RUT ???

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Just wondering if anyone else is noticing that some of the elk herds in SW Montana aren't screaming yet. What about other states? What are you experiencing?
 
I hunted Colorado (near Rifle) last week.The full moon killed the bugeling! 7 hunters in our party O elk........Jim
 
Why people think it changes much is beyond me. The pre-rut is approx sept 8-17. Biologist agree that most cows come into estrus between sept 21-28. That is the real rut. Always some premature bugling in early sept. Sure you can call bulls in early sept. They are gathering. Once the cows come into estrus, the rut starts. Why bowhunters do not get to hunt the rut and yet muzzles do is beyond comprehension.
 
from some of the reports comin in here in Arizona - it's mostly quite - just depends who's tellin the story - One guy reports elk buglin all night - no problem to call in a bull and score- next guy states heard one maybe 2 in 4 days and what elk the are seeing are still in small bachler groups - guess it has some thing to do with the warmer weather this yr. - archers are still flinging arrows - just not getting a chance at some of the bigger herd bulls --- yet!
 
> Why people think it changes
>much is beyond me. The
>pre-rut is approx sept 8-17.
>Biologist agree that most cows
>come into estrus between sept
>21-28. That is the real
>rut. Always some premature bugling
>in early sept. Sure you
>can call bulls in early
>sept. They are gathering. Once
>the cows come into estrus,
>the rut starts. Why bowhunters
>do not get to hunt
>the rut and yet muzzles
>do is beyond comprehension.

bioolgist are retarded! they sit behind a desk and never get out and experience it.
ive heard elk freakin out first week in sept responding to calls it does change every year. give up the biologist theory! its different depending on the location you are in! im sure if elk were in australia it would be in february when they are screamin. you seem to really hail to the biologists man
?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny
 
ya i agree with ox anybody who hunts elk every year in september knows that statement is a standard not a fact. it all depends, you never truly know, every elk is different and so is every area. so to say that elk are rutting on certain dates is ignorant and to tell me it comes from a biologist makes it worse thats just what they read in there text book.
 
i even have a hunting video that they are in utah and its august and the buklls are going nuts. is that in your text book scott?

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny
 
For a specific area the rut happens the SAME time + or - a few days every year. it doesn't vary by 2-3 weeks depending on the weather. Think about it, the majority of calves are born during the same week every year, correct? that means the majority of the rut happens during the same week every year. All you are hearing with the bugling prior to the rut is the different attitudes of individual bulls, cooler weather getting the bulls excited, or moonless nights keeping them out during the day.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
this year we didn't see calves on the ground till honestly 2 weeks later then normal we were worried about the calf crop due to the wolves in the area but they just didn't really throw them down till later this year. and elk don't go carry the calve for exact number of days can be a week early or late, especially if there are predators in the area an elk can actually postpone there delivery depending on pressure and that is in the text book.
 
>For a specific area the rut
>happens the SAME time +
>or - a few days
>every year. it doesn't vary
>by 2-3 weeks depending on
>the weather. Think about it,
>the majority of calves are
>born during the same week
>every year, correct? that means
>the majority of the rut
>happens during the same week
>every year. All you are
>hearing with the bugling prior
>to the rut is the
>different attitudes of individual bulls,
>cooler weather getting the bulls
>excited, or moonless nights keeping
>them out during the day.
>
>
>Mntman
>
>"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
>

THANK YOU, nothing like a redneck challenging science, gotta love it. It does not change scientific data. I have had spikes and 5x5 screamin there heads off the first week. Sorry, that is not the rut. Its just bulls starting to voice there wild oats and pointing to the future "rut". Around Sept 17 you MAY see the beginning of cows coming into estrus and once they get a taste (not just gathering them in early sept) it goes wild. Try hunting on Sept 24 sometime.
 
The last week of Sept to the first week of Oct here in Utah is crazy rut time. I've always wanted to hunt this time of year but it almost seems unfair- the bulls are going crazy! One cow call in certain canyons can get 10 different bulls screaming their lungs out at you to "get over here" and the satellites will come in on a string. Maybe when I'm 60 and draw the LE Archery tag again I might get that chance.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-16-09 AT 12:36PM (MST)[p]>>For a specific area the rut
>>happens the SAME time +
>>or - a few days
>>every year. it doesn't vary
>>by 2-3 weeks depending on
>>the weather. Think about it,
>>the majority of calves are
>>born during the same week
>>every year, correct? that means
>>the majority of the rut
>>happens during the same week
>>every year. All you are
>>hearing with the bugling prior
>>to the rut is the
>>different attitudes of individual bulls,
>>cooler weather getting the bulls
>>excited, or moonless nights keeping
>>them out during the day.
>>
>>
>>Mntman
>>
>>"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
>>
>
> THANK YOU, nothing like a
>redneck challenging science, gotta love
>it. It does not change
>scientific data. I have had
>spikes and 5x5 screamin there
>heads off the first week.
>Sorry, that is not the
>rut. Its just bulls starting
>to voice there wild oats
>and pointing to the future
>"rut". Around Sept 17 you
>MAY see the beginning of
>cows coming into estrus and
>once they get a
>taste (not just gathering them
>in early sept) it goes
>wild. Try hunting on Sept
>24 sometime.

