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LAST EDITED ON Oct-10-05 AT 05:17PM (MST)[p]Does anybody else feel like last years utah rifle deer hunt wiped out a huge number of bucks? I have hunted hard ever since the archery opener this year and have only seen two bucks worth shooting. Last year I felt I saw a lot more shooter bucks, but I also saw more dead bucks than ever before. I am worried about this years rifle hunt, will there be another slaughtering or none left from last year?
 
I know the feeling. Saw a bunch of little two points and only two bucks that I spent all my time on.

What area are you hunting?
 
We went up in early september and cut a horse trail out in a rugged remote area. Saw several real nice deer, but the area is really remote and is bordered by a lot of private land. The deer in this area are doing as well as ever. I doubt they hardly ever see another human, and I know nobody, but a guide service hunted there last year.

T
 
Hey Guys lets get serious about why the deer population is down. Its not the poachers or even the number of deer that were killed last year. It is simply this, the DWR has dropped the ball on controlling predators in Utah. A female couger with cubs will eat 3 deer a week (156/year) w/o cubs & males will eat 1 a week (52/year). The most profiecent poacher in the state doesnt touch that number. All I've given you is the cougar numbers tac on coyotes, bears and coming to a forest near you wolves that number will increase exponentualy. You know their is alot of cougars in the area when you start seeing them and I've seen 2 this year. In the 60's you didn't see cougers or two people didn't see them because you shot them when you saw them. The 60's in my opinion were the glory years of Utah mule deer hunting. Plus in the 60's there was alot more poaching going on because thats how people used to feed their famlies. The bottom line is this, the most leathal predator in the state is currently in charge of wildlife in Utah. Until that changes the deer herd will continue to decrease.

Elking
 
Exactly. there needs to be more cougar hunting taking place big time.

And wolves will eat more elk then they will deer.
 
While I'll agree that cougars do have a big impact on deer herds, I don't agree that they're the biggest problem.

There are a lot of factors. In my opinion the largest factor is the human hunter.

Utah has pounded the crap out of cougars for the last several years, which is fine by me:)

What Utah has failed to do (also) is manage the human hunter. Last years slaughter in certain areas would of and could of been avoided if the DWR would manage hunters (and deer) in smaller units-LIKE COLORADO.

If cougars were the biggest piece of the puzzle you'd see deer numbers hurting the same on private lands (CWMUs) as they are on the public units. From what I can tell, CWMUs that manage thier properties right (by managing human harvest) are doing just fine-unless they summer deer all year only to have them pounded by the masses during a season like last years.

I'll take the heat for this comment too. The dedicated hunter program provides A TON of good for our wildlife in terms on man hours. However, I think it's one of the factors our deer herds are in sad shape. For the most part it's a good program, but I think it needs to be tweaked.

It seems to breed party hunting, unethical archery shots that equal wounded deer, and just plain more pressure on our deer herds.

Don't think we should do away with the program, I'd just like to see some changes to it.

For now I'll just sit back let your opinions fly and be glad I hunt out of state every year!:)
 
I guess you asked for the heat about dedicated hunters and I just want to say that everything contributes to the decline of the mule deer population! Just a observation that I have made about Dedicated Hunters is that the majority do it to harvest a mature buck within the 3 years of the deal, now on this subject I would say that the majority only harvest 1 deer out of the 3! I don't know all of the statitistics but I do know a few dozen that participate and if I asked 12 of them how many deer they have harvested in 3 years the answer would be about 16 deer taken, it looks like we just saved 8 deer not many but better than the averave hunter that takes a buck every year!

Mark my word but if the snow flys during the rifle hunt and hunters don't hold back on all of those 2 points that are out there this year, there won't be any bucks next year and the deer population will drop in 1/2 next year. And if thats the case I will be hunting out of state next year as well!!!!
 
