Bearbow-Nevada ?????
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BearBow
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BFE,
Just referring to the fact many states are cheapening the value of the bonus points we've been buying each year, and I hope they are not degraded to nothing before I draw. See Utah, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Wyoming, etc. I assume you know about the specific changes in each of these states with regards to bonus point value. Points have been degraded by outfitter quotas, raffles, auctions, etc.
Just referring to the fact many states are cheapening the value of the bonus points we've been buying each year, and I hope they are not degraded to nothing before I draw. See Utah, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Wyoming, etc. I assume you know about the specific changes in each of these states with regards to bonus point value. Points have been degraded by outfitter quotas, raffles, auctions, etc.
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LAST EDITED ON Jun-15-05 AT 11:48AM (MST)[p]I totally agree. Points are definately not a contract. You take a risk when you buy points that the rules around them and value of them will change on you.
My take on this is that states should definately put some warning around points especially since there's a "lotto effect" around them....thing like, points are not a guarantee....quotas change over time. They may cost more in the future...etc. etc.
I feel sorry for all the folks who've been saving points for years in an attempt to draw a Kaibab buffalo archery tag.....they're totally hosed. Guys who draw a rifle deer or elk tags in the Kaibab will be given the option to buy Buffalo tag OTC....what a crock!!!!
My take on this is that states should definately put some warning around points especially since there's a "lotto effect" around them....thing like, points are not a guarantee....quotas change over time. They may cost more in the future...etc. etc.
I feel sorry for all the folks who've been saving points for years in an attempt to draw a Kaibab buffalo archery tag.....they're totally hosed. Guys who draw a rifle deer or elk tags in the Kaibab will be given the option to buy Buffalo tag OTC....what a crock!!!!
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You mean like this???
From NDOW webpage.
"Because the draw numbers that determine whether or not a hunter draws a tag are generated randomly, there is no guarantee that a hunter will draw a tag for the unit group of his or her choice just because he or she may have more bonus points then anyone else. Please review Nevada's Bonus Point Guidelines in the Hunting Applications section of the web site to get a better understanding about how the bonus point system works.
Overall, there is a greater percent of maximum bonus-point applicants that draw tags then the percent of applicants in lower bonus point categories. But, as you review the bonus point data you will see that not all of the maximum point applicants draw tags. In fact, even in mule deer hunt unit groups with several hundreds tags, there are maximum point applicants that do not draw a low enough draw number and are not successful.
Bonus points increase a hunter's chances of receiving a low draw number in hopes of drawing a tag, but, unlike a preference point, they do not provide any guarantee of drawing a tag after so many points are accumulated"
http://www.ndow.org/hunt/stats/bonus.shtm
Also look at the summary of points vs draws.
From NDOW webpage.
"Because the draw numbers that determine whether or not a hunter draws a tag are generated randomly, there is no guarantee that a hunter will draw a tag for the unit group of his or her choice just because he or she may have more bonus points then anyone else. Please review Nevada's Bonus Point Guidelines in the Hunting Applications section of the web site to get a better understanding about how the bonus point system works.
Overall, there is a greater percent of maximum bonus-point applicants that draw tags then the percent of applicants in lower bonus point categories. But, as you review the bonus point data you will see that not all of the maximum point applicants draw tags. In fact, even in mule deer hunt unit groups with several hundreds tags, there are maximum point applicants that do not draw a low enough draw number and are not successful.
Bonus points increase a hunter's chances of receiving a low draw number in hopes of drawing a tag, but, unlike a preference point, they do not provide any guarantee of drawing a tag after so many points are accumulated"
http://www.ndow.org/hunt/stats/bonus.shtm
Also look at the summary of points vs draws.
i Hola ! Se?or cheapskate
Bearbow, extrapolating from your line of reasoning, wouldn't you also agree that asking MM members here to post Garth Carters top ten picks would similarly cheapen the information that his members paid for ?
