hunter, it is much more than that.
I'd be ashamed to call myself a hunter if I slit the throat of a trapped deer or ran coyotes down with a snowmobile. I guess I see a difference in a 'fair chase hunter' and a 'rolling slaughter machine'. Some of us are different that way.
Running down coyotes does harm and gives ammo in an unnecessary way. These guys are ethical hunters that do well by our sport.
Grizzly
>don't like your friend cutting
>the throat of a deer
>you should have shot it.
I didn't have a doe tag and am not a poacher. We spooked that deer and it ran into the fence so it had only been there about 2 minutes when we got to it. He could've used the knife to cut the fence or even stepped on the bottom wire and the deer would've fallen right out. I thought that is what he was going to do when he walked up to it, I never could've imagined somebody could be such a dirt bag. I was young and uninformed but if I saw that today I'd call DWR and have them investigated for animal cruelty and 'illegal take' if killing a deer with a knife was illegal in that state.
If you want to ruin hunting, allow people like that do be the face of hunting. The best way to protect our heritage is to call out the @ssholes and let the public know that we as hunters do not condone unethical activity. Killing an animal does not make somebody a hunter, it is much more than that.
I'd be ashamed to call myself a hunter if I slit the throat of a trapped deer or ran coyotes down with a snowmobile. I guess I see a difference in a 'fair chase hunter' and a 'rolling slaughter machine'. Some of us are different that way.
Running down coyotes does harm and gives ammo in an unnecessary way. These guys are ethical hunters that do well by our sport.
Grizzly
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
WHat the heck is wrong with cutting an animal's throat?????
Almost every piece of red meat commercially slaughtered had its throat slit?
Over a billion people worldwide think that is the only way you can properly eat select animals including deer and cows.
Our ancestors slit animals throats for thousands of years so people now could some how decide "It's not hunting"????????????????
I'm ashamed YOU call yourself a hunter while staring down your self-righteous beak at people because they cut an animals throat.
Almost every piece of red meat commercially slaughtered had its throat slit?
Over a billion people worldwide think that is the only way you can properly eat select animals including deer and cows.
Our ancestors slit animals throats for thousands of years so people now could some how decide "It's not hunting"????????????????
I'm ashamed YOU call yourself a hunter while staring down your self-righteous beak at people because they cut an animals throat.
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
What does commercially slaughtered meat have to do with hunting? Do you consider the slaughterhouse to be hunting? I guess in Texas I can see how you'd get those confused since the line is blurred. The same applies to sustenance butchering of farm animals in certain religions. But nobody considers that hunting!
If you think finding a trapped deer and cutting it's throat is hunting, then that's on you. I don't shoot fenced animals over a corn feeder and call it hunting either.
But, of course, I'm a public land fair chase hunter and not a rolling slaughter machine on wheels. So what do I know?
Since this discussion is about public perception of hunting, you go ahead and film yourself slitting the throats of trapped animals and see how that goes over in the advancement of hunting as opposed to humane fair chase principals.
I'll keep my ethics. You can have yours.
Grizzly
If you think finding a trapped deer and cutting it's throat is hunting, then that's on you. I don't shoot fenced animals over a corn feeder and call it hunting either.
But, of course, I'm a public land fair chase hunter and not a rolling slaughter machine on wheels. So what do I know?
Since this discussion is about public perception of hunting, you go ahead and film yourself slitting the throats of trapped animals and see how that goes over in the advancement of hunting as opposed to humane fair chase principals.
I'll keep my ethics. You can have yours.
Grizzly
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
Grizzly,
I want you to slow down for one second and quit acting like a snob and answer one question.
What is the ethical difference between slitting a deer's throat and slitting a steer's throat?
Use logic and quit worrying about what YOU want hunting to be AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
On a side note do you know there are international "hunting" laws which state you must try and wound but incapacitate an animal so that you can reach it while it is still alive AND SLIT IT'S THROAT?
You think nothing should be called hunting unless YOU consider it "fair chase" and I am telling you that is the very cancer which will make sure your grandchildren never get to hunt in any way shape or form.
I want you to slow down for one second and quit acting like a snob and answer one question.
What is the ethical difference between slitting a deer's throat and slitting a steer's throat?
Use logic and quit worrying about what YOU want hunting to be AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
On a side note do you know there are international "hunting" laws which state you must try and wound but incapacitate an animal so that you can reach it while it is still alive AND SLIT IT'S THROAT?
You think nothing should be called hunting unless YOU consider it "fair chase" and I am telling you that is the very cancer which will make sure your grandchildren never get to hunt in any way shape or form.
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-18 AT 04:18PM (MST)[p]>Grizzly,
>What is the ethical difference between
>slitting a deer's throat and
>slitting a steer's throat?
The difference is whether you're a butcher or a hunter. I'm a hunter. The guy standing on an assembly line at JBS is a butcher. He doesn't go home and tell everybody he hunted hundreds of cows that day that were bolted in the brain and hung up to be bled out. The fact that you think those are relatable to fair chase hunting is ridiculous.
I take seriously my responsibly to ensure a clean, quick kill. If you've ever seen the throat cut of fully aware deer and it doesn't make you yearn for a more humane way, then that says a lot about you as a person. That's like saying dying from an aneurysm and being burned alive are the same since they both end in death; there is certainly a relativism involved.
You seem to think that because an animal gets killed, it's "hunting". Hunting is much more than that, it's about the chase, respect for nature and the animals we hunt, and a responsibility to our harvest.
But you've made it very clear already, you're a rolling slaughterhouse on wheels.
I hate to break it to you, buddy, but your disregard for the sanctity of hunting is the cancer that will get it taken away.
If your beliefs become the mainstream among sportsmen, there will be nobody to stand with us. We may never win the anti-hunters to our side, but we need to win the non-hunters and your attitude will never do that.
You ask the average person if they prefer their chicken and beef to be humanely raised or in a little box and the average person wants humane treatment of animals. The average person respects animals, even if they understand they will be killed for food.
