poached oregon #1 blacktail !!

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Just wanted to post that some A-hole has been poaching deer in southern oregon & that one of the bucks he shot and left behind (to return later) was found by the oregon state police before he was able to retrieve it. turns out this buck (30 1/2" x 28" )would have been the new # 1 cascade blacktail ever taken in oregon. This makes me sick, if you see a poacher or no info turn it over and help us honest hunters out and maybe you secret spot won't suck in the future. This is 1 of 5 confirmed and possibly 12 poached deer left to rot with no head or antlers!! I will post the pictures one day when my redneck ass figures it out.

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Did they catch the guy? I dont think the problem of poaching is ever going to go away, but I think that all of us can help lessen the damage they do by turning them in and doing our part. Let us know if they catch him.
Its a sad story that this guy did this, and its real sad that the buck was so big.
 
i dont know if they caught them, i just got back in town and will try to post updates, its hard for me to find time to play on this website because of work, but i have the day off and will try to post my hunting pics of 2005. good luck to all of you honest hunters this year. happy new year!!
 
I hope they catch the guy that did this, and he goes before a jury of 12 honest hunters.
 
No doubt this buck was poached...but 30.5" x 28" tall??????. I seriously doubt that the buck was 28" tall. What did it score??
 
Where in Southern Oregon was that buck taken from? I swear I've seen it before.
 
Theridge;
How can you doubt it is 28" high. Look again at the photo. From the base of the horn to the top of the man's hand is a good 12 inches. then from that hand position to the top of the horn you can see is another 12" or more. there is horn that goes above where the photo ends. You should not doubt someone's information in a public forum unless you can back it up. It's the same as calling him a liar. would you like someone to treat your statement that way. don't take it personal, just something to think about.

RELH
 
the current #1 typical oregon cascade blacktail is 183 6/8" 24 wide 5x6 with 5 3/8" bases & 22" to 23" main beams. so this is what i heard from a friend who knows a local biologist.
 
Was that buck near Ashland? Medford? Where? I really saw a buck like this and I was wondering where if this was him. I hope not. Where at in Southern Oregon?
 
He will probably get off. A couple of kids (early 20's)poached 20+ mulies on the western slope a couple years ago. They were shooting them, then tying them to trees and coming back later after the coyotes picked them over. Someone found one and the DOW waited for them. They caught one kid and through his high dollar lawyer his parents got, they got off. The kid did not even lose his hunting rights. Just last spring he was caught in a closed area looking for sheds before the April 15th opening. All he got was the antlers taken away and a trepassing ticket from the town.
 
Nice buck. Too bad he had to go that way. Especially if it's a record. These poachers will continue to do what they have always done as long as the consequences are light.

Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"
 
RELF, Looks like your from N. CA. Have you ever seen a 28" tall blacktail? The photo of the warden holding the antlers is an old photo of a year or two ago. The buck may look 28 tall but I'd be willing to bet my 270 that it's not. Honestly, have you even seen a 28" tall mulie let alone a blackie? Thanks
 
A buddy of mine killed a 206 muley this season that is 28" tall. His G-2's are almost twenty. We put a straight edge across the top of his G-2's and taped it from the bottom of the straight edge to the top of the skull.
 
If I would have been the Oregon State Police I would have done a stake out and waited till the culprit returned then busted his ass. That way you get your man for sure.

By running the story this gives the popacher time to cool down because he knows he may get caught if he returns to the scene of the crime.
 
My God that's a big blacktail!!.. What a shame!!
I would have to agree with theridge on the 28" tall thing... I'm not sure how most people measure height, but I'm pretty positive it's not the correct way.. I think that a lot of people start at the base and follow the contour of the back of the antlers up to the top of the G2..That's not the actual height in my opinion.. The height should be measured from the top of the skull straight up to the highest point(which is usually the G2 or G3)..I've seen some pretty tall bucks and I would have to say that not too many of them, if any, were 28 inches tall.. I know that they do exsist, but not as many as people say they shot or have seen.
Maybe pronghornhunter can post a pic. of his friends muley just to show how unusually tall a buck like that really looks..
 
You sum it up in your first sentence. Its a shame and no matter what, thats one nice blacktail!
 
guys like i said before this is the info that has been passed on to me, maybe he is not 28" high but who cares the fact of the matter is this would have been a great deer to harvest legally never the less he would have passed on great genes. and no this picture is not from nor cal or years old. i agree that punishment must be much greater than what poachers recieve now. i just measured an old rack in the garage 30x26 so yes i have seen tall deer before and to tell ya the truth some where probabally over 28" tall and i have hunted blacktails and mule deer for 25 years and have seen blacktails that big before and they got away and this is why they get huge.
 