I kind of remember you doing something like that just prior to the Nevada draws ????????? Hmmmmm
Bearbow, extrapolating from your line of reasoning, wouldn't you also agree that asking MM members here to post Garth Carters top ten picks would similarly cheapen the information that his members paid for ?
I kind of remember you doing something like that just prior to the Nevada draws ????????? Hmmmmm
Lets leave Nevada draw system the way it is. Everyone gets the same chance to draw. Points just get you more chances in the hat. I apply for 3 people each year and it can be very frustrating when one person draws twice before another draws once. But again its fair. Lets just leave the main draw the way it is.
Now in my opinion. It could be even more fair by eliminating the guide draw. They get two shots at it. But that is a different subject.
Now in my opinion. It could be even more fair by eliminating the guide draw. They get two shots at it. But that is a different subject.
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kilbuc,
Correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't been applying in Nevada for 20 years, but I don't believe outfitters were given a special "entitlement" of 30%-50% or more of the tags 20 years ago. In one year 99% of all the tags went to outfitters in our unit, and were not evened out the subsequent year. It's a complex formula few nonresidents understand. There is very little info in the regulations pertaining to this. I called NDOW to have it explained. Bottom line is our NR unguided points were devalued no question about it. Just one example. They aren't the only state.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't been applying in Nevada for 20 years, but I don't believe outfitters were given a special "entitlement" of 30%-50% or more of the tags 20 years ago. In one year 99% of all the tags went to outfitters in our unit, and were not evened out the subsequent year. It's a complex formula few nonresidents understand. There is very little info in the regulations pertaining to this. I called NDOW to have it explained. Bottom line is our NR unguided points were devalued no question about it. Just one example. They aren't the only state.
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RE: i Hola ! Se?or cheapskate
LAST EDITED ON Jun-15-05 AT 05:04PM (MST)[p]BFE,
I don't get mad..........I get even.
GC crapped on me by leaving me in his referral directory long after my subscription ended. That is a personal matter and subject to a matter of opinion anyway. You didn't have your family wakened at 11 PM Central time several times when we both had to work the next day. I took offense. You can take it any way you want, but you weren't there and don't know the circumstances, so you should put a sock in it. You won't change my opinion. One thing I do know is I did not call GC's residence up at 11 PM Mountain time, so it's no skin off his back. In fact I have even more score evening to do, but as I said, I don't get mad.......I get even.
LAST EDITED ON Jun-15-05 AT 05:04PM (MST)[p]BFE,
I don't get mad..........I get even.
GC crapped on me by leaving me in his referral directory long after my subscription ended. That is a personal matter and subject to a matter of opinion anyway. You didn't have your family wakened at 11 PM Central time several times when we both had to work the next day. I took offense. You can take it any way you want, but you weren't there and don't know the circumstances, so you should put a sock in it. You won't change my opinion. One thing I do know is I did not call GC's residence up at 11 PM Mountain time, so it's no skin off his back. In fact I have even more score evening to do, but as I said, I don't get mad.......I get even.
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I believe I have posted this before but I'll do it again for you. It's really quite zimple. They can't just add on tags without offsetting them somewhere else. In the grand scheme of things non-resdident tags are non-resident tags. Again, I have said it before, the guides went to the legislature and got this passed in 1993. Not NDOW. I'm sure it costs NDOW more than it's worth just to administer a special drawing.
From Nevada Revised Statutes
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-502.html#NRS502Sec146
NRS 502.147 Restricted nonresident deer tags: Issuance.
1. The Department shall make available restricted nonresident deer tags in an amount not to exceed the amount set forth in this section. If the number of persons who apply for restricted nonresident deer tags is greater than the number of tags to be issued, the Department shall conduct a drawing to determine the persons to whom to issue the tags.
2. The number of restricted nonresident deer tags must:
(a) Be subtracted from the quota of rifle deer tags for nonresidents; and
(b) Not exceed 16 percent of the deer tags issued to nonresidents during the previous year or 400 tags, whichever is greater.