Once hunters are seen as inhumane blood-lusts we'll lose the battle for the hearts and minds of those who so far are not strongly positioned either way.
And nobody will stand with us.
Grizzly
>What is the ethical difference between
>slitting a deer's throat and
>slitting a steer's throat?
The difference is whether you're a butcher or a hunter. I'm a hunter. The guy standing on an assembly line at JBS is a butcher. He doesn't go home and tell everybody he hunted hundreds of cows that day that were bolted in the brain and hung up to be bled out. The fact that you think those are relatable to fair chase hunting is ridiculous.
I take seriously my responsibly to ensure a clean, quick kill. If you've ever seen the throat cut of fully aware deer and it doesn't make you yearn for a more humane way, then that says a lot about you as a person. That's like saying dying from an aneurysm and being burned alive are the same since they both end in death; there is certainly a relativism involved.
You seem to think that because an animal gets killed, it's "hunting". Hunting is much more than that, it's about the chase, respect for nature and the animals we hunt, and a responsibility to our harvest.
But you've made it very clear already, you're a rolling slaughterhouse on wheels.
I hate to break it to you, buddy, but your disregard for the sanctity of hunting is the cancer that will get it taken away.
If your beliefs become the mainstream among sportsmen, there will be nobody to stand with us. We may never win the anti-hunters to our side, but we need to win the non-hunters and your attitude will never do that.
You ask the average person if they prefer their chicken and beef to be humanely raised or in a little box and the average person wants humane treatment of animals. The average person respects animals, even if they understand they will be killed for food.
Once hunters are seen as inhumane blood-lusts we'll lose the battle for the hearts and minds of those who so far are not strongly positioned either way.
And nobody will stand with us.
Grizzly
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
You dodged the question. I want you to tell me what the ethical difference is between a deer getting his throat cut and the beef you eat. Don't Dodge it.
So you have a problem with a deers throat being cut as not a quick clean kill but the beef you eat is fine as long as you don't have to see it done???????? Can you get any more self righteous?
How about this question which I'm sure you don't have the guts to answer. You wound a deer. You walk up to it and put a bullet in him and finish him. Is that some how more "fair chase" than slitting it's throat?
Me letting people be free to hunt and kill the way they want isn't the threat to hunting. It's the gutless people like you that want to act like Rosie Odonal and tell everyone else what's right, wrong, and "fair".
You missed the entire point of my first post. It wasn't about hunting or "fair" treatment to the animal. It's about getting a necessary job done and not having to be scrutinized by a self stroking snob for doing my job extremely well. Just like I don't analyze wether the mice you killed in your house are done "fair chase" I don't need you telling me how to massacre coyotes.
So you have a problem with a deers throat being cut as not a quick clean kill but the beef you eat is fine as long as you don't have to see it done???????? Can you get any more self righteous?
How about this question which I'm sure you don't have the guts to answer. You wound a deer. You walk up to it and put a bullet in him and finish him. Is that some how more "fair chase" than slitting it's throat?
Me letting people be free to hunt and kill the way they want isn't the threat to hunting. It's the gutless people like you that want to act like Rosie Odonal and tell everyone else what's right, wrong, and "fair".
You missed the entire point of my first post. It wasn't about hunting or "fair" treatment to the animal. It's about getting a necessary job done and not having to be scrutinized by a self stroking snob for doing my job extremely well. Just like I don't analyze wether the mice you killed in your house are done "fair chase" I don't need you telling me how to massacre coyotes.
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
Have you ever been in a modern slaughterhouse? I have and not a single cow was conscious when it's throat was slit.
You can call me all the names you want, but one thing I know is that I'm an ethical fair chase hunter. Apparently you have a problem with hunters that do things ethically and fair chase, which puts you pretty far down the food chain in my book. This conversation with you is over.
You can call me all the names you want, but one thing I know is that I'm an ethical fair chase hunter. Apparently you have a problem with hunters that do things ethically and fair chase, which puts you pretty far down the food chain in my book. This conversation with you is over.
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
You still are dodging the question.
So now the difference to you is the level of consciousness of the animal?????? That's how you decide if one person is worthy of your approval????? Let me guess. Those cows are sung sweetly to sleep by little faries which you have approved personally.
You are an ethical fair chase hunter ACCORDING TO YOUR ETHICS. I don't have a single problem with hunters who set ethical perameters for their own hunt. I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH A STUCK UP SNOB DECIDING OTHER PEOPLE ARE BENEATH HIM BECAUSE THEY DON'T KILL ANIMALS IN A FASHION HE APPROVES.
So now the difference to you is the level of consciousness of the animal?????? That's how you decide if one person is worthy of your approval????? Let me guess. Those cows are sung sweetly to sleep by little faries which you have approved personally.
You are an ethical fair chase hunter ACCORDING TO YOUR ETHICS. I don't have a single problem with hunters who set ethical perameters for their own hunt. I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH A STUCK UP SNOB DECIDING OTHER PEOPLE ARE BENEATH HIM BECAUSE THEY DON'T KILL ANIMALS IN A FASHION HE APPROVES.
elkassassin
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 36,928
It's Friday Night & I'm CHILLIN a 6 Pack of DEW!
I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces
It Ain't Easy being Me!
I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces
It Ain't Easy being Me!
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-18 AT 09:02PM (MST)[p]>
>It's Friday Night & I'm CHILLIN
>a 6 Pack of DEW!
Sounds like fun, elkassassin. I'm going to go put a new gas tank in a 1977 F-150. I'll leave it to you to explain how hunting and slaughtering farm animals are not the same thing.
Would anybody rather put down their dog with a slit throat over .22? The humane dispatch of animals is certainly up for consideration and should be of utmost importance to ethical hunters. Godspeed!
Here I sit, my cheeks a flexin', I just gave birth to another Texan. - Bill Shakespeare
>It's Friday Night & I'm CHILLIN
>a 6 Pack of DEW!
