Kyrgyzstan Marco Polo and Ibex

JDElec

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I've got a hunt booked for this fall to hunt both Marco Polo and Mid Asian Ibex in Kyrgyzstan. I know that the better sheep are coming from Tajikistan but the cost runs quite a bit higher. So far I've been just watching every YouTube video for either that I could find and honestly am going stir crazy I'm so excited. One question that I have for anybody that has done this before is did it live up to your expectations?
Also would anybody have any advice for something that maybe you just didn't expect or prepare for. I know it will be cold at high altitude and extremely foreign. But what else?
And has anybody hunted in Krygyzstan for Marco Polo. How was it? some first hand stories would probably just get me more excited but that's the point right?
 
Not only are the rams averaging a little bigger in Tajikistan, the hunts are generally less of a gamble. You've probably booked with a reputable outfit but many do not and their hunts are more of a nightmare than a dream (I'm sure you know of what I speak). I hunted Tajikistan so I don't have much info for you.
Best of luck to you! I hope you have a dream hunt...and share it with us here on MM.
Zeke
 
Thanks for the response. Yes I've heard that you have to be careful who you book with. I did check references and talked with a few previous hunters they swear by this guy. Extreme Mountain Hunts, Mirbala Manafov. I originally got in touch with him through GSCO. Originally I was thinking of just Ibex and they are supposed to be bigger in Kyrgyzstan but I've been counting my pennies and well I am going all in for sheep as well.
When I talked to the other hunters they gave me some insite but I also just wanted some additional perspective from the MM community.
I will keep some ongoing updates about this as well. Currently I'm just concentrating on fitness and gathering info. Thanks again.
 
I'm excited for you JD. Those hunts seem as adventurous as hunts get, and I like your stile in going all out and adding a chance at those twister Marco Polos. I will never be in a position to do that hunt, but I am happy for you man and wish you the best!
 
I hunted Ibex a few years back and posted a thread here...check the archives..."Kyrgyzstan Ibex", my hunt was in Jan and it was really cold and everything was frozen...I was dehydrated most of the time which really made everything much harder...check out the thread.... I was in an area that did not have sheep and went there for that reason as I heard the areas that hold sheep get lots more pressure on the older class Billies as most sheep hunter shoot one or two..
 
Adventure, your Kyrgyzstan ibex post is awesome it was really fun to read. I have heard that your point is very valid, that the areas with sheep generally don't have as big ibex. Before I added the sheep to my hunt we would have gone to another area. But when I decided to go for sheep the outfitter said we would be out of a different camp. He claims that this area is still good for ibex averaging trophies in the 46"-47" range. But we will see. We are booked for mid to end of October I still expect cold weather as we will be hunting 10,000'-15,000'. But I doubt the cold will be anything like your hunt.

Like Littlebighorn said to me it seems adventurous and I have been craving an adventure. I went to Africa a few years back it was awesome but definitely very tame and felt controlled. We shot only plains game and maybe that was it. We were in SA. I'm sure if we had done dangerous game in a more exotic place I would have had a different experience.

For you guys that have done these hunts how would you recommend to get in shape. I am generally fit and a strong hiker I had planned on my regular workouts coupled with as much high elevation hiking as N Utah offers. Probably add in some overnight bivies above 11,000'. I would be happy to take any suggestions.
 
You can never be too fit for these hunts really was the hardest thing I have ever done...but I attribute the real suffering to the dehydration. The more fit you are the more fun you will have. Try to find some scree to crawl-slide across on your hikes...

This really is at the top ofd the adventure list...the country is pretty raw Imagine Russain meet Genghis Khan....get in and out of Bishkek ASAP...
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-16 AT 10:21AM (MST)[p]Personally, I think you are being lied to regarding the ibex trophy size. 46-47" ibex are very big. If that's the average, well, that area would have to be spectacular, with the bigger ones going over 50". What did he tell you the average MP ram was in length?
Have you asked Mirbala who you will be hunting with in Kyrgyzstan? The areas are all run by locals so he won't be the actual owner of the hunting lease, a Kyrg national will be. There are some very shady operators in that country.
Mirbala has a very good reputation, especially for Tur in Azerbaijan, so hopefully he will deliver.

Nothing short of moving to Leadville, CO for 6 months will train you sufficiently for the altitude. Just get in as much hiking at atltitude as you can. Hiking from 10,000 ft to 13,000 ft is very different from hiking from 7000 ft to 10,000 ft. I would be surprised if you actually get up to 15,000 ft on a mid October Marco Polo hunt but maybe. Do the best you can and be mentally prepared to deal with the suck, as many times will suck during your trip. A sheep guide from Alaska told me he believes it's 80% mental, if you can deal with the pain and just keep going you will accomplish your goal. I now believe him. It's just one foot in front of the other.
Mid October is a little early for the rut which usually occurs in November. The weather will be better though.
I would spend a lot time looking at MP pictures with stated lengths so you can get some experience as to what you are looking for. Don't be surprised if your guides ask you if you want to shoot at every ram you see, regardless of size. At the end of the day, you are pulling the trigger and you are paying the bill.

