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If he doesn't I want to! You can show me your South slope elk honey hole while I'm out there. Maybe hook me up with one of those goose guides in the area so I can book a goose hunt this fall.

I remember it well. In our northern meeting, we had a statistics specialist come in and explain why it would not work with fancy graphs and numbers. Ill bet his projections were way closer than the ones from the sales pitch pamplet. I might still have those handouts somewhere. If I do I'll...

So if you were to throw out an educated guess on what age a pronghorn would most likely plateau on horn growth, what range would you say? 3 to 5 years, 5 to 7 years..... 7 years plus......?. From my experience, I say 3 to 5 years just curious as to what your thoughts were.

So based off of what you have observed, what age do you feel antelope reach their plateau on horn growth. Do you feel that environmental factors and genetics influence horn growth more or as much as age or not really? I suppose it's most likely a combination of everything.

I'm not sure what you are referring to as far as where and when the DWR made this claim, but I finally might have to agree with you on something elkassassin. I think some may hit their potential by 3, but I believe between 3 and 5 years old to be a (in their prime) range.

I think you have surpassed being a "self regulator " if you pass 20 to 30 bucks during a general season hunt. You could possibly be in an even higher class of hunters. I think they call the "master regulators", but I could be wrong.

I consider myself a self regulator on mule deer, but I could care less if a someone shoots something that makes them happy. Heck I'll even help them pack it out. Now.... if you throw elk into the conversation, I am definitely not capable of self regulation. As mentioned in a previous thread...

Heck no, that would be a terrible plan to fix a deer herd. I thought we already established our herds were too far gone to save and we were just going to shoot them all till they're gone? That's my plan to fix the overcrowding issue. Stay focused elkassassin.

Pretty sure the pumpkin army complaining is a thing of the past now. With the new hunter orange rule we won't see each other as good so they'll be nothing to complain about this season I'm thinking. Visually, we'll pretty much have the whole place to ourselves in 2024! That's right folks no...

Why is everything I say "BS", but everything you say is gospel? You're pointed comments are hurtful. I remember on one thread (I believe it was your own thread you derailed ) I was accused of being AI? If it can happen on monster mulies, you know it can take over the DWR. Just a matter of...

So I'm a bit late to the party here, just finishing up the video. I have a question for elkassassin from an "OPER FN TUNIST" . Elk on the sanjaun if I'm understanding correctly are above management goals and age data comes in at 7.6 years. When asked by some folks why no tag increases the...

Still wrong! We absolutely need more committees. You think it's bad now, can you imagine what it would be like if we didn't have committees?

I'm not sure if this is a generic question or if you are specifically talking about the goats, but I believe the Willard peak herd disaster could have been avoided if they would have pumped the brakes a bit when we were headed towards a cliff. For the most part, nobody could have predicted...

I'll take this one Vanilla..... elkassassin your wrong yet again!

I believe they know exactly what happened to the Willard Peak goat herd. They made some huge management mistakes and then the perfect storm of events hit all at once. It all but destroyed the herd. I've been leaning on the rocky mountain goat alliance to get involved. I talked with them last...

I'm not really a long timer, but I do remember him mentioning several times he wanted to increase opportunity to hunt big coyotes, state wide, with no license or tag requirement. So there's that......

Am I the only one who's expanded this picture, looked beyond the forest of horns here to get a better look at that spike? Uttaxi1, that thing is awesome. I don't recall seeing many spikes mounted up. Love it! I couldn't help but wonder what the story with that one. I'm betting it's a good one.

I've openly admitted on this platform many times that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. I miss things and I'm wrong about things at times. You mentioned in my last paragraph, I was wrong. Can you please expand on what part I'm wrong about? I welcome any opportunity to educate myself.

Actually, I am pretty new around here Elkassassin so I apologize for whatever I've missed. I don't mean any disrespect, but it doesn't matter what you have said on monster mulies, my question was if you had participated in the process back in the 90's? If you did, what you are seeing is...

