RULES FOR OUT-OF-STATERS

[five_point_buck]

I've been blessed over the last 10 years to have the opportunity to go hunt out of state places. This year, I will be returning to gorgeous Colorado. The lessons I've learned, and the camaraderie I have shared have shaped and molded me as a man, hunter, and friend. I am grateful for my experiences, and have met some super people along the way.

I wanted to get a thread going that might identify things to do or look out for when others with less experience go out of state, maybe for the first time.

Please post some of your own dos and don'ts

Mind the speed limits in and out of small towns, lots of speed traps. Especially east of Park City before Heber. In and out of Duschesne and Roosevelt, and my favorite hot spot.. both sides od Dinosaur (those guys are crafty!).

When you need to leave a tip, leave 4 or 5 bucks per guy, not a percentage of a bill. I see guys play blackjack and bet 5-10-25$ per hand, but then leave a waitress 5$ for 6 guys. That's Bull$hit. You aren't gonna miss that 5 spot, and they will aprreciate it more than the casino.


Be polite, offer a hand, and don't cuss around strangers. Nothing worse than the loud mouth ?out-of-stater? acting like a jackass in some sleepy little town.


Good Luck to everyone

Larry Pasero Jr.
five_point_buck
C.B.C.S.

 

[COSA]

I definatley agree with the tipping advice. What's a few more bucks when compared to the price of the whole trip. Money is the universal language. That waitress, who probably could give a rat's ass about hunting, may be in the voting booth deciding the fate of our sport in the next few years.

 

[Huntnup]

I am not an expert, but I just try and be respectful and treat people how I would like my Mom or sisters to be treated. It is no secret that small towns love when it is hunting season, that will keep them fed in the months to come.

1. Leave that extra dollar on the table.
2. Remember your manners, hold the door open for the girls, please and thank you are always good.
3.Watch you speed in towns! they have little kids also.
4. Save the trash talk and cussing for the camp fire.

Good luck to everyone!! I hope you get that one chance that all of use hunters dream about!

Huntnup

 

[FAIRCHASEBEN]

LITTER , every bottle cap , cigarette butt or candy wrapper should be picked up when you leave !

 

[Gator]

Be friendly, when waved at wave back(it's just a sign of hello) If you see some -one broke stop and offer to help(most of the time help is already on the way) He could be a landowner that might return the favor. If you get permission to hunt on some ones land be sure and close the Gates and don't tear up the road or their land(if it muddy or snowy) Tip those waitress all the good things they say about you around town will help all the hunters.

 

[dutch]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-06-05 AT 01:57PM (MST)[p]We see alot of what has been mentioned above. Many out of staters are great people and 99% of the time I'd rather talk to them than the residents! I meet so many different but wonderful characters especially from the south. Lot of great stories, always polite and willing to help out it seems.
Most of the residents are kind of stuck up and think they know it all when you pull into their camp. If the plates are in state I usually don't stop just to talk.
I always laugh at the 'locals' her in Durango who ##### about Texans moving in. Pretty much all of them are from the east or west coast to begin with then they ##### about them. The texans are much nicer people than these idiots on their mountain bikes.
dutch
" Man who excels at putting worm on hook is Master Baiter"

 

[MrBaitnFish]

Yes I am.

 

[kilowatt]

Back in 1996 a group of us were hunting out of Shoshone, WY and we ate dinner ever night in about the only place there to eat. After the first night, we were treated like ROYALITY, couldn't have enjoyed it more anywhere else. We were about the only non-locals in there every night and we tipped the gals good.
One night we ordered dinner, there was 11 of us, and one of the fellas asked if he could substitute his salad and have french fries, she said you are getting FF with your steak already. He said I know but want more FF, so she looked over in the corner at the owner, the owner said " Give them whatever they want, and don't question it either". Some locals were sitting there and were dumb founded on what they heard.
We treated them like we wanted to be treated, it pays off in the long run. Had a ball there and the owner was invited over one evening to try some pan fried ABALONE STEAKS. She want ed come home with us after that. LOL

Brian

 

[kilbuc]

What goes around ..comes around. If anyone has never had abalone you don't know what a treat that would be for someone in a small WY town. Way to go.

from the "Heartland of Wyoming"

 

[Oldshed]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-07-05 AT 08:15PM (MST)[p]I have one.

Keep your quad on designated trails.

I saw a guy from Utah here in Az on an early Bull hunt.

He parked his truck at the head of an old rd that was clearly posted no motor vehicles.

Unloaded his quad and drove down the faint trail thru grass that was 2 feet high.

