I GOT SCREWED!

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huntsonora

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Had a great time visiting friends and hunting in NM but a Colorado outfitter SCREWED me! I did not mention the deer that my friend had found and told me about in NM because I did not want to count my chickens before they hatched. Anyway, it was a giant buck that grosses over 200". I know this because a Colorado outfitter poached this deer just prior to the start of my hunt. I am not going to name names just yet but he is in a world of hurt right now. He had 2 clients shoot the 2 best bucks out of the group, 200"+ gross and a mid 190's deer and thankfully he got caught. I am not going to get into too many specifics but nothing he did was legal. I was hoping to get a crack at the buck and this morning I had an opportunity to take what is now the largest deer in the group as he came onto the property I had access to, he would gross in the mid 180's but decided that these deer have had enough and let him walk. To be honest my heart was not in it, I was dead set on taking the big buck or nothing at all.

I can handle coming home empty handed but this sucks. I have no idea if I would have harvested the big deer but to be cheated of an opportunity to hunt him before the season opens is BS. I hope this son of a B rots in prison. There were other laws he violated that might just get him there.

Drum
 
Why arent you saying who he is??? What a joke it sounds like.. Spew his arse all over for that crap.

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Later, Brandon
 
I'LL BET THERES ALOT OF THIS B.S. GOING ON!!!

THEY(UN-ETHICAL ASSHOLES!!!) WILL DO ANYTHING FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR!!!

SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THIS DRUM!!!

WE MIGHT AS WELL KNOW THIS LOWLIFES NAME???

THE ONLY bobcat THAT WILL KEEP TAKING MY CHANCES ON PUBLIC GROUND,I CAN'T AFFORD A SCREWING ANYWHERE ELSE ANY WAY!!!
 
I want to tell everybody who it is but I want to make sure that he is found guilty. I am 100% positive that he is, the landowner is 100% positive that he is but if he gets off for whatever reason I dont want to be hit with a slander suit. Hell, call me if you want to know who he is and I'll tell you, I just dont want to post it all over the internet until he is found guilty. Once he is found guilty I will put it all over the place and encourage everybody to write CO and NM to make sure that his license is revoked if he does not go to jail. There is a lot more to this story than what I can post and this looks like it could be a HUGE case down there, again I wont go into specifics but I will see if there are articles related to this and post them here.

Drum
 
Doesnt really matter who he is, I dont think he will be in the outfitter business any more, or even hunting for that matter.

That really sucks, a ounce in a lifetime Buck poached by an outfitter. Just goes to show that you cant trust knowbody these days!!!!!!!
 
Drum,

Sorry you had a bad experience. I hope the guy gets drilled. You might have some of the worst luck I know of. You're a lot like me. You can get some big bucks for clients, but struggle when it comes to hunting for yourself.

Keep the faith. Your monster is coming.
 
Smells like Rick Sears. I know most of his hunters get screwed on dried up ranches and the ones that do get into game usually have tresspassed, through devious guides. He keeps working on outfitter licenses in his mother, wifes and now I hear his aunt's name. Don't know where in NM you were hunting but this sounds like a classic Rick job. Sorry drummond, your time will come soon enough.
 
If he's truly guilty, lets hope he Fries!!!

Sorry to hear it Drum...

Ernie
 
Drum,

That is total bullsh*t. The chances of whacking a monster is getting harder and harder; then you got jerkoffs poaching. After this dirtbag gets convicted, file a lawsuit. Take his assets- guns, optics, future earnings making license plates.

Get bobcat to give him a "tune-up" as well!

F all poachers.

Ed
 
I wouldn't be too concerned about a slander suit. Truth is an absolute defense to a slander claim and even if this guy were found innocent in a criminal proceeding, he would have to sue you in civil court for slander and you would be entitled to put on your evidence (with a lower burden of proof than in criminal) and show that he did what you say he did. If you are sure he did it and can prove it, he has no slander claim against you.
 
