txhunter58
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HAHA. I love it, we must limit all archery hunting. Both resident and nonresident. It is vital.... But lets allow unlimited OTC in both the 2nd and third rifle. We must have that...
Sad that they cant allow the residents the ability to hunt OTC and only limit the NR? NR caps is far better than forcing everyone to limited draw.
The recommended option is everyone is limited for archery by DAU/GMU. Yet they are keeping the rifle seasons in the same units unlimited.... That is the issue. Resident should not have to go limited at all until all residents are totally limited.That is one option, but is not the recommended one. Talk to the powers that vote on the final regs (commisioners?) and they could overrule the cpw. Its happened before. Somethings needs to be done.
I sure hope they move the seasons back to the previous dates for 2nd and 3rd. Too much hunting in rut and too many big bucks being killed.
The recommended option is everyone is limited for archery by DAU/GMU. Yet they are keeping the rifle seasons in the same units unlimited.... That is the issue. Resident should not have to go limited at all until all residents are totally limited.
I think you are missing the issue. Archery hunters will now be limited, both resident and non resident in the same units they can buy OTC. You may get lucky and get a leftover but otherwise now there is a whole pile of archery guys with5, 10, 15, 20 points who will have to use those points or face not drawing the tag and archery hunting at all. All those guys will then be forced into the 2nd and 3rd OTC units making even more issues for the rifle crowding…Go down to rifle OTC options:
Alternative #1 is to limit NRs and no change for residents in OTC units. That is what you need to talk up with the commisioners. If enough residents do that, they might adopt it.
Now you're just describing everyone I know down here in the southwest units that got taken out of the otc units a few years ago.I think you are missing the issue. Archery hunters will now be limited, both resident and non resident in the same units they can buy OTC. You may get lucky and get a leftover but otherwise now there is a whole pile of archery guys with5, 10, 15, 20 points who will have to use those points or face not drawing the tag and archery hunting at all. All those guys will then be forced into the 2nd and 3rd OTC units making even more issues for the rifle crowding…
Good.I think you are missing the issue. Archery hunters will now be limited, both resident and non resident in the same units they can buy OTC. You may get lucky and get a leftover but otherwise now there is a whole pile of archery guys with5, 10, 15, 20 points who will have to use those points or face not drawing the tag and archery hunting at all.
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So bow hunters should use their points but rifle hunters shouldn't have to.Good.
Preference points should be used. That is literally what they are for. To help you get a tag.
I dont see what the problem is.
Yep and that was an absolute bs move as well. It sucks in every way. And every step the CPW is doing exactly the opposite of what the surveys and the people are saying.Now you're just describing everyone I know down here in the southwest units that got taken out of the otc units a few years ago.
Then do it across the board. Why single put the resident archery hunters and not the rifle hunters?Good.
Preference points should be used. That is literally what they are for. To help you get a tag.
I dont see what the problem is.
So bow hunters should use their points but rifle hunters shouldn't have to.
I say again: The hunters who get the best tags are the ones who bow hunt least(contribute less). That's just wrong.
Then do it across the board. Why single put the resident archery hunters and not the rifle hunters?
So bow hunters should use their points but rifle hunters shouldn't have to.
I say again: The hunters who get the best tags are the ones who bow hunt least(contribute less). That's just wrong.
Conversely, rifle success is 2x’s higher than Archery tags…Archery season occurs during the rut. The number of hunters should be limited, regardless of weapon. The free for all must end. Just because you wear face paint and sling an arrow doesnt mean you dont have an impact.
Where is your data to prove that archery elk is having an impact on the rut and pregnancy rates? You make such a claim back it up with data.Archery season occurs during the rut. The number of hunters should be limited, regardless of weapon. The free for all must end. Just because you wear face paint and sling an arrow doesnt mean you dont have an impact.
