Antelope island sheep/

That's to bad,they are dying all over the state the Book cliff herd is in bad shape and the Nine mile herd is dying.And here I am with 23 points.That's just my luck.
 
WTH... It's really getting complicated to sustain game.

"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."
 
I've never understood why they don't issue tags to those that apply for a unit and let the tag holders harvest the Sheep instead of just having the DWR shooters go out and kill them all.


Robb
 
>I've never understood why they don't
>issue tags to those that
>apply for a unit and
>let the tag holders harvest
>the Sheep instead of just
>having the DWR shooters go
>out and kill them all.
>
>
>
>Robb


I Agree Robb!

And I Don't even Hunt Sheep!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>I've never understood why they don't
>issue tags to those that
>apply for a unit and
>let the tag holders harvest
>the Sheep instead of just
>having the DWR shooters go
>out and kill them all.
>
>
>
>Robb


+1!!
 
I agree on the tags instead of snipers.


But wow. If this herd can get sick, it really is an eye opener on just how fragile this animal is. Beyond hunting, and probably heading to ESA territory in my lifetime.

Bird droppings? How else could they get it?


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
20 years ago maybe,With this sue happy world we live in these days way to much liability.They will dig a hole and burn them what a waste.
 
Hoss the island is no longer an island. Totally feasible for a ram to wonder off and contact a domestic sheep on the edge of layton/farmington.
 
>I agree on the tags instead
>of snipers.
>
>
>But wow. If this herd
>can get sick, it really
>is an eye opener on
>just how fragile this animal
>is. Beyond hunting, and
>probably heading to ESA territory
>in my lifetime.
>
>Bird droppings? How else could
>they get it?
>
>
>From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN,
>PUBLIC LAND.

There are dozens of horses on there just about every time I've been there. Could it come in the feed/droppings from the horses?

Grizzly

-----------------------------------------
"This is a classic case of a handful of greedy fly fishermen getting too greedy." -Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as told to KUTV

"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
>I've never understood why they don't
>issue tags to those that
>apply for a unit and
>let the tag holders harvest
>the Sheep instead of just
>having the DWR shooters go
>out and kill them all.
>
>
>
>Robb


Robb, I thought the DWR had proposed doing what you just stated within the last year or two after the Stansbury die off...

I'll see if I can find the article...
 
>I've never understood why they don't
>issue tags to those that
>apply for a unit and
>let the tag holders harvest
>the Sheep instead of just
>having the DWR shooters go
>out and kill them all.
>
>
>
>Robb

^^^^^ this is all true Robb!!!
They could hold a quick drawing and let the wipe-out begin.
I'd be happy to even take a ewe tag and have the critter mounted on my wall next to my Bighorn rams.

Zeke
#livelikezac
 
They said there was only one mature ram and they didn't think he would last long enough to get a hunter out to him. The others are young sheep. It's a shame they couldn't see this coming a little earlier to get a little help from the hunting community.
 
I told my 13 yr old about it. He has 2 points. He asked if he should think about a different OIL with sheep being so shaky all the time.

Told him I would get him some articles so he had an educated idea.

What are you guys going to do. Does it change your thoughts, especially guys with not many points. I assume 20 or more you ride them.





From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
I'm not sure what I'm going to do like I said earlier I have 23 points and can draw.Im not a spring chicken anymore I'm almost 59 years old and waited a long time for this tag.The guides and people I've talked to said that it will take 5 to 7 years to come back and start seeing 180 class rams again in the Books and range creek. I just might have to mentor my points to one of my boys or grandchildren.
 
That's kind of what I was saying to him. I'd hate for him to spend 30 years, only to have sheep in such bad shape, they aren't huntable.

I'm not a sheep guy, but its pretty heartbreaking. I know a lot went into and came out of that herd. I know $fw spent money and time and it sucks for them that it turned bad(yes I seperate leadership from the average dudes).


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
I think the source of the disease came from a Ram that wandered on to the mainland looking for ewes, contacted some domestic sheep, became infected, and then brought it back. The most likely source of the disease is domestic sheep and goats. I've never heard of horses carrying the strains that kill sheep.
As far as what to do with sheep points, I think it really depends on what OIL species you really want to hunt. If a person is waiting for a 180" ram, then maybe they've been applying in the wrong state. Utah rarely produces those numbers but I believe any mature ram is a rare trophy indeed. Many guys won't put in for the Cali Rams on the Newfies, Oakcreek, and Stansbury, because they have smaller horns. But they are Still Rocky Mountain Bighorns and I'd be glad for an opportunity to hunt one.
I was the last person in my point pool to draw a Desert Bighorn tag and I watched units go up and down because of disease, but 40 years of waiting finally paid off for me.
So IMO, if you want to hunt a Rocky Ram, stick with it. Unless you have deep pockets, there probably isn't a more likely way to pick up a tag.
 