3. The number of restricted nonresident deer tags issued for any management area or unit must not exceed 37.5 percent, rounded to the nearest whole number, of the rifle deer tags issued to nonresidents during the previous year for that management area or unit.
4. The Department shall mail the tags to the successful applicants.
(Added to NRS by 1993, 427; A 1995, 513, 1924; 2003, 1536)
From Nevada Revised Statutes
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-502.html#NRS502Sec146
NRS 502.147 Restricted nonresident deer tags: Issuance.
1. The Department shall make available restricted nonresident deer tags in an amount not to exceed the amount set forth in this section. If the number of persons who apply for restricted nonresident deer tags is greater than the number of tags to be issued, the Department shall conduct a drawing to determine the persons to whom to issue the tags.
2. The number of restricted nonresident deer tags must:
(a) Be subtracted from the quota of rifle deer tags for nonresidents; and
(b) Not exceed 16 percent of the deer tags issued to nonresidents during the previous year or 400 tags, whichever is greater.
3. The number of restricted nonresident deer tags issued for any management area or unit must not exceed 37.5 percent, rounded to the nearest whole number, of the rifle deer tags issued to nonresidents during the previous year for that management area or unit.
4. The Department shall mail the tags to the successful applicants.
(Added to NRS by 1993, 427; A 1995, 513, 1924; 2003, 1536)
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I've always believed bonus points are a ripoff when you have to pay for them. They are nothing more then a feel good program for hunters that think they help and a extra source of revenue for the game departments.It would be better if everyone stopped buying points and we went back to luck of the draw. Nevada awards a point for every year you apply and are unsuccessful AND purchase a hunting license. After the first year they square your points and give you one randomly selected number for each point. The randomly selected numbers are between 1000 and 99 million. Thats a helluva spread and it's still luck of the draw. I have people come up to me all the time and tell me how great the bonus point system is. I ask them how many points they have and some of them have 10 or 12. I just say well you've spent between $1000 and $1500 and still have'nt hunted anything! Now I always purchase a hunting license when I apply in Nevada but I use mine, most that buy a license to accumilate bonus points never hunt there. I was luckier before Nevada went to the bonus point system for non residents, I drew 7 out of 8 years before, now with the points system I'm 9 out of 20. I also have clients that draw 2 or 3 years in a row with no points. Go figure!
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NVBighorn,
Not to be picky, but nothing in the statement you posted clearly explains to the typical nonresident unguided guy how the guided draw taps off the quotas and does not fully replace them when the "maximum" guided % is exceeded in one year. That's all I'm saying. Once again, as I have stated, the bottom line is our points were cheapened over time. Pulling tags from the regular draw for outfitter entitlements removes them from my reach. I'll never be in that elite group, thus my points were definitely cheapened. Those weren't the ground rules when I started. Bottom line. As the post is referring to. It's simply a fact, not open to debate.
Not to be picky, but nothing in the statement you posted clearly explains to the typical nonresident unguided guy how the guided draw taps off the quotas and does not fully replace them when the "maximum" guided % is exceeded in one year. That's all I'm saying. Once again, as I have stated, the bottom line is our points were cheapened over time. Pulling tags from the regular draw for outfitter entitlements removes them from my reach. I'll never be in that elite group, thus my points were definitely cheapened. Those weren't the ground rules when I started. Bottom line. As the post is referring to. It's simply a fact, not open to debate.
RE: i Hola ! Se?or cheapskate
Your correct Bearbow, I was not there & I didn't know, & with that in mind I did some checking & guess what... Carters publication is copyrighted, which makes it illegal to copy or redistribute with-out permission, so in your quest for Garth Carter revenge, you solicited others here to break the law. The irony here is that in your scream to get even with Garth you directly affect the innocent subscribers the same way your complaining that you have been effected By the DWR. x(
Summary, I'm not going to put a sock in it.