BigSmoothSamPerkins hit the nail on the head. Rick Sears is a lowlife scumbag as far as I am concerned. He leased a parcel of ground from a landowner for either an archery or muzzleloader hunt (1 tag only!) then forged the documents and made copies so more hunters could get landowner licenses and hunt in NM. They went in and shot these deer and it was disgusting the way that they did it. He did not have permission to hunt in the area he was hunting and a few homeowners in the area called the authorities. They shot the deer in the field that they fed in every day, the bucks were very visible, I had a ranch leased that the deer would cross over to and bed. Like I said, I had the next best deer(mid 180's) in the scope yesterday morning but could not bring myself to pull the trigger. They fed up and crossed onto the place just like my friend said that they would. Hard to settle for less when you know what was stolen just a couple of days prior. The hunters were from out of state but they had just killed the deer when they were caught so I am not sure if it can be a Lacey Act violation. I hope that they can prove intent but am not sure if thats possible. There are a few other details that I will not divulge but this guy Rick Sears is in a world of hurt right now.

I am thinking about filing a civil suit as the deer that was poached ws the one I went down for. I would like to recoup all costs associated with the hunt and donate everything fo the MDF. I would not do this for personal gain but would like to see the money spent go to a good cause. What are your thoughts?

Drum
 
Drum
Sorry I was right. Sears has had these run ins with the state of Colorado:

License suspended twice, revoked in his name.

Re opened under his wifes name. License suspended twice then revoked.

Re opened under his mothers name. License revoked on the first offense.

Currently operating under someone elses name.

List of violations include numerous tresspassing violations, non cpr certified guides, hunting in NM without valid licenses and landowner tags, hunting out of season, etc.

The state knows about him but he is playing every legal loophole imaginable. His clients are as guilty as he is. His reputation is infamous. I have heard two common stories among his clients. One, the ranch they hunted was void of game and two they crossed either property lines or in some cases state lines to hunt. I can't say for certain but I would wager money that every animal he puts on his flyer or website was taken in an illegal manner. It is no secret that the dwindiling number of ranches he has permission to hunt have been shot out by overbooking. I'm sorry this happened Drum. You are commended for passing on that buck for the sake of future deer. Takes a lot of balls and dedication to being an honest and concerned hunter. You have my utmost respect. I hope that nail the SOB with a Lacey act violation and can use past violations against him to get him some time in jail. I dare that prick to read this thread and try to come after me. Thanks for being a stand up guy Drum.
 
What a bunch of CROCK!

I am very sorry to hear about your hunt being ruined by non other that some POS claiming to be an outfitter and his clients!

Your big buck will come some day.

Lets make sure this IDJIT gets what is coming to him! x(


Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"
 
I like your idea of filing charges and giving whatever you can get from this guy to the MDF. He not only screwed you but screwed every honest hunter in the area. There are few enough big mulies to go around as it is without having poachers steal a trophy from everyone else. Guys like that who obviously have a long-standing history of game violations should be made examples of so that some other idiot considering poaching may have second thoughts. Its a shame that the big buck was lost to a poacher so I say take his assets and put them back to work for habitat restoration.

Tim
Searchin' for a 4 X 4
 
Thanks for your input. I hesitate to do so because of the numbers of "frivolous" lawsuits filed every year. I definately dont want to be lumped into a catagory like that. I also dont want to spend a ton of money on an attorney, I was talking with a friend today that suggested I find an attorney that likes to hunt that would donate their time if all of the settlement goes back to the MDF. I am not sure if I even have a case, there are no guarantees in hunting but having the opportunity to hunt for what you paid taken from you before you got there should be a crime in and of itself. Thanks again for all of the input and I hope that this guy never hunts again.

Drummond
 
What a scumbag! That's the type of guy who deserves lots of prison time. It's obvious he's not going to change his way, seeing he has quite a history of the same violations over and over. I hope you do have a case against him. That would be great if some good came of this, and your plan to give the money to the MDF is a great one.
 
All you need to hunt peivate land in NM is written permision. You dont have to fake anything to get a tag. 200 inches I dont think so scooter!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-05 AT 01:00AM (MST)[p]Since you seem to know the details about this case why dont you enlighted us with your infinite wisdom. This should be fun.

