Brian Call Podcast on SFW/Expo

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Just listened to a podcast of Brian's in regards to the hunt expo. I was surprised to hear his thoughts and opinions in support of SFW. Money was the main topic of discussion and nothing mentioned about the tags being pulled out of the public draw to be auctioned to the highest bidder. Nothing against Brian, but enjoying his work in the past I was surprised at his opinion on this anybody else?
 
Just seems contrary to what his stance typically is? Maybe working with MTN OPS has swayed his opinion? Maybe I misread him from the beginning? I just hope we dont get to a point where I can't take my kids hunting and it becomes privatized or only for the elite. Sure is headed that way, and more and more seem ok with it. Apparently Tikka is ok with it.
 
>If it becomes a rich man's
>game one day, I think
>a lot of the "king's
>deer" will get shot anyway...
>



If it becomes a rich man's
>game one day

If Huh?







I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-19 AT 12:44PM (MST)[p]Amen to that. SFW continue to take and cater to the high dollar population. Many people contribute to their non sense without even knowing. I'm hoping this is where Brian is, not realizing what is really happening with the SFW model. He states that RMEF is the gold standard of conservation, but seems to support SFW? He fails to share facts that SFW has taken thousands of opportunities over the years out of the public draw pool. It's one of the ultimate ponzi schemes robbing the average Joe of opportunity.
 
I listened to it and he clearly didn't even know what he was talking about. Quickly he mentioned 100 tags instead of 200. A lot of rambling. His brother drives me nuts and would be better to serve Brian by being his water boy.

Their discussion was unfortunate as they repeatedly mentioned that they were looking for a smoking gun.

I have always seen eye to eye with him in regards to his stance on public lands and followed him for that reason.
But clearly he hasn't done much looking into this topic.





"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-19 AT 02:04PM (MST)[p]Bocephus
Is it the fact SFW are auctioning off tags or raffling off tags that bother you? or both?
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-19 AT 03:13PM (MST)[p]It's the fact that the tags are being pulled out of the public draw to be sold to the highest bidder, then the spending of the funds is not made public when asked where the money goes. Ultimately what bothers me the most is how opinions are swayed and changed when money is a factor. This is exactly what happened with SFW it was initially a decent program, but when the amount of money to be made was realized it became corrupt. I dont support anyone or any program that pulls an opportunity from the public to be sold for money then not accounted for. In Brian's case he is now working for/with one of the biggest supporters of the expo, which supports SFW in Mtn Ops.....funny how he is now seemingly supporting SFW who in essence is screwing the blue collar guy that doesn't have or doesnt want to spend the money to buy an auction tag. I would suspect that is a large percentage of Gritty Bowmens audience. That is what surprises me the most Brian changing his tune towards the issue.
 
I listened to it too, it was pretty clear that Brian doesn't know the back history on the topic.

I think we need to give him the benefit of the dought, he wasn?t necessarily for sfw but was playing a neutral. Give him time to hear more discussion on it.

Each and everyone has their opinion on this topic. I really don't know if the accusations against SFW are true and I certainly don't believe SFW is totally transparent either.
 
I might be wrong but from what I understand the auction tags they have to spend 90% of the money on helping wildlife and it is accounted for but the raffle ticket money it is different if i remember that is 30% and not as much scrutiny on accountability as the auction tags. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
If the SFW made one Penny off of each applicant somebody would still Whine!










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>Bess not sure you have a
>leg to stand on when
>it comes to whining?


You mean Saying it the way it is?








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
So are you an advocate of Peay now since he shook your hand? Meanwhile he auctions off your San Juan elk tag you cant draw while you sit and watch?
 
I Never Said I Agree with everything the SFW does!

Never Have!

Never Will!








I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-19 AT 07:36PM (MST)[p]Stop all this crazy talk. SFW saved the deer and they release pheasants. Halaluja for SFW and all they do!!!!!!

Rich
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-19
>AT 07:36?PM (MST)

>
>Stop all this crazy talk. SFW
>saved the deer and they
>release pheasants. Halaluja for SFW
>and all they do!!!!!!
>
>Rich

Somebody better Plant Pheasants in this State!

I Don't see anybody-else planting any!









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>Just seems contrary to what his
>stance typically is? Maybe working
>with MTN OPS has swayed
>his opinion? Maybe I misread
>him from the beginning? I
>just hope we dont get
>to a point where I
>can't take my kids hunting
>and it becomes privatized or
>only for the elite. Sure
>is headed that way, and
>more and more seem ok
>with it. Apparently Tikka is
>ok with it.

No Bocephus, I'm ok with privatization of hunting... But I get awful tired of guys complaining to complain...
And the all out assault from folks like you if someone else doesn't agree with what ?you? feel is right or wrong!
 
I listened. He apparently read a newspaper article. He must of taken a ton of heat after expo 1.0 podcast to do another. Unfortunately he was nearly clueless as to what the actual issues are, and the "evidence"(he kept saying he couldn't find any).

I sent him an email. Corrected his 100 tag mistake, and offered him up names of guys who he could talk with about "evidence".

I told him if he was confused, Newberg was his friend perhaps they should chat this weekend.

Still waiting for a reply.

Seems he pretty much phoned that one in, he did zero actual research, and had zero in actual info.


From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-19 AT 08:52PM (MST)[p]Hoss thanks for the input. Like I've mentioned I like Brian and his content that's why I was surprised by this. There are many who are chameleons and have no stance on it. My only point to bringing this to light here is to continue to shed light on the facts of the SFW model. If the majority of sportsman are ok with it, then me and guys like me will deal with it. I'm done with it at this point and it's been good debate to kill a Sunday with 3 sick kids! Take care
 
>Interesting you are ok with privatizing
>hunting. Makes sense


I should have proof read my post before submitting it. It should have been ?I'm not ok with privatization of hunting?

But you can hold onto that if you want...
 
Tikka you should know by now you are not allowed to make a mistake. Just razzing you.
There is obliviously alot of hunters who enjoy the expo and what it offers.
I am still trying to figure out why it is ok for one organization to auction tags but not another.
 
>I am still trying to figure
>out why it is ok
>for one organization to auction
>tags but not another.


Others may get big dollars out of them at their banquets, however, I've been to some of them and from the auctioneer to the quantity of items it's hard to beat Bair as he is arguably the most entertaining auctioneer out there.

My thought is that SFW, Full Curl, MDF, Biggame forever, etc all as one kinda thing with Peay and Bair squeegeeing money out of every big dollar guy the states feel they are going to bring the most money.

I attended a small orgs banquet a few years back. They had one elk tag from the Utah DWR to auction off and it was laughable, almost embarrassing to watch. The whole thing was a joke.

If these tags are appropriated for auction then it's hard to argue SFW not being the best org to raise the most money.

If you guys feel RMEF could have gotten $330,000 for that Az Strip tag Saturday night then maybe they have the draw to pull that kind of money but I don't think they could have. JMO
 
I feel like those tags could be on an online auction run by the UDWR and would draw that. Remember, $fw gets its cut so none of those amounts are all profit.


But. They won the game. They loaded the deck, and locked it down for quite a awhile into the future. Is sideliners are just left being sideliners.




From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 

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