Your correct Bearbow, I was not there & I didn't know, & with that in mind I did some checking & guess what... Carters publication is copyrighted, which makes it illegal to copy or redistribute with-out permission, so in your quest for Garth Carter revenge, you solicited others here to break the law. The irony here is that in your scream to get even with Garth you directly affect the innocent subscribers the same way your complaining that you have been effected By the DWR. x(
Summary, I'm not going to put a sock in it.
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Hey Bearbottom,
You said:
>Not to be picky,
Picky? You? Never.
>but nothing
>in the statement you posted
>clearly explains to the typical
>nonresident unguided guy how the
>guided draw taps off the
>quotas and does not fully
>replace them when the "maximum"
>guided % is exceeded in
>one year.
By definition, "maximum" is never exceeded. That's how maximums work. The rest seems pretty clear to me.
The drawing for guide tags (Hunt 1235) is held way before the quotas for the current year are set. So they use last years quota as a basis. Guide tags are limited to 400 maximum, or 16% of the previous years NR quota, whichever is greater. When hunters, through their guides, draw tags in a specific area the number of tags for hunt 1235 cannot exceed 37.5% of the tags that were set aside for nonresidents the previous year in that area. 1235 hunt tags must be deducted from the current year's NR quota which is set AFTER the 1235 drawing occurs. It's not rocket science. It's just math. But as in any math problem certain assumptions must be made and certain constants have to be used.
Where this runs into trouble is where you have a large scale die off that is not well documented until after the guide draw is complete as happened in Area 6 a couple years ago. The guides actually drew more tags than were going to be allowed in the NR quota. But a NR hunt was already advertised and applications accepted for it. So there had to be at least one tag since you cannot take applications for a "zero" tag area. Shouldn't have been any tags mathematically. But another factor is that since the guides went to the legislature and got this law passed rather it being an wildlife commission regulation, things are a lot less flexible. The law is very specific in the fact that tags WILL be issued and they WILL be based on the PREVIOUS year's quota. Not much wiggle room even in the event of a die-off.
>That's all
>I'm saying. Once again,
>as I have stated, the
>bottom line is our points
>were cheapened over time.
>Pulling tags from the regular
>draw for outfitter entitlements removes
>them from my reach.
>I'll never be in that
>elite group, thus my points
>were definitely cheapened. Those
>weren't the ground rules when
>I started.
My points have been cheapened also. Like when they started allowing credit card apps. I empathize with what you are saying. But I am not responsible for your beef with the outfitter tags. NDOW is not either. The Nevada Wildlife Commission is not either. Stop b!tching about it without naming who you are specifically bagging on. Your tone implies that you feel NDOW or Nevada in general owes you something because of your perceived loss to outfitter entitlements.
>Bottom line.
> As the post is
>referring to. It's simply
>a fact, not open to
>debate.
As what post is referring to? Fact? That's a rather broad interpretation of the word "fact". It's your perception or opinion.
Bottom line is really this. Nobody is twisting your arm or holding a gun to your head to apply for points or tags. If you continue to choose to play the game I guess you continue to choose to take part in the game by whatever the rules are. If you really hate the game and the rules so bad then cut your losses and stop applying.
You said:
>Not to be picky,
Picky? You? Never.
>but nothing
>in the statement you posted
>clearly explains to the typical
>nonresident unguided guy how the
>guided draw taps off the
>quotas and does not fully
>replace them when the "maximum"
>guided % is exceeded in
>one year.
By definition, "maximum" is never exceeded. That's how maximums work. The rest seems pretty clear to me.
The drawing for guide tags (Hunt 1235) is held way before the quotas for the current year are set. So they use last years quota as a basis. Guide tags are limited to 400 maximum, or 16% of the previous years NR quota, whichever is greater. When hunters, through their guides, draw tags in a specific area the number of tags for hunt 1235 cannot exceed 37.5% of the tags that were set aside for nonresidents the previous year in that area. 1235 hunt tags must be deducted from the current year's NR quota which is set AFTER the 1235 drawing occurs. It's not rocket science. It's just math. But as in any math problem certain assumptions must be made and certain constants have to be used.
