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What’s everyone have to say about this?
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What’s everyone have to say about this?
Hunting406
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I agree 100% not a big fan of the guy but I agreed with what he had to say
I say go for it Wyoming! As Randy mentioned, states can go 100 - 0 across the board but there will likely be consequences to residents.
Residents tag prices will increase dramatically. There also may be fewer big game critters running across the landscape if there isn't financial support for improvement projects from outside funding sources as well as license revenue.
A great example of this is Wyoming elk where 1 nonres special priced elk tag sold contributes the same $ as 34 resident tags. There could potentially be 1 nonres elk shot with 1 special tag vs 34 elk shot by residents to generate the same revenue. My guess is that Wyo res aren't willing to pay $1,950 for the same number of nonres special tags? This doesn't account for every nonres paying a pref pt fee each and every year.
Randy didn't mention the revenue generated by nonres (both guided and nonguided) to local economies. We all are aware of the revenue publications, charts, and articles I've shared in the past.
Wyo's boom and bust economy certainly is everything but stable. I say go for it Wyo....the WG&F, Wyo res, and wildlife will be the ones that ultimately suffer!
Colorado is a prime example of fantastic opportunity for nonresident hunters even with the recent slight decrease in tag quotas. It's pretty evident by the outcry from local small town business what nonresidents contribute to these economies.
If Wyo wants to go 90/10 or 100/0 it's their decision but they will likely pay for it!
Residents tag prices will increase dramatically. There also may be fewer big game critters running across the landscape if there isn't financial support for improvement projects from outside funding sources as well as license revenue.
A great example of this is Wyoming elk where 1 nonres special priced elk tag sold contributes the same $ as 34 resident tags. There could potentially be 1 nonres elk shot with 1 special tag vs 34 elk shot by residents to generate the same revenue. My guess is that Wyo res aren't willing to pay $1,950 for the same number of nonres special tags? This doesn't account for every nonres paying a pref pt fee each and every year.
Randy didn't mention the revenue generated by nonres (both guided and nonguided) to local economies. We all are aware of the revenue publications, charts, and articles I've shared in the past.
Wyo's boom and bust economy certainly is everything but stable. I say go for it Wyo....the WG&F, Wyo res, and wildlife will be the ones that ultimately suffer!
Colorado is a prime example of fantastic opportunity for nonresident hunters even with the recent slight decrease in tag quotas. It's pretty evident by the outcry from local small town business what nonresidents contribute to these economies.
If Wyo wants to go 90/10 or 100/0 it's their decision but they will likely pay for it!
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If I could apply for NR special tags at the higher fee as well as the resident draw, I'd do it in a heart beat. Double my chances of drawing...all day long.
BuzzH
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Oh yeah, Colorado cuts tags 30% Sebastian calks that "slight". Wyoming wants to cut NRs 6-10%....holy chit, the world is spinning off it's axis.
- Nonresident license allocation modified: Big-game license allocation for bear, deer, elk and pronghorn has been modified from 65% for residents and 35% for nonresidents to 75% for residents and 25% for nonresidents for most hunt codes. High-demand hunt codes remain at 80% for residents and 20% for nonresidents.
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Not math much? When you drop something from 35 to 25, that's a 29% reduction (I rounded to 30).
You didn’t factor in that high demand nonres tags remained the exact same with no drop in nonres tags.
It comes down to Colo being the most nonres friendly state in the Western US. Even with minor decreases in 2024, nonres get 25% or 20% of limited deer, elk, and antelope tags. Add on to that unlimited elk. Add on to that landowner tag options....and on to that left-over/returned tag options!
Buzz is the best in the business for bending and twirking facts!
The fact is, Colo remains a great state for nonres opportunity! Thank you Wyo for also offers decent OYO type hunter opportunity!
It comes down to Colo being the most nonres friendly state in the Western US. Even with minor decreases in 2024, nonres get 25% or 20% of limited deer, elk, and antelope tags. Add on to that unlimited elk. Add on to that landowner tag options....and on to that left-over/returned tag options!
Buzz is the best in the business for bending and twirking facts!
The fact is, Colo remains a great state for nonres opportunity! Thank you Wyo for also offers decent OYO type hunter opportunity!
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Cutting NR tag allocation from 35% to 25% is a 28.5% reduction in tags available to NRs. That’s simple math. And pretty darn close to a 30% cut.
Bluehair
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Colorado has the best nonresident opportunity…….because we charge you less to walk around in the woods with the other tourists.
Can one of you math whizzez make a 25 column spreadsheet that also factors success rates into your Chamber of Commerce rating speeches? Thanks…
Can one of you math whizzez make a 25 column spreadsheet that also factors success rates into your Chamber of Commerce rating speeches? Thanks…
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Bluehair
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If I had to guess, I would say CO and UT have the lowest NR success rates. But since CO just guesses at that anyway I suppose we’ll never know.
Bluehair
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What does that have to do with success rates? By that measure, JJ is the greatest hunter of the modern era.
Yeah, the hunting was pretty good before the woods got full of tourists.
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Utah is a garbage state with no animals and an extremely high fee rate.
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If you think about it, many states are probably almost 98-2 or so as it is. Sure there are some opportunity tags that they just throw out there to generate funding but the harvest rates are so low they arent worried about the animals harvested. Utah and Arizona come to mind, for anyone starting out now or even in the last 5 years, you will likely get 1 or if your lucky, maybe 2 high demand tags in your lifetime as a NR.
In the case of Utah especially, if you look at the cost of applying for 20+ years to maybe, maybe, have a shot at a high demand tag, you would be money ahead to simply just buy a hunt elsewhere.
In the case of Utah especially, if you look at the cost of applying for 20+ years to maybe, maybe, have a shot at a high demand tag, you would be money ahead to simply just buy a hunt elsewhere.
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Was just thinking why are we talking about this again. States are going to do what states are going to do.
backcountrybutcher
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Why not have some sort of state coalition that guides fairness and equity among all stakeholders. For instance, Colorado, Nevada, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, Montana, California, etc. band together, and say we want to not only protect our own state opportunity and financial security, but also the opportunity for our citizens to go elsewhere. That’s the part that’s missing from my perspective. Residents don’t only want to hunt their own state; if states looked at the big picture, I think they would realize they could be more financially secure and spread their wealth for their own residence and give opportunity to Nrs at the same time.
backcountrybutcher
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Through this sort of coalition, they could unify prices and /or nr/resident tag allocations. When states only look out for their own interest, a very small percentage of people win all the others lose.
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That ratio of NR to resident hunters is fairly stacked toward the east.
Should we start by making CA residents share ONE cow elk tag from all the other western states? Since one cow tag is all CA typically gives to NRs.
Should Oregon residents only have a chance at 3% of pronghorn tags across the west since Oregon only allows 3% NR allocation on pronghorn?
Should SD residents get 0% of NR elk, sheep & mtn goat tags across the west? Because SD has more than 10 tags for each of those species and keeps 100% of that opportunity for residents.
Reciprocal treatment. If a state has the species, you only get to take the same % you share.
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125 bucks for a antelope? For youth