Sounds like fun, elkassassin. I'm going to go put a new gas tank in a 1977 F-150. I'll leave it to you to explain how hunting and slaughtering farm animals are not the same thing.
Would anybody rather put down their dog with a slit throat over .22? The humane dispatch of animals is certainly up for consideration and should be of utmost importance to ethical hunters. Godspeed!
Here I sit, my cheeks a flexin', I just gave birth to another Texan. - Bill Shakespeare
eelgrass
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 31,423
>...looked like fun
>
>
>GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans
>-- when they're dead...
You'd like my grandpa then. While living in Kansas he bought one of the first Harley-Davidson motorcycles sold in that county and chased coyotes out on the prairies.
>
>
>GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans
>-- when they're dead...
You'd like my grandpa then. While living in Kansas he bought one of the first Harley-Davidson motorcycles sold in that county and chased coyotes out on the prairies.
Vanilla
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 4,554
I couldn't read the whole article, I lose interest in long write ups that are pushing a biased agenda.
It was also really tough to watch that video. I hope those people look back at that and are ashamed, but I am not holding my breath. These types of actions aren't the least bit surprising when we consider all the atrocious things we do and have done as humans. Kind of sad when you think about it, but not surprising.
It was also really tough to watch that video. I hope those people look back at that and are ashamed, but I am not holding my breath. These types of actions aren't the least bit surprising when we consider all the atrocious things we do and have done as humans. Kind of sad when you think about it, but not surprising.
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
A good NPR article on how ethical hunting is used to attract non-hunters.
We may not win the anti-hunters, but we need to keep the non-hunters from becoming anti-hunters.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...on-what-my-dad-and-i-learned-in-hunting-class
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
We may not win the anti-hunters, but we need to keep the non-hunters from becoming anti-hunters.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...on-what-my-dad-and-i-learned-in-hunting-class
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
hossblur
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 10,500
When we had sheep we used to slit there throats. Also chopped heads off chickens.
Neither were hunting, or sporting.
Not surprised a dude from the high fence state doesn't grasp the difference in huntingvs killing
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
Neither were hunting, or sporting.
Not surprised a dude from the high fence state doesn't grasp the difference in huntingvs killing
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
I know the difference between "hunting" and "killing". My point that is beyond your brainpower IS THAT WE NEED BOTH. You two self-righteous snobs need to quit kissing the backsides of the people who are out to shut you down because guess what THEY DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR ETHICS ARE. That's what Grizzly can't figure out. His ethics are just that. HIS ethics. Everybody has their version of ethics. Now that he stands against killing coyotes unless its how he and Rosie Odonal approve the rest of you who actually have to deal with living with coyotes and making money around coyotes will just have to suffer because Grizzly and Rosie's feelings got hurt when the coyote died not "Fair chase".
For the rest of the people who have to live in the coyotes mouth i'm sure they will change their ethics to match a couple of stuck up wannabees judging them from a computer screen.
Hey Hossblur, what is more "fair chase"? Putting a bullet in the back of a deer's head or cutting it's throat. Be a man and answer the question. Grizzly wouldn't.
For the rest of the people who have to live in the coyotes mouth i'm sure they will change their ethics to match a couple of stuck up wannabees judging them from a computer screen.
Hey Hossblur, what is more "fair chase"? Putting a bullet in the back of a deer's head or cutting it's throat. Be a man and answer the question. Grizzly wouldn't.
Vanilla
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 4,554
Grizz and Hoss getting caught up in a circular argument in the weeds and not focusing on the topic at hand? Weird, that never happens...
I'm not concerned with the antis, and never will be. They are not going to be convinced, and you'll spend your entire life giving up things you value to never satisfy them. That doesn't only go for hunting, but for ANY subject, really. I gave up trying to please those that refuse to be pleased a long time ago.
But Grizz's article illustrates a good point, you don't want to alienate those that are in the middle. I know that is the way things work now politically, but I still don't like it.
I'm not concerned with the antis, and never will be. They are not going to be convinced, and you'll spend your entire life giving up things you value to never satisfy them. That doesn't only go for hunting, but for ANY subject, really. I gave up trying to please those that refuse to be pleased a long time ago.
But Grizz's article illustrates a good point, you don't want to alienate those that are in the middle. I know that is the way things work now politically, but I still don't like it.
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
I totally understand the article. But that doesn't change the reality of it is the wrong approach. Quit worrying about alienation and start worrying about education. These people don't worry about alienation when they question my means or methods of getting a job done so hand it write back at them. The people in the middle can be influenced with logic. Educate them about the cold hard facts of life and quit changing your position until you end up so compromised you have no means to protect yourself anymore. Act like leaders too. Quit being apologetic for totally reasonable behavior that doesn't need to be justified. When someone wants to get self-righteous with you put them in their place both logically and emotionally.
If they want to get squeemish about knowing a deer had his throat slit LET THEM KNOW THEIR HAMBURGER HAD ITS THROAT SLIT. If they want to get squeemish about a coyote getting killed by a snow mobile SHOW THEM THE PICTURE OF YOUR DOG THAT GOT RIPPED TO BITS BY COYOTES. Tell them to grow the ---- up and quit preaching at you. They push you around because they know they can. It's easier for you to join them and whine at your fellow hunter than it is to grow a backbone and put them in their place and educate them.
If they want to get squeemish about knowing a deer had his throat slit LET THEM KNOW THEIR HAMBURGER HAD ITS THROAT SLIT. If they want to get squeemish about a coyote getting killed by a snow mobile SHOW THEM THE PICTURE OF YOUR DOG THAT GOT RIPPED TO BITS BY COYOTES. Tell them to grow the ---- up and quit preaching at you. They push you around because they know they can. It's easier for you to join them and whine at your fellow hunter than it is to grow a backbone and put them in their place and educate them.
