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dz
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Aug-01-17, 
09:56 PM (MST)
"Would you shoot him?"

Question to you guys. Here is a town buck that was in my yard today. Archery tags are OTC and he would be legal to shoot in my neighbor's field as it is in the county. Then if he makes Pope and Young would you enter him. I walked up to about 15 feet of him to take the pictures with my Iphone. Probably with an apple I could get him with a knife.


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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: Would you ...  dz      Aug-01-17   1 
  RE: Would you ...  Homer      Aug-01-17   2 
   RE: Would you ...  Stubaby      Aug-01-17   3 
    RE: Would you ...  mtmuley      Aug-02-17   4 
     RE: Would you ...  Wapitiwilly      Aug-02-17   5 
      RE: Would you ...  elkassassin      Aug-02-17   6 
       RE: Would you ...  Tristate      Aug-02-17   7 
        RE: Would you ...  ICMDEER      Aug-02-17   8 
 RE: Would you ...  SnkyHuntr      Aug-02-17   9 
  RE: Would you ...  MT_55      Aug-02-17   10 
   RE: Would you ...  mtmuley      Aug-02-17   11 
    RE: Would you ...  Shadow      Aug-02-17   12 
     RE: Would you ...  Stubaby      Aug-02-17   13 
      RE: Would you ...  mtmuley      Aug-02-17   14 
       RE: Would you ...  Stubaby      Aug-02-17   15 
        RE: Would you ...  nvbones      Aug-02-17   16 
         RE: Would you ...  Wapitiwilly      Aug-02-17   17 
          RE: Would you ...  buckhorn      Aug-02-17   18 
           RE: Would you ...  mtmuley      Aug-02-17   19 
            RE: Would you ...  ridgetops      Aug-02-17   20 
             RE: Would you ...  Bonehead13      Aug-02-17   21 
              RE: Would you ...  Wapitiwilly      Aug-02-17   22 
               RE: Would you ...  CAelknuts      Aug-02-17   23 
 RE: Would you ...  Soj51hopefu...      Aug-02-17   24 
  RE: Would you ...  Stubaby      Aug-02-17   25 
 RE: Would you ...  CO_MTNMan      Aug-03-17   26 
  RE: Would you ...  adubs      Aug-03-17   27 
   RE: Would you ...  dz      Aug-03-17   28 
 RE: Would you ...  BrowningRage      Aug-03-17   29 
 RE: Would you ...  Joe2Kool      Aug-03-17   30 
  RE: Would you ...  mtmuley      Aug-03-17   31 
   RE: Would you ...  dirtygrass      Aug-09-17   32 

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dz
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Aug-01-17, 
09:57 PM (MST)
1. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Also what do you think he would score?

DZ

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Homer
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Aug-01-17, 
10:42 PM (MST)
2. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

try it with a knife....

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Stubaby
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Aug-01-17, 
11:26 PM (MST)
3. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

I would stick him. Two reasons.

1. He'd look way better in your wall as a euro or shoulder mount than smashed by a car on the side of the road which happens all the time.....esp when rut hits.

2. Pope and Young is an award for the animal, not for the hunter. Kudos for that deer in getting that age with all the cars and dogs around.

Do someone's auto deductable a favor and let the air out of him

"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"

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mtmuley
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Aug-02-17, 
05:56 AM (MST)
4. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Wow. Then you would have a really cool hunting story about saving cars. No way in Hell I shoot a tame deer. mtmuley

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Wapitiwilly
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Aug-02-17, 
06:06 AM (MST)
5. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Not in this lifetime. Hunting means a lot more to me than shooting a tame deer. The value to me is a hard earned trophy regardless of score.
Just sayin...🤔

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elkassassin
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Aug-02-17, 
06:41 AM (MST)
6. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Sounds like His Days are Numbered!

The Family Pets don't even stand a Chance anymore!

Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsWQNYfEYo

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Tristate
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Aug-02-17, 
07:18 AM (MST)
7. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

No

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ICMDEER
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Aug-02-17, 
08:24 AM (MST)
8. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Doubtful. but what I'd do doesn't matter. You should do what you want. Only person you have to please is yourself, unless of course you have a wife and family.

Hunt and have fun. Best of luck.

And he does look like he be a P&Y buck to me.

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SnkyHuntr
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Aug-02-17, 
10:34 AM (MST)
9. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Just because he lives within or close to town does not necessarily mean he is "Tame". I have been able to sneak close to many animals out in the wild just the same regardless of where they reside. He is still a wild animal just resides in a different environment.

Stick an arrow in him and enjoy the animal for lifetimes to come. Who cares where or how you killed him.

So many naysayers are willing to state their opinions about ethics behind a keyboard, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty if given the chance they'd shoot him as well so they could have the trophy on their wall.

He is a beautiful buck. Good Luck and let us know if you do get him or not.

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MT_55
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Aug-02-17, 
11:37 AM (MST)
10. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

>Just because he lives within or
>close to town does not
>necessarily mean he is "Tame".
> I have been able
>to sneak close to many
>animals out in the wild
>just the same regardless of
>where they reside. He
>is still a wild animal
>just resides in a different
>environment.
>
>Stick an arrow in him and
>enjoy the animal for lifetimes
>to come. Who cares
>where or how you killed
>him.
>
>So many naysayers are willing to
>state their opinions about ethics
>behind a keyboard, but when
>it comes down to the
>nitty gritty if given the
>chance they'd shoot him as
>well so they could have
>the trophy on their wall.
>
>
>He is a beautiful buck.
>Good Luck and let us
>know if you do get
>him or not.


BINGO!!! I shake my head at some of the comments and this is EXACTLY how it is. Great post.

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mtmuley
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Aug-02-17, 
11:59 AM (MST)
11. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

"Who cares how or where you kill him?" I didn't say anything about ethics. Said I wouldn't kill a tame deer. If you don't care about how or where you kill, have at it. I live e special draw area where guys kill tame 200 inchers every year. Sometimes literally in people's backyards. If you are ok with crap like that, have at it. It's not for me. mtmuley

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Shadow
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Aug-02-17, 
12:09 PM (MST)
12. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

He's a nice looking buck, worthy of an arrow for sure. Whatever you decide on him, I sure as hell wouldn't post a story around here for the elite crowd to crucify you over.

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Stubaby
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Aug-02-17, 
01:27 PM (MST)
13. "RE: Would you shoot him?"


MTMULEY, you are such a hard a$$. 25 miles from the truck, killing deer with your bare hands.

So quick to reign judgement. Anyone who has ever hunted mule deer in the state of Montana with a rifle in November with a scoped rifle(including me) has no right to pass judgement on a legal archery kill regardless where the deer lives.

I called in a coyote last fall in Wyoming Region H at 11,000ft across a basin. He came in on a rope to his demise. Piece of cake.

This spring I called in a coyote on a heavily hunted pc of state land right outside the city limits. This place gets hit by everyone who leaves Cabelas with their first Foxpro. He came in slow and cautious-like. He was at lest 3-4 years old.

Guess who's the bigger trophy?????

Which dawg was harder to fool????


"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"

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mtmuley
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Aug-02-17, 
01:36 PM (MST)
14. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

I'm a hardass because I wouldn't shoot a deer the OP days he can damn near pet? And the coyote analogy is a poor one. All I said was I wouldn't kill him. If it makes you feel good, hammer the sonofabitch. mtmuley

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Stubaby
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Aug-02-17, 
02:31 PM (MST)
15. "RE: Would you shoot him?"


It's a great analogy.

And yes it does apply. Don't get upset because it doesn't support your agenda.

Are you saying that every person who's killed an elk near Gardiner is a wussy looser? What about a West Yellowstone bison?

What about all the guys who hunt as near to slippery Ann as possible?

Where's the line?