In my opinion, cougars are a huge factor. The land that I hunt has had a major decline in hunting pressure the last 10 years. It used to have many hunters in the area, now it is just me and my brothers. The deer numbers have dropped alot. I have seen more cougars and more cougar kills. So don't tell me that it is the human factor when there has been less hunting in this area and the deer numbers continue to decline! The habitat has been the same, water is plentiful, less human hunters in the last 10 years and the winter range is the same as it has always been, so why have the numbers dropped, My conclusion is cougars!!!
 
>There are a lot of factors.
>In my opinion the largest
>factor is the human hunter.
>
>What Utah has failed to do
>(also) is manage the human
>hunter. Last years slaughter in
>certain areas would of and
>could of been avoided if
>the DWR would manage hunters
>(and deer) in smaller units-LIKE
>COLORADO.
>
>If cougars were the biggest piece
>of the puzzle you'd see
>deer numbers hurting the same
>on private lands (CWMUs) as
>they are on the public
>units. From what I can
>tell, CWMUs that manage thier
>properties right (by managing human
>harvest) are doing just fine-unless
>they summer deer all year
>only to have them pounded
>by the masses during a
>season like last years.

If hunters were the biggest piece of the puzzle we'd see an overabundance of deer in Nat Parks here in Utah where hunting isnt allowed. Parks are NOT overrun with deer therefore hunters are NOT the biggest piece of the puzzle at least with respect to them.

As for CWMU's ... they manage their predators much better than public ground because they are trying to raise animals. I agree they limit hunting a bit more but its not the major issue.

>I'll take the heat for this
>comment too. The dedicated hunter
>program provides A TON of
>good for our wildlife in
>terms on man hours. However,
>I think it's one of
>the factors our deer herds
>are in sad shape. For
>the most part it's a
>good program, but I think
>it needs to be tweaked.

I agree with this. Raise license costs, drop the program.

I also want to see Statewide Archery restricted on a per unit basis like Muzzleloader and Rifle hunters.
 
I believe that the problem lies with the phylosophy of the DWR of wanting to give more people more "opportunity" every year. Giving hunters more opportunities at young forkies is like serving people at a restaurant a 4oz. hamburger patty when they ordered a 10oz T-bone steak.

Management of the hunters plays a large part of the lack of mature bucks in Utah. Sure I agree predators contribute along with harsh winters and severe droubt. But when the natural elements change, the management of the human hunter doesn't change enough to deal with the deficit.

I think all of us would be willing to give up hunting "opportunities" if when you did go out hunting, the quality of the hunt was MUCH better. Because even the year or two you sit a hunt out, you can still enjoy seeing mature buck out in the woods where we can all hunt thier sheds. Sheds worth hunting for.

I've hunted the same region the last 4 years with nothing to show for it. I would gladly trade 3 of those tag soup years in for one quality hunt!

I believe drastic changes need to take place the next 4-5 years in order to get this state back to something respectable. I would have more fun going along on a hunt with someone else who has a tag when the chance of them harvesting a buck worth displaying against the wives' demands, than I do hunting for something taht doesn't exist. I'm not asking for record book trophies, just a mature buck would be a nice thing to enjoy.
 
When the Bighorn sheep were released on Timp (Mahogony) we found just how many cougars can live in one spot. Within the week, 2 sheep were killed by cougars and the rest were run off the mountain and into the homes below. So the DWR went on a cougar killing rampage. From Dry Creek to the mouth of Provo Canyon, around 40 cougars were taken. Lots more than any biologist I talked with had expected to see killed.

Now look at the deer herd in this area. High fawn rates. Increasing deer population. This area gets hunted hard and there are still a 15 buck per 100 doe ratio. Before the cougars were taken there was far less deer.

As for the dedicated hunters.... Is this really a joke for the topic of decreasing deer herds???? Extreme low success rates, many hunters NEVER harvesting a deer in the program, $millions$ in donated time/resources/materials -all which BENEFITS wildlife-, etc. You guys who want to disban the program most likely do not donate a dime or a minute to the resource which you want to use (license fees don't count).