Boys,

I will clear this up for you in the next few days. I will make some phone calls down south. I know the guy holding the horns. So you will all have your answer. Why don't you all start guessing and I will give you the correct answer. I don't have any good stuff to give away like Prism, but I will give you the measurements.

Rich
 
It would be interesting to know what happened!! Mighty fine looking blacktail rack!!
 
Theridge;
You know I am from N.CA. because you looked up my profile. I stand by what I have said. Just because you have not seen a blacktail or mulie with 28" high horns, does not mean they do not exist. As for seeing a mulie with 28" high horns, I have, he hangs on a wall in my area and his spread is just over 36".
like I said take another look at the picture. that officer holding the antlers has large hands like I do. His hands should span 5" from edge to edge. Use that as your measuring stick to figure the height, and next time do not insinuate that a person who posted is lying unless you can back it up with proof. You may not know it, but alot of persons on this forum will judge you by your statements, do you want to be know as a fellow hunter with good judgement, or a blowhard that throws out accusations without thinking first.

RELH
 
I'am not calling anyone a liar! Sure, we all probably have seen mulies that are 28 tall but, a blacktail? Maybe this cascade buck is a cross between a blackie and mulie?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-06 AT 10:38AM (MST)[p]There are very few bucks in history that have ever been recorded at 28" tall. The longest G-2's on record are only in the 24" range, and most bucks don't have much height "2-4" before the g-2. Most trophy class bucks with strong G-2's will rarely exceed 20". People tend to casually throw out numbers without actually knowing what they mean. Even a buck that appears to be extremely tall will only be pushing the 24" mark. 26" tall on a muley is in the .1%, believe me.
 
28" tall.....that's why it would be record! If everyone had seen a buck that tall before, then I doubt we would be looking at a possible new state record. Why don't we all take it for what it is.....an Awesome Buck.

Another one of those guys that can tell exactly how big a rack is by looking at a picture on a computer screen. Damn, I wish I was that good!
 
If you use any kind of scaling rule on the picture of this buck on the supposed width of 30" I get a straight line height of 20 1/2" One hell of a blacktail cross whatever its measurements are.
 
I am going to guess that when the truth comes out that buck is about 20" tall and about 26" wide. Please pull out a tape measure to 28" tall and put your hand next to it and see if you still think that buck could possibly measure up. It is a great buck just not that great!
Keeping it real, Mike
 
RELH, with all due respect, measure your finger tips like the man in the photo. If you still come up with 5", you have finger tips 1.25" across!
Mike
 
Here is a pic of my typical buck I shot this year and he is 23" tall. Muley though.
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some of you guys are killin me!! ya just dont get it, so lets try to straighten this out. i have seen many deer over 24" high both in the field,camps,garage. i have also seen some deer in the field that i believe would go 28" high but not many in 25 years. but i have seen hundreds over the years in magazines. there are deer in the oregon record book with 30" main beams. so with that said i dont think this buck is 28" high but close and again this is what i heard through someone else and felt the need to pass it on to the public. so who the hell cares if the buck in not 28" high the point is that there are too many morons out there poaching animals. o and when i find out the exact measurements i will post it if lostinoregon does not do it first.OUT
 
MrB;

My hand layed flat is 4" from edge to edge not counting the thumb, with thumb it is 4 5/8 across. I wear size 14 ring. the guy in that photo has hands as large as mine, and you will notice there is a gap between his trigger finger and index finger. It should be close. some of us have hands that are made to grab guys by the throat and choke the living daylights out of them with the use of one hand. while we are discussing it, Boone & Crockett does not give a iron clad rule on how to measure the height of a blacktail or muley deer. they use a straight edge to measure the width from outer edge to outer edge of the widest span. but on measuring the points, such as G-2, they run a tape along the horn. Some of those measurements start at the base of the horn. Which is right, I don't know for sure.
My point on my first post to this was that a person should not insinuate that someone is not being truthful by stating, he had doubts about the horn size, and not backing it up with some evidence that the person is not being truthful. If someone whould do that to me, he better not be standing in front of me,there will be a discussion out behind the barn.
I have found alot of good hunters on this forum, and they have great experience & information that they are willing to pass on to others, but that could change if they get challeged everytime they post.
I have also found that there is few "know it all bu$$hiters" that have a habit of running their mouth after they have dropped their brain in the outhouse hole. Those guys really tick me off at times and they need to go elsewhere. Do not worry, I have not put you with the B S crowd, your question was legitimate and that is the reason you deserve an answer.

