Utah DWR bonus point ($$$) proposal

[utswell]

I was reviewing bonus point proposals for the upcoming RAC meetings and was not pleased with the recommendation to allow hunt applicants purchase points for all species each year.

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http://wildlife.utah.gov/news/08-10/bonus_points.php

Proposal from RAC info:

" 3. An applicant could purchase points for all species each year but could only apply for one Limited Entry and one Once-in-a-Lifetime permit."
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The problem I have with the proposal is with the word "purchase". So,... if I want to keep up in the points race, I will have to purchase points (in my case) for deer, antelope, moose, buffalo, goats, Rocky Mt. bighorn.... which comes to $60. Then I add $30 for applying for Limited elk, desert bighorn, and general deer. Plus the money for the license. That's $120+ for my application. I have some kids, so if they want to keep up with everyone else on points, and have a chance of some good hunts some day, they will(I will) have to spend the $100 plus for each of them.

It sounds like money is no object for the persons who thought this up. Obviously most people won't be able to keep up, and those who buy every possible point will get ahead. Is it hard to see why the DWR likes the idea?

The application fees doubled last year and now this?

I would support the idea of applying for extra bonus points if there was no additional cost, just $10 for all Limited Entry and $10 for all Once-in-a-Lifetime.

 

[Hazmat]

Just spreading the wealth, buddy. Speading the wealth.......

 

[jrgur4343]

Hazmat, I agree with your point just wait till this new freak OBAMA takes office things are gonna get alot worse.
As for the purchase of bonus points they need to reduce the cost.
Otherwise I think it is a good idea.

 

[DonVathome]

Yikes, one good thing about Utah is picking a species. Points for all will hurt odds. I am in for elk until I draw but if this goes through I will be getting points for almost everything, then when I draw elk I will start hurting someones deer odds that has been at it a lot longer.

 

[JACO]

I think that this is a bad idea altogether. Being able to add bonus points for every species every year will just increase the number of years it will take to draw a tag because you will have way more applicants every year, and the same number of tags. It already takes 14 years to have a decent chance of drawing an elk tag in some of the better areas in Utah. I'm not in favor of increasing that.

Double the number of applicants, with the same number of tags means that it will take twice as long to draw a tag. Not a good idea IMO.

 

[swbuckmaster]

it gets worse
the 10 bucks you get for each species dosent go to utah it goes to Nevada


the pyrimid scheme is getting a larger base. this hurts everyone


I am in favor of getting rid of the group applications because this is where all the abuse is happening.

Archery is a year round commitment!!

 

[2_Point]

The Nevada Co is contracted with the F&G at a rate around $3-4 per application. The F&G does get some money off the deal.

This idea stinks! Every species will now take years to wait and draw.

 

[marley]

How is this any different than every other western state. utah is the only one that makes you pick one species. Every other state allows you to get points for each species.

I do agree that we need to get rid of the group applicants being able to turn the tag back in and get a point. These wives that don't hunt but have 15 points to add to their husbands 0 points is keeping alot from getting their tag. I say you can turn the tag in for your money back but no additional point gained and after 2 times of turning it in your points are gone.

 

[cjg_beef]

I think it's a bad idea. Like said it'll take longer and longer to draw a tag. The only good thing I see is that the F&G will be able to add some more brand new trucks to their line-up of brand new trucks...

 

[swbuckmaster]

there should be no reason you should be able to turn your tag back in. except for military leave.

it is not fair for a guy like who ever is putting in for the paunsagunt every year with max points to draw the tag and then turn it back in because he/or she cant find the 500" buck

then some guy gets a letter 2 days before the hunt begins and it says congrats you are successful to bad you only get one day to scout.

if you dont plan on hunting that year purchase a bonus point or dont apply.

Archery is a year round commitment!!

 

[JREDBUCK]

I'm in favor of building for the future. Like it was said before Utah is just about the only state that makes you choose.
The kicker would be to put it to the non-residents, that is how you make money.

Arizona
Nevada
Idaho
and Wyoming is near $1000.00 just to put in

I just plan on loosing that money each year.

The cheap ones are

Utah
Colorado
New Mexico

I would love to put in for multple species in my own state.
Please Mr. DWR make it happen.

 

[HUNTINFORLIFE]

Your Selfish BASTARD what about your kids if this points proposal goes through. Your kids that cant put in for a point yet will probably never draw a LE tag in there life. If you are 1 year behind on this point proposal you will be you will be behind 6000 people if you unfortunate to be behind 2 years or more it will be over 12000 people ahead. base on the number of tags giving out there were 2300 tags given out that will take you 5 years longer to draw a tag if you are 2 years behind so if you have a kid that is 5 years old. the odds when you draw a tag will be over 30 years.

 

[MEEW]

+1 huntinforlife...out kids better get used to huntin pisscutters cause that is all they will ever get...let alone ourselves it is gonna take forever to draw even a cantaloupe tag

 

[1highpeak]

Being able to buy point for every species looks like your 12 Point earned by waiting will be the new 0 in the pool cause everyone going to have a TON of points IMO.