Ans there are still deer out there, you just need to go find them.
 
oh believe me I hike far in search of nice bucks and I always get plenty of chances at bucks, but they are always little two and three points. Don't get me wrong I have seen plenty of big bucks but it seems that I am seeing less and less every year. Personally I think that part of the problem is that to many hunters go out and shoot the first deer with an antler on its head. To many young bucks are getting killed, they don't have a chance to grow.
 
When a person buys a deer tag it is up to them what they shoot. If they want to shoot a 2 point there is not a thing that you or I can do about it.
If someone uses what they harvest, i could care less how big it is.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-11-05 AT 09:20PM (MST)[p]If you look on a map of where most trophy mulies have been harvested in the past decade or so (Western WY, Eastern NV, Western CO, Northern AZ, SE Idaho), Utah is right in the middle. What a waste of opportunity in the defense of opportunity.
 
Some good thoughts and ideas about our situation here in the beehive state. It frustrates the hell out of me to see the potential we have go to waste.

Here's a couple of other thoughts-The muzzleloader hunt was moved into September to give the deer a chance-stop the hunt during the prerut. Unless I'm wrong, muzzleloader success rates have more than doubled in most of the state. I think this is another small piece of the deer problem.

If most dedicated hunters are happy only harvesting 1 deer in 3 years then so be it. Let's make it 1 deer in 3 years and only allow hunters to hunt during 2 of the hunts.

I see plenty of deer on Utah's national parks (and other nonhunted areas) and some great big ones to boot. How many cougars and coyotes do they harvest off of antelope island? Maybe a bunch I'm just curious. How about the Wasatch front? Is the deer hunting on Timp really that good now?

I agree that cougars, coyotes, bears, etc, etc, have an impact on our deer herds. Those predators are a lot harder to manage than the human predator. We need to limit the number of hunters, or try to lower our success rates somehow.

Bottom line is there are too many deer harvested in Utah right now for it to be much of a contender as a trophy muley state.

I like the steak to hamburger analogy...

I think anyone that has hunted out of state lately would agree that Utah isn't doing too great.

I hope that some major changes are made soon. Maybe a few more conservation tags would help out:)
 
"Here's a couple of other thoughts-The muzzleloader hunt was moved into September to give the deer a chance-stop the hunt during the prerut. Unless I'm wrong, muzzleloader success rates have more than doubled in most of the state. I think this is another small piece of the deer problem."

Prism,
I'd like to see the data on the statistics your talking about. What is the harvest numbers from recent years compared to when the hunt was in November and the number of tags issued compared to now? When the Muzzleloader hunt was in November, it seemed like thats when you seen the biggest bucks harvested. I don't think you would want to put the hunt in November again. Imagine throwing the Inline Muzzleloaders into the equation.

You may be right on the number of harvest being higher now, but I don't think thats due to the season change. I think its due to the invention of the inline muzzleloader and the number of people that hunt with them now. It seemed like before the inlines were out it was just a select few that muzzleloader hunted. I'm not against them, I went out and bought one like everyone else. I'm sure I'll take some heat on this one, but who knows someone that had never muzzleloader hunted before until they became a dedicated hunter. I may be wrong, but the quota of tags does not include the dedicated hunters that are also allowed to hunt that season.
 
Elkoholic,

I think I've read the stats online somewhere and they had them listed in the procalamtion a few years ago. I'll have to do some digging and get back with you on that.

Ofcourse we're talking about Utah's stats so there is no way to really know how accurate they are. Why Utah doesn't require all hunters to fill out a harvest survey is beyond me. That would make too much sense.......

Ditto on the inlines during the rut, and the amount of new muzzleloader hunters due to the dedicated hunter program.

15 Bucks bucks per 100 does should be bumped to 20-25 bucks per 100 does.

I know there there are A LOT of people out there that could care less how big of a buck they shoot. That's fine. But, I personaly think we're seeing a shift in what most hunters want out of a hunt. They want (atleast) a decent chance to see some mature bucks. Utah's current management plans aren't cutting it anymore.