I strongly recommend you bring an extra set of binoculars. Your guide will not have any and will constantly ask to use yours. Just a cheap pair of Nikons or Leupolds will work. The native guide's eye sight is usually very good and they are very adept at spotting game at long distances.
Other good items: electrolyte mix for the water, ibuprofen, maybe some prescription strength pain killers from your doc, Diamox prescription, high quality inflatable sleeping pad (dont' skimp here), day time snack food (the lunch food is bad), body wipes, eye bleach to try and wash away the image of the crappers and a HUGE, HEAPING bucket of patience.
I would also recommend getting in some saddle time. If your butt, back and legs are not used to riding it can make for some sore days/nights.

I hope you have a great adventure.
 
Mbogo I dont "feel" like I'm being lied to. I did double check my email he had stated that he has been averaging 45" ibex. So I mis quoted, but I am aware that would an exceptional average. Every reference I have checked had nothing but positive stuff to say about Mirbala. He also said the the average Marco Polo is in the 47" range. I'm aware that falls short of what can be found elsewhere but hopefully that he is being honest. I know that last year they were able to get w few good sheep in the 57"+ range but these are actually the Hume Argali sub species known as Marco Polo I hear they can tend to be shorter but can carry more mass. But I will take your advice to heart and try to make myself as familiar as I can with what is and isn't really a trophy. But believe me anything I shoot will be "my trophy" if I shoot it I own the decision, and it will be the cumulation of everything that is the real trophy.
Also as for in country operator Mirbala has only said his partners. But he will personally be there for the hunt. We will meet in Istanbul and continue through Bishkek together and on to the hunt. He has told us he doesn't go on as many hunts himself anymore but had promised one other hunter who will be there in camp that he would come. In the end there will be 3 of us Americans hunting. One guy I don't know, one of my buddies, and myself.
I do believe that much of the prep will really be mental. I can only do so much to prep for elevation and will do what I can. I have personally been to 14,400 hiking from much lower for 2 days without any problem. But will take your suggestions to heart. Plan on diamox, pain killers. Hadn't thought of the electrolytes but will bring some for sure.

Thanks again for any help or suggestions please keep them coming.
 
The fact that he is saying his average sheep is 47" makes me believe he is actually being honest. That is very realistic. A lot of places will blow smoke up your skirt with supposed over 50" averages. Anything over 50" is a great ram for Kyrg and well above average.
You are definetely in a better situation with Mirbala coming with you. That is huge in my opinion. The total level of BS will most likely be greatly decreased. When you arrive at the Bishkek airport at 2:30 AM, with him, what are the chances of your outfitter showing up late? A lot less. And so on and so on throughout your Kyrg adventure.
I believe that fact alone will be the most influential part of your trip.
Are you laying over a couple days in Istanbul? Highly recommended. It's an incredible city if you like historical stuff and not overly expensive. It also gets you over the jet lag.

Some other things to think about possibly bringing if space/weight allows: a few bags of freeze dried food, rifle scabbard for horse (your neck will be rubbed raw from the sling after day 6), Some kind of pad for the "saddle" as they are just pieces of metal hammered out to a basic shape with a sheep skin flung over the top and adjustable stirrups to attach to the "saddle" or just some parachord to use to attach the stirrups they have at the correct length for your legs. They are short people and the set up most likely won't fit you correctly. After riding around for a few days with your knees hiked up like a race jockey you will be hitting the Ibuprofen pretty hard.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-26-16 AT 02:14PM (MST)[p]I would also recommend putting in a lot of time at the shooting range, especially at longer distances. If you can become proficient at 600-700 yards it will greatly increase your chances. And I would practise a lot of this in the prone position. Having a system that compensates for the altitude and weather will also help you.

A strong hit of equine tranquilizer would probably be useful for the riding. (For you, not the horse). Those guides will take you up and down stuff that I would have never dreamed of taking a horse. I just got off and walked in a lot of places. Those guys trust the horses in seemingly any situation, I don't.
 
Plus one to Mbogo.

As far as personal training goes: I hiked 7 peaks in 7 weeks immediately before going and I suspect it paid off although nothing really prepared me fully for the brutal elevation and the huge sweeping mountain hikes....but I lived through it and came home with a fine trophy.

These names should ring a bell to you. Kings, Timp, Boxelder, Nebo, Lone Peak, Pfeifferhorn, Provo peak. These were my weekend hikes and during the week I hiked above my cabin on Mill Peak as a little workout.

I also shot out to 750 yards but that didn't matter since that year the president of Tajikistan decided I couldn't take my rifle into the country. I used the guides rifle and it was actually a fine tool and my shot was at a reasonable distance for his 300 Win mag.

