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bzobell
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I don't know if this is way too far fetched, but are there any guides out there that will run dogs on any of the lion quota units for less than 2 grand?
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BIGFOOT46
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Yes there are some who will for gas money. Don't tell Ike he will blow a gasket if he thinks you are easing in on some of his prey.
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Gauge
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I think you will have a hard time finding someone to take you on one of the harvest objective units. It's a lot harder to find a lion on a lot of those units. If you had a limited entry tag it might be easier to find a mature lion.
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Ike
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-12 AT 08:32AM (MST)[p]Thanks for sticking up for ol' Ike Kevin, makes me feel good!
I'll take him for a day rate, but the only promise I'll make is it might take anywhere from one to fifteen days to kill a nice tom lion--no ********* killing over my dogs unless its a problem lion for DWR.........
Now I said that but it might not be so cause my outfitter might say hell no!
http://www.ingramwildlife.com/picture.htm
I'll take him for a day rate, but the only promise I'll make is it might take anywhere from one to fifteen days to kill a nice tom lion--no ********* killing over my dogs unless its a problem lion for DWR.........
Now I said that but it might not be so cause my outfitter might say hell no!
http://www.ingramwildlife.com/picture.htm
LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-12 AT 12:17PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-12 AT 12:12?PM (MST)
I know Ike, it feels weird being on then same side for a change, but we probably agree on more issues than we disagree on.....like this one.
Bigfoot, any houndsman that agrees to take a hunter out for gas money is an idiot and I'll tell you why. A few years ago a friend from Idaho agreed to take a couple friends of a friend out on an elk hunt for a week. He packed them in on mules, cooked their meals, and bought the majority of the food. He was hunting himself and was just letting those two tag along and basically share a camp with him. But at the end of the hunt, one of the guys offered him $200 to help cover his gas and groceries. Turns out the guys were undercover F&G guys and my friend got busted for outfitting without a license. He lost in court and had his hunting privileges revoked for two years.
Now, if I was a fishcop looking to bust some poor hound dogger for outfitting without a license, the first place I'd go is one of these forums and start looking for a discounted hunt. I believe $100 is the limit that can be legally accepted as compensation for a hunt in Utah, and a houndsman is likely to burn through that in fuel in one day. If it takes two or three or even ten days to get a lion, and the houndsman accepts more than the $100 compensation for expenses he may be entitled to, then he is in violation of the law and the fishcops know it.
Any houndsman that accepts taking a hunter for gas money is setting himself up to get busted because he is likely to spend more than $100 in fuel. I dunno, but a tank or two of gas is not worth losing my hunting privileges over. Sorry all you wannabe lion hunters out there, but you're on your own.
I know Ike, it feels weird being on then same side for a change, but we probably agree on more issues than we disagree on.....like this one.
Bigfoot, any houndsman that agrees to take a hunter out for gas money is an idiot and I'll tell you why. A few years ago a friend from Idaho agreed to take a couple friends of a friend out on an elk hunt for a week. He packed them in on mules, cooked their meals, and bought the majority of the food. He was hunting himself and was just letting those two tag along and basically share a camp with him. But at the end of the hunt, one of the guys offered him $200 to help cover his gas and groceries. Turns out the guys were undercover F&G guys and my friend got busted for outfitting without a license. He lost in court and had his hunting privileges revoked for two years.
Now, if I was a fishcop looking to bust some poor hound dogger for outfitting without a license, the first place I'd go is one of these forums and start looking for a discounted hunt. I believe $100 is the limit that can be legally accepted as compensation for a hunt in Utah, and a houndsman is likely to burn through that in fuel in one day. If it takes two or three or even ten days to get a lion, and the houndsman accepts more than the $100 compensation for expenses he may be entitled to, then he is in violation of the law and the fishcops know it.
Any houndsman that accepts taking a hunter for gas money is setting himself up to get busted because he is likely to spend more than $100 in fuel. I dunno, but a tank or two of gas is not worth losing my hunting privileges over. Sorry all you wannabe lion hunters out there, but you're on your own.
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Ike
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-12 AT 12:50PM (MST)[p]Well Kevin you are correct on just about issue and you're not gonna get an argument out of me. Honesty is always the best policy and its easier to hunt alone and walk away than end up in conflict with the fish and game. I got slammed on here by a bunch of non houndsmen for speaking out against illegal guiding on bears and lion hunting is no different.