The really sad part is that unless this (really) becomes an agenda for our policy setting conservation group(s) the DWR wont do a thing about it. Is it on the agenda? You bet! But, I think it needs to be pushed more.
 
Yes, I can see it now. The 8,000 dedicated hunters in Utah, which donate $millions$ to our wildlife, are the cause for the decline of mule deer in Utah and are keeping Mule Deer number oppressed. The 1,200 bucks these 8,000 hunters (or should I say poachers) are taking each year would be the difference makers in Utah's Mule Deer future. Thanks for helping me see the light. (Sarcasm for those serious readers among us)

If smaller units are that much better then why does Nevada have a declining deer herd with small units and low tag numbers in place? Arizona has the same problem. So why would it make Utah so much better?

Everytime you limit the number of hunters, you will increase the success rate. In Utah, 10,000 tags in a region today gets 2,500 dead bucks. Lower hunters to 5,000 and you may still get 2,500 dead bucks.

Colorado is great and I would like to see our herd such as theirs, but they aren't all roses. It is more than just small units. What other components are contributing to their herd increase?

I agree that the new technology of muzzleloaders is cause for higher success rates. People believe more in them now, which causes muzzleloader hunters to do things they didn't 10 years ago. Inlines (not the ones from the 1700's), sabots, 209 primers, weather proof ignition, pellets, cellulose based powders, all make it easier to hunt and kill with a muzzleloader. But the Utah muzzleloader quota comes from the rifle quota, which means the success rate would be the same with either weapon.
 
Those dang dedicate poachers anyways:) Good program just needs to be tweaked......

According to the 2004 proc. the muzzleloader success rate for the state in 2002 was 25.10%. I'm almost 100% certain it was closer to 10-13% when the hunt was in November. I think that is partially due to the new technologies, and the time of year.

You're right about Colorado's success not only having to do with smaller subunits. It also has to do with the fact that they've cut hunter numbers BIG TIME in certain units. The smaller units allow the CDOW the ability to more effectively manage deer AND hunters. Utah's current plan doesn't-atleast not very effectively.

Nevada manages their deer VERY conservatively. They do not have near the amount of good deer habitat Utah has. That being said I think it'd be CRAZY to take a Utah general deer tag over a Nevada tag. It's been 2 years since I hunted Nevada in one of their worst deer units (they even warn you there are low numbers of deer) I'd gladly swap a general Utah tag to hunt over there again.

The other states are far from perfect. I can't believe that Idaho is still allowing hunters to purchase 2 deer tags. That's freaking crazy if you ask me, and goes to show how much good management is thrown out the window when there's some money to be made.

Thanks for keeping this post headed in a pretty good direction. I know we're all pretty passionate about our mule deer, and for the most part we all want the same thing-BIG BUCKS!
 
Personally I don't think the dedicated hunters even put a scratch in things here in UT. You figure we currently have around 6500 dedicated hunters right now. Of those only 2/3 of them are even eligible to shoot a buck and I know for sure that a big majority of them still don't take 2 bucks out of the 3 years. Just for kicks lets say that we have a 25% success rate (which is probably still to high). That would only be about 1000 bucks each year throughout the whole state. UT gives 97000 deer tags! To me that doesn't seem like much. In reality it's not even like all 1000 bucks are "extra" or above what would have been taken anyway. If the guys that are currently dedicated hunters were not dedicated hunters then they would still be hunting on either the bow, muzz or rifle hunt and would be able to shoot a buck every single year if they wanted to without having to worry about next year so much. My guess is they wouldn't be donating around 52,000 hours per year to wildlife just for the fun of it either. I think the good outweighs the bad by a looong shot! Last thing, I know there are dumb a$$es out there that will take dumb shots and wound deer and maybe even shoot deer and leave the lay but I don't think they do it because they're dedicated hunters. I think idiots like that will do the same thing either way. Just my thoughts on the subject...