Where this runs into trouble is where you have a large scale die off that is not well documented until after the guide draw is complete as happened in Area 6 a couple years ago. The guides actually drew more tags than were going to be allowed in the NR quota. But a NR hunt was already advertised and applications accepted for it. So there had to be at least one tag since you cannot take applications for a "zero" tag area. Shouldn't have been any tags mathematically. But another factor is that since the guides went to the legislature and got this law passed rather it being an wildlife commission regulation, things are a lot less flexible. The law is very specific in the fact that tags WILL be issued and they WILL be based on the PREVIOUS year's quota. Not much wiggle room even in the event of a die-off.
>That's all
>I'm saying. Once again,
>as I have stated, the
>bottom line is our points
>were cheapened over time.
>Pulling tags from the regular
>draw for outfitter entitlements removes
>them from my reach.
>I'll never be in that
>elite group, thus my points
>were definitely cheapened. Those
>weren't the ground rules when
>I started.
My points have been cheapened also. Like when they started allowing credit card apps. I empathize with what you are saying. But I am not responsible for your beef with the outfitter tags. NDOW is not either. The Nevada Wildlife Commission is not either. Stop b!tching about it without naming who you are specifically bagging on. Your tone implies that you feel NDOW or Nevada in general owes you something because of your perceived loss to outfitter entitlements.
>Bottom line.
> As the post is
>referring to. It's simply
>a fact, not open to
>debate.
As what post is referring to? Fact? That's a rather broad interpretation of the word "fact". It's your perception or opinion.
Bottom line is really this. Nobody is twisting your arm or holding a gun to your head to apply for points or tags. If you continue to choose to play the game I guess you continue to choose to take part in the game by whatever the rules are. If you really hate the game and the rules so bad then cut your losses and stop applying.
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NVBighorn,
Go back to who started this post. It was not me!
I was only trying to answer a question posed to me. That's all! So quit your biatching.
The bottom line is several state's sell points, then cheapen them. That is a fact, and cannot be denied. All I was doing was simple illustrations, because they were asked of me!
I didn't start the post, and I'm really not interested in this topic.
Go back to who started this post. It was not me!
I was only trying to answer a question posed to me. That's all! So quit your biatching.
The bottom line is several state's sell points, then cheapen them. That is a fact, and cannot be denied. All I was doing was simple illustrations, because they were asked of me!
I didn't start the post, and I'm really not interested in this topic.
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LAST EDITED ON Jun-16-05 AT 01:23PM (MST)[p]Eazy there buddy, I don't think I was "biatching".
>That is a fact, and cannot be denied.
Again, that is an opinion and it can be denied. I don't believe any cheapening has been intentional. It's what happens with these things. Our current bonus point system was set up after everyone got tired of the old system that was destined to fail. NDOW warned the people that it was no guarantee at the time. But looking for greener pastures hunters went for it. I believe it was also destined to fail.
>That is a fact, and cannot be denied.
Again, that is an opinion and it can be denied. I don't believe any cheapening has been intentional. It's what happens with these things. Our current bonus point system was set up after everyone got tired of the old system that was destined to fail. NDOW warned the people that it was no guarantee at the time. But looking for greener pastures hunters went for it. I believe it was also destined to fail.
Iv'e got to correct myself. The draw system did change 6-8 years ago when NDOW startd to square the bonus points, gave those with 2 or more bonus points more chances to get a lower random number but did not guarantee that they would, still luck of the draw. The method for determining the tagquota did change with the Outfitters tags program. They are 2 different processes.
from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
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BearBow
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"Again, that is an opinion and it can be denied. I don't believe any cheapening has been intentional. It's what happens with these things."
Not intentional!? Hahaha.......That's a good one.
Not intentional!? Hahaha.......That's a good one.
