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BigB62
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Jan-01-17, 
12:47 PM (MST)
"Next World record"

Just wondering if any of you other mule deer freak's out there think the Burris buck killed in the early 70's will be beaten someday. What state ? This record has stood for 45 year's maybe it won't ever be broke. Your thought's?

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 RE: Next World...  headshot05      Jan-01-17   1 
  RE: Next World...  HiMtnHntr      Jan-01-17   2 
   RE: Next World...  bonecollect...      Jan-01-17   3 
    RE: Next World...  elkassassin      Jan-02-17   6 
    RE: Next World...  fortheloveo...      Jan-05-17   17 
   RE: Next World...  two7D      Jan-05-17   21 
 RE: Next World...  BrowningRage      Jan-01-17   4 
  RE: Next World...  Dr_Hunter      Jan-01-17   5 
   RE: Next World...  YBO      Jan-02-17   7 
    RE: Next World...  Tristate      Jan-02-17   8 
   RE: Next World...  YELUM      Jan-02-17   9 
    RE: Next World...  YBO      Jan-02-17   10 
     RE: Next World...  elkassassin      Jan-02-17   11 
      RE: Next World...  Sierra      Jan-02-17   12 
       RE: Next World...  elkassassin      Jan-02-17   13 
        RE: Next World...  ICMDEER      Jan-03-17   14 
         RE: Next World...  elkassassin      Jan-03-17   15 
          RE: Next World...  nripepi      Jan-05-17   19 
        RE: Next World...  Cliffdweller      Jan-18-18   64 
 RE: Next World...  BOHNTR      Jan-05-17   20 
  RE: Next World...  mntman      Jan-06-17   22 
   RE: Next World...  Longun      Jan-06-17   23 
   RE: Next World...  BrowningRage      Jan-06-17   24 
    RE: Next World...  Gator      Jan-06-17   25 
    RE: Next World...  mntman      Jan-06-17   26 
 RE: Next World...  marburg      Jan-06-17   27 
  RE: Next World...  elkassassin      Jan-07-17   28 
   RE: Next World...  BrianID      Jan-09-17   29 
  RE: Next World...  Tikka      Jan-19-17   38 
 RE: Next World...  toklat      Jan-10-17   30 
  RE: Next World...  Homer      Jan-10-17   31 
   RE: Next World...  elkassassin      Jan-10-17   33 
   RE: Next World...  toklat      Jan-11-17   34 
  RE: Next World...  hornkiller      Jan-10-17   32 
   RE: Next World...  Homer      Jan-11-17   35 
    RE: Next World...  toklat      Jan-11-17   36 
     RE: Next World...  gznokes      Jan-19-17   37 
      RE: Next World...  tx_packmule      Jan-22-17   39 
 RE: Next World...  plough      Dec-13-17   40 
 RE: Next World...  marburg      Dec-13-17   41 
  RE: Next World...  6x7      Dec-15-17   42 
   RE: Next World...  Muley_73      Dec-15-17   43 
    RE: Next World...  walleye1121      Dec-15-17   44 
     RE: Next World...  Ant      Dec-15-17   45 
      RE: Next World...  Adventurewr...      Dec-15-17   46 
       RE: Next World...  dirtygrass      Dec-18-17   47 
       RE: Next World...  toklat      Jan-15-18   57 
 RE: Next World...  MT_55      Dec-19-17   48 
  RE: Next World...  AspenAdvent...      Dec-19-17   49 
   RE: Next World...  walleye1121      Dec-19-17   50 
    RE: Next World...  bonecollect...      Dec-20-17   51 
      RE: Next World...  Blacktail_S...      Jan-14-18   53 
       RE: Next World...  Bolt      Jan-16-18   58 
       RE: Next World...  buckhorn      Jan-16-18   59 
        RE: Next World...  Hawkeye      Jan-16-18   60 
         RE: Next World...  buckhorn      Jan-16-18   61 
          RE: Next World...  Blacktail_S...      Jan-16-18   62 
           RE: Next World...  Castnshoot      Jan-17-18   63 

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headshot05
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Jan-01-17, 
02:29 PM (MST)
1. "RE: Next World record"

Probably won't ever be broken. Seems as though everyone knows about the deer long before they get to that size and they are killed. My guess is that if it ever happens it will come from a unit in a state that is a type of general unit or un popular unit, that is not highly scrutinized.