His license was something like ELKD--. I left out the last 2 letters.. why ? I am not sure

He will be getting a call from the game and fish , funny thing is the rancher whose land he was on would have told him were a big bull was, If he had the decency to just ask and not drive all over the ranch. Good luck to the next out of stater wanting advice in this area.

 

[missinMT]

Great advice all. My home town takes in numerous non-res hunters and as I recall, they were no more disrespectful than the residents who felt they had certain "local-yokel" rights. Don't be shy, but don't be over-bearing. If allowed to hunt on private land, just listen to the landowners desires. It really is not too complicated, just treat folks well. I always remember what my grandfather said, "gotta learn how to hunker a spell with folks". Farmers and ranchers that I know like to talk, so oblige. If they do not want hunters, say thanks anyway and move on. Get yourself a landowner map, available from most county seats, and you can get names of folks that own land you may want too hunt. My 2 cents...

 

[Tuffbucker]

These are all EXCELLENT suggestions. Just remember, these apply to the IN-STATERS/LOCALS as well. Im from SLC, but Ive hunted near the small towns of Fairview and Mt. Pleasant most of my life. I try to implement an almost idenitcal set of rules as have been mentioned before. Just cause Im from this State,im still an outsider when I come to the small town.

I just hope Im doing my part to give us SLC guys a good reputation.....since some of the SLC guys have been giving us a bad rap for a while!

SCOTT

 

[Blueoak]

Remember to buy your fireworks locally. How you doing 5point?

 

[ID_Paul]

Everything I have to say can be boiled down to "have respect for others."

Money may be the "universal language" but having more of it than the people whose home area you are visiting does not absolve you of the responsibility to show respect for them and their lifestyle. Some things are not for sale. For myself and some people I know, few things will make you unwelcome faster than offering money for something that is considered a birthright or heritage.

When travelling to your hunt, SLOW DOWN!! You're on vacation, not stressing about a 9:00 AM business meeting. I can not begin to count how many times I've been driving the highway speed limit or a bit over, only to be practically run over by a truck or SUV from out of state, and most times they are from the same state (I live in Idaho. I'll let you guess which state I'm referring to, and it is not Oregon, Washington or Nevada). Adapt your driving style to the local style, and there's a better chance that everyone gets to go home in one piece.

As mentioned by FairChaseBen, show respect for the land. Pick up your litter, leave a clean camp. I will never forget the time that some NR hunters (same state as the drivers that run me over) shared a small campsite with us in the central Idaho wilderness. They seemed OK enough in camp, but when they left, they left a pile of severed deer and elk heads in their firepit. The disrespect that showed for both the game and other people left a permanent mark on my memory, and is one of the first things that pops into my mind any time I see hunters with license plates from that state.

If you use ATVs, keep them on legal, open roads and trails. Believe it or not, those gates apply to you too.

 

[five_point_buck]

Blueoak....

You crack me up. I have a special order in, lots of bang on the way.
Good to hear from you. How'd the Kali seasons treat you?

ID_PAUL...
Please don't think I was implying that money solves everyhting. I am by no means a rich man. My experiences have made me wealthy beyond my dreams. I have few ways of showing my appretiation to the locals and others that put up with me while I chase my dreams. My respect and generous tipping, as well as my please and thank you's are what I offer.

Sadly, I'm sure it was some a-hole from Kalifornia that has deeply etched these memories in your mind, Like tuffbucker, I spend a lot of time trying to change past wrongs from others from my state. Someday I hope people get the idea that were all really from the same place.... America.





five_point_buck
C.B.C.S.

 

[ID_Paul]

five_point - My post wasn't for you personally, and I didn't see anything in your post about money that I found offensive. In fact, I agree with you. When in a business, money is the most important thing. My post was a generic review of all the things I have experienced personally and heard first-hand from other Idaho natives.

I have some good friends that moved here from California, so I know that not everyone is that way. I also know that there are selfish and disrespectful people from every state.

 

[Bambistew]

I think the biggest one that I see is people flocking to town to get drunk! The biggest aholes I see are not only NR but guys from out of town that think that they have a licence to be an a$$ just becuase they are from out of town. Drink in moderation or at camp.

 

[eweikum338]

First of all, I live in California. I own a small ranch where I have hunted all my life. I also love to hunt other States for a chance at a big Muley or Bull Elk.
I have hunted most of the Western States and the one thing that really is a pet peeve of mine is litter. When my brother and I pull up camp, you cannot even tell we were there. We take out everything we bring in with us, as well as everyone elses junk who hunted or stayed there prior to us.
I am also a firm believe in leaving a very healthy tip when frequenting the local diners. I also leave a nice tip when I have a flat tire repaired at the local gas station or anywhere else I stop to do business. I am not by any means wealthy or rich, but I will spend my very hard earned retirement checks on the local economy where I hunt.
As a private land owner, I treat other's property the way I want hunters to treat mine. Keep it clean and leave it as you found it.
The best of luck to all of you who get to hunt this year and remember to keep it clean. Unfortunately, I will miss this year do to high gas prices.