Prism, said "I know there there are A LOT of people out there that could care less how big of a buck they shoot. That's fine. But, I personaly think we're seeing a shift in what most hunters want out of a hunt. They want (atleast) a decent chance to see some mature bucks. Utah's current management plans aren't cutting it anymore."

I totally agree with you man. I think in the past the UDWR's excuse of "most people out there just want to hunt and they don't care if they shoot a big buck" may have been somewhat true but from what I'm seeing and hearing it's getting further and further from the truth every day. They need to be more open and flexible and realize what the people who are paying their wages really want. Maybe splitting the state up into more units is the answer? Maybe we should just have a few more limited entry areas that are managed for quality? You wouldn't draw every year but when maybe when you did you could have an increased chance at a mature buck.

I also think it would be a good idea to have mandatory reporting for each hunter every year. If you don't turn your questionare back in then you are not eligible to put in the following year. We could have one of the questions be something like this so they would really know what people want instead of just guessing or ASSuming.

Why do you hunt deer in Utah?

A. Because I like to spend time in the outdoors with friends and family and would eventually like to harvest a mature buck.
B. Because I like to spend time in the outdoors with friends and family and will shoot any legal buck.
C. I just want to shoot any legal buck to provide meat for my family.
D. I just want to see if I can really shoot a buck. Then I'll probably just leave it lay so I don't have to punch my tag, quit hunting and get all bloody.
E. I want to donate my money to the DWR because I love them.
Other._______________________________________________________

(sorry about D and E) :)

Now I know the UDWR will say that they don't have the man power to go through each of the questionares that are returned so I have a solution for that too. Just cut the number of tags in half and then it will be twice as easy! :)

Whew! That was long... Back to work now! :)

NvrEnuf
 
I hate to re-open this can of worms again because in the past I've had my but chewed up oneside and down the other for even saying it; But like Prism said, "Thanks for keeping this post headed in a pretty good direction. I know we're all pretty passionate about our mule deer, and for the most part we all want the same thing-BIG BUCKS!" so lay off the 2-points this year huh guys??? After last years slaughter we all could be in for a world of hurt if we have another year like last year.
 
Packout,
I'm not sure who said the Dedicated Hunters are ruining the deer heards. If your refering to what I said, I think the DH tags should be considered in the quota. I don't think they dropped tag numbers when they started the program (I may be wrong though). I for one would rather take my chances in a draw with fewer tags and have a more quality hunt, but I know everyone don't share this same opinion.
 
Some say lack of habitat / winter range is the problem...
Some say droubt is the problem...
Some say too many Elk is the problem...
Some say Predators are the problem...
Some say Hunters are the problem...

Dedicated Hunters say they arent the problem, they only shoot at most 2 deer out of 3 years.

Archers say they arent the problem, bow hunting is too hard to have high success rates.

Muzzleloader hunters say they arent the problem, there isnt any big deer left to shoot

Rifle hunters say they arent the problem because they dont even see deer to shoot, let alone kill one


Meanwhile, we now have people shooting and killing deer at 80+ yards with bows, 200+ yards with muzzleloaders and 600+ yards with rifles. We use incredible optics on incredibly accurate weapons, we use laser range finders, we use satallite pictures to map terrain, we use computer ballistics programs to calculate drop and wind drift, we use weather satallites to determine weather, moon charts to determine activity, trail cams to pattern animals when you arent even on the mountain, satallite uplink cameras you can browse from your computer, we use cellphones and 15mile radios to help us hunt...

Habitat and winter range is shrinking, predator populations are soaring, and its more cost effective in terms of money and time to poach rather than wait for a legal tag.


The MAIN problem is that its a whole lot of small problems contributing to the whole.


-DallanC
 
Ya know, all I know is that I hunted the crap outta the same area I have always hunted. I put on 6-13 miles a day, every day. And this is what I saw-tons of does with few fawns and ONE small buck. I have never seen so few bucks, particularly yearling/2-3 year olds with the does.