Captain_coues
Very Active Member
- Messages
- 1,449
Tri,
Can you think of a wrong way to kill a Coyote?
Can you think of a wrong way to kill a Coyote?
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
>it's easier to whine
>at your fellow hunter than
>it is to grow a
>backbone and put them in
>their place and educate them.
>
Is that what you think you've done, put people in their place and educate them? Is that why so many people on MM agree with your philosophies? Is that why so many of us are clamoring to shoot artificially inseminated, ear-tagged, hand-fed, pen-raised deer at a corn feeder? Because you put us in our place and educated us?
You might be better to stay off hunting websites and focus your time on websites dedicated to "rolling slaughter machines on a mission to kill".
------------------------------------
There is a reason the meat industry tries to hide what really happens inside packing plants. The average American is turned off by harming animals, even if they are naive and hypocritical when they buy their beef at the grocery store. The meat packing industry is wise enough to know that some aspects of their business are better left unexamined, and hunters would be wise to put on the most positive and acceptable face when they are showing their sport to the public. A large contingent of the public can accept hunting as a family tradition and one to put food on the table, not so many will accept slitting the throat of a trapped deer or running over exhausted animals in deep snow.
If only 4% of the public hunts, we do NOT have the power to protect our sport via the polls if we deliberately ostracize the remaining public. Why do you think anti-hunters write these propaganda articles about the snowmobile guys? It is the easiest way to win the case.... through emotion. They don't show grandpa taking his granddaughter on a deer hunt for a meat doe. They show this type of stuff. This is where they'll win their fight because the average American doesn't want this stuff going on.
As long as hunters are standing in a circular firing squad and loading the guns by unethically killing animals, we're doing the heavy lifting for them.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>at your fellow hunter than
>it is to grow a
>backbone and put them in
>their place and educate them.
>
Is that what you think you've done, put people in their place and educate them? Is that why so many people on MM agree with your philosophies? Is that why so many of us are clamoring to shoot artificially inseminated, ear-tagged, hand-fed, pen-raised deer at a corn feeder? Because you put us in our place and educated us?
You might be better to stay off hunting websites and focus your time on websites dedicated to "rolling slaughter machines on a mission to kill".
------------------------------------
There is a reason the meat industry tries to hide what really happens inside packing plants. The average American is turned off by harming animals, even if they are naive and hypocritical when they buy their beef at the grocery store. The meat packing industry is wise enough to know that some aspects of their business are better left unexamined, and hunters would be wise to put on the most positive and acceptable face when they are showing their sport to the public. A large contingent of the public can accept hunting as a family tradition and one to put food on the table, not so many will accept slitting the throat of a trapped deer or running over exhausted animals in deep snow.
If only 4% of the public hunts, we do NOT have the power to protect our sport via the polls if we deliberately ostracize the remaining public. Why do you think anti-hunters write these propaganda articles about the snowmobile guys? It is the easiest way to win the case.... through emotion. They don't show grandpa taking his granddaughter on a deer hunt for a meat doe. They show this type of stuff. This is where they'll win their fight because the average American doesn't want this stuff going on.
As long as hunters are standing in a circular firing squad and loading the guns by unethically killing animals, we're doing the heavy lifting for them.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
Vanilla
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 4,554
Tri, don't worry sir. I haven't compromised any of my positions, and I haven't let any of them push me around.
I placed a big old sign on a vegetarian's lawn just this week outing them for the liberal sissies that they are!
We'll take back America, even if it means shaking the tree of liberty and spilling a little blood.
Viva la revolucion!!!!!
I placed a big old sign on a vegetarian's lawn just this week outing them for the liberal sissies that they are!
We'll take back America, even if it means shaking the tree of liberty and spilling a little blood.
Viva la revolucion!!!!!
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
LAST EDITED ON Dec-17-18 AT 03:56PM (MST)[p]>Tri, don't worry sir. I haven't
>compromised any of my positions,
>and I haven't let any
>of them push me around.
>
>
>I placed a big old sign
>on a vegetarian's lawn just
>this week outing them for
>the liberal sissies that they
>are!
>
>We'll take back America, even if
>it means shaking the tree
>of liberty and spilling a
>little blood.
>
>Viva la revolucion!!!!!
Nevermind, your post said enough
>compromised any of my positions,
>and I haven't let any
>of them push me around.
>
>
>I placed a big old sign
>on a vegetarian's lawn just
>this week outing them for
>the liberal sissies that they
>are!
>
>We'll take back America, even if
>it means shaking the tree
>of liberty and spilling a
>little blood.
>
>Viva la revolucion!!!!!
Nevermind, your post said enough
Captain_coues
Very Active Member
- Messages
- 1,449
>"Can you think of a wrong
>way to kill a Coyote?"
>
>
>
>With Kindness.
lol
But seriously, can you give us an example of going too far, or a death being too much to watch for a Coyote, Deer or anything. Can there be anything that can be too distasteful to watch or share with the world? I think that's the difference some are trying to make.
>way to kill a Coyote?"
>
>
>
>With Kindness.
lol
But seriously, can you give us an example of going too far, or a death being too much to watch for a Coyote, Deer or anything. Can there be anything that can be too distasteful to watch or share with the world? I think that's the difference some are trying to make.
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
"Is that what you think you've done, put people in their place and educate them?"
Some yes and some no.
"Is that why so many people on MM agree with your philosophies?"
You'd be surprised how many people agree with me on different subjects. I have even received messages regarding this thread and how ridiculous you sound. But that's not why I do it. I do what's right. Meanwhile you are stuck thinking your life is a popularity contest and one day your going to be homecoming queen. Good luck. You can keep living lies because you and your BFF Rosie are afraid of the truth.
By the way I've never told anyone on here they should hunt corn feeders or high fences. Never once. But I don't expect you to tell the truth. UNLIKE YOU I HAVE NEVER TOLD SOMEONE THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HUNT HOW THEY SEE FIT. Sorry I grew up in a time and a place where you respected other men's decisions and minded your own business., obviously you grew up being told your crap don't stink and its your job to make sure everybody has to smell it.