Drum
 
Here is some infinite wisdom. If you take this scumpus to civil court and receive judgement against him.....big deal. He probably doesn't have a pot to pizz in and you and the MDF will never see a dime. As usual the attorney will receive some compensation. Yes, I believe it would be a frivilous lawsuit.
 
was it a guide from arkanasa because a guy from here got fined 22 thousand dollars for killing a buck over 200" and it was here in colorado.
 
Heck, Drum, the title of your post sounded pretty good at first, thought maybe you got lucky with the ladies......

Of all people to get gypped out of an opportunity to a nice deer, sorry to hear it was you. Your time will come, no doubt.
 
There seem to be 200 inch deer anywhere you go . Your self worth must be in the toilet.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-05 AT 08:10PM (MST)[p]Had no idea the guy was still around, Rick Sear's that is used to see him in Calif. back in the early 80's sport shows, he definately a criminal..alright!...
 
Here is some more info on this loser who calls himself an outfitter I found a whole list of infractions committed by this guy in four different states MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE THE STATES STILL ALLOWING THIS REPEAT OFFENDER TO OPERATE. SCREW ME ONCE YOUR BAD SCREW ME TWICE NOW I'M THE IDIOT


COMMISSION DISCUSSION: Commissioner Riordan requested further information on the revocation of Mr. Sears. Brooks laid the foundation because the current rule in place that the State Game Commission has is that they will consider any Hearing Officer?s recommendation and the written exception and nothing else without the whole Commission reviewing the actual proceedings. Brooks stated he would be able to talk briefly just about the proceedings provided Mr. Sears and the Hearing Officer?s recommendation. Brooks stated if the Commission wished to hear and weigh the evidence in its entirety the record would have to be transcribed because that is part of the rule. Brooks stated the Department's documentation indicated that Rick Sears was on suspension in Colorado. Brooks asked the Commission to note that suspension vs. revocation because it is distinguished in the Guide and Outfitter Statutes. If you are on suspension in another state you cannot be registered until the suspension is lifted in that state. Revocation is once you have been revoked in another state you cannot participate in outfitter and guiding. Mr. Sears has a suspension in place that runs for a time period. If that would be lifted then he would be allowed to be a registered outfitter in New Mexico. Mr. Sears contested that. He put forth a defense with an attorney, the hearing was held in Santa Fe and the Hearing Officer, upon hearing the evidence, ruled that the Statutes are quite clear, it is mandatory that the language is ?shall continue the suspension until it is lifted?. Mr. Sears also owes Colorado money.
 
Yea, it would be a frivolous lawsuit. Nothing made that "your" deer in the first place.

I agree that it was a crappy thing to have happen, but suing him is laughable. Like someone else said, even if you do win you won't see a dime of his money anyway.
 
Nothing made it "my" deer and I never claimed that it was "my" deer, as I stated previously all I wanted was the opportunity to hunt him. That was the reason the ranch was leased in the first place. I was also not going to sue for personal gain, I just want to clarify that. I know that getting anything out of this guy would be like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip but if there was a chance that it could benefit mule deer and MDF I was willing to try. Thanks for all of the responses.

Drum
 
republicoftexas: Pretty unfriendly talk from someone just joining this group, if that is really true. I guess I would wonder if you are really new or just someone posting under another name who has a gripe with sonora. Maybe someone who got a post censored by him in the past? I certainly like to think guys who are really from Texas have a little more tact and maturity. The ones I know do. Sonora is opinionated like us all, but in my book is a class act, and if you know his history there is no question he knows a 200 buck when he sees one.

I think any hunter who had scouted out a huge buck would have been royally pissed if that had happened to them. This is a good place to vent your frustration, so I give guys some slack for a post like this whether I agree with them or not.

Not surprised to hear who it was. Would I file a civil law suit, no, as stated above, you probably wouldn't see a dime anyway.

Sorry about your experiences!

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-12-05 AT 11:37AM (MST)[p]I am sure he is just "targeted because of jealousy" and an "over zealous fish and game department" out on another "witch hunt". I am sure he is just good people.