There isn't any way in hell one of us can take a guy out hunting for a hundred dollars (total for the hunt) and figure that we came out ahead. I didn't kill any lions last year, although there is always a chance as you well know. I figure if that hunter doesn't pay his way then a guy should just leave that lion in the tree, and as we all know paying your way costs a ton of money--or it did us!
And that is the reason I picked up a guide license when this state mandated it....cause it wasn't free to me and therefore it shouldn't be free to any hunter that visits our sport.
There isn't any way in hell one of us can take a guy out hunting for a hundred dollars (total for the hunt) and figure that we came out ahead. I didn't kill any lions last year, although there is always a chance as you well know. I figure if that hunter doesn't pay his way then a guy should just leave that lion in the tree, and as we all know paying your way costs a ton of money--or it did us!
And that is the reason I picked up a guide license when this state mandated it....cause it wasn't free to me and therefore it shouldn't be free to any hunter that visits our sport.
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bzobell
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Definitely not looking to do anything illegal or wrong. I am just a poor man wishing for a lion hunt. Seems like things are averaging around $3500 for a five day hunt and I was wondering if there were any other options... I guess I will keep saving 
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JagarBomb
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-12 AT 05:24PM (MST)[p]Hey Brock,
You will find it. Just don't go looking for it on a public forum. Houndsman are like a bunch of schoolgirls. Drama, drama, he is hunting in my area, he kills females, blaugh, blaugh. Truth is these guys get access to ground because they kill cats. If they TELL the landowner they let one walk. No more access. Every houndsman is a liar or they only hunt public ground. The truth hurts houndman. Find a good houndsman off these sites or pay the fee.
If you want a totally legit hunt for about 3k in northern Utah email me.
You will find it. Just don't go looking for it on a public forum. Houndsman are like a bunch of schoolgirls. Drama, drama, he is hunting in my area, he kills females, blaugh, blaugh. Truth is these guys get access to ground because they kill cats. If they TELL the landowner they let one walk. No more access. Every houndsman is a liar or they only hunt public ground. The truth hurts houndman. Find a good houndsman off these sites or pay the fee.
If you want a totally legit hunt for about 3k in northern Utah email me.
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Ike
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-12 AT 05:27PM (MST)[p]>Hey Brock,
Houndsman are
>like a bunch of schoolgirls.
>Every houndsman is
>a liar or they only
>hunt public ground. The truth
>hurts houndman. Find a good
>houndsman off these sites or
>pay the fee.
>If you want a totally legit
>hunt for about 3k in
>northern Utah email me.
Let me get this straight, you say "every houndsmen is a liar" so "Find a good houndsman off these sites or pay the fee."
"If you want a totally legit hunt for about 3k in northern Utah email me."
So we are to believe that you and this houndsmen you know are both honest and no one on the net is? ;-)
Houndsman are
>like a bunch of schoolgirls.
>Every houndsman is
>a liar or they only
>hunt public ground. The truth
>hurts houndman. Find a good
>houndsman off these sites or
>pay the fee.
>If you want a totally legit
>hunt for about 3k in
>northern Utah email me.
Let me get this straight, you say "every houndsmen is a liar" so "Find a good houndsman off these sites or pay the fee."
"If you want a totally legit hunt for about 3k in northern Utah email me."
So we are to believe that you and this houndsmen you know are both honest and no one on the net is? ;-)
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So is $3,000+ the going rate for a licensed houndsman to take out a cougar hunter? Or are there folks (licensed and legal) who would do it for $1000+? Just asking....because I don't know but really am wondering. And would it make a difference if the tag was LE vs. Harvest Objective?
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Ike
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Good question, and it'll be fun to hear any answers. I spoke a guide to Colorado the other day and ask him if I sent a hunter his way what would it cost them. He answered $4500 bucks for five days, so that was his price.....lets hear some more.
Well I'm not a licensed guide but have guided for outfitters in the past.....i know everyone thinks there's thousands of lions but to be honest....$1000 bucks doesn't buy a Weeks worth of fuel hardly.....let alone wear and tear and insurance etc.... I can see someone charging a day rate but no way $1000 for a lion hunt around here
$4500 seems about average for a full time outfitter. I know that's a lot of money so I can offer any of you guys a screaming deal to just rent my equipment and dogs.
