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I think this new proposal is splitting hairs a bit. I don’t see a huge practical difference in making one point pool per species versus the restrictions gundog2 is suggesting. Either way, it forces people to decide what they really value, and I’m becoming more of a believer in that as the days...

They don’t like the CC companies stealing their thunder. Emails will go out first again.

Goodness…

I really don’t care about that topic, but it seems to be the only thing that you are concerned with. There are some numbers for you. And maybe someone will give him a pardon for the butt kicking he’s going to take in the election. He’s going to lose. What does Trump say about people that...

I honestly didn’t know this was a thing until this thread. This is funny!

Then we agree he isn’t dumb. So that means he isn’t serious about this and just seeking attention, which means none of us should give him any.

Nothing outside of what the press releases say about her. I’m not mad at him at all. I just don’t like how he conducts himself. It’s my opinion that I don’t think he’s serious about any of this and just seeking attention. How does one pick an ineligible running mate? You either aren’t serious...

It won’t matter. He’s going to be beaten soundly in the primary. Utah as a whole is way too smart to put that guy in charge. I’m not even convinced he wants it. I think he just wants attention.

Especially this one. At least he’s not going to the pokey for this publicity stunt.

And that post was in total jest. I didn’t know that Utah and Wyoming fought over everything, I’ve clearly missed something, but I figured I had to throw gas on the fire. No offense Wyoming. It was just a joke! I promise I’ll still buy lotto tickets.

Idaho is like Utah’s little brother. Wyoming thinks they are, but they aren’t. Wyoming is the weird third cousin that every once in a while has a fun party that you go attend due to the other guests that show up but never invite him to anything of yours.

If Lyman would have used some of those campaign funds to pay a lawyer $0.59 for some advice before picking a Lt Gov running mate then he might have picked someone that actually met the residency requirements.

I'm not sure that is even the case. When school went back into session the next fall Herbert was still the governor. Cox didn't take office until January 2021, so all the masking, quarantine junk that the new school year brought in was still under Herbert. Of course Cox was in the...

Another meltdown in 3…2…

Hey Hoss, you do realize that Cox was not governor when Utah schools shut down, right? It was Gary Herbert at the time. Not arguing whether the acts were right or wrong, just pointing out that you’re naming the wrong governor.

Ha!

Yes. How many you got?

Lyman is worthless. Whether anyone likes Cox or not, we need to realize that he’s going to win this primary in a total landslide. He might win the primary by a larger percentage than he will win the general election. We need to quit putting people like Phil Lyman on tickets for major political...

I’m guessing his probation is 36 months, and these are simply terms of probation. It’s not like the interstate compact bans, but just a judge saying while you’re on probation, these are the terms. Violate, and I’ll send you to prison. I like it!

Except I don’t shed hunt. And Utah hasn’t put a shed season in place for nonresidents. But it’s finally becoming clear what you’re crying about. You like coming to Utah to “poach our sheds” and you’re worried they will put regulations on that. So now I’m 100% in favor of doing so just so I can...

😂😂😂 Those poor people! I hope they’ll be okay after that “labeling.”

Did BGnight just say Utah shed hunters are better at it than Nevada shed hunters?

I’ve never picked up a shed in my life and I couldn’t care less what each state’s regs regarding residents vs nonresidents are. My statement about crying in other states on a thread about an Antelope Island shed hunt remains. Maybe even more so than the first time I said it!

It’s funny to me to see some of the most ardent convention only supporters now saying that the behavior of these delegates may cost them the convention entirely. That it may push Utah into direct primaries and scrap the convention entirely. That would be a natural consequence to this clown...

Couldn’t agree more about the conversation being hopeless.

I didn’t bring it up. You did. You are the one that said one or two helpers and anything else violates fair chase. I was just wondering how your ethics would work out my problem for me. I want to be ethical, after all! But mostly just wanted to show how ridiculous of a statement I think that...

I was told only one, maybe two non-tag holders should be allowed on hunts. Any more than that would be a violation of fair chase. I was just responding to the opinion shared with a question asking for advice if I followed that opinion.

But this proposal shared isn’t about CWMU’s and making their operators happy. It’s about moving people through the deer pool and point creep. If we are serious about addressing point creep, how CWMU operators feel about selling their tags should not crack the top 100 issues to consider when...

Or stay at the front of a line on CWMU and buy the tag next year again, you’re just going to do it with 0 points.

The CWMU program needs some tweaks made to it, but this thread is just about how to move deer hunters through the pool. That said, I see very little chance any CWMU drops out of the program if the hunters that purchase tags lose their points. If the person in this thread wouldn’t have bought...

I’m just asking clarifying questions bessy. You don’t always have to make it about me. And there certainly isn’t a rule that requires you to be a raging douche all the time. The reality is your generation already took a stab at this and FUBAR’d it big time. So please forgive me if I’m looking...

I know this is what you tell us you said back then. None of us were on MM in the early 90s as these ideas were being dreamt up, so we can’t verify. However, I’ll take you at your word that you did say these things. That said, it still doesn’t tell us what “working” means in this context. What...

Against my better judgment, as I’m a little bored in the airport… What did you say wouldn’t work? And if “it” didn’t work, what was “it” supposed to do that “it” didn't?

Yes. If you have a tag, you keep no points. Period. No exceptions. This is not about deer management or even hunt structures for hunters. It's an attempt to address point creep. If you obtain a permit for that species, your points for that species go to zero. That will help point creep more...

This is quite the outburst about Utah shed hunters going out of state on a thread about a shed hunt on Antelope Island. I’m sorry someone else took “your” elk sheds in Nevada. I hope you get all the antlers you feel entitled to in the future!

They are only the eligible applicants that applied for a permit. This is from the draw odds. People that only apply for a point are not included in the draw odds. That is in a separate document. Feel free to poke around this website a bit bobcatbess. It's got a lot of really good information...

Again, I don't know what he applied for, but if he applied only for a preference point then he would not be accounted for on the graphic posted. That is only for people that applied for a permit, not a point only.

Not if he only applied for a point. Those folks are not captured in that graphic.

I think they are using PP and BP as synonyms, but they are not the same thing. As you know.

I’d be fine with random if that was how it always was. You simply can’t go from a point system to full random draw and tell people that have upwards of 30 points “Sorry! Thanks for playing though.” I’m on the record many times on this site saying I don’t think a perfect system for hunt draws...