338

 

[Grasshopper]

How about camping etiquette?

TOO many times, I have had non-residents pull-in and set up within feet of me. It doesn't matter if you've camped there for years, first come - first to reserve!

The west has wide open spaces, leave at least a 1/2 mile between your camp and the next guy.

Just because you camp within 15 feet of the next guy back home in Louisiana , Missouri or Arkansas doesn't mean you should do the same out west. Many residents enjoy hunting and a sense of solitude is a big part of the experience, and when you pull in and set up camp within feet of others - your disrupting their hunt.

I could care less about how you tip.

 

[easymoney]

This issue like many others, is one of ethics. Some have them and some don't, Period!

It should not matter what state or region you are from or where you go to hunt. We are all sportsmen(or women)and love what we do. We are all in this together.
Poaching for any reason, stealing someone else's game(if you didn't shoot it or catch it, it belongs to someone else), trespassing for any reason other than game recovery by permission(if it's not your land it belongs to someone else), driving offroad for any reason especially in the wilderness, driving drunk, hunting or shooting while drinking, spray and pray shooting, "spotting" game through a rifle scope, leaving trash behind for any reason, or any other scumbag illegal unethical behavior should not be done nor tolerated period!!!!
It is always a shame that misbehaving by anyone is excused or tolerated for any reason. If you are visiting another state or even just someone else's property, you are a diplomat for this sport and there are those who hate what we love to do. They are just waitng for any excuse to make us look bad and stop hunting at any cost. So, when you go afield be aware of what you do and who might be watching you, especially "the Big Man Upstairs"...
Just my two cents...

 

[bkhunter]

Don't forget that while hunting in Wyoming you need to help us out with our our "large" coyote problem. They are a strange variety of coyote that seems a lot larger then most others and are usually a "black or greyish tint" to them. No need to pick them up after letting the air out. Just leave them for the birds. Probably would be a good idea not to tell anyone that you did it though.

 

[Cass]

My biggest rule of out of staters.
If you ask me for advice while in the hills, i'm gonna be honest and tell you what i've seen. Tell you where to go for what you're looking for if i've come acrosse bucks / bulls / elk / deer. But in return, Be courteous enough to share some info with me that is actually legit.
Example. I was 14, on my first ever youth hunt. Was up in area 11 on a bow hunt and the Cow hunt had just started. Well, A guy from Utah came up to my camp and asked if we had seen any elk in the area cuz he was having trouble finding them. I told him that there had been a herd hanging down the road about 200 yards. Then I asked him for some info on deer and he goes "Oh yea theres a big 4 pnt that's been in the field every day that's he's been up there. Sure enough I knew this was bull because i'd been watching that field for the past 3 days, the next morning he comes driving by with a cow elk in the back of his jeep. Be honest and respect the hills. Don't litter.



-Cass

 

[schmalts]

why should you think nonres should act any different than the residents? It all comes down to ethics and respect. As far as the tipping statement... Not that i am cheap but why should a nonres tip at a restraunt more than a resident? Do you think all nonresidents are made of money?
This whole topic is a slap in the face for some guys because i see tons of residents alike that act like morons with thier ATV's Its not about where you live, its how you act.
So the topic should have been called "Rules for hunters"

 

[five_point_buck]

Scmaltz,

Your about a week late. This was posted after a few posts talked about hunters from out of state and how they are viewed. In an effot to upgrade outsiders image, some people shared some things that have helped them in the past.

You made some good points, true, everyhting listed here should be the responsibility of locals, residents, and non residents. Ethics are ethics any way you slice it. About the tipping thing. No one said do something above your means. I would bet that any guy out hunting can scare up a few more bucks to tip a waitress. We spend all sorts of dough on gas, tags, ammo, rifles etc etc... surely you can fork over a few bucks for somebody that is serving you. A lot of these smaller towns we all hunt out of depend on the dollars earned during a fall hunting season. This includes the gas stations, the mom and pop stores, the restauraunts etc etc. We might be visiting for a week or two but these folks are responsible for the area year around. Maybe if they know hunting money is coming back, then it would be worth their while to preserve and maintain areas and keep them junk free. Maybe even do some habitat work.





five_point_buck
C.B.C.S.