Nanny or Billy?

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-17 AT 08:20PM (MST)[p]http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos_2017/83817img9322.png

So, spending some time looking at goat photos and trying to better educate myself in determining A nanny from a billy. Came across this pic online. I didn't take the photo and don't know who did or I would provide photo credit.

Nanny or Billy?
 
Well........that didn't seem to work! Not sure why I can't post the pic.......sorry about that. Was hoping to learn a bit from you experienced goat hunters. Sorry that the pic won't post.
 
There we go! Got the pic up.

Obviously the two kids in the pic may lead you to think it's a nanny. But it could be a Billy bringing up the rear and the nanny is just out of frame. Also, the horns seem to have that sharper curve at the top like a nanny, but seems to have mass like a Billy. I'm no goat expert, but seems like an exceptional goat either way. interested in hearing comments from those of you experienced goat hunters.

Thanks
 
If that is the only picture I had to go by, I would say nanny.

Eliminate the kids and I would probably still say nanny. There seems to be a sharper turn at the very end of the horns, than a Billy would have. I am thinking just an older nanny.
 
The kids are kind of a give away but of course we can't see what else is around them.


I would say nanny. look at how the horns curve back at the tip. bases don't look very heavy for the length. hard to tell much from the coat the time of year that picture was taken.


I've hunted them several times and I wouldn't shoot that goat even if the kids weren't there. I haven't been wrong yet but I sure won't say I'm an expert.









Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-21-17 AT 10:20AM (MST)[p]I know nothing of goats but don't those horns seem exceptionally tall? Like photoshop tall?

Edit: I'm not trying to make assumptions, just curious what others notice. They seem huge even if it were a billy.
 
I agree, Those horns seem TALL and the mass isn't all that bad either.

The shape of the tipped-back horn-tips and the length of the horns scream nanny but the mass is 'off the chart' for a girl!

Helluva critter.

Zeke
 
Could be an exceptional Nanny with unusual mass at the bases, and outstanding length on the horns. But the head size of Mountain Goats can make a big difference in how big the horns appear to be. Would need some other pics to be a little more certain. A side view of the head, or a rear view between the legs would be more conclusive.
 
Thanks for the comments all.

I thought that the horns seemed exceptionally tall, with exceptional mass also. I wish there were a few more pics with some different angles. Maybe this particular angle just makes the horns seem larger than they are.....I don't know.

Anyway, I'm just trying my to educate myself a bit more in regards to goats, as I anticipate my father drawing a tag this year. This pic stuck out. Thanks for your comments
 
One of the key characteristics when looking at horns is the gap between the horns. Usually with a mature billy, there really is very little gap, and with Nannies it's quite noticeable. Here that gap looks Billy all the way.

That said, I agree with everyone else on the shape.

Man those horns seem long for any Mt Goat.

When I had my Idaho Tag, the good thing I learned while scouting, then hunting, is how often, if you are patient, they will eventually "lift their leg" and let you get the ultimate confirm of sex.
 
You don't want to go by length much. a 13" nanny was taken in BC. I believe the longest horns on record are from a nanny actually.

It's about the cruve and the mass.



Duncan Gilchrist wrote the most informative book on goats I've ever seen if you can still find one.








Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Hi Mtnrunner. Thanks for the information about the RMGA. They have some great information. Coincidentally, I happened to find the he original link/story to the pic I posted in this thread with the big nanny. Here is the link to that pic, and according to the story it is a big nanny from Washington state. Thanks!
 
Not only kind of thin and going striaigt up before an abrupt turn back, not much black leather at the base. Nanny for sure. But a long nanny!
 
When looking at goats for gender identity, I have found that the billies have that big black gland right at the back side of the base. They are real easy to identify once you know that and start seeing them while looking through glass. If the horns don't give it away then just look at the base and determine if the goat has that big black gland. Nannies really don't posses that at least in my experience.
 
The pads at the base are not a good indicator. I have heard many people say this. However first hand experience has shown some pretty big pads on nannys. Hunters on the unit were positive my brothers nanny was a billy do to the pads. He had a nanny tag so we made sure. Undercarriages proved us right as she was a smoker nanny. Also have seen several other hunters with either sex permits shoot "nice" billies based on the pads they could see in the spotting scope only to be disappointed when they walked up on big nannys after the shot. Lots of ways to identify sex on goats but I don't think the pads is a safe bet.
 

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