"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"

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nvbones
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Aug-02-17, 
03:40 PM (MST)
16. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

My folks live in a place where they have in town deer tags to keep the population from getting out of control. Mostly just meat tags small forkies and does. If this buck popped up why would it be any different to kill it instead of a forkie or a doe?

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Wapitiwilly
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Aug-02-17, 
03:57 PM (MST)
17. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Hunting is what "you" get out of it. If it works for you drilled it. If it's legal then it's nobody's business.
Enough said.

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buckhorn
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Aug-02-17, 
04:18 PM (MST)
18. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-17 AT 04:20 PM (MST)

>Hunting is what "you" get out
>of it. If it works
>for you drilled it. If
>it's legal then it's nobody's
>business.
>Enough said.

Wapitywilly
Congrats on your 600 Post. I agree with you 100% Did you get my text I sent this morning?

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mtmuley
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Aug-02-17, 
06:03 PM (MST)
19. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Hey Stu, since you seem to think shooting tame deer is a fulfilling accomplishment worthy of record book entry, I got your perfect hunt. It's a limited entry area I live in in Western Montana. Get the tag and I will help you out. Gonna have to be archery, as the close proximity to occupied dwellings makes firearm hunting nearly impossible. So practice, and you may want to include a dog or two licking your face or humping your leg while you do it. I will secure permission. Lots of leg work as we will need permission from not only one landowner, but all the owners in the subdivision. And these bucks don't pattern easy, they like all swingsets. We need to be careful to not upset any children though, so morning hunts are best while they aren't out playing. And, sometimes the deer run and die in a different yard, making erecovery a #####. You won't need camo. Dressing as one of the summer Mexican irrigators will do. We will walk right up to the bucks, which will help me film with just my phone. I can also distract the buck by yelling and waving my arms and stuff as you "stalk" in. After the gratifying kill, for still photos, I will take you and the buck to a spot that looks like high mountain mule deer country. Then, we won't have to position to get houses out of the pic. That's a pain in the ass. All that is left is a thrilling hunt story to be made up, (just between you and me of course) and an awesome mount of your trophy to show all your friends and validate the accomplishment. AND, a huge deer, not a dink. I'll pay for the gas. mtmuley Almost forgot the book entry.

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Aug-02-17, 
07:08 PM (MST)
20. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Probably scores in the mid to upper 150s

Get ready for change because it's going to happen!

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Aug-02-17, 
07:59 PM (MST)
21. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Shoot him!! Whitetail hunters do it all over the country and it's still a trophy. no reason a western guy can't have a private property farm/field buck now and then. Good looking buck! Good luck!

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Wapitiwilly
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Aug-02-17, 
08:08 PM (MST)
22. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Don't think shooting a yard pet meets the fair chase requirements of fair chase of Pope & Young.
Just sayin...🤔

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CAelknuts
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Aug-02-17, 
09:25 PM (MST)
23. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

I absolutely would NOT shoot a deer living in town. Go find another buck out where you should be hunting, away from town. As for the town buck, enjoy watching him throughout the year.

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Soj51hopefull
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Aug-02-17, 
09:31 PM (MST)
24. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

otc archery tag? Yes I would shoot him. Enter the books? No. Bragg on this site? No.

Hopefully you live where a second tag is an option and can still go hunting, this could be the meat buck. My family and I like to eat venison and I'm not too proud to put a backyard buck in the freezer.

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Stubaby
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Aug-02-17, 
11:20 PM (MST)
25. "RE: Would you shoot him?"


Sign me up MTMULEY.


After all the hiking I'll be doing chasing sheep, deer, elk, and bear in Montana.........Deer in region H Wyoming.......Deer in Idaho and Deer on MT Nebo in Utah I'll be ready for a "gimme". I've only got 9 deer points but if you can guarantee me a 270 tag I'll take it.


You make great points. So do I. I'd still shoot that buck. Better to have his antlers on the wall in my garage than that thing laying next to the road all bloated and covered with flies.