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Jan-01-17, 
03:21 PM (MST)
2. "RE: Next World record"

I suppose it could happen. At this rate it's not very likely. If it is broken, I hope it's a good ole hunt like the Burris buck. None of this posse scouting/hunting, caught on candid trail camera, shot at 5,000 yards BS!

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bonecollector777
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Jan-01-17, 
03:39 PM (MST)
3. "RE: Next World record"

Don't know exact score but this buck may give him a run. It's in AZ in a lower quality unit. So far haven't heard of him being killed.

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elkassassin
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Jan-02-17, 
05:03 AM (MST)
6. "RE: Next World record"


If BoneCollector would have layed off the Release & waited one more year He'd of been Right in there!

There are Bucks that have the Potential to Break the Typical Record!

But Like stated above!

Ain't nobody gonna let em Walk when the very next Hunter will Kill the Buck!

The Burris Bucks Days are Numbered!

The Record will be Broken!

It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!

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fortheloveofit
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Jan-05-17, 
12:38 PM (MST)
17. "RE: Next World record"

Man that bucks incredible. His main beams need to be as good as the rest of him and he would be perfect. Either way a guys crazy to pass a buck like that.

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two7D
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Jan-05-17, 
09:07 PM (MST)
21. "RE: Next World record"

+1...

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BrowningRage
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Jan-01-17, 
04:00 PM (MST)
4. "RE: Next World record"

The Burris Buck is an absolute anomaly. A One-in-a-Billion animal...

Mostly because of the sheer size and symmetry of this buck, I doubt it will ever be beaten. Much like the Broder Buck (Non-Typical Record), it would take exceptional genes, and the buck would have to live long enough for those genes to produce.

On the premier units in the west, no guide or hunter is passing on a NET 200" typical, just to hope and pray that it makes it through the other hunters and winter and predators on the off chance that he will grow another 3.5" per tine for next season... Having held a 199" NET typical in my hands (a neighbor's buck) I can barely even imagine the Burris Buck...

Maybe one will come out of Canada..??

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24

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Dr_Hunter
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Jan-01-17, 
09:56 PM (MST)
5. "RE: Next World record"

LAST EDITED ON Jan-01-17 AT 09:56 PM (MST)

Good question.... Maybe if they close Antelope Island for a few years?? It's possible, but not likely.

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YBO
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Jan-02-17, 
07:27 AM (MST)
7. "RE: Next World record"

>Non typical may never be broken. If it does, it will come from Canada. The typical will be broken.

ont size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jan-01-17
>AT 09:56†PM (MST)

>
>Good question.... Maybe if they close
>Antelope Island for a few
>years?? It's possible, but not
>likely.


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Tristate
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Jan-02-17, 
07:39 AM (MST)
8. "RE: Next World record"

Best chance for it to get broken is in North Texas.

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Jan-02-17, 
07:44 AM (MST)
9. "RE: Next World record"

Why would closing the island help. It was closed for 30 years and never grew a WR. It doesn't have the feed good enough to get any of them out there near WR status. Maybe a state record typical, but thats it.

Yelum

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YBO
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Jan-02-17, 
08:02 AM (MST)
10. "RE: Next World record"

The typical record, if broken, will come from Colo, AZ or Old Mex. Just a guess. Or, possibly Bess back pocket..

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Jan-02-17, 
09:27 AM (MST)
11. "RE: Next World record"

Hey YBO!

My Back Pocket Ain't gonna do it!

I'd Suspect you're Right on the Old Mexico though!

Can You Imagine if a WR was located here in TARDville with the BS that goes on here with 'BIG MONEY BUCKS'?

It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!

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Sierra
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Jan-02-17, 
02:39 PM (MST)
12. "RE: Next World record"

The next world record will likely be a high fenced pet that someone passes off as a fair chase animal.

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elkassassin
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Jan-02-17, 
02:42 PM (MST)
13. "RE: Next World record"

>The next world record will likely
>be a high fenced pet
>that someone passes off as
>a fair chase animal.


Kinda like the Last one?

It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!

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ICMDEER
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Jan-03-17, 
06:25 PM (MST)
14. "RE: Next World record"

I agree. Mexico high fence and passed off as fair chase. Bobcat should start building those Mexican preference points now so he can get the nomad............

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Jan-03-17, 
07:11 PM (MST)
15. "RE: Next World record"

>I agree. Mexico high fence
>and passed off as fair
>chase. Bobcat should start
>building those Mexican preference points
>now so he can get
>the nomad............