No, they left it out since it is the biggest money maker for the state. I think most residents ( myself included) wanted otc to go away for NR, and stay for R. After that it seemed like everyone would be okay if all OTC went away completely, but keeping otc where the harvest rates are 2x’s that of archery makes very little sense. Something tells me this year otc archery will be even more nuts as everyone knows it is going away and they will be trying to get a point for 2025 seasonIm good with doing away with OTC rifle elk tags as well. Have never participated in that portion of the season. Obviously they left it out because it would cause the most uproar amongst residents.
No, they left it out since it is the biggest money maker for the state. I think most residents ( myself included) wanted otc to go away for NR, and stay for R. After that it seemed like everyone would be okay if all OTC went away completely, but keeping otc where the harvest rates are 2x’s that of archery makes very little sense. Something tells me this year otc archery will be even more nuts as everyone knows it is going away and they will be trying to get a point for 2025 season
That 700 dollar archery grouse tag gets expensive for the NR lolThat too for sure!!
Archery will likely be a Zoo this year, more so than the last 3 or 4 years. Last chance! Either way, limiting access during september is a good idea. The FS roads were getting too crowded, grouse were becoming hard to come by
I think you have to many days on that 3rd season hunt.It's not there:
If they go back to the old dates it should be:
1st 10/11-10/15
2nd 10/18-10/26
3rd 11/1-11/11
It would be fun, I’d like to try it aswell. Hunting is usually tough that time of the year thoughI would love to have a 1st season deer tag
Just remember that they would need to take tags from the later seasons to put tags back in first rifle. That means more point creep for later seasons.I would love to have a 1st season deer tag
Ok? Still want a 1st season. Just give me a tag.Just remember that they would need to take tags from the later seasons to put tags back in first rifle. That means more point creep for later seasons.
I for one do NOT want deer hunters running around in my 1st season elk unit that I have waited 15+ years to hunt!I LOVE both the recommendation to allow deer hunting during 1st rifle season as well as the recommendation to move the whole season structure back to the earlier dates.
I don't agree at all with them giving first season deer tags anywhere in the state. The idea should be to give the deer a little relief so they can make some sort of a comeback. I bet a lot of people would be surprised at how many bucks would be taken if they offered a first season hunt.I for one do NOT want deer hunters running around in my 1st season elk unit that I have waited 15+ years to hunt!
I will just walk or skip.I for one do NOT want deer hunters running around in my 1st season elk unit that I have waited 15+ years to hunt!
Many of those deer hunters who spend 10s of points on 4th season tags say the same exact thing about elk hunters I know I have.I for one do NOT want deer hunters running around in my 1st season elk unit that I have waited 15+ years to hunt!
I might be wrong, but I think the dates would be a week later.If they go back to the earlier dates in 2025 it will look somewhat like this
1st rifle: 10/11-10/15
2nd rifle: 10/18-10/26
3rd rifle: 11/01-11/09
4th rifle: 11/12-11/16
I don't agree at all with them giving first season deer tags anywhere in the state. The idea should be to give the deer a little relief so they can make some sort of a comeback. I bet a lot of people would be surprised at how many bucks would be taken if they offered a first season hunt.
I have as well when I burned 16 points on a 4th season buck tag. Maybe 1st rifle is for elk only and 4th season is for buck only or just not have a 4th season?Many of those deer hunters who spend 10s of points on 4th season tags say the same exact thing about elk hunters I know I have.
My point exactly.This is very true. Where I hunt, I see tons of deer, nice bucks to boot, during 1st season elk. Right before 2nd season they usually begin their mirgration and become much harder to find until they pop up on the winter grounds.
How about taking MZ out of the overlap with Archery and making the 1st season combined deer an elk Muzzy. Then make 4th Season a separate Muzzy Only season.
Yep. Interested in the outcome. Got points to burn and tags to fill!Not an option. The time for new thoughts is past. They will vote on one of the presented alternatives.
only if you are funding them...or in a commissioners back pocketI understand, I thought this was a dream thread and CPW would actually listen to hunters. What was I thinking?
You mean polis’s husbands back pocket…only if you are funding them...or in a commissioners back pocket
You mean polis’s husbands back pocket…
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