CO Passes Point Banking!?

Prism · Nov 28, 2005

Rumor has it that point banking is a done deal for 2006.

This ought to make all them boys that burned up all their points this past year all full of holiday cheer-NOT!

I think it's a lame idea, but I'm sure I'd feel a whole lot different about the deal if I was sitting on a bunch of points.

I think we can all kiss a lot of good hunt, easy draw areas goodbye for a year or two.

This should be interesting.......

kilowatt · Nov 28, 2005

Not a Rumor, it is a fact. Just got my MDF Nov/Dec issue and they talk about that and also other important info on NR Precentages, Preference Points, Fees for Preference Points, Youth Hunting and New Buck Deer seasons considered for Gunnison Basin.
It is on Page 54-55

Brian

PleaseDear · Nov 28, 2005

The way I'm reading it..... one year gig for '06.
It will sure make any stratagy a tough call for this year and then again for '07, it might inflate the 2-3 pt. units but it will never lower the high pt. units 12-14 pt.
The 80/20 % split in the 5pt to draw units will surely screw alot of guys that have been in the game along time getting points after not drawing......
Oh well, change can be good.

BCHunter · Nov 29, 2005

Count me as one of them that has been in the game awhile and getting screwed. Oh Well

I called the DOW and talked to them about it and they told me I would never draw a good LE tag in my lifetime (I'm 43). I know you Res guys think this a good deal, but for a NR hunting on Public land that I help pay for, it really sucks.

I guess I need to retire and move out West.

COHunter · Nov 29, 2005

Yeppers....the draw will be screwed up until 2008.

But you can still come and enjoy the public land

BCHunter · Nov 29, 2005

I can't enjoy it with a LE tag in my hand which sucks.

McKinney · Nov 29, 2005

I guess I was a year early, I use all 7 points and my bride 6 on a hunt that only took 4. We had a great hunt and time together though and would do it again, if I knew the outcome would've been this good. As my subtitle says Proverbs 3:5-6.

McKinney aka Hiker
Proverbs 3:5-6

Prism · Nov 29, 2005

Any guesses what this will do to the landowner tag situation. I wonder if there will be more or less demand? Seems like a lot of guys that were buying tags were doing it so they could keep gaining points and still hunt. I wonder if many of these guys will cash in a few points now and save their pennies. Or, will this drive up the number of points required to hunt 1-3 point units and create more demand for landowner tags??? HMMMMMM

COHunter · Nov 29, 2005

The Commission is supposed to decide soon, on the requirment that the Landowner must allow the voucher buyer permission to hunt their land (Gee...there's a thought).

Might keep some Landowners from buying so many vouchers if they have to do that. Alot of them dont want the hunters on their land.

LVTHNT · Nov 29, 2005

Okay, someone explain to a NR how this will work? Does this mean that you will only use the number of points that are required to get the tag and then you will bank all remaining preference points that were not needed to get the tag? So in effect you could roll over points for future years that were not required to be used. Do I understand this correct? I don't see any where on the DOW Colorado site that talks about this. Of course right now for example if someone had 10 points and they only needed 6 to draw the tag, they burn all 10 points but on the new system they would keep the extra 4 points for next years draw. Is this what is going on?

_droptine_ · Nov 29, 2005

LVTHNT,
In a nut shell yes, but for 2006 only (for now).

COSA · Nov 29, 2005

I guess I'll be "banking" points in Colorado for the next couple of years. The unit I want to hunt takes two points early and three for the 3rd season. But now that will probabbly jump a point or two.

Prism · Nov 29, 2005

I wonder if a lot of guys will have the same idea and put in for one of those 1-3 point draw areas and drive up the number of points it will take to draw. It could take more points to draw some of these areas now and guys will lose more points than they were planning on.

McKinney · Nov 29, 2005

IMO, I don't think a lot of folks who have 16+ points Elk points will give up any. In most cases they'll be able to hit 10 or 201 or one of the other high demand units in the next 5-6 years, especially if they are residents.
The 80/20 rule will force High point NR's to keep all their points in order to stay in the running, as NR's will be losing 20% more tags in units that currently take 5 or more points.
I think you guys are right about middle point holders (4-8) giving up 2-4 points to hit on a good tag and use their other points down the road.
McKinney aka Hiker
Proverbs 3:5-6

elknut · Nov 29, 2005

I'm sitting on 13 points, will wait a year or two just to see how the points turn out. Don't really see the good in banking, hunting a 6 point area (twice)is not what I spent 13 years to do. I'm going to wait to see how many people jump to bow or ML.

PleaseDear · Nov 29, 2005

In time it will make the 5pt unit 80/20% split in many of those untis actually lower and back down into the 65/35% split. Which will be alot better for us poor ole non-res..

The 5pt unit 80/20% rule is for what it takes a res. to draw not non-res.. The more res. take advantage of this Point banking, in many current 5pt units, will drop that down.

Heck, just do the Point Code and let it smooth out.....get a Landowner voucher and hunt the whole unit anyways.