ICM!

Them Ain't Points you need for that Fence Hunt!

It's Peso's!


It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!

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nripepi
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Jan-05-17, 
01:03 PM (MST)
19. "RE: Next World record"

I am betting on Colorado in the next 25 years if mule deer rebound and tags stay somewhat limited, seems like they can grow some whopper typicals with super deep forks like the Burris Buck, just need the perfect buck with little deductions and very few extras. Looking at the Burris Buck, you need 30" beams and 30" inside spread with big forks and good mass (doesn't have to be massive).

Arizona surely has a chance, maybe they should have tried to shoot off the extras on this guy (234" net typical frame!):
http://my.kingscamo.com/2013/giant-276-gross-mule-deer-gilbert-adams-iii-2013-buck/

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Jan-18-18, 
08:22 AM (MST)
64. "RE: Next World record"

LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-18 AT 08:23 AM (MST)

>>The next world record will likely
>>be a high fenced pet
>>that someone passes off as
>>a fair chase animal.
>
>
> Kinda like the Last one?
>
>
>I mean no disrespect
Mr. Assassin.
But are you implying
that the reigning world
record typical mule
deer.
Shot by Mr. BURRIS IS a
High fenced pet that was
wrongly passed off as a
legitimate monster buck
killed from fair
chase!!
Sincerely CliffDweller
>
>
>
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>
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>It Was them Damn Lake
>Trout that took them Elk
>
>out!

>
>


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Jan-05-17, 
07:25 PM (MST)
20. "RE: Next World record"

In today's technological world, the Burris buck will never be broken.

BOHNTR )))---------->

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mntman
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Jan-06-17, 
07:57 AM (MST)
22. "RE: Next World record"

I would say it will be broken, lot of monsters shot each year. Sure lot of people watching the "big" bucks year round. However it only takes one buck to break record. Look at the spider bull. The years leading up to that bull how many people seriously thought a bull that big would be taken.

Mntman

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Longun
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Jan-06-17, 
08:09 AM (MST)
23. "RE: Next World record"

It will be broken......I'm workin' on it....HEHEHE

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BrowningRage
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Jan-06-17, 
08:11 AM (MST)
24. "RE: Next World record"

mntman asked, "The years leading up to that bull how many people seriously thought a bull that big would be taken."

At least an elk farmer or two...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24

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Jan-06-17, 
10:24 AM (MST)
25. "RE: Next World record"

Genetic and age then one good year where all the stars line up weather,feed,minerals,etc and it will be broken. IMO

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Jan-06-17, 
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26. "RE: Next World record"

>mntman asked, "The years leading up
>to that bull how many
>people seriously thought a bull
>that big would be taken."
>
>
>At least an elk farmer or
>two...
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Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

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marburg
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Jan-06-17, 
11:31 PM (MST)
27. "RE: Next World record"

Not in today's big money hunting game. Guides setting out hundreds of cameras, flying units, paying bounty's for giant bucks, shed hunting becoming big business. A new record wont happen, we are watching the destruction of the western wildlife model.

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Jan-07-17, 
06:31 AM (MST)
28. "RE: Next World record"

>Not in today's big money hunting
>game. Guides setting out
>hundreds of cameras, flying units,
>paying bounty's for giant bucks,
>shed hunting becoming big business.
> A new record wont
>happen, we are watching the
>destruction of the western wildlife
>model.

What marburg says is True also!

"He's Only a 185" Typical"!

We Should Let Him Grow!

But Since We can get 12K out of Him Let's Kill Him!

The Typical Record Will Be Broken!


It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!

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Jan-09-17, 
08:32 PM (MST)
29. "RE: Next World record"

Yes, I think there will be a bigger buck than the Burris buck taken. It might take 50 years but I think a bigger typical will happen. The nontypical world record is leas likely to be broken but I wouldn't be too surprised if it happens.

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Jan-19-17, 
06:30 PM (MST)
38. "RE: Next World record"

>Not in today's big money hunting
>game. Guides setting out
>hundreds of cameras, flying units,
>paying bounty's for giant bucks,
>shed hunting becoming big business.
> A new record wont
>happen, we are watching the
>destruction of the western wildlife
>model.


