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Please enlighten us with truth about Roundup.

Nice.

What zone?

Capable off the bench is way different then the capability of field conditions.

Not me. I want my scope and I want it in Sept.

I would say this. We have a few days until the WB meets. Let's light up their email and voice our opinion. It's not changing anthing on MM! I've already sent my second email. First one was a couple of weeks ago

What power scope? How many shots?

4X doesn't piss me off at all.

The cartridge isn't the issue, it's the advancement in scopes. Nobody is long ranging it with 4x or probably even 3 x 9.

4X scope or even 3 x 9 is hardly emerging technology. Could have made this so much easier by just picking one. And sure, you can shoot 400 yards with 4x, but not nearly as easy or as well. Low power magnification absolutely limits range.

What opportunity was taken from you in 2015?

The biologist I mentioned are not the public. And while I may have answered my own question.......you didn't. Who do you suggest we listen to to improve the situation?

Fair enough. I meant Utah DNR biologist. The other biologist opinions should not be totally dismissed but since they represent special interest, there opinions should be taken with a grain of salt. Where did you you get the idea that I think that the public controls wildlife regulations? Also...

I'll believe nearly any biologist more than I'll believe SFW, Outfitters or us. Have them make a recommendation based by.......science that can be verbalized to all. They also need to define what they are trying to do and then justify the science to achieve it. It may not be what we are all...

This whole restriction and the logic behind the removal of ML scopes seems to be a bunch of BS the more I think about it. Deer hunting is supposed to be a management tool for the good of the herd, the public, the range, basically the entire resource. If we are not over-harvesting with...

Right? Then it will be back to "what this hunt was intended to be" according to some. Let also make it a law that we wear buckskins and coonskin caps.

This is strictly opinion.......not facts.

"It's NOT about saving deer, it's about keeping this particular weapon in check for what this hunt was intended for." More accurately would be to say what some people think this hunt was intended for. Not even most people......but some. But ok, let's ban scopes. Let's also move the hunt back to...

There's a lot of ground that could be used in the scope world between a 1X and a 4 x 12 tactical. 4X, 6X, max. This would be an easier sell in my opinion and reasonable, since success rate data doesn't support a total ban. I can't remember exactly where I read it, but they are trying to...

AVB also a contributing editor in Sports Afield. Last edition he had an article about gearing up for long range. Ironic!!

They sure seem to have a dirty nose for trying to do everything they can to keep their noses clean.

What is a COR?

I think increasing opportunities AND quality are conflicting if not impossible mutual goals. I think it's one or the other. But I do think there can be balance and hopefully that is where we land.

If I remember correctly it wasn't called or designated at a short range hunt, but I do believe it was classified as a "Privative Weapon" along with archery.

While I agree to the idea of a limit in technology, in both ML and ALW, something about managing for low success but higher numbers of permits doesn't sound great to me. It hits my ears as, "here are a bunch of permits that you can have, you probably won't' succeed but look at the revenue for...

Slamdunk, Has the technology committee been asked or has there been discussion about scope limitations on ALW hunts? IMO when technology exists that allows or even promotes shooting at game animals 1000 to 2000 yards away, I believe that has crossed the line from hunting and landed in the...

Pretty good discussion. One point that may have been missed that doesn't sit right with me. Feel free to straighten me out if I've misread something. So, let's say the WB decides to put restrictions on weapons. Apparently, the reason is to reduce success, due to suffering herds numbers or...

I’ll bet they don’t take anything from archery.

I don’t think 150 yards will ever be a routine shoot with archery equipment. I also could be very wrong, but currently there are too many variables.

Yes I always worry about wounding. You have to connect to wound and I don’t believe it happens very often,

Not sure I understand your response. So? Yes, people are flinging 100-120 yard shots. How many are connecting….. not many!

I'll explain, but keep in mind these are only my thoughts, no scientific evidence here. I think that archery even with advancements in bows and sights still has the most amount of "human error". Fatigue in holding the bow at full draw, more subject to movement on the part of the shooter, still...

I'd raise that 6X but could live with 4X.

I didn’t ever say archery equipment hasn’t advanced. But back in the day, Fifty yards was a max range, I’m saying there aren’t many killing at 150 and not too many even at 100.

I don’t think archer needs anything restricted currently. Muzzleloader probably need some restrictions on scopes. I actually think that the technology on centerfire probably is the area that needs the most scrutiny. I hunt all three weapons.

Totally agree with lots of arguments that may be good that I don’t agree with. My personal reason for wanting a scope is my eyes are old enough that iron sights and very difficult to use. However I don’t think the scope has to turn my muzzle loader into a 500 yard weapon. Limit my range by...

I guess if anyone has a point different than you it’s lazy, dumb or wrong. You go girl!

No offense taken, but ethically we should try to reduce wounding as long as we don't go to some unfair advantage of the given hunt. Maybe that's the reason for caliber restrictions in rifle seasons also. Of course guys want scopes for the three reasons you listed. So if we are worried about...

Karl, regarding scopes, I fall into the love and hate them. When muzzleloader hunting began in UT the weapons didn't look or perform anything like they do now. I believe it started as a "traditional weapon" type of hunt. Obviously, this is no longer the case. As for scopes and modern...

That's a great buck congrats. The story you told doesn't surprise me a bit. I know a couple of guides that work for Doyle and they tell me he encourages and helps other non-guided hunters in the field and expects his guides to do the same. Glad you ran into him!!