Last I love your snipit about the meat industry. Do you actually believe the PR is why the meat industry strictly regulates videos of its industry????????????? Nooooooooooo. They do it because they are civilly and criminally liable for a consumable product that is heavily regulated by state, federal, and municipal governments. Are you so dumb you think that if the meat industry in the united states got some bad PR they would be outlawed????????????????? 350,000,000 people consuming their product everyday and you think they could get outlawed??????? Why don't you study a little history and find out what happens to politicians that mess with the unprocessed food industries. It's political suicide. Americans would sooner elect a child raping nazi than a person who says they are going to shut down the meat industry. But that's the problem. You still think this is your popularity contest and you can't loose any "likes" on your facebook page so you think everyone else thinks that way.
See Grizzly you are a dishonest person and intellectually dishonest even with yourself. You even told everybody here you were done with this thread. But you came right back. You are dishonest when you want to say slitting deer's throats and steer's throats are ethically different. You want to be dishonest and say shooting an immobilized deer is "fair chase" but slitting one's throat isn't. Then you think you will win over non-hunters to be on your side by being dishonest with them about what we do and the culture we came from. But it's okay. For you its a hobby. For some of us it is our livelihood and you and the Rossie Odonals of this world will always know better than the people who actually have to live with the hard decisions in this world.
Some yes and some no.
"Is that why so many people on MM agree with your philosophies?"
You'd be surprised how many people agree with me on different subjects. I have even received messages regarding this thread and how ridiculous you sound. But that's not why I do it. I do what's right. Meanwhile you are stuck thinking your life is a popularity contest and one day your going to be homecoming queen. Good luck. You can keep living lies because you and your BFF Rosie are afraid of the truth.
By the way I've never told anyone on here they should hunt corn feeders or high fences. Never once. But I don't expect you to tell the truth. UNLIKE YOU I HAVE NEVER TOLD SOMEONE THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HUNT HOW THEY SEE FIT. Sorry I grew up in a time and a place where you respected other men's decisions and minded your own business., obviously you grew up being told your crap don't stink and its your job to make sure everybody has to smell it.
Last I love your snipit about the meat industry. Do you actually believe the PR is why the meat industry strictly regulates videos of its industry????????????? Nooooooooooo. They do it because they are civilly and criminally liable for a consumable product that is heavily regulated by state, federal, and municipal governments. Are you so dumb you think that if the meat industry in the united states got some bad PR they would be outlawed????????????????? 350,000,000 people consuming their product everyday and you think they could get outlawed??????? Why don't you study a little history and find out what happens to politicians that mess with the unprocessed food industries. It's political suicide. Americans would sooner elect a child raping nazi than a person who says they are going to shut down the meat industry. But that's the problem. You still think this is your popularity contest and you can't loose any "likes" on your facebook page so you think everyone else thinks that way.
See Grizzly you are a dishonest person and intellectually dishonest even with yourself. You even told everybody here you were done with this thread. But you came right back. You are dishonest when you want to say slitting deer's throats and steer's throats are ethically different. You want to be dishonest and say shooting an immobilized deer is "fair chase" but slitting one's throat isn't. Then you think you will win over non-hunters to be on your side by being dishonest with them about what we do and the culture we came from. But it's okay. For you its a hobby. For some of us it is our livelihood and you and the Rossie Odonals of this world will always know better than the people who actually have to live with the hard decisions in this world.
hossblur
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 10,500
LAST EDITED ON Dec-17-18 AT 05:03PM (MST)[p]Last I heard Tri you live in the 5th biggest city in America. So perhaps stop educating folks that don't. Folks who actually live where there are animals not in a petting zoo.
I've freed probably a dozen deer out of barbwire fences, half during seasons. Never dawned on me I should have decapitated one.
In not sure about Texas, but in a lot of states that frequent this page, they are ballot initiative states. Meaning you can "educate" all day, and when the 95% of the public decide they don't want hunting, it goes away. Ask the boys in Cali. Or in Arizona. I doubt the fellas in BC are a bunch of "lib sissies", they lost Grizz hunting via non hunting public.
As always you think if your not running your mouth, or flashing pics all over the internet(BLAAAAAMMMM) then your not proving your manhood. As usual your wrong.
I'm sure my 70 yr old neighbors still have "relations", but I don't need to hear about it, or see it on YouTube, some things are best left in the dark.
As for coyote in particular. Go read the studies. Your "slaughterhouse on wheels", ain't made a dent, in fact its spread the populations further east. I'm pro hunting them, but I don't pretend its some great crusade, its just hunting a predator.
I've run over skunks, raccoons, squirrels. It wasn't hunting. I didn't get it confused.
Does a deer IN A FENCE care if it gets a knife or bullet? NO. I don't project human characteristics onto animals. When I free one I don't expect a thank you either. Do I know killing one tangled up, shooting ducks on a pond, snagging fish, ground pounding pheasants, isn't exactly sporting, YUP.
I'm sure there are tons of deer tangled in barbwire in Houston, so I don't have your level of education.
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
I've freed probably a dozen deer out of barbwire fences, half during seasons. Never dawned on me I should have decapitated one.
In not sure about Texas, but in a lot of states that frequent this page, they are ballot initiative states. Meaning you can "educate" all day, and when the 95% of the public decide they don't want hunting, it goes away. Ask the boys in Cali. Or in Arizona. I doubt the fellas in BC are a bunch of "lib sissies", they lost Grizz hunting via non hunting public.
As always you think if your not running your mouth, or flashing pics all over the internet(BLAAAAAMMMM) then your not proving your manhood. As usual your wrong.
I'm sure my 70 yr old neighbors still have "relations", but I don't need to hear about it, or see it on YouTube, some things are best left in the dark.