X2

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toklat
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Jan-10-17, 
04:24 PM (MST)
30. "RE: Next World record"

Lee's Meat Buck (Lee Spurgeon's) typical buck killed in Colorado some year's back and ultimately gifted to Kirt Darner may have exceeded or given the Burris buck a run for it's money! Reference "Lee's Meat Buck" on the net for for an interesting read.
Apparently the buck was rejected by B and C but details on whom submitted it and reasons for rejection are not privy to public scrutiny. Unfortunate this Buck is not recognized on it's own merit and the habitat that produced it regardless of the hunter who harvested or who submitted it as the B and C Club was established to recognize.

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Jan-10-17, 
07:21 PM (MST)
31. "RE: Next World record"

The only reason B&C didn't accept Lee's meat buck is because Darner owns it......and submitted it.

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Jan-10-17, 
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33. "RE: Next World record"

>The only reason B&C didn't accept
>Lee's meat buck is because
>Darner owns it......and submitted it.
>

Did He Try & Tell B&C that He Shot it?


It Was them Damn Lake Trout that took them Elk
out!

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toklat
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Jan-11-17, 
10:20 AM (MST)
34. "RE: Next World record"

Homer, maybe B and C should look past who owns Lee's buck, not acknowledge Darner in any manner as he had nothing to do with its harvest and acknowledge the buck on its own merit and the habitat that produced it and Lee Spurgeon as the Hunter? Isn't that what B and C stands for in its platform?
Other similar instances of trophies have been submitted by other than the hunter and accepted them into the records. The buck should be given its due credit independent and irregardless of who submitted it. In this case, possibly the messenger aka submitter (Darner) should be waived as the saying goes!Give the animal it's due credit based on its own merit.
I am sure many other Hunter's out there would really like to know what this typical scored, myself included.

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Jan-10-17, 
07:23 PM (MST)
32. "RE: Next World record"

http://www.monstermuleys.com/cgi-bin/stories/site.pl?page=meatbuck&tem=th

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Jan-11-17, 
01:33 PM (MST)
35. "RE: Next World record"

toklat,

Anything from Darner is suspect and unacceptable. His dishonest actions with B&C sealed that deal. If someone else were to own it and submit it, I'm sure it would be reviewed, researched....probably exrayed....and if found to be legit.....accepted.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
- H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920

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toklat
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Jan-11-17, 
03:59 PM (MST)
36. "RE: Next World record"

Homer, my point exactly. We are on the same page. The buck should be recognized on its own merit.
Darner did not harvest it and the buck should not be penalized for it. Hopefully it does change hands and some "respectable" individual does enter it albeit every year that goes by it is subject to nominal shrinkage.

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Jan-19-17, 
04:55 PM (MST)
37. "RE: Next World record"

IMO, it will be broken because of all the technology.

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Jan-22-17, 
04:09 PM (MST)
39. "RE: Next World record"

>IMO, it will be broken because
>of all the technology.
>
>


I'd bet it's broken bc of management of private land (and the ability to hold people off certain deer) with that I'll have to go with TX or KS.

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Dec-13-17, 
07:53 PM (MST)
40. "RE: Next World record"

LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-17 AT 07:55 PM (MST)

if it is broken i would think that it would come from the same genetic area...those does and bucks are still carrying the same genes..southwest colo, northwest nm

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marburg
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Dec-13-17, 
08:22 PM (MST)
41. "RE: Next World record"

With all the technology and shady stuff going on now I dont think it will happen. Cameras everywhere, drones, flying units, bounty money for big bucks, etc. I dont think it will happen in the wild.

What is likely is for a high fencer to be passed off as a wild animal for greed and publicity reasons. That I could see happening.

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Dec-15-17, 
10:28 AM (MST)
42. "RE: Next World record"

Didn't some guy smuggle a rack from Mexico that would have beat the record if he didn't cheat and break the cheater off a few years ago.

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Muley_73
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Dec-15-17, 
10:48 AM (MST)
43. "RE: Next World record"

Correct, Thomas Baker

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walleye1121
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Dec-15-17, 
05:55 PM (MST)
44. "RE: Next World record"

It was Thomas Baker. But I believe the buck would have been number two. He cheated for second place if I recall correctly.

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Dec-15-17, 
07:43 PM (MST)
45. "RE: Next World record"

Hope the guys who breaks the record does it the right way. Fair chase, on public land, and shares the pics and story here on Monstermuleys.