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Forgot to mention the ultimate crapping on.........for Maine moose! After years of accumulating BP's a few years ago I open my application and find where they have a deal where a guy could then buy his way in with package deals. 3 BP's for $23, 6 BP's for $33, or 10 BP's for $53, or as many as you like in multiples of $53/10 points! They even put an example in there that if you want 50 points it would cost 5 x $53 = $265. While I apply with my 6, that I have earned with time. Ha! What a joke.
Anything for money.
Anything for money.
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FIRST OFF I'D LIKE TO THANK B_F_E_ FOR BEING THE BEST TROUBLE MAKER I KNOW OF,LOL!!!
BearBow
PLEASE DELETE POST # 18,IF UTAH HEARS ABOUT THAT ONE THIS WILL BE BIG TIME GAMBLING!!!
AS ALWAYS IT WOULD FALL BACK TO WHO EVER HAS THE MOST MONEY GETS THE BONUS POINTS OR PERMIT!!!
CAN YOU IMAGINE,HEY I'VE GOT 23,000 BONUS POINTS & STILL CAN'T PULL A TAG!!!
THE ONLY bobcat WITH NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO PLAY THE GAMES WE ALL LIKE TO PLAY!!!
BearBow
PLEASE DELETE POST # 18,IF UTAH HEARS ABOUT THAT ONE THIS WILL BE BIG TIME GAMBLING!!!
AS ALWAYS IT WOULD FALL BACK TO WHO EVER HAS THE MOST MONEY GETS THE BONUS POINTS OR PERMIT!!!
CAN YOU IMAGINE,HEY I'VE GOT 23,000 BONUS POINTS & STILL CAN'T PULL A TAG!!!
THE ONLY bobcat WITH NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO PLAY THE GAMES WE ALL LIKE TO PLAY!!!
Thanks Bess, yes as a kid I was the one setting in the back, shooting other kids with spitballs in the back of their neck.
Bearbow, sorry that your setting in front of me with your neck exposed, it's just that some of the things you say sound like an old buddy we had here named Zim, did you know him ?
Bearbow, sorry that your setting in front of me with your neck exposed, it's just that some of the things you say sound like an old buddy we had here named Zim, did you know him ?
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BearBow
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Not only is that all I got.......that's all I care about it to post anymore. There are plenty of other joke systems scamming money to mention. Haha. See Maine for a laugh. It's true.
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BearBow
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Oh jeez bobcat, You're right, but it's been too long for me to edit or delete that Maine post. Crap, I bet SFW sees this and DP runs to UTDOW for a new scam idea to try! There go those points.
As muleys are relatively scarce in Maine, I bet noboby here was familiar with that eastern scam, but I assure you it is not a joke. The wealthy CAN buy 10,000 moose points if they want.
I don't think any other state can top that point degredation scam at this time. Kinda reminds me of the result inflation had back when Carter was president.
As muleys are relatively scarce in Maine, I bet noboby here was familiar with that eastern scam, but I assure you it is not a joke. The wealthy CAN buy 10,000 moose points if they want.
I don't think any other state can top that point degredation scam at this time. Kinda reminds me of the result inflation had back when Carter was president.
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NP. As a kid, I was one of those that would turn around and knock the block off a kid who who dared shoot a spitball on my neck. But you are safe here in cyberspace. Haha. So shoot away.
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BearBow
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I'm in Wisconsin, so I apply out east as well as west. Yes, I really do have 7 Maine moose points, and 7 Nevada all-critter points. Also go north of the border, but just for walleye.
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BearBow
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BFE, is that your name Sorenson ?
What is your definition of "rich"? How do you know what I make? Why do you think I hate "rich" people? I just don't think people should be able to pay money to cut in line.
Dumb post.
What is your definition of "rich"? How do you know what I make? Why do you think I hate "rich" people? I just don't think people should be able to pay money to cut in line.
Dumb post.
RE: What a coincidence...............
Yes Bearbow my last name is Sorenson, some of my friends just call me Jack.
Speaking of name associations, I took a look at your user profile then compared it with the profile of an old friend here named Zim...
& guess how many similarity's I found, well you judge for yourself.
Zim's user profile.