As for coyote in particular. Go read the studies. Your "slaughterhouse on wheels", ain't made a dent, in fact its spread the populations further east. I'm pro hunting them, but I don't pretend its some great crusade, its just hunting a predator.
I've run over skunks, raccoons, squirrels. It wasn't hunting. I didn't get it confused.
Does a deer IN A FENCE care if it gets a knife or bullet? NO. I don't project human characteristics onto animals. When I free one I don't expect a thank you either. Do I know killing one tangled up, shooting ducks on a pond, snagging fish, ground pounding pheasants, isn't exactly sporting, YUP.
I'm sure there are tons of deer tangled in barbwire in Houston, so I don't have your level of education.
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
I've had people PM me too thanking me for my posts. I've even been offered private land for hunting and guided fishing trips by readers. Are you trying to get in some sort of measuring contest here? I find that boring.
However, your ignorance of virtually every subject is overwhelming. At least 25 states have passed, or attempted to pass, so-called "ag-gag" laws which make it illegal to film farming operations. As one lawyer put it, "The goal of these investigations is to expose possible abuse of farmed animals that would otherwise be hidden from the public."
This is purely PR pushed by the farming industry because of the damage that will be done if these videos become widely seen. It has absolutely nothing to do with civil and criminal liability. It is because the people filming the videos were posting them on YouTube in an attempt to influence the public about animal welfare and to shame the farmers, even when no laws were broken or alleged to have been broken. After the ag-gag laws were found unconstitutional, they were changed to require "rapid reporting" of animal abuse. This new type of law is still under judicial review.
For you to come on here and attempt to attack and diminish the ethical fair chase hunting principles that so many of us rely upon in an attempt to justify to yourself your delusion of being a "rolling slaughter machine on a mission to kill" is disgusting to me. And then for you to relate it to hunting is asinine.
There are numerous other hunting forums where the members specifically mention you as the reason they've left MM. The fact that you and I have such contradictory views is heartening to me. I've never felt so emboldened in my morals.
You've identified the type of person you are. Every person that has read this thread will recall your definition of hunting and your perceived duties to the animals we pursue. That is now part of your identity. I've done my part.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
However, your ignorance of virtually every subject is overwhelming. At least 25 states have passed, or attempted to pass, so-called "ag-gag" laws which make it illegal to film farming operations. As one lawyer put it, "The goal of these investigations is to expose possible abuse of farmed animals that would otherwise be hidden from the public."
This is purely PR pushed by the farming industry because of the damage that will be done if these videos become widely seen. It has absolutely nothing to do with civil and criminal liability. It is because the people filming the videos were posting them on YouTube in an attempt to influence the public about animal welfare and to shame the farmers, even when no laws were broken or alleged to have been broken. After the ag-gag laws were found unconstitutional, they were changed to require "rapid reporting" of animal abuse. This new type of law is still under judicial review.
For you to come on here and attempt to attack and diminish the ethical fair chase hunting principles that so many of us rely upon in an attempt to justify to yourself your delusion of being a "rolling slaughter machine on a mission to kill" is disgusting to me. And then for you to relate it to hunting is asinine.
There are numerous other hunting forums where the members specifically mention you as the reason they've left MM. The fact that you and I have such contradictory views is heartening to me. I've never felt so emboldened in my morals.
You've identified the type of person you are. Every person that has read this thread will recall your definition of hunting and your perceived duties to the animals we pursue. That is now part of your identity. I've done my part.
Grizzly
-----------------------------------------
"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
LAST EDITED ON Dec-17-18 AT 05:47PM (MST)[p]Hossblur,
You've never set foot on the places where I kill coyotes. Trust me we make a serious dent. Just because you tuck tail and ran doesn't mean we have to.
I like how you have experience freeing deer from fences. Since you do then every persons experience must be exactly like yours. And everyone must behave just like you. Then maybe you and grizzly will welcome these people in the crap don't stink club.
Hunting and KILLING in my state isn't decided by balots.
I'll keep educating you on lots of things because someone forgot to teach you when you were growing up. Kind of like how you like to hurt women.
You've never set foot on the places where I kill coyotes. Trust me we make a serious dent. Just because you tuck tail and ran doesn't mean we have to.
I like how you have experience freeing deer from fences. Since you do then every persons experience must be exactly like yours. And everyone must behave just like you. Then maybe you and grizzly will welcome these people in the crap don't stink club.
Hunting and KILLING in my state isn't decided by balots.
I'll keep educating you on lots of things because someone forgot to teach you when you were growing up. Kind of like how you like to hurt women.
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Your jumping and grasping at straws Grizzly. I showed you and everyone else how you are dishonast and you immediately start talking about standing on your morals. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
You can't even be honest about what I say. You say I attack fair chase hunting principals. I NEVER DID. not once. I don't have the slightest problem if that's how you want to hunt. Show me where I told you that you shouldn't be allowed to hunt "fair chase" and I'll leave this website forever. YOU WON'T BECAUSE YOU AREN'T HONEST. YOU AREN'T AN HONEST PERSON.
Like I said. This is your hobby. For me and others it's livelihood. Your all emotional about what you believe. I'm logical about what I know.
By the way most of those ag-gag laws are about civil and criminal liability. Much of the push behind those laws has been because of the labor laws that get broken on farms and ranches. Especially with illegal labor.
Grizzly I'll ask you another straight question which you don't have the guts to answer like the last two.
What do you do for a living?
Your jumping and grasping at straws Grizzly. I showed you and everyone else how you are dishonast and you immediately start talking about standing on your morals. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
You can't even be honest about what I say. You say I attack fair chase hunting principals. I NEVER DID. not once. I don't have the slightest problem if that's how you want to hunt. Show me where I told you that you shouldn't be allowed to hunt "fair chase" and I'll leave this website forever. YOU WON'T BECAUSE YOU AREN'T HONEST. YOU AREN'T AN HONEST PERSON.