>I think the source of the
>disease came from a Ram
>that wandered on to the
>mainland looking for ewes, contacted
>some domestic sheep, became infected,
>and then brought it back.

I'll be the first to say it, "We need to build a wall! And Nevada is going to pay for it!" ;-)
 
The south Book cliff unit which used to be the rattle snake unit produced a lot of high 170 and 180 class rams 10 to 15 years ago and the tribe killed a 192 which is the same herd. I know the quality is there it's just how long do i wait for them to come back if it ever does is the question.
 
arns,
Just talking the numbers I can find, " a lot of high 170 and 180 class rams", equals about 5 percent of all Utah Rocky Rams harvested. According to the latest edition of the Utah Big Game Records Book, there have only been 25 rams out of approximately 500 Rocky Mountain Bighorn tags issued in Utah, recording a harvest score above 176. High scoring rams were certainly more plentiful 10-15 years ago but never in large numbers, and waiting for a tag that gives you the likelihood of taking a ram of that size, seems like a tall order to me. Also given the high demand for tags, I can't see the Utah herds ever being managed for quality vs. quantity.
Things could certainly cycle up in 5-7 years, but no one really knows for sure. I caught a lucky up-tick in desert sheep quality when I finally drew my tag after 40+ years of trying, but I would have also been happy with a smaller ram.
I wish you well with your 23 pts and when you do cash in, I hope you find a gagger!

The whole disease issue with wild sheep drives all of us crazy! I wish we could find a cure, but in the mean time we just have to play the game as it is.
 
Boy I'm sorry to here about the Utah sheep, it sounds like several herds are in trouble. That is a tough one to swallow for the hunters that are waiting with a lot of points. Hopefully they can figure out where the decease came from before dumping more sheep on the salt block
 
>The south Book cliff unit which
>used to be the rattle
>snake unit produced a lot
>of high 170 and 180
>class rams 10 to 15
>years ago and the tribe
>killed a 192 which is
>the same herd. I know
>the quality is there it's
>just how long do i
>wait for them to come
>back if it ever does
>is the question.


Hey Arns!

Let's take your 23 Sheep Points & My 23 Elk Points & Combine them!

They're not Worth Much more than Ass Wipe Now!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Thanks littlebighorn for your input. I think I will wait a couple of years and see what happens.There is no use wasting my points at my age now because I will never draw another OIL tag.
 
>>I've never understood why they don't
>>issue tags to those that
>>apply for a unit and
>>let the tag holders harvest
>>the Sheep instead of just
>>having the DWR shooters go
>>out and kill them all.
>>
>>
>>
>>Robb
>
>
>Robb, I thought the DWR had
>proposed doing what you just
>stated within the last year
>or two after the Stansbury
>die off...
>
>I'll see if I can find
>the article...

Well I must have been dreaming because I cannot find the article...
 
I think it is weird that no where can I find the name of the disease/organism causing this problem. They just call it a "respiratory" disease and say there is not treatment or vaccine. Would be curious if anyone has heard the name of the ailment.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-19 AT 12:57PM (MST)[p]

"Pneumonia" I know, but that gives no insight into the actual diagnosis of the organism(s) causing this.

This article seems to shed some light that they really don't know exactly the whole story:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/3/11-1554_article

Looks like the most likely culprit is Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae. This condition can be subclinical and somewhat treatable in domestic sheep, so I have to assume that wild sheep don't have the inherent resistance that domestic sheep have

BTW, I am a veterinarian

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
tada.......

"wild sheep don't have the inherent resistance that domestic sheep have"



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GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans -- when they're dead...
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-19
>AT 12:57?PM (MST)
>
>
>
>"Pneumonia" I know, but that gives
>no insight into the actual
>diagnosis of the organism(s) causing
>this.
>
>This article seems to shed some
>light that they really don't
>know exactly the whole story:
>
>
>https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/3/11-1554_article
>
>Looks like the most likely culprit
>is Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae. This condition
>can be subclinical and somewhat
>treatable in domestic sheep, so
>I have to assume that
>wild sheep don't have the
>inherent resistance that domestic sheep
>have
>
>BTW, I am a veterinarian
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)


You have it right. Most likely M ovi. Its the scourge of bighorns throughout the west.
 

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