My 5 dogs...................................................$500 per day
Tracking equipment, shock collars...........$200 per day
Experienced tracker..................................$250 per day
My truck with dog box..............................$200 per day
My sled & trailer.......................................$150per day
My 4 wheeler set up to haul hounds.......$100 per day
Horses, tack & trailer................................$200 per day
You'll need gas..........................................$120 per day
Vet bills......................................................$300 per week
Total 5 day DIY lion hunt..........................$8900
If you think that's high then add in the cost to buy & train dogs, dog food, vet bills, gas to keep hounds in shape, leashes, collars, dog housing, kennel maintenance. Hay for horses, registration on 4 wheeler, sled, truck, 3 trailers. Oh yeah and be sure to keep about 10k around for a good divorce attorney for when your wife has enough of you spending countless days & nights on the mountain looking for lost dogs.
Huh, maybe $4500 ain't so bad for a fully guided lion hunt?
My 5 dogs...................................................$500 per day
Tracking equipment, shock collars...........$200 per day
Experienced tracker..................................$250 per day
My truck with dog box..............................$200 per day
My sled & trailer.......................................$150per day
My 4 wheeler set up to haul hounds.......$100 per day
Horses, tack & trailer................................$200 per day
You'll need gas..........................................$120 per day
Vet bills......................................................$300 per week
Total 5 day DIY lion hunt..........................$8900
If you think that's high then add in the cost to buy & train dogs, dog food, vet bills, gas to keep hounds in shape, leashes, collars, dog housing, kennel maintenance. Hay for horses, registration on 4 wheeler, sled, truck, 3 trailers. Oh yeah and be sure to keep about 10k around for a good divorce attorney for when your wife has enough of you spending countless days & nights on the mountain looking for lost dogs.
Huh, maybe $4500 ain't so bad for a fully guided lion hunt?
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Ike
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-25-12 AT 03:54PM (MST)[p]mgd, now that is telling them huh? And I'll agree with you a hundred percent, by the time one of us lion guides figure out what it cost us to hunt lions why should be feel sorry for a visitor to our sport? I figure I have over a hundred thousand dollars in my equipment, dog training and time learning the sport and country I hunt. Soooo, why would I give it away for nothing? Too many people don't understand how few nice toms roam any of these ranges, and taking one out doesn't only effect me it effects all the other guides and people who just enjoy running their dogs. Its no different than Doyle Moss giving away the Spider bull right? I mean there are plenty more where that bull came from huh?
If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times: if us doggers had to pay for our sport then why should a visitor with no previous investment get by for nothing??????????/
Keep'emn treed,
Ike
If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times: if us doggers had to pay for our sport then why should a visitor with no previous investment get by for nothing??????????/
Keep'emn treed,
Ike
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Ike
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JagarBomb
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OK ?OK? I admit I had had a few JagarBombs and was upset at another forum author when I wrote that last post. So I apologize about the rude generalization comment. However, the jist of what I said is in a way true. Outfitters and landowners want the cats exterminated. All Cats?Bobs, females, spots, they don't care. A houndsman who has access is supposed to rid the world of these deer eaters, bird eaters. The DWR makes it legal to kill all of them. And that is what the outfitter/landowner expects you to do, any and all. There are more houndsman than cats in my opinion (mature toms anyway). Everyone is fighting for the same thing. I know there is not the amount of deer eaters as the average deer hunter/landowner thinks.
Then Utah passes laws about Use permits and guide licenses?etc. Hence my frustration about the other forum where someone thinks they can solicit dog service for a fee that has no license (but that's OK because it's private ground). To that end, they can't actually catch cats either (sorry just one more dig). So do houndsman want to kill cats with spots or females? Heck no, they need to keep their sport alive. So does one lie about the other?yes they do. I know this doesn't make up for my stereotyping, but I hope it helps.
Then Utah passes laws about Use permits and guide licenses?etc. Hence my frustration about the other forum where someone thinks they can solicit dog service for a fee that has no license (but that's OK because it's private ground). To that end, they can't actually catch cats either (sorry just one more dig). So do houndsman want to kill cats with spots or females? Heck no, they need to keep their sport alive. So does one lie about the other?yes they do. I know this doesn't make up for my stereotyping, but I hope it helps.