Like I said. This is your hobby. For me and others it's livelihood. Your all emotional about what you believe. I'm logical about what I know.
By the way most of those ag-gag laws are about civil and criminal liability. Much of the push behind those laws has been because of the labor laws that get broken on farms and ranches. Especially with illegal labor.
Grizzly I'll ask you another straight question which you don't have the guts to answer like the last two.
What do you do for a living?
Captain_coues
Very Active Member
- Messages
- 1,449
This sort of reminds me of a thread I read here a few years ago. A person posted about a hunt he and a friend were planning in a wilderness area. The plan was to have a goat pack in some of their equipment. Once they have everything set up, they would eat the goat. Some said that it was cold hearted and didn't sound right. The funny part was that someone suggested that a nanny would serve a third purpose. The OP even offered to trade info for a Wyoming unit for help/suggestions. It was funny as hell.
Vanilla
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 4,554
?I've had people PM me too thanking me for my posts. I've even been offered private land for hunting and guided fishing trips by readers. Are you trying to get in some sort of measuring contest here? I find that boring.? -Grizz
Clearly, since you pulled out the ruler.
And my post above was in jest, genius. Keep being you, though.
Clearly, since you pulled out the ruler.
And my post above was in jest, genius. Keep being you, though.
hossblur
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 10,500
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-17-18
>AT 05:47?PM (MST)
>
>Hossblur,
>
>You've never set foot on the
>places where I kill coyotes.
> Trust me we make
>a serious dent. Just
>because you tuck tail and
>ran doesn't mean we have
>to.
>
>I like how you have experience
>freeing deer from fences.
>Since you do then every
>persons experience must be exactly
>like yours. And everyone
>must behave just like you.
> Then maybe you and
>grizzly will welcome these people
>in the crap don't stink
>club.
>
>Hunting and KILLING in my state
>isn't decided by balots.
>
>I'll keep educating you on lots
>of things because someone forgot
>to teach you when you
>were growing up. Kind
>of like how you like
>to hurt women.
You should Google Fredrick Knowlton, Utah State University, include the phrase "responsive reproduction", then come back and tell us all how the "slaughterhouse on wheels" is actually EXPANDING coyote populations and population densities. Seems folks "who make a living" ACTUALLY knowing something think your "dent" is once again INCORRECT.
But you are the man, as usual. And as usual no matter how outright stupid you prove yourself to be, you will keep yapping. Facts, science, proof by damned, some dude in Texas knows better.
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
>AT 05:47?PM (MST)
>
>Hossblur,
>
>You've never set foot on the
>places where I kill coyotes.
> Trust me we make
>a serious dent. Just
>because you tuck tail and
>ran doesn't mean we have
>to.
>
>I like how you have experience
>freeing deer from fences.
>Since you do then every
>persons experience must be exactly
>like yours. And everyone
>must behave just like you.
> Then maybe you and
>grizzly will welcome these people
>in the crap don't stink
>club.
>
>Hunting and KILLING in my state
>isn't decided by balots.
>
>I'll keep educating you on lots
>of things because someone forgot
>to teach you when you
>were growing up. Kind
>of like how you like
>to hurt women.
You should Google Fredrick Knowlton, Utah State University, include the phrase "responsive reproduction", then come back and tell us all how the "slaughterhouse on wheels" is actually EXPANDING coyote populations and population densities. Seems folks "who make a living" ACTUALLY knowing something think your "dent" is once again INCORRECT.
But you are the man, as usual. And as usual no matter how outright stupid you prove yourself to be, you will keep yapping. Facts, science, proof by damned, some dude in Texas knows better.
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
You and your buddies Google and Frederick should have lived in West Texas during the mohair days. There wasn't a coyote from Austin to El paso.
Probably because they weren't indigenous there and I expanded their range over there by pushing them out of the panhandle.
Talk all you want about some dufus you read about in Google. Some of us city boys lived through it and saw it with our own eyes.
Probably because they weren't indigenous there and I expanded their range over there by pushing them out of the panhandle.
Talk all you want about some dufus you read about in Google. Some of us city boys lived through it and saw it with our own eyes.
hossblur
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 10,500
>You and your buddies Google and
>Frederick should have lived in
>West Texas during the mohair
>days. There wasn't a
>coyote from Austin to El
>paso.
>
>Probably because they weren't indigenous there
>and I expanded their range
>over there by pushing them
>out of the panhandle.
>
>
>Talk all you want about some
>dufus you read about in
>Google. Some of us
>city boys lived through it
>and saw it with our
>own eyes.
What you seeing now? They've expanded across the whole country. Good job man!!
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
>Frederick should have lived in
>West Texas during the mohair
>days. There wasn't a
>coyote from Austin to El
>paso.
>
>Probably because they weren't indigenous there
>and I expanded their range
>over there by pushing them
>out of the panhandle.
>
>
>Talk all you want about some
>dufus you read about in
>Google. Some of us
>city boys lived through it
>and saw it with our
>own eyes.
What you seeing now? They've expanded across the whole country. Good job man!!
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
an old rancher slit the throat of a small buck caught in a fence, placed his tag on it and went home. ask him why and he said most of the deer he frees from fences are crippled after. said he had a tag and thought that it was the most ethical thing he could do. he filled his tag in a way he would have rather not filled it. the old guy hunts big bucks, but did what he thought was right.
some people ride around on high horses and claim moral superiority. while another might see it from a different angle.
not cure who could read the whole article of bias but the video is what is wrong with the new age of hunters mentality
some people ride around on high horses and claim moral superiority. while another might see it from a different angle.
not cure who could read the whole article of bias but the video is what is wrong with the new age of hunters mentality
Homer
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 14,208
Then this....
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cinder...-washington-california-idaho-rich-beausoleil/
GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans -- when they're dead...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cinder...-washington-california-idaho-rich-beausoleil/
GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans -- when they're dead...
shotgunjim
Active Member
- Messages
- 967
"I am a rolling slaughter machine on a mission to kill,"
What a F-ing clown.