you prob believe in global warming to huh!that would be challending science if you dont!rednecks often times more experienced than scientists. they actually get out and do stuff instead of reading text books. pretty sure the elk dont have calves exact same day every year fellas. it can vary several weeks.
to a month.
second no the rut is diff every year not just a day or two. that is insane to make that prediction. weather feed moon phase and stress have a factor when they will begin.imo
pretty sure the cows dont say hey its sept 17 we have a week to begin our estrus hurry up ladies gotta deliver the same day as the last 6 years!
sure they bugle when they pre rut but you honestly think some years they pre rut 2 weeks longer than other years? so if elk are haremed up a week earlier than last year that means they will wait to have sex til sept 17 no matter what? wow that is insane didnt realize human dates were that important to them

?It takes a genius to whine appealingly.?
Mr.Whiny
 
ya its pretty easy to sit behind a desk and watch animal planet and tell these rednecks who live in elk country and spend every second they have chasin elk the science behind it, but animals are unpredictable and that is just not the case you can say those numbers but i have video of bulls breeding cow the 8th of september. but it probsbly isn't reliable because it didn't come from yellowstone.
 
dryflyelk,
You better put in for muzzy season in utah for LE to hunt the last week of Sept - 1st week of Oct. Them poor archery guys this year hunted pretty early and I bet alot of them were dissappointed. I would hate to have had an archery tag this year.
 
For what it's worth...

Elk bugling and the rut are not the same things. Given, bulls tend to bugle more when the cows are in estrus but they can and do bugle all year. Cows tend to come into estrus around the same time every year, give or take a few days. The time that the cows come into eustrus will vary slightly by the area. Just because the bulls aren't going crazy does not mean the cows are not being bred and just because some bulls are going nuts does not mean the cows are in estrus.
 
Its sad utah is hunting WAY before the rut. I have been hunting elk for 8 years and biologists are in sink with my experience. I will be guiding my friend Sept 19-24. All I can say is it totally different than hunting the early part of sept. Always has. One of the most renown outfitters in NM says the last day of the last hunt, sept 24 always seems to be the best. I have got into the middle of herds with satelites all around chasing with the herd bull fighting them off. It is awesome, but my only experience with that much action is Sept 17 and beyond.
 
I know it still seemed like pre-rut last weekend, but I will tell you when I get out again in a few days. I expect them to really be going by then.
 
just got back from a week out...VERY little rut activity...Bulls are still grouped together...saw several groups of bulls 4-6 together...only bulls with cows were very small bulls...

nothing nearly like last year...even the larch trees are not turning, the first real frost was this morning...

we had a high of just nearly 90 while out...I am not a big weather follower for the rut, but I do follow other fall signs...like trees changing etc.

I am thinking the bulls will start screaming in full this next week...Have hunted them for 20+ years and never seen this late of a rut...

Scientists can say what they want, but it does vary, and most scientists speak of generalities assuming anomolies...which is what we are seeing here...an anomaly...
 
I just got done hunting here in AZ and I have heard a total of 3 legit bugles in 7 days. It has been rough usually by this time they are talking and shutting up around 8am but not this year. A friend of mine was hunting on the east side of the state and said that they were barely talking. So it has been rough here in AZ.
 
Was in the woods near Flagstaff all weekend and all was quiet on the home front. We heard a few in the wee hours of the AM, but not much other than that.

I can tell ya that being there and telling about it is better than setting behind a desk trying to do the same. Bottom line is cows are getting bred at some point bugles or not because there is always calves and yearlings with the cows I see.

Take it for what its worth.
264X300
 
Well, so far it seems that the people who are out there hunting the elk are noticing that things seem to be running a little late this year compared to others.
 
I don't think it has hit yet. Too many bulls without cows. Should be good for you muzzleloader hunters. I am jealous. Is it bad that all I asked for my birthday is a night and a day up in the mountains looking for elk? I think I have a problem.
 
i just had a nm hunt unit 52 and tha rut had past we had some bulls screaming but once tha shots started they shut up
 

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