Sound familiar Sonora?
 
Drum,
That so called guide should be prosecuted to the full extent. A sportsman like you should not have to put up with a scum bag like that yet they are out there. Let's hope that your next hunt will take some of the sting from this one.
In 1999 I had a guy purposely drive his truck very fast past a bull that I was set up on. We needed just a few more minutes for more light then I would have had the shot of a lifetime. This guy had no intention of doing anything other than spook the elk and he did. Although he didn't do anything illegal he sure was unethical and prevented me from taking the bull of a lifetime.
 
Yes Drum that sucks doesn't it!
I think you should just get over it. After all, it was just a couple of deer. In the grand scheme it will not make any difference. There's plenty more out there. You just need to hunt harder!
Why is this alleged poacher any more evil than the rest of the convicted wildlife criminals? Heck, I say "send them all to prison.? Good luck! I would be surprised if he's convicted of anything more than a misdemeanor. Plea agreements, evidence suppression and all the tricks.
Whats with the personal attacks? I thought that wasn't allowed on this site. The man is innocent until proven guilty, correct?
 
Ive been gone awhile from this site. Then I come back to the same old thing, someone calling BS on someone elses story about a 200" buck. Im sure this person knows what that caliber of buck looks like. We all proved ourselves with pics already repukeoftexas so grow up or go away. Gary
 
: I GOT SCREWED!

Elkcrazy ,
Go ahead and worship your false God . Drum could literally starta mule deer cult. Theres an idea for ya big daddy these blind fools would send you money all the money you could want then you could pirsue that 360 inch mossback and many others and finally break the virginism. I say sacrifice the virgin. Folks he isa wanna be that has been fortunate enough to hook up with Jerry out of Wyoming on the Mexico hunts however not this year hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Meanwhile back here in west Texas we have been having a banner year . While we havent taken a bunch of 200 inch deer we have been having a good year and thats the truth something Drummond has a problem with. Yall are a bunch of sheep and you know what they do to sheep in the Tx hill country where big daddy comees from?
 
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Big talk for a guy named None None and 16 posts. You are just not worth a reply. Keep it up and you will get deleted, and not by Drum. Good hunting.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-16-05 AT 11:30PM (MST)[p]WOW
There is no way I said anything to get post # 38 deleted, which by the way was only about 2 minutes ahead of this one, so noone could have even read it in that time frame, since it never even made it on the screen.
 
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Thats alright though, the truth will still be brought to light. :eek: }>
 
RE: : I GOT SCREWED!

>Thats alright though, the truth will still be brought to light. :eek: }>


YAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS! aNd I kNoW ThAtS rIgHt.
And the truth shall set you free!
 
RE: : I GOT SCREWED!

ttt take it to the top because inquiring minds want to know what the latest is on "the story". There is nothing more to add because Rick Sears was now here near this incident.
 
RE: : I GOT SCREWED!

republicoftexas wrote:

"Yall are a bunch of sheep and you know what they do to sheep in the Tx hill country where big daddy comees from?"

That was too funny! :)

I'm sure you didn't mean it that way.

Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"
 
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I prolly did dude. I aint lion . Im just styling and profiling!
 
RE: : I GOT SCREWED!

LAST EDITED ON Nov-17-05 AT 08:45PM (MST)[p]So where was Rick Sears then, I hope you 2 wasn't double-dating those sheep.
 
RE: : I GOT SCREWED!

I knew someone would figure out repukeoftexas, thanks gator. Gary
 
RE: : I GOT SCREWED!

"I prolly did dude. I aint lion . Im just styling and profiling! "
I'm not sure about styling or profiling but you are murdering the English language...
Can somebody get this guy a third grade grammar book?
 
My buddy got their bs mailer around 15 years ago and booked an elk hunt for BIG bulls..they insisted that the group had to pay cash when they arrived for their final payment..no check..only cash..ha ha..the guide wasn’t familiar with the property they hunted and they didn’t see a single elk..Rick all but told them tough ****..my buddy called fish and game on him..they said they were very familiar with his shenanigans. Mind boggling why he is still able to con people.
 

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