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Huntelk
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Nov-14-16, 
11:08 AM (MST)
"Is this a legal management buck?"

I saw this buck on social media and they said it was a management buck. Looks like a 4x4 to me. What do you think?

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: Is this a ...  6x7      Nov-14-16   1 
  RE: Is this a ...  Muley_73      Nov-14-16   2 
   RE: Is this a ...  Buccsboy55      Nov-14-16   3 
   RE: Is this a ...  mntman      Nov-14-16   4 
    RE: Is this a ...  DoubleDropM...      Nov-14-16   5 
     RE: Is this a ...  patxarano      Nov-14-16   6 
      RE: Is this a ...  hornkiller      Nov-14-16   7 
      RE: Is this a ...  RoadlessHun...      Nov-14-16   8 
 RE: Is this a ...  Goindeep      Nov-14-16   9 
  RE: Is this a ...  desertpoint...      Nov-14-16   10 
   RE: Is this a ...  goforbroke      Nov-14-16   11 
    RE: Is this a ...  Homer      Nov-14-16   12 
 RE: Is this a ...  Huntelk      Nov-14-16   13 
  RE: Is this a ...  Homer      Nov-14-16   14 
  RE: Is this a ...  RoadlessHun...      Nov-14-16   15 
   RE: Is this a ...  Muley_73      Nov-14-16   16 
    RE: Is this a ...  RoadlessHun...      Nov-14-16   17 
     RE: Is this a ...  Muley_73      Nov-15-16   18 
      RE: Is this a ...  bowhunt      Nov-15-16   19 
       RE: Is this a ...  Huntelk      Nov-15-16   21 
 RE: Is this a ...  BrowningRage      Nov-15-16   20 
  RE: Is this a ...  NVBighorn      Nov-15-16   22 
 RE: Is this a ...  pookiebar      Nov-15-16   23 
  RE: Is this a ...  Cheater      Nov-15-16   24 
 RE: Is this a ...  Huntelk      Nov-16-16   25 
 RE: Is this a ...  YoteSmoker14      Nov-19-16   26 
  RE: Is this a ...  swbuckmaster      Nov-21-16   27 
   RE: Is this a ...  TineMaster      Nov-21-16   28 
    RE: Is this a ...  Vanilla      Nov-22-16   29 

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6x7
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Nov-14-16, 
11:24 AM (MST)
1. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

If that main beam is broke its not legal if it's just deformed it is as long as it's not over 1 inch

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Muley_73
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Nov-14-16, 
11:40 AM (MST)
2. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-16 AT 11:42 AM (MST)

It is a managment if it is less than an inch regardless of if it's broke or deformed. It doesn't matter legally either way. All management Bucks have to be check with the Division....so regardless of what we all think I'd say it's legal.

It looks legal to me, but I'd have probably had the local CO give me the head nod before I pulled the trigger.

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Nov-14-16, 
02:32 PM (MST)
3. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

Who ever shot it better hope so if u had questions you shouldn't of shot

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mntman
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Nov-14-16, 
03:25 PM (MST)
4. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

>LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-16
>AT 11:42 AM (MST)

>
>It is a managment if it
>is less than an inch
>regardless of if it's broke
>or deformed. It doesn't matter
>legally either way. All
>management Bucks have to be
>check with the Division....so regardless
>of what we all think
>I'd say it's legal.
>
>It looks legal to me, but
>I'd have probably had the
>local CO give me the
>head nod before I pulled
>the trigger.

+1
just because you can hang a "ring" on a point doesn't make it a "legal" point. It has to be 1" long, to measure a point you follow the beam/tine through and then measure from that point to tip of point. If not a inch not a legal point.
Mntman

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DoubleDropMuley
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Nov-14-16, 
04:07 PM (MST)
5. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

The point in question looks to be main beam so it's at least 15" lol.

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patxarano
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Nov-14-16, 
07:07 PM (MST)
6. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

Great observation DoubleDrop......I agree.

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hornkiller
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Nov-14-16, 
07:22 PM (MST)
7. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

Call wlh they will get ya out of it!

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RoadlessHunter
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Nov-14-16, 
07:25 PM (MST)
8. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

The 4th point looks longer than 1 inch, but it's a hard angle to determine the length.

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Goindeep
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Nov-14-16, 
08:00 PM (MST)
9. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

Not a management buck by utah's definition. That point is easily 1 inch.

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desertpointbrian
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Nov-14-16, 
09:26 PM (MST)
10. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

No way I would have shot with a management tag

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Nov-14-16, 
09:30 PM (MST)
11. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

I'd say NOT legal

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Homer
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Nov-14-16, 
09:57 PM (MST)
12. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-16 AT 09:57 PM (MST)

was it a state management rule????.....or a private property management buck discount???.....I could see a private property game manager calling that buck management with the weak fronts.....