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Ike
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-26-12 AT 09:25PM (MST)[p]The last time I loaded dogs I cut three bobcats, one lion, one bear, and a couple dozen coyote tracks--maybe more. If there is a deer hunter out there that believes that single lion is killing more deer than the yotes--when out numbered thirty or forty to one--then it would be a waste of time to converse with him. It is my understanding that we have a $50 bounty on those yotes now, and in my opinion DWR shouldn't sell any hunter a tag unless he brings the ears in from a couple coyotes. If people ever want to see a deer herd in this state again they should spend more time hunting coyotes and less time complaining to DWR about mountain lions....
Thinking back, i have only had one female lion killed over my dogs since 2001, and that was a young female taken at DWR request and with their supervision on a young cat that was laid up near a bunch of campers in a State Park. I asked them to get a dart gun and move the cat, but they explained if that hunter didn't take the cat they would have to. I have never told a landowner that I would take a female or remove cats from his property unless it was a good tom, and for the most part I only hunt public lands and on harvest objective units. Furthermore, if I had my way every unit in this state would be under harvest objective. To me, an old tom lion is worth more than any buck deer or bull elk on the mountain.......end of story!
Long story short, I haven't bought a deer tag since 1997 or 98...
Thinking back, i have only had one female lion killed over my dogs since 2001, and that was a young female taken at DWR request and with their supervision on a young cat that was laid up near a bunch of campers in a State Park. I asked them to get a dart gun and move the cat, but they explained if that hunter didn't take the cat they would have to. I have never told a landowner that I would take a female or remove cats from his property unless it was a good tom, and for the most part I only hunt public lands and on harvest objective units. Furthermore, if I had my way every unit in this state would be under harvest objective. To me, an old tom lion is worth more than any buck deer or bull elk on the mountain.......end of story!
Long story short, I haven't bought a deer tag since 1997 or 98...
FullCryHounds
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If I'm hired to catch a cat for a client, it will cost you $6500. However, I run my hunts a little different then most. On our contract, there is no end date on it, the hunt is over when you kill your cat. In the past twelve years, I've never sent a hunter home without a cat, we are 100% on our hunts. All toms except for one female that was taken because I got a call while out with a client about a depredation lion and the client was more then happy to shoot it.
There's plenty of outfitters that will be glad to take you out for much less but you also have a good chance of going home without a cat or with a female. So now that bargain $3500 lion hunt is going to cost you $7000 plus double the time off work and double the trip expenses. Now your lion costs you over $10,000. Or are you having to go back again next year because you still didn't get your cat?
There's plenty of outfitters that will be glad to take you out for much less but you also have a good chance of going home without a cat or with a female. So now that bargain $3500 lion hunt is going to cost you $7000 plus double the time off work and double the trip expenses. Now your lion costs you over $10,000. Or are you having to go back again next year because you still didn't get your cat?
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Ike
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-12 AT 06:33AM (MST)[p]Running down a tom lion use to be easy in Utah back in the 90s when cat populations were high and the pressure was lower. My outfitter use to charge $3500 for a ten day hunt and get an average kill in three to five days, but would extend further in poor conditions or less snow. After DWR targeted lions in this state year after year to assist deer recovery it grew harder to find and run down adult tom lions, so last time I looked we were at $7500 for a full service ten day hunt with two guides....that price eliminated resident interest in lion killing and reduce the non-resident interest except for the people who can afford it.
I know a couple local hounddoggers that had tags on the Wasatch and South Slope a year or two back (same season) and neither of them every ran down and caught a nice tom lion all winter--and it was a deep snow winter. One of those guys told me after that hunt their interest changed to bear hunting. Times are tough and producing trophy tom lions is no easy task, but there are nice toms traveling every unit I hunt and its only time, money and the dedication and interest that prevents a person from taking them. Seriously I don't believe any licensed guide will take a hunter out for $2000 bucks!
I know a couple local hounddoggers that had tags on the Wasatch and South Slope a year or two back (same season) and neither of them every ran down and caught a nice tom lion all winter--and it was a deep snow winter. One of those guys told me after that hunt their interest changed to bear hunting. Times are tough and producing trophy tom lions is no easy task, but there are nice toms traveling every unit I hunt and its only time, money and the dedication and interest that prevents a person from taking them. Seriously I don't believe any licensed guide will take a hunter out for $2000 bucks!
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Ike
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>Ike, If the price eliminated resident
>interest then why do I
>have 11 bonus points. I
>want a tag!
Well you're correct in that it doesn't eliminate interest it just slows down interest in hiring a legal guide. Typically what I've found is resident lion hunters seldom pay an outfitter or guide for a full service hunt, but rather look for deals or buddies, or barter and trade, or make a request for a free hunt on monstermuleys.