RELH
 
IMO, RELF you seem to be argumentive. Hey, I never called jvgunner a liar! When we receive info that is second and third hand and the evidence looks fishy to me, I will make my inconsequential statement. As far as evidence....lets just say that I have seen and shot (rifle and camera) and held more monster blacktail than most. I spend at least 200 days a year in the field with blacktails. This is not patting myself on the back but telling it like it is.

RELF,how many points and what is the score of you 36" x 28" mule deer? I'd enjoy seeing a posted picture of the monster.
 
RELH, you obviously took offense to my posts, for that, I am sorry. There has not been anything that offended me on this post, until your reference to ?choking the living daylights? out of people. Hopefully we don't let this discussion board resort to physical threat innuendoes and can continue to openly share views for what they are worth.
Thanks, Mike
 
MrB;

You are wrong, I did not think your post was in anyway offensive. As to the "choking the daylights out of someone with one hand" was only meant as a descriptive means to state that some people in this world have very large hands over the average person. I assure you I do not make threats over the internet, If I feel that I need to threaten someone, I will do it to his face and allow him the pleasure of doing something about it.
For the person that wants to see a picture of the 36"X28" mulie, I do not have any photo, but if you are serious enought about seeing it, just get in your car and drive to Marysville, Ca. On your arrival I will tell you where it is located and you can see it for yourself.

RELH
 
Somebody please get us the exact mearsurements before this thread gets out of hand!!!!.....more than it already is.
 
My buck pic was not posted to discredit the 28" of the buck. It was posted to show there are tall bucks out there.I have seen several old timers with tall bucks hanging on sheds that where easily over 28". that is a great buck in the picture. Sorry to hear it was shot to be left.

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Here it is, I talked with the Trooper holding that deer today. He scored it himself. It scores 152 1/8 with 5" of deductions. His inside spread measurment is 20" and outside was 24". He is 24" tall. That is not the record, where the confusion may come in is that there were more than one deer shot and they could of been bigger. I didn't ask that. So there is your answer.


Rich
 
It's not that I don't believe you, but it's hard to imagine that if that deer is really 24" wide and 24" high and as heavy as it seems to look that it only scores 152 1/8.
 
I'm sorry but it seems damn near impossible to believe that the buck in that picture only scores 152 1/8. If its 24" wide and 24" high and with the mass that it has there is no way that it scores that low. I think the guy you talked to is talking about a different buck or something. The math doesn't seem right.
 
I don't have a dog in this scrap, and I'm not an expert, but it looks to me like people are estimating their measurements from different places and talking around one another.

If I'm not mistaken, the height is one thing that people measure subjectively. On the other hand, the length of the G-2, according to B/C is very specific. Maybe the guy who posted and said it was 28" g-2 made and honest mistake.

If you're talking B/C then the G-2 is measured off the main beam, not off the scull or the base of the horn. Therefore, if you're using B/C, there's no way that that buck has 28" G-2's, just cant happen, not a chance. Whoever put a tape on it and said it had a 28" g-2 likely measured from the base of the antler, or the top of the skull, and not off the main beam.

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I think it's a great buck no matter what B/C scores might be. In the end, there's no way it has 28" G-2's, G-2's are not measured from the base of the antler or the top of the scull.

Moreover, I was not aware that B/C had specs for ?height? measurements. Can someone point out to me where I can find the calibration for such a standard? Or do people just measure height perpendicular from the top of the skull for talking purposes?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Idahonative, any thoughts?


"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Here are the numbers. 157 1/8 gross, 152 1/8 net, inside spread 20", outside spread 24". 25" tall. Some of the problem maybe that this is only one of several bucks that have been reportable poached.
 
Bandit,

If you look the photo was taken from below to make it look bigger. Don't you think that if I have access to the measurements and talked to the trooper holding the horns that I might, just might work for the same agency. You can say what you want but those are the numbers given to me by the guy holding the horns. Pictures are deceiving, It is not a new record by a long stretch. Outside spread doesn't count or does height. So the 20" counts and that is it.
 
TFinalShot,
If you measured height the same way B&C measures width, you would start from the center of the skull plate, with the skull completely perpendicular and square to a straight edge (i.e. wall). you would then use a carpenter's ruler to measure exactly straight from the skull plate to a point in line with the highest point (that would be touching the wall).

When doing width, you basically imagine closing in two parallel walls on it until those walls hit the widest points assuming the wall skull plate is parallel to the walls. Same with height except the skull plate would be perpendicular instead of parallel.

Great blacktail by the way.
 
I stopped by the oregon state police today the buck scored 152 not a new # 1 cascade blacktail. who cares? these guys are raping our land. The trooper would not let me see the antlers still in evidence lockdown.
 

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