Yur a good dude, even if your cartridges have belts on them. : )

"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"

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CO_MTNMan
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Aug-03-17, 
07:20 AM (MST)
26. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

One thing no one has brought up is, have you talked to your neighbors about it? At the end of the season you still have to live with the people around you. None of our opinions on the Internet mean diddly. If you harvest the buck legally than according to your states laws you have acted within the scope of ethics provided. Just my humble opinion.

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adubs
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Aug-03-17, 
08:13 AM (MST)
27. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

I had a situation kinda like this here in WI a few years back. I lived about 1 mile south of a city of about 70,000 people at the top of a hill on a dead end road with woods surrounding my 3 acres. (there were 3 other houses off the end of the road. We had seen a really big whitetail a few times so I put a game camera under the apple tree in my yard and got a ton of pics of the big whitetail buck. He was a 5x 5 or a 10pt as we call them here, pushing 165". Well long story short my wife comes home from work one day and tells me he just crossed the driveway and is under the apple tree in my front yard (last week of October, start of the rut). Without thinking about it I grab my bow, head out to the corner of the house and there he is...making a scrape in my yard. The biggest whitetail I have harvested scores around 130" so this would have been my biggest buck by a long shot! I looked at the buck, looked down at my clothes, (I was wearing a shirt and tie, suit pants, and dress shoes) and knew I couldn't shoot that buck in this situation. I set my bow against the house and just watched him do his thing and walk away. As I walked back into the house my wife asked why I didn't shoot him? I told her it wasn't hunting and I couldn't hang that deer on the wall and be proud of it so I let him walk. Not saying it was right or wrong, it's just when the time came to actually send that arrow I couldn't do it.

Two weeks later my neighbor shot it in his yard...and he was thrilled. To each their own I guess!

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dz
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Aug-03-17, 
10:15 AM (MST)
28. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

To answer a couple questions I saw in the post from above. Yes I do have permission to hunt the place where he is. Yes he is a wild deer but like all town deer you can get close to him always. Most of my neighbors hate them from all the tree and garden damage they do. Last year I had 18 bucks at one time in my yard. And if he didn't run more the 400 yards All would be cool.

For the record I plan to shoot one more buck in my lifetime. I plan to use my 22 Utah points to hunt the Heneries some day. I do expect him to take an arrow from somebody. But it wont be me. When I was younger I hunted a farm buck South of Boise. He would have been hanging on my wall if I would have got him. He was a 36 inch straight 4x4 typical that would have cleared the 200" mark by several inches.

Good post guys, DZ

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Aug-03-17, 
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29. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

If I were you, I would start out before dark about 3 miles away from where you normally see this buck. Walk in to where you think he might be and wait for him to appear. At that point you can either ambush him, or put him to bed then stalk around behind him.

Once you kill him, you tell the story just like I did above and no one would ever "judge" you as hunting a "tame" deer.

Most big deer are killed in the mountains, away from cities... But how many nice bucks are killed near roads or in towns..?? Few.

Meat is meat, velvet is velvet. All deer are quite tame this time of year and into the archery hunts. If you like him, stake him out and try for him. There are NEVER any guarantees in archery hunting.

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24

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Aug-03-17, 
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30. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Getting close to him in his world may be more difficult than you think. When I say his world, I mean in the woods, fields, etc... Places he is not expecting to see humans. Humans on the back porch and at the swing do not threaten him. Humans in the woods do. I think he would be much more leary of human sight and scent in the woods and be more difficult to kill than you might think.

Cows are the same way. When I come across them at the barn, they don't mind me. If I come across them 1 mile away, they spook. Even if I am wearing the same thing and it is just a few hours later.

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mtmuley
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Aug-03-17, 
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31. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Stu, no belts on my cartridges and it ain't 270. mtmuley

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Aug-09-17, 
12:19 PM (MST)
32. "RE: Would you shoot him?"

Another back yard buck, would or wouldn't?


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