When DOPL mandated state licenses for guides and outfitters that law extended to State and DWR lands where people use to guide without a permit, but those lands are not legal unless you have a state guide license now. But in my observations, many of the tags that are drawn for are by resident hunters that have had some dogger (or friend of a friend of a friend) promise them a free hunt for gas money or good and services.
Hope that helps clarify??
>interest then why do I
>have 11 bonus points. I
>want a tag!
Well you're correct in that it doesn't eliminate interest it just slows down interest in hiring a legal guide. Typically what I've found is resident lion hunters seldom pay an outfitter or guide for a full service hunt, but rather look for deals or buddies, or barter and trade, or make a request for a free hunt on monstermuleys.
When DOPL mandated state licenses for guides and outfitters that law extended to State and DWR lands where people use to guide without a permit, but those lands are not legal unless you have a state guide license now. But in my observations, many of the tags that are drawn for are by resident hunters that have had some dogger (or friend of a friend of a friend) promise them a free hunt for gas money or good and services.
Hope that helps clarify??
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Ike
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>Come on guys!!! You cant
>add up all your gear
>and dogs and feed. You
>do it for the love
>of the game. Someone would
>like a lion help them
>out.
Lots of laughs, but when I requested that somebody take me to kill a 200" buck or a 400" bull nobody offer me a free hunt..........
>add up all your gear
>and dogs and feed. You
>do it for the love
>of the game. Someone would
>like a lion help them
>out.
Lots of laughs, but when I requested that somebody take me to kill a 200" buck or a 400" bull nobody offer me a free hunt..........
>Come on guys!!! You cant
>add up all your gear
>and dogs and feed. You
>do it for the love
>of the game. Someone would
>like a lion help them
>out.
I have a doctor that loves his job, but I still have to pay him a premium to lance my hemorrhoids. My mechanic also like what he's doing, but that doesn't mean he gives me or anybody else a discount. I know ranchers that love raising cattle, but beef buyers at the auction don't bid their steers for less because they were raised by a family that enjoys the cowboy lifestyle....need I go on?
You wanna lion?? Great, do what I did and start raising and training your own pack hounds. There's dogs out there for sale all the time. Or, you can take the cheaper route and hire a guide.
It ain't my job to scratch your itches.
>add up all your gear
>and dogs and feed. You
>do it for the love
>of the game. Someone would
>like a lion help them
>out.
I have a doctor that loves his job, but I still have to pay him a premium to lance my hemorrhoids. My mechanic also like what he's doing, but that doesn't mean he gives me or anybody else a discount. I know ranchers that love raising cattle, but beef buyers at the auction don't bid their steers for less because they were raised by a family that enjoys the cowboy lifestyle....need I go on?
You wanna lion?? Great, do what I did and start raising and training your own pack hounds. There's dogs out there for sale all the time. Or, you can take the cheaper route and hire a guide.
It ain't my job to scratch your itches.
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JagarBomb
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OK?let's get back to the original post here. If any houndsman thinks they are going to pay expenses and even come out a head they are fooling themselves. There is no Doyle Moss of cat hunting (that I know of), partially because there is far more 400? elk and 200? deer in this state than B&C lions. In addition, those hunters pay better; $6,500 for a cat hunt?????? Hope business is good because you know people I clearly do not. The original poster is looking for a cat hunt, like I said earlier don't look for it here. I don't recall him looking for a booner for free; did he ask that?no. Do houndsman spend a ton of money doing what they love?yes. Is someone going to pay their way?no. Are there doggers (licensed) that will do it for a fraction of the actual cost?yes (that's how most work).
Is $2K going to buy him a hunt on this site?no. Find a houndsman, buy him a pallet of dog food and start from there. Good luck.
Is $2K going to buy him a hunt on this site?no. Find a houndsman, buy him a pallet of dog food and start from there. Good luck.
FullCryHounds
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JB, 6500 too much? give me a call and ask to book a hunt, my next opening is 2014. Or give Byron Stewart a call up in Alberta, he's charging $9500 for his lion hunts, he's booked up for the next two seasons also. I wish I could charge as much as he does but we just don't have the 180 lb. cats here in CO. Like they do up north.