This area got pounded last year by the rifle hunters because of the snow. This area has been and continues to be pounded by archery hunters from Aug-Dec. The archery hunters blame the rifle hunters and want to extend the archery only area to the entire Front, failing to see that the continual pressure keeps the animals off traditional range, on the defensive and probably contributes to winter mortality.

In the meantime, this hunter ponders whether killing a ton of bucks last year before breeding season had the effect I've seen-very little recruitment. REGARDLESS of predation, habitat, hunting, poaching or the like, without recruitment we will have no sustainable herd.

Oh, and I am a DH. And I buy conservation tags. And I end up hunting out of state more often (ok, that's mostly cuz I can't draw in my own state!).

Pred
 
Another point that was left out. You say that the bucks were wiped out, but I saw more deer this spring then I have in a long time. I commute from Manti to Provo every day for work so yes I see plenty of deer fall, winter, spring early in the morning. This spring when ever there were dear it would be 2-3 Does with 4-6 Fawns. There was a great Fawn production in the area this last spring. If they bucks were all shot, where did the fawns come from??
 
Prism, you are right that it is nice to talk about this and not have the same old "heated" discussion.

Nevada has the small units. Nevada has limited hunters drastically. Nevada has a high success rate. Nevada's deer herd is NOT growing. With all they have instituted they still can't grow their deer herd. Hunters are NOT the problem there. If you lived in Nevada you might get to hunt every 3-6 years with a rifle. Their hunter opportunity is lacking in my opinion.

"You're right about Colorado's success not only having to do with smaller subunits. It also has to do with the fact that they've cut hunter numbers BIG TIME in certain units. The smaller units allow the CDOW the ability to more effectively manage deer AND hunters. Utah's current plan doesn't-atleast not very effectively."

Colorado has decreased hunter numbers on some units. So has Utah. We have better units which are hard to draw and grow big deer, just like Colorado.

---I guess I see the problem as this: Everyone wants to shoot mature deer, so they want to grow more mature deer. To do this you have to stop killing them. This means that hunter opportunity must be decreased drastically, maybe by 1/2+. Then harvest success will hover around 75% and there are 50,000+ hunters who won't be able to hunt.

All the while the deer herd is growing. Fawn to doe ratios are up. Winter counts are up. The deer herd in Utah is growing. So lets cut hunting opportunity, even though the Herd is doing well, to satisfy our desire to kill mature bucks. I just don't agree with this idea.----

There are deer out there. Mature deer. Go find them. Something had to breed those doe last year which now have fawns at their side.
 
>I saw more deer this
>spring then I have in
>a long time. I
>commute from Manti to Provo
>every day for work so
>yes I see plenty of
>deer fall, winter, spring early
>in the morning.

This is the region I in the Archery forum thread, mentioned I had seen more bucks than the past 5 years combined. Maybe I'll post video I shot the night before the archery hunt started. 20ish bucks from spikes up to several 3x3's, 3x4's 4x4's and one huge non-typical were seen right up until the archery hunt. Usually that area only has a few bucks. If half of them survive to grow larger, and we get another crop like we did this year that area will be rocking and rolling.

>This spring when ever there
>were dear it would be
>2-3 Does with 4-6 Fawns.
> There was a great
>Fawn production in the area
>this last spring. If

Agreed. Very high amount of fawns survived... which is curious as there are alot of coyotes in that area.

>they bucks were all shot,
> where did the fawns
>come from??

Most bucks during the rutt are noctural. People expect to see bucks during the day but in truth hunting pressure has made them more nocturnal, kindof like turkeys that dont gobble... a turkey that doesnt gobble back has an evolutionary advantage over one that does, and his chance of being shot / killed are lower.

Still alot of 1.5-2.5 yr old bucks around in that area.


-DallanC
 
There might have been more deer killed last year. What most people forget is that there were quite a few years, before last year, where it was so dry it sounded like you were walking on cornflakes.

