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Nah its still fun

Hahaha this will ruffle some more feathers

Thanks walleye. Yeah like I said the lower point people get a majority of the overall tags because there are thousands more of them in the pool and it's only going to get worse. Just wait until another 9000 or so jump in the next three years. Like I said I the longer these guys stay in the worse...

Youd think all those valuable weighted points would at least let those high point guys draw half the tags.

135 tags went to 3+0-3+11. 90 tags went to 3+12 to max. You guys keep telling yourselves all those weighted points are helping you.

You think your odds are getting better with your weighted points. Your odds are getting worse every year you are still in the draw. Enjoy the next round of 3000 joining the party next year

Yes I did

So the 3+0 group drew just as many ram tags as the 3+17 group. Like I said a majority of the ram tags go to the 3+0 to 3+11 group

By some but I still wouldn't consider having max weighted points a huge advantage. The 3+11 to 3+0 group drew over 80% of the ram tags. Which is the mid level down. Shouldn't that be the other way if those weighted points were really working how they are supposed to? I also wouldn't consider 4...

The draw rate as individuals isn't good but those groups have so many applicants they have the best "odds" for the tags. That's why those groups have been drawing a majority of the overall tags the last few years

https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Hunting/BigGame/Weighted-Preference-Points.pdf#search=weighted%20points Looks like CPW talking out both sides of their mouth. Here they explain why all the low point holders are getting tags

Haha yep now the draw stats are a conspiracy theory

4 out of 92 isn't a great statistical advantage like some claim. The honest numbers show that close to 20% of the ram tags go to low point holders and that will only increase as time goes on. If you go unit by unit in the draw stats the max point guys do not individually have a huge...

Deercy here's some number from this years stats. The max guys at 3+23 had 4 out of 92 applicants draw so a 4.3% draw rate. The 3+13 group had 15 out of 360 applicants draw so a 4.2% draw rate. So real no advantage statistically speaking for ten more years of weighted points. The 3+3 group drew...

Not really look how many max point holders are losing tags to lower point holders. There isn't a significant statistical advantage to having a ton of weighted points. Fact

No it's not misleading just look at the draw stats unit by unit and you will see what I'm talking about

I know that I've already stated that numerous times

Not really go unit by unit on the draw stats for rams. Many high to max point holders are getting out drawn by low point holders. Last time I ran it mid to low point holders were drawing over 80% of the ram tags.

Bingo

Exactly but guys still can't seem to comprehend this

It's been that way since CPW opened the floodgates with the no up front fee. It's only going to get worse as more and more of them flood the draw. Statistically they have the best odds at tags just by their sheer numbers they have the highest probability of pulling the lowest random number

Son drew the youth 16e rifle bull tag

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They don't but you can call and ask for them

Not really your odds are actually going down every year with the influx of all the new applicants becoming eligible

Buddy drew an s69 ram tag with 3+2

Wonder if the guys with 10% odds drew???

Not really if your random number is 827100 and someone else gets 000671 even if you had 12 weighted points your number isnt getting lower than the 000671 so your not getting the tag

There was a unit like that. They finally quit issuing a tag for it after years of nobody even seeing sheep.

One of the secrets to helping someone draw was already posted by another member who has drawn more than one tag. Odds shouldn't be calculated in the sheep draw because your weighted points have no bearing on your random number assignment, its reversal, or the tile assignment. You can sit here...

Haha, if you've calculated all these awesome odds, how come you can't draw?

Yeah like I said 1/6 isn't ten percent. Tell me you think these are the exact odds for drawing a sheep tag? Everyone who is eligible has the same exact "odds" for the lowest random number, that's why your calculated odds are b.s. You cannot do odds for the sheep tags like you can for other tags...

SMS3901A did not have 10% odds. I like how your cutting out the applicants on your screenshots. If you notice on the S32 app they didn't count the youth applicant with 3+0 who was eligible to draw so those numbers aren't accurate.

Agreed but someone claiming 10% odds at a sheep tag is delusional

Yep CPW screwed all the long time applicants when they opened the flood gates and waved the up front fee for the big three. Just look at the influx of applicants on the draw stats

not really you might as well as hunt before the wolves really take hold

They already issue tags for 61 in the hybrid but those quotas haven't changed much if at all since they became eligible for the hybrid. Other than that Colorado doesn't have a random draw its straight preference

Are you arguing with yourself?