1st name ; Al
Lastname ; Bielski
State ; Midwest aka (Indiana)
Hobby's ; Archery
E-mail address ___@ zimny.com
BearBow's user profile.
1st name ; Al
Lastname ; Bielski
State ; Midwest****
Hobby ; Bow-hunting
E-mail ___@ zimny.com
*** I got the Midwest part from a different post of Bearbows
Zim's self-proclaimed departure/boycott circa. Feb. 05
Bearbow'S first post, 2 weeks later asking 4 Nevada hunt info.
I know these are two totally different MM users, because Zim had a long dramatic departure/boycott post back in February promising to punish us (get even) by never visiting MM again, however the similarity's are very interesting, don't you think Bearbow ?
Yes Bearbow my last name is Sorenson, some of my friends just call me Jack.
Speaking of name associations, I took a look at your user profile then compared it with the profile of an old friend here named Zim...
& guess how many similarity's I found, well you judge for yourself.
Zim's user profile.
1st name ; Al
Lastname ; Bielski
State ; Midwest aka (Indiana)
Hobby's ; Archery
E-mail address ___@ zimny.com
BearBow's user profile.
1st name ; Al
Lastname ; Bielski
State ; Midwest****
Hobby ; Bow-hunting
E-mail ___@ zimny.com
*** I got the Midwest part from a different post of Bearbows
Zim's self-proclaimed departure/boycott circa. Feb. 05
Bearbow'S first post, 2 weeks later asking 4 Nevada hunt info.
I know these are two totally different MM users, because Zim had a long dramatic departure/boycott post back in February promising to punish us (get even) by never visiting MM again, however the similarity's are very interesting, don't you think Bearbow ?
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Zim... welcome back
All MM'ers... let's lay off Zimy. He brings an added twist to this site, and should have his place. Without guys like Zim, everyone begins to sound the same.
Zimple?
HornedToad
All MM'ers... let's lay off Zimy. He brings an added twist to this site, and should have his place. Without guys like Zim, everyone begins to sound the same.
Zimple?
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BearBow
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RE: What a coincidence...............
Jack, M'man - Your posts seem more along the lines of personal attacks than productive dialog.
I don't know who your friend is, but good luck with him, whatever your agenda.
Jack, M'man - Your posts seem more along the lines of personal attacks than productive dialog.
I don't know who your friend is, but good luck with him, whatever your agenda.
NVBighorn
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RE: What a coincidence...............
B_F_E,
What waZ that loud SNAP I just heard? Zounded like a number 4 Victor. Zimply too funny!
>I don't know who your friend
>is,
Uh huh. We believe you ZimBow.
Horned_toad said:
"All MM'ers... let's lay off Zimy. "
Nothing personal to you but how about "NO". Zim's a troll who lacks integrity if he is willing to pitch a big fit and boycott this site only to return a couple of weeks later under a different user name and continue to sing the same song he always has and then take us all for fools and lie about who he really is. Of course some of us have known all along. He's like a big walleye. Can't resist bait.
B_F_E,
What waZ that loud SNAP I just heard? Zounded like a number 4 Victor. Zimply too funny!
>I don't know who your friend
>is,
Uh huh. We believe you ZimBow.
Horned_toad said:
"All MM'ers... let's lay off Zimy. "
Nothing personal to you but how about "NO". Zim's a troll who lacks integrity if he is willing to pitch a big fit and boycott this site only to return a couple of weeks later under a different user name and continue to sing the same song he always has and then take us all for fools and lie about who he really is. Of course some of us have known all along. He's like a big walleye. Can't resist bait.
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BearBow
Guest
RE: What a coincidence...............
Hey, hey, hey......no need to make personal attacks on the regal walleye. My favorite fish. And who told you the big ones can't resist bait? I've found them to be the toughest to get to bite.
Hey, hey, hey......no need to make personal attacks on the regal walleye. My favorite fish. And who told you the big ones can't resist bait? I've found them to be the toughest to get to bite.