Yessir, it will be quite an adventure!!!
Zeke
 
You guys are awesome. It's fun getting into this thread it's been pumping me up even more for this hunt. I think your way on track with the horse and saddle stuff. Funny I have horses at my place, not mine just boarded their, but do ride occasionally. Kinda thought I might get a little saddle sore but the more I think about it especially on a porely made, non fitting saddle in probably the most extreme riding I can imagine. I think your right. Plan on being sore and prepare with anything possible.
As for hiking I've already gone up Timp once this year only made it to emerald lake due to the snow. I told my wife I would hike Timp once a week all year starting as soon as the weather clears a little. Here's a pic from a week and a half ago.
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My wife thinks I'm nuts.
I have been able to be pretty proficient at shooting to around 700-800 yards in the past. I have been shooting a Sako trgs chambered in 30-378. But lately I've been playing around with a 7mm. Also happens to be an older Sako A3 I rebarreled to 7mm. I plan on using it if I can get it all dialed up. I wanted a caliber that wasn't so off the wall in case ammo didn't show up. Although if I had off the shelf ammo all my ballistics would be out the window. And in Kyrgyzstan I would think 7mm also might be hard to get. What are your thoughts on a rifle for a hunt like this?
 
I would think the only way to find ammo would be if the outfitters had some that past clients had left with them.
The nice thing about sharing a camp is if everything goes south with your rifle/ammo there is someone you can borrow a rifle from when they are done hunting.
I would bring either of those guns/calibers. Whichever you shoot best and are most comfortable with.
I didn't realize you are in Utah. If you want to grab a coffee sometime and talk about more minute details I would be happy to.
 
I'd like to horn in on that brain-storming session (taking the back seat of course). Some of us just want to help celebrate your upcoming trip and help with preparations where we can.
If your hiking Timp, you've got to be within 20 minutes of my office!
Zeke
 
Guys I would love to get together. I'm out of Lehi but travel all over the front almost daily. I would love to be able to pick your brain. It would be much easier in person I'll send info out in a pm. Thanks again
 
Small world!
I work for myself so I could be flexible. I'll look for an PM message and maybe we'll set something up.
Zeke
 
If anyone is interested I have the story I wrote for the magazine I write for Sporting Classics..."Into the Cold heart of the Tian Shan" I have the magazine spread in PDF and will send it to whoever likes...my email is [email protected]
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-16 AT 03:10PM (MST)[p]JDelec,
I just want to hang around while you and Mbogo discuss the intricacies of the hunt so if you guys get something scheduled and I'm not invited or can't make it, so be it. He's the one with the good intel.
signed: the 3rd wheel,
Zeke
 
Mbogo, thanks for meeting up it was great. I really appreciate the conversation. Zeke I'm sure we will get together at some point. Funny as we talking I mentioned that Utah cc's were getting charged this morning. As we walked out I looked, I got a OIL charge so this is fixing to be a great year.
Thanks again
 
Wow, congrats.
Did anyone in your family apply for sheep?

If anything else comes up and you think I can help just let me know.
 
I wanted to be there as a fly on the wall and hear mbogo's wise words since he's been there, done that. I took mercy on you both since I ended up with this nasty little cold and that's one thing that should never be shared!
Congrats JDElec on drawing something good. We shall see which one it is of the two critters we discussed briefly.
Zeke (cough cough)
 
Yes we do have sheep apps. But the fee matches moose or bison. Got tied up into those draws before I had as much interest in sheep. It's good either way we weren't in a points position to expect anything.
 
Well got it done for the Marco Polo. But the weather kicked our butts no ibex. I guess I'll just have to come back and try again. Out of my whole trip had maybe 2.5 days that the wind and snow stopped I'm just sitting in a hotel in Bishkek reflecting on the experience. I'll post up a little more when I get home. Thanks to everybody that offered help.
52" on the longer side but broomed off a little on both.

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Totally awesome dude!
Congratulations on a wonderful trophy in a very remote and unique local.

I'd love it if you'd drop by my office again and lets "chew the fat!
Maybe let's grab a burger or something some time.

Zeke
 
That is really amazing! I've really enjoyed reading back through the old threads. Hopefully more details to come on the hunt.
 
Wow....congratulations on a hell of a hunt. That hunt is definitely on my bucket list. Just need to figure out how to afford it.??
 
It was an awesome adventure. The best way I can describe it was real. It was hard and we really didn't know if we would get anything until it happened. Sorry about not posting up more when I got home. I had a whole probably to long winded write up and while I was finishing it my phone died. Lost the whole thing so kinda killed my thunder just haven't sat back down to do it again.
Here's some pics I'll get the follow up put together again and post it.

This was the cold, finally clear, morning I ended up getting my sheep.
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Here are a few of ibex. They were all different animals on different days.
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They said we never really saw any huge ibex but some of them looked good to me.

Here are a few sheep. Didn't get a lot of good pics due to the weather.

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And this monster I ended up missing an admittedly difficult shot on.
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I have on video but can't seem to upload the vid
 

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