I'm not a "management buck" fan anywhere

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Huntelk
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Nov-14-16, 
09:58 PM (MST)
13. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

It was a Henry's "management buck"

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Homer
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Nov-14-16, 
10:05 PM (MST)
14. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

ouch....in more ways than 1 then

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RoadlessHunter
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Nov-14-16, 
10:13 PM (MST)
15. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

The Utah unit that needs a management hunt is the San Juan Elk Ridge. 95% of the bucks on that unit are management bucks.

For the Henry mountains this is a management buck even being a 4x4.

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Muley_73
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Nov-14-16, 
10:29 PM (MST)
16. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

I believe that all managment bucks must be checked by the Division after they are shot. It's only a guess but I'm gonna say if they are posting pics of it then yes it was a legal kill. But hey that won't stop the MM court from holding session.

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RoadlessHunter
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Nov-14-16, 
10:59 PM (MST)
17. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

Or they let this one slide or got pre approval or called the DWR offices in Price.

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Muley_73
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Nov-15-16, 
07:10 AM (MST)
18. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

You guys do understand why they have a "managment" hunt on the Henrys and Pauns.....correct???

That buck is close I won't disagree, but if it was checked and deemed legal then it's legal and and congrats to the hunter.

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Nov-15-16, 
09:25 AM (MST)
19. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

He made a call to a Fish and Game office in Logan before he shot this animal.
The office told him it was ok to shoot this buck, so he is fine.
I could not resist.

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Huntelk
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Nov-15-16, 
09:32 AM (MST)
21. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

It was not a He that shot it @bowhunt

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Nov-15-16, 
09:28 AM (MST)
20. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

I have to agree that this buck was likely checked by the DWR and must have passed.

If I was looking at it, I wouldn't shoot it. I don't think it LOOKS like it meets the definition.

Plus, this is just a young buck that hasn't grown up yet. I saw a couple bruiser management bucks in 2014 when I visited the Henry's... Glad the hunter got one they wanted though...

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Nov-15-16, 
10:19 AM (MST)
22. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

If it's a management tag but the hunter shoots a buck that isn't legal does that make it a mismanagement buck?

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Nov-15-16, 
10:35 AM (MST)
23. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

Once again we see the dangers of posting stuff on the internet. A bunch of lazy-boy quarter backs picking apart a photo.

I would say that is a management buck. Zooming in the point in question looks really palmed out so it probably would measure less then 1 inch. If I were a LEO asked the question I would still say it's a management buck if the point is slightly over 1 inch because frankly we wouldn't want it successfully breeding. You risk turning the Henry's into the Books Cliffs with crabbed out four points. Just my $.02

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Nov-15-16, 
02:23 PM (MST)
24. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

Technically/legally speaking, that doesn't look like a management buck. From a genetics standpoint, yeah that's a management buck (especially on the Henry's).

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Huntelk
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Nov-16-16, 
10:53 PM (MST)
25. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

Its to close to call and I wouldn't shoot it. A management buck is a three point gene. This still has the four point gene

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Nov-19-16, 
03:38 AM (MST)
26. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

By definition I would say yes it is a management buck... but I would have to agree that it is not a true management buck. We hunted the unit in 2014 on a management hunt and I only truly saw 4-5 bucks that were harvested that I would classify as true management bucks.

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swbuckmaster
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Nov-21-16, 
00:41 AM (MST)
27. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

management buck! Get it out of the gene pool! Don't fret the small stuff

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TineMaster
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Nov-21-16, 
03:31 PM (MST)
28. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

I don't know the full story but I'm from New Mexico and on the antelope hunts theres a lot of controversy between what is legal and what is not.

In NM the horn has to be taller than the ears to be a mature buck. Ive seen a countless number of times when the buck was clearly not legal and the game warden gave them a break because it was viewed as a learning experience since it was close. Why anyone would shoot a buck that small in the antelope rich NM is beyond me but Ive seen it many times. So I don't judge what is and isn't legal when I see someone post their success because I don't know the whole story.

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Vanilla
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Nov-22-16, 
09:04 AM (MST)
29. "RE: Is this a legal management buck?"

A picture of a buck was posted, and the person asked if we thought it was a management buck or not. If I was asked to determine if this was a management buck under Utah law, I'd say probably not, but it's impossible to say without actually measuring that one point. You can see the legal definition in the link below. Whether a LEO cleared the buck or not, I do not know. And it really doesn't matter for me in regards to the original question.

This buck would be too close for comfort if I had the tag. I would have passed, worrying that because I'm just a knucklehead that doesn't do squat but buy my $25 tag, I would not get the same blind eye turned that those super conservationists that pay big money do.

It might be less than an inch. It appears to be longer, but no way to know without a tape measure on it. A management tag would be a lot of fun, but stressful. I'm sure there are an awful lot of "very close calls" running around out there.

https://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting/managementBuck/ManagementBuckOrientationInfo.pdf

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