RE: What a coincidence...............
Zimbow............good one NVBighorn
Zimbow, your so busted, yet still ain't gonna fess up, thats o-kay it was fun stalking you down, kind of like a cyber-hunt, just fallow the tracks, rhetoric & all the crappin.
What could be more productive than that Zimbow ?
Zimbow............good one NVBighorn
Zimbow, your so busted, yet still ain't gonna fess up, thats o-kay it was fun stalking you down, kind of like a cyber-hunt, just fallow the tracks, rhetoric & all the crappin.
What could be more productive than that Zimbow ?
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BearBow
Guest
RE: What a coincidence...............
Haha. Seems more like it's been this Zim fella who's been playing with you, leaving crumbs behind to make it sporting, and in the end making fools of the members of the ZHC. I even saw several posts along the way mentioning this. Hahaha. Now lay off the walleye, and good luck with your friend.
Haha. Seems more like it's been this Zim fella who's been playing with you, leaving crumbs behind to make it sporting, and in the end making fools of the members of the ZHC. I even saw several posts along the way mentioning this. Hahaha. Now lay off the walleye, and good luck with your friend.
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BuffaloZ
Guest
RE: What a coincidence...............
Al Bielski did not apply in Nevada, like he claimed to. K.Z. from Crown Point did. 061-068 late was his first deer pick. Don't you hate the way Nevada posts everyone's names, succesful or not? You get to look up everyone's first choice.
Anyway, Bearbow is not Zim. I am Zim...........
Al Bielski did not apply in Nevada, like he claimed to. K.Z. from Crown Point did. 061-068 late was his first deer pick. Don't you hate the way Nevada posts everyone's names, succesful or not? You get to look up everyone's first choice.
Anyway, Bearbow is not Zim. I am Zim...........
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BearBow
Guest
RE: What a coincidence...............
You guys are just cheap imposters. I'm the real Bobcatbess!!!!!!
The only Wes that can yell louder than BuffaloZ!
You guys are just cheap imposters. I'm the real Bobcatbess!!!!!!
The only Wes that can yell louder than BuffaloZ!
RE: What a coincidence...............
Zimbow, I was thinking about this bizarre mystery we have here at MM-land with the case of mistaken identity & I think I have a possible solution/answer to our dilemma.
Zimbow, I think without your knowledge you were cloned from Zim's DNA, your similarity's are so remarkable that you obviously have the same biological make up. With todays advanced technology it's quite possible that you are an exact genetic replica of Zim.
The reason I know this is possible without your knowledge is because I watched the same thing happen to Austin Powers in his movie. If you are a midget, then I know convincingly that you are a mini-Zim. A biological clone of Zim, that is one fourth his size.
When mini-me & Austin powers became aware of each others existence it was a wonderfull reunion.
I think you should e-mail Zim & try to meet him, his e-mail is very similar to yours
Report back here if you are able to meet him.
Zimbow, I was thinking about this bizarre mystery we have here at MM-land with the case of mistaken identity & I think I have a possible solution/answer to our dilemma.
Zimbow, I think without your knowledge you were cloned from Zim's DNA, your similarity's are so remarkable that you obviously have the same biological make up. With todays advanced technology it's quite possible that you are an exact genetic replica of Zim.
The reason I know this is possible without your knowledge is because I watched the same thing happen to Austin Powers in his movie. If you are a midget, then I know convincingly that you are a mini-Zim. A biological clone of Zim, that is one fourth his size.
When mini-me & Austin powers became aware of each others existence it was a wonderfull reunion.
I think you should e-mail Zim & try to meet him, his e-mail is very similar to yours
Report back here if you are able to meet him.
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BearBow
Guest
RE: What a coincidence...............
I'm afraid I never never saw any of those Austin Powers movies. The trailers looked queer. How do I e-mail this Zim? What am I supposed to ask him?
I'm afraid I never never saw any of those Austin Powers movies. The trailers looked queer. How do I e-mail this Zim? What am I supposed to ask him?