I say do away with the dedicated hunter program until the deer are at objective. If the deer are below objective then we shouldn't be letting people hunt them from August to October. I also say the dedicated hunters should have to draw a unit like everyone else.

EVERYONE WANTS TO SHOOT A GIANT BUCK. Not everyone wants to hold out to shoot a giant buck if it means likely going meat hungry for the next year. I say more permits on the limited entry units and the same number of permits statewide. I.E. Same number of hunters spread over a large area.

Every year everyone in Utah says there are no big bucks in Utah, then after the rifle hunt they say all the big bucks were slaughtered. Huh?
 
Third year straight I haven't taken a shot. Saw a few I would have liked to have shot, but couldn't get close enough. Hunts been pretty much the same for the past 23 years as far as deer go. I still like the camping, I like the friends and family. I like that I saw two huge bull elk that almost ran over me. Somthing I never saw as a teenager. I saw hundreds of Turkeys, also something I never saw as a teenager. Saw lots of Antilope, also something we never saw 30 years ago. (I assume the DWR was responsible for bringing these species back for us to enjoy) Shot a cyotee. Found a dead bear someone had poached. Shot some grasshopers with a BB gun with my boy. Caught some nice brookees. Ate some pine hens we shot while on the hunt. Hiked until I was so tired, that I slept good at night on the hard ground. Don't know if next year I'll see lots of deer, only a few, big ones, little ones, or who knows what, but I can hardly wait until then!

Dub
 
O.K. YOU BLIND DIPSTICKS!!!

SORRY FOR THE NAME CALLING,IT'S JUST NOT MY NATURE,I'LL BE NICE NOW!!!

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU NON-DEDICATED HUNTERS CONTRIBUTE OR DONATE TO THE GAME HERDS EACH YEAR???

GO AHEAD,ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTION!!!

THERES ALWAYS SOMETHING OR SOMEBODY TO BLAME,WHY NOT THE DEDICATED HUNTERS,THEY'RE A SMALL BUNCH,LETS BLAME THEM!!!

THIS MUZZLELOADER HUNT HAS GONE FAR ENOUGH!!!

FIRST YOU BEACHED & WHINED CAUSE OF THE LATE MUZZ HUNT,I'LL AGREE,WITH THE NEW INLINES THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ANY BUCKS LEFT!!!

BESIDES,I'D LIKE TO SEE A RELAXED TIME FOR THE RUT,GET RID OF THESE FRICKEN LATE 'COW KILLER' HUNTS PLEASE!!!

WE MOVE TO AN EARLY MUZZ HUNT,ON CERTAIN YEARS THE MUZZ HUNTERS HAD A SLIGHTLY HIGHER SUCCESS RATE THAN THE RIFLE HUNTERS,SO NOW THEY'RE PISSED,JUST WHERE THE HELL WOULD THE MUZZ HUNT MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY???

JUST TELL ME WHERE THE HELL YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE MUZZ HUNT WHERE EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY???

YOU CAN BLAME ALOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS BUT WHEN THE GAME HERDS ARE PRESSURED FROM MID AUGUST THROUGH JANUARY & SOMETIMES FEBRUARY DUE TO THE DWR LETTING COW-KILLERS KILL COWS & CALVES THAT ARE SEVERAL MONTHS ALONG (PUKE,PUKE!!!)THE GAME HERDS CAN NOT TAKE THIS KIND OF PRESSURE!!!

HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION,I DO EXPECT SOME ANSWERS!!!

THEY HAD CHECKING STATIONS SET-UP DURING THE 2004 RIFLE BUCK HUNT,THEY KNEW THE BUCKS GOT SLAUGHTERED,THE LATE DOE HUNTS SHOULD OF BEEN STOPPED IMEDIATELY BUT THEY JUST KEEP SLAUGHTEREING DEER,ADD IT UP,CAN YOU ADD 1 + 1 ???


THE ONLY bobcat WONDERING IF IT WILL TAKE EXTICTION TO WAKE THIS STATE UP???
 

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