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Dec-15-17, 
11:14 PM (MST)
46. "RE: Next World record"

I think it will be broken....hope it is a good ole boy story and not some fat ass with a fat wallet...but the amount of antler required is matched on Non typicals every year...you just take that raw antler material and run it through a clean 4x4 genetic with good brows and walla there you have it

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dirtygrass
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Dec-18-17, 
09:06 PM (MST)
47. "RE: Next World record"

How many times has the Burris Buck already been beaten, racks sitting in a old barn or attic in some small redneck town. I used to drive around small hunting towns and look at racks hanging on garages.

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Jan-15-18, 
09:27 AM (MST)
57. "RE: Next World record"

All records are eventually broken.

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MT_55
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Dec-19-17, 
11:22 AM (MST)
48. "RE: Next World record"

Can someone enlighten me on the Darner thing? What does one guy owning it have to do with B & C NOT entering it as a world record? If the deer is real it's real. I don't get the problem here.

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AspenAdventures
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Dec-19-17, 
05:15 PM (MST)
49. "RE: Next World record"

Not sure...Darner poached a few so maybe that is the issue.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

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walleye1121
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Dec-19-17, 
05:59 PM (MST)
50. "RE: Next World record"

Darner had lost all credibility. B & C had banned him.

With no first hand account of the harvest, I don't see how they could list it.

It is a hunting record book and not about the biggest antlers a deer ever grew.

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bonecollector777
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Dec-20-17, 
09:06 PM (MST)
51. "RE: Next World record"

No it's definitely a book about which wild deer grew the largest antlers. If it was only about hunting then they wouldn't accept pick up trophies. I know more bucks that have been poached that were claimed as dead heads than claimed as hunted.

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Blacktail_Slayer
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Jan-14-18, 
01:46 PM (MST)
53. "RE: Next World record"

Not a world record but a non-typical blacktail/mule deer (Benchleg) buck was killed mid-90's with an OTC tag in the Oregon Cascades. It scored 301 and was only entered into the Oregon Record books.

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Bolt
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Jan-16-18, 
07:30 AM (MST)
58. "RE: Next World record"

Wow, any pics of that? A 301" blacktail?

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buckhorn
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Jan-16-18, 
08:48 AM (MST)
59. "RE: Next World record"

>Not a world record but a
>non-typical blacktail/mule deer (Benchleg) buck
>was killed mid-90's with an
>OTC tag in the Oregon
>Cascades. It scored 301
>and was only entered into
>the Oregon Record books.


Itís good to hear the term Benchleg by someone else. Thatís what we have around the Reno area. Our dear have a lot of Blacktail blood in them from California I call them benchleg mule deer

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Hawkeye
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Jan-16-18, 
11:50 AM (MST)
60. "RE: Next World record"

What is the supposed story with Thomas Baker regarding a deer shot in Mexico? I don't think I have heard that one before and I could not find anything in a google search.

-Hawkeye-

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Jan-16-18, 
12:31 PM (MST)
61. "RE: Next World record"

>What is the supposed story with
>Thomas Baker regarding a deer
>shot in Mexico? I
>don't think I have heard
>that one before and I
>could not find anything in
>a google search.
>
>-Hawkeye-

The Mexico buck had a short extra point that he supposedly broke off with a hammer so that it wouldnít have the deduction. Without that extra deduction the Mexico buck would have surpassed the Burris buck for the all-time record typical I think by about an inch. Unfortunately for Thomas there were pictures of the Mexico bucks rack with the point intact Before he acquired it

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Blacktail_Slayer
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Jan-16-18, 
08:07 PM (MST)
62. "RE: Next World record"

The 300+ inch Oregon Blacktail/Mule Deer (Benchleg) had picture and story in "blacktail legends of the pacific northwest" book.

I can't find any pictures on the internet and lost my book in a fire.

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Jan-17-18, 
02:25 PM (MST)
63. "RE: Next World record"

This subject makes me think about the piles old cut off heads I used to see when I was a kid behind the barns at my granddad's. and uncles ranches at the head of the Weber canyon, and the Chalk creek. (late 50s,,early 60s)

It took a real monster to be worth the effort to actually nail up on the barn.

EVERYBODY had a tag good for a buck or a doe. Some times I think it was 2 tags per person. All the hunting took place right from the house by foot or horse back.

All the tags were filled in 2 days most on opening day. It was a big family party.

A big buck was a prize but not really hunted for.

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