Why do you guys even respond to this idiot?
What a F-ing clown.
Why do you guys even respond to this idiot?
grizzly
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 5,592
^^2_point, I totally understand what you're saying. I once had to put a doe down that had been hit by a truck and had a broken back. I felt it was the most ethical way to handle it.
With that said, a bullet to the head is always going to be more palatable than a slit throat, and I would never confuse either of those with hunting. I would also never post the video online as I took no joy in my actions and there is virtually no good that would come of the video.
What some people don't understand is the battle to defend hunting rights isn't checkers. It's chess. Every move we make is one that needs to be examined through the lens of potential weaknesses that will be exploited by those trying to stop hunting. The last thing we should be doing is being the ones filming the parts of killing animals that will then be used against us.
This world is changing. In 1984, Reagan won 49 states including California and New York. In 2003, California elected Arnold as a Republican Governor and re-elected him in 2006. The thought of a Republican winning California today is laughable. Now Texas just reelected a sitting Republican Senator by only 220,000 votes out of 8,300,000. At the current rate, states like Texas will soon by Democratic. New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado were once Republican; they are now battleground states, or even leaning Democratic. We can't hold onto hunting, a sport shared by 4% of the population, by being labeled as hillbillies running over animals on snow machines and slitting throats of caged deer.
The hunter does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, he kills in order to have hunted.
Grizzly
With that said, a bullet to the head is always going to be more palatable than a slit throat, and I would never confuse either of those with hunting. I would also never post the video online as I took no joy in my actions and there is virtually no good that would come of the video.
What some people don't understand is the battle to defend hunting rights isn't checkers. It's chess. Every move we make is one that needs to be examined through the lens of potential weaknesses that will be exploited by those trying to stop hunting. The last thing we should be doing is being the ones filming the parts of killing animals that will then be used against us.
This world is changing. In 1984, Reagan won 49 states including California and New York. In 2003, California elected Arnold as a Republican Governor and re-elected him in 2006. The thought of a Republican winning California today is laughable. Now Texas just reelected a sitting Republican Senator by only 220,000 votes out of 8,300,000. At the current rate, states like Texas will soon by Democratic. New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado were once Republican; they are now battleground states, or even leaning Democratic. We can't hold onto hunting, a sport shared by 4% of the population, by being labeled as hillbillies running over animals on snow machines and slitting throats of caged deer.
The hunter does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, he kills in order to have hunted.
Grizzly
Tristate
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 8,848
Well you ain't going to hold onto hunting by being dishonest and kissing the backsides of those people either.
I guess you can just go ahead and take up golf Grizzly. I am going to shoot coyotes out of helicopters, trap them, beat them with a club while a greyhound holds them by the nose, and run them over with a buggy. I won't be using a snow mobile. They don't run all that good down here.
Then I am going to cut some deer throats. I am going to teach some kids how to cut some deer throats. Eventually I will tell them to cut some deer throats. We are still going to jerk the heads off of wounded birds. We are going to kill hundreds of pigs by any means we can. Hopefully with poison soon to. Then we will pile them up and waste the coyotes that come in to eat them. Maybe we will put a tanerite charge in the middle of the stinking rotting pigs and shoot it when there's 20 coyotes crawling all over the pile. I think I'll put that one on the internet.
Grizzly, You keep on hanging out with Rosie O and making sure she likes you. When that rat gets in your house be sure and explain to your Mrs that you have to keep the doors open on the house until you kill it with a firearm so that the rat knows your a fair chase hunter. Make sure your kids think that their hamburger was sung to death by a mystical fairy that waved a magic wand and made the cows turn into hamburger. Why not? You aren't honest with anybody else because you are to yellow to hurt their feelings.
MOST IMPORTANTLY MY KIDS ARE GOING TO LEARN THAT PAYING SOMEONE TO CUT AN ANIMAL'S THROAT IS THE SAME AS CUTTING AN ANIMAL'S THROAT YOURSELF. The money paid doesn't keep blood off your hands.
I guess you can just go ahead and take up golf Grizzly. I am going to shoot coyotes out of helicopters, trap them, beat them with a club while a greyhound holds them by the nose, and run them over with a buggy. I won't be using a snow mobile. They don't run all that good down here.
Then I am going to cut some deer throats. I am going to teach some kids how to cut some deer throats. Eventually I will tell them to cut some deer throats. We are still going to jerk the heads off of wounded birds. We are going to kill hundreds of pigs by any means we can. Hopefully with poison soon to. Then we will pile them up and waste the coyotes that come in to eat them. Maybe we will put a tanerite charge in the middle of the stinking rotting pigs and shoot it when there's 20 coyotes crawling all over the pile. I think I'll put that one on the internet.
Grizzly, You keep on hanging out with Rosie O and making sure she likes you. When that rat gets in your house be sure and explain to your Mrs that you have to keep the doors open on the house until you kill it with a firearm so that the rat knows your a fair chase hunter. Make sure your kids think that their hamburger was sung to death by a mystical fairy that waved a magic wand and made the cows turn into hamburger. Why not? You aren't honest with anybody else because you are to yellow to hurt their feelings.
MOST IMPORTANTLY MY KIDS ARE GOING TO LEARN THAT PAYING SOMEONE TO CUT AN ANIMAL'S THROAT IS THE SAME AS CUTTING AN ANIMAL'S THROAT YOURSELF. The money paid doesn't keep blood off your hands.
hossblur
Long Time Member
- Messages
- 10,500
Only thing I ask is post a BLAAAAAAMMMM pic of your coyote slaughter complete with Texas stickers on your gun.
Who knew there were so many pigs and dogs running downtown Houston.
Get on with your bad self. Set up shooting positions on your high fence, while your doing it.
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
Who knew there were so many pigs and dogs running downtown Houston.
Get on with your bad self. Set up shooting positions on your high fence, while your doing it.
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