Elkslayer · Nov 29, 2005

Why doesnt Colorado wake up and let you average your points as a group. Maybe they do now and I just cannot see it.

I would love to us some of my points to not have to hunt along and draw a lesser unit.

Prism · Nov 30, 2005

Well, the latest great news for us nonresidents is that they are making it a 20% nonresident cap on ALL draws!!!! That rumor comes from a VERY reliable source.

muleycrazy23 · Nov 30, 2005

I was sooooo happy to finally see that our state has finally started to catch up to other states and stop catering to the out of staters. I love the new system and I hope it takes effect for good.

Peashooter · Nov 30, 2005

I think your source should check his source.

All changes are finalized for the 06' season, any changes now would not make the deadline for regs. I have been around a ton of meetings and DOW folks, and have never even heard this rumor muttered.

blacktailBC · Nov 30, 2005

Yeah....hopefully things keep heading that way. That way each individual state will eventually not allow out of staters and each state will be like its own little country and nobody will be able to hunt the whole west.....just the state they live in. Sounds like a great idea to me.

BUCKSPY · Dec 1, 2005

Units that took 5 or more points to draw will be under the 80/20 split and those that took less will be 65/35 split. Points banking will take place. The 2006 res have not been carved in stone tablets yet.

The irony of the point percentage and how it applys to units is that many elected to use their points in 2005 and in turn upped the amount of points that it took to draw many deer units in a dramatic fashion. This effectively changed many units that would have been under the 5 point 65/35 percentage and bumped them up to the 80/20 percentage split units. Landowner voucher regs are still on the table but the provision to require access looks like it will happen and that in turn may potentially cause many landowners to balk at the idea of applying for vouchers.

I would be pitching a fit if I was a non-res too, but the percentages are still way better than almost every other state in the West. Yeh its mostly public land, I know but the wildlife belongs to the state in the eyes of the law so take up that pissssing match with someone else.

Phantom Hunter · Dec 1, 2005

When will all the new regs be "set in stone"? It will soon be time to start thinking about when and where we will apply for 2006.

Phantom Hunter

kilowatt · Dec 1, 2005

It will be about 4 months before the regs come out or there abouts.

Brian

BCHunter · Dec 1, 2005

I realize the animals belong to the State. Since the land belongs to all of us then who do I send the grazing rights bill too?

I'm not going to start another pissing contest but all the Stats show the NR pay the lions share of the cost paid by hunters. It is not fair no matter how you look at it. What will happen is many hunters will start moving to Western States when they retire or before and use already shrinking habitat. The animals lose winter grazing areas. However, if that is what the Residents want then they may get it. Then hunters will be crying about developers ruining the landscape. Oh Well

COHunter · Dec 1, 2005

BCHunter
How about a refund!
Article I like to share with folks when they bring up the paying for grazing rights for our Game Animals. Maybe you should go hit up the other States listed below that limit you to 10% of the Tags

Federal Tax Burdens and Expenditures: Colorado is a Donor State
Colorado taxpayers receive less federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid compared to the average state. Per dollar of federal tax collected, Colorado citizens received approximately $0.78 in the way of federal spending. Neighboring states and the amount of federal spending they received per dollar of federal taxes paid were: Arizona ($1.21), Utah ($1.14), Wyoming ($1.06), Nebraska ($1.10), Kansas ($1.13), Oklahoma ($1.52), and New Mexico ($2.37).

BCHunter · Dec 1, 2005

LAST EDITED ON Dec-01-05 AT 03:44PM (MST)[p]Is this Federal funds for State (hunting) Land or just Federal funding in general ie all funds provided to the State?

Any comment on the land issue?

Just to add this. I'm not picking on Colorado. All hunting on Federal lands regardless of State. Also after reading your post again it appears you are talking all Federal funds. I never mentioned Federal funds. I am talking about funds paid by hunters. The arguement could be made that Colorado's Federal Lands are paying for themselves by getting the NR's to pay for them. I'm not trying to start an arguement. The Stats say we are paying the majority of the cost that HUNTERS pay (fact not assumption). It doesn't seem right.

Just my opinion.

tylercreek2 · Dec 1, 2005

I was sooooo happy to finally see that our state has finally started to catch up to other states and stop catering to the out of staters. I love the new system and I hope it takes effect for good. ,,,,

um merry xmas , but just stay home ,,, that seems like a fine neighborly attitude ,,, will the love be applied as thickly if in the future more changes are made that possibly dont benifit you quite as much ? lol

Prism · Dec 1, 2005

May be a good thing if they do cut back the number of nonresident hunters. It just means there will be more big bucks for us when we get there

Just kidding!

COSA · Dec 1, 2005

I have no problems with Colorado reducing the resident quota a bit. What I do think is unfair is throwing the 2-5 preference point draw units into a feeding frenzy with the banking system. The principle of the preference point system is being able to plan a hunt based on previous odds which remain pretty consistent. Now its anyone's guess. Although I'm somewhat against the Landowner thing, now I'm considering it.