 

[thebuckstopshere]

LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-08 AT 12:17PM (MST)[p]Its good to see that none of you are wasting brain cells really thinking about the proposal that you can put in for points for any species you want, but still only apply for one species.

It would really suck if anyone actually thought about this for a second and realized, that being able to collect say both deer and elk bonus points is actually the ONLY way many of you will EVER have a chance at say hunting both LE Elk and LE Deer in Utah.

Its funny that you "poor" tards have to react with such vigor every time the DWR changes anything and may actually make a buck in the process. Trust me, if you are diligent, and put in every year, in the long run you may have a chance at both LE Elk and LE deer if this goes through. Otherwise, you may wait your whole lifetime to get a LE elk tag, and then have to start at scratch on deer.

Just my .02.

 

[gznokes]

Bonus point inflation is a bad idea. This proposal is a bad idea.

 

[backinthegame]

Hey buckstopshere...WHEN this goes through you're still starting from stratch when you draw your LE elk tag and then start in on deer.

Only now you're starting from scratch with 10 points...why? Because EVERYONE else who was putting in for elk was buying points too, so now that they've drawn elk just like you, it's time for them to start in on deer. And they're starting from scratch. With 10 points, just like you!!! So yup, it's a nice warm, fuzzy feeling to say "Hey, I have 10 deer points already!" Unfortunately, those 10 points aren't worth a damn thing cause WE ALL have 10 points too...starting from scratch.

On the upside, rather than starting from scratch with zero points at least when starting from scratch with 10 you've already paid $100 bucks. Yipee.

 

[swbuckmaster]

thebuckstopshere listen to backinthegame he knows what he is talking about. He gets it


Archery is a year round commitment!!

 

[MEEW]

+1 swbuckmaster

 

[TopPin34]

+1 SW
I keep hearing the complaining about how hard it is to draw a LE tag, this proposal just makes it more difficult in the long run, and overall odds will go down. I like the idea of having to choose your species. And the money issue I have no problem with, I think the DWR should make a little money for bonus points, it does cost money to manage game, so they should make sure they're getting enough money to appropriately manage, which I think they need to work on, but they can't achieve any of OUR goals without proper funding.

 

[Big_uns]

This argument about changing the BP system is kinda making me laugh!!!

Everyone on here that is arguing should realize that it will not hurt them at all, if you already have BP's!!! The only thing it will do is lower your chances on a "SECOND" limited entry or once in a lifetime, Me personally I do not care, I would just like to at least draw ONCE!!!!!! I have ten points for elk and none for deer anyhow, so yes this would benefit me because, I would be able to start building points for deer now before I am dead!!!

The max you can have right now is fifteen, so "NO" the guys that start putting in right now are not going to effect my FIRST LE tag. As long as the dwr alocates 50% to points they will never hurt me!!!

As far as the OIL is going, I will never even draw my "FIRST" moose tag until I am retired any how!!! What will I start putting in for then Bighorn sheep, rocky mountain goat, or just quit putting in for hunts!!! Because clearly I might have a better chance of winning the powerball by then!!!

 

[MEEW]

Big_uns, you are totally missing the boat...you are right about probabally never drawing a OIL tag again but it will only be harder if everybody that is putting in for elk right now can also buy a deer or antelope or whaterver...there is still 15 years ahead of you + if you factor in everybody else that starts buying points now including you starting at the bottom of a species that is only common sense it is going to get harder and more costly and you will DEFINATELY not draw another species unless you hit 2 lotteries come on....right now you are only contending with the elk hunters that want a tag as bad as you...if this passes and you buy deer points also then you are contending with everybody and their wife and daughter and uncle and dog and .....comprenday

 

[Hazmat]

Not to stir the pot any more BUT did the proposal say you could buy bonus points during your waiting period for the species you are waiting on?

 

[Big_uns]

Actually I did not miss the boat, I am driving it!!!

I am 36 years old, under the current point system, I have "NO" chance, of drawing a deer tag, for probably I would guess 5 more years.( rough guess on how much longer it will take me to draw elk) Because I cannot put in for deer and elk at the same time. If the new system goes into effect, at age 41 I would be starting with five points, and a slim chance of drawing because I do understand that everyone will be doing this also!! But that is way better than "no chance" which it will be right now when I hit 41!! I will have nothing and an even slimmer chance, cause everyone else will 20 or so by then, also the number of actual big game applications probably will not change too much, Because you would still only be able to apply for "ONE" species!!! All the rest would just be point purchasers!!!

 

[utswell]

This proposal comes down to the question,

"It it a fair policy to charge hunters high fees to apply for additional bonus points."

I don't think it is fair, the cost is so high that it will put many hunters, if not most, at a disadvantage because they can't afford the extra application fees. Young applicants especially will be left out. A hunter with 4 kids could pay up to $600 each year to apply.

Again,
I would support the idea of applying for extra bonus points if there was no additional cost, just $10 for all Limited Entry and $10 for all Once-in-a-Lifetime.