Again JagarBomb, accepting a pallet of dog food as payment for a lion hunt would be ILLEGAL unless they are a licensed guide! $100 is the maximum amount of economic compensation you can accept before you need a license. Here, read the rules: http://dopl.utah.gov/laws/58-79.pdf
Good luck finding a licensed guide accepting dog food as payment.
Good luck finding a licensed guide accepting dog food as payment.
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Ike
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I thought you'd hit him with the legal issues FullCry, you know start by buying a guy a pallet of dog food and go from there. In Utah, the minimum amount of money a person can take by state law without a guide license is $100 buck for the length of the hunt. However, if you'd illegal guiding on Forest or BLM you are not allowed to take any money "or zero dollars" without a permit. You're right on the correct dollar value FullCry, and the reason our prices went up is because of the limited number of mature toms and the days it take to run them down..........
I'll assure any of you that finding and running down a mature tom is a lot easier when the cat population is high rather than when its low. I'd like to see Doyle Moss or anybody that ever thought they were an elk hunt pull large bulls off these open bull units consistently for $6500 bucks. Anybody can do well if they corner the market and eliminate the competition...........
I'll assure any of you that finding and running down a mature tom is a lot easier when the cat population is high rather than when its low. I'd like to see Doyle Moss or anybody that ever thought they were an elk hunt pull large bulls off these open bull units consistently for $6500 bucks. Anybody can do well if they corner the market and eliminate the competition...........
jarheadhunter
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>>Come on guys!!! You cant
>>add up all your gear
>>and dogs and feed. You
>>do it for the love
>>of the game. Someone would
>>like a lion help them
>>out.
>
>I have a doctor that loves
>his job, but I still
>have to pay him a
>premium to lance my hemorrhoids.
>My mechanic also like what
>he's doing, but that doesn't
>mean he gives me or
>anybody else a discount. I
>know ranchers that love raising
>cattle, but beef buyers at
>the auction don't bid their
>steers for less because they
>were raised by a family
>that enjoys the cowboy lifestyle....need
>I go on?
Please no just let it end for the love of God.
>>add up all your gear
>>and dogs and feed. You
>>do it for the love
>>of the game. Someone would
>>like a lion help them
>>out.
>
>I have a doctor that loves
>his job, but I still
>have to pay him a
>premium to lance my hemorrhoids.
>My mechanic also like what
>he's doing, but that doesn't
>mean he gives me or
>anybody else a discount. I
>know ranchers that love raising
>cattle, but beef buyers at
>the auction don't bid their
>steers for less because they
>were raised by a family
>that enjoys the cowboy lifestyle....need
>I go on?
Please no just let it end for the love of God.
Once again. When has "Doggers" ever folowed all the rules? The only reason there is even a guide licence bull Shiiit is because of greedy outfitters. "I dont want any other guy on my public ground guiding" But me BOO HOO. If you have a tag where there is 200" deer or 400" Bulls Call me I would love to help. I Love to hunt. The whole guide licence pis--es me off. And use permits well utah has to get there chunk of every pie. I understand wanting to only kill big mature toms, I get that. But Most houndsmen are out there running anyway right. I dint see the harm if you need to cover the gas and maybe food. BUT 8500.00
WOW. Now who's getting greety?
WOW. Now who's getting greety?
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JagarBomb
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Wow we're just throwing everything out there. The original post was about UT, not Canada or CO. Also, I said in the original post legal guide, so yes he can accept a pallet of food. Your arguments are vein because you can't stay on topic. We agree to disagree, have a good hunting season, the snow will be here soon.
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Ike
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>I don't know if this is
>way too far fetched, but
>are there any guides out
>there that will run dogs
>on any of the lion
>quota units for less than
>2 grand?
So where does he mention Utah?
>way too far fetched, but
>are there any guides out
>there that will run dogs
>on any of the lion
>quota units for less than
>2 grand?
So where does he mention Utah?
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smalltownkid
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You should be able to find someone that will do it for gas money. Depending on where you are I know alot of people that just love to go chase especially if you will find the track
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carnyman
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I'm for the free market system and believe you get what you pay for. I've seen with the guys i ride with that not all packs our equal and just because they turn loose doesn't me they have dogs equal to the task. Hound hunts in my opinion are something to do a lot of research on. My advice : save up and do it right the first time. If you don't get high as a kite listening to the race you got issues. I don't own hounds myself but love to hear 'em run. Seeing what's in the tree is like opening Christmas presents.