I also have a question for Vanilla and Berryblaster on their thoughts. I believe we reduced the age class objectives with the new elk plan. This was in the name of opportunity which i support. If we get into a situation where the age class falls below the objective, should we not take action...

Alright Ellkassassin I have some questions for you and I'm not trying to be a smart A$$. I was very proactive during the time all these LE units and our current point systems were being designed. I spent a lot of time researching statistics and following the objective of this grand new idea...

Not the forkie in the meadow by your tree stand where the cooler of apples "accidentally" fell off your 4 wheeler. This is a different one. Even bigger. Pretty sure if he makes it through winter and doesn't get hit on the highway, he'll be pushing high 80s by fall.

Negative on that one. It's on the way to my top secret elk spot. I DO NOT want him finding it. Not to mention, I have some deer points burning a hole in my point bank and that chubby little fork horn with them has my name all over it. I need something to test out my new creedmoor on and my...

Wait a minute...... were we supposed to actually read the information on tag numbers BEFORE we posted about it on this thread? Did you guys change the rules on me while I was out? I thought you just had to make a post to piss and moan because KSL said the DWR had proposed tag increases. What...

These threads are my absolute favorite! Sorry I'm late to the party and unfortunately or fortunately (not sure what one yet) I haven't read through every post yet. I live in the center of what most would consider the worst deer units in the state. I know visual observation and visual evidence...

I agree 100 percent. Some of my absolute favorite hunts have been antlerless hunts. I apologize for bringing up the antlerless points. I have a pile of them myself. I believe the Pauns is also a good option. I think a 200 ich buck is tall order on both those units currently, but as you...

Lol.... it's like a regular one only costs more points! Sure you'll still get a antlerless critter on a regular hunt, but it wont be a premium antlerless critter.

Seriously elkassassin? No disrespect intended, but you are obviously out of the loop on the Utah antlerless pools. These points won't even get a person a mid tier unit in the antlerless draws. Definitely not gonna get them a premium tag. You need 7 or 8 plus points to touch a premium antlerless...

Interesting. I had a very similar experience on a antelope CWMU. The operator was super nice but the fact that there were no antelope on the property was beyond their control. I was informed I needed to contact the DWR to see if there was any options in this scenario. I accepted the fact...

Definitely a 10 for a GS buck. If you mean the less important measurement, 155 -160ish.

They drew a tag, went and looked.... didn't see any Buffalo in the unit. Complained to the DWR because it took all their points and Walla. I think that's it. It was discussed in one of these meetings I believe. This is not the first time this has happened.

I'm thinking we need to bring the "everyone gets a trophy " theory into our draw system for sure. It's way overdue. We could maybe add another check box to the application that costs like an additional $200 and it gives you a chance to do over (and over) if you are unsuccessful. Sorta like a...

Just curious, what ones would make your short list?

Agreed! I love all my lead balloons, but if I didn't reload, I would think differently I suppose. My 25wssm is easy to carry and exceptionally accurate. Performance is quite well on deer and antelope. I can't remember the last time I ran across factory ammo on the shelf.

What about 338 Federal? Lead balloon status? I thought that one would be a bit more popular than it was.

I watched an A-bolt in a pawn shop that hung out for years there in a 222rem. It was a good looking rifle, and the price tag got pretty low . Probably should have snagged that one. That is how I acquired my 35 Whelen. It just kept showing up on a local page and the price just kept going down...

Do you have a 17wsm Homer? I wondered what those would be like when they released them, but I don't know anyone that has one.

I had never heard of that one before. I had to go look it up.

During the off season I'll take some time to listen to some podcasts, watch some YouTube, read some books etc..... I ran across a podcast where they were showcasing cartridges that for whatever reason never became successful. They labeled these cartridges lead balloons. I realized I have...

Appreciate the info. Thanks.