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This buck was pretty well known buck on the wasatch front. I have seen him after the hunt ended the last few years but never while the season was on. This year he came off the mountain one day to soon and payed the price. My brother took two shots at this buck that morning. The first was a moving shot. He said that he didn't lead him enough and missed behind him. Later he got an other try at a 60yd walking shot. He led him this time and heard the arrow make contact. The deer stopped walking right as he shot so he figured that he hit him to far forward, but wasn't sure. I think he was still in shock from the last miss and didn't see the arrow flight. We found a little blood and after a while started to track the buck. Not to far along the way we got a call from a friend that was hunting in the same area saying he shot the buck and was holding him in his hands. We got down the mountain to him a while later and found that my brother had hit him in the bottom of the jaw. That made the second 200" buck this year that someone in my family should have had. My dad hit a toad on the pauns with his muzzleloader the last night of the hunt. It dropped like a ton of sh#t. He and a freind started jumping around in awe that that type of a buck like that, (30" wide with trash), would give them an opportunity durring the last few hours of the hunt. After what would have been plenty of time to reload, the buck gathered his scences, jumped up and ran off. We saw the buck back in the same area a day later with a hole in his neck acting like nothing happened. That was a big lesson learned. But i guess those are the joys of hunting.
Back to the original story, I taped Coreys buck out at 205" or so. A friend of ours had this bucks sheds from 2001, and found one side before we could last year. He said the 2001 set was around 190". Its pretty crazy to see how this buck slowly changed over the years. Also this buck had no teeth left and had a hole in his cheek from broken bones. He would not have made it another year in my opinion. Congrats Corey, and brother shoot straighter next year damn it.
 
great buck. it looks by the first photo that the buck was a little light in the body. You cant ask for a better situation that to take a buck just before he expires in the wild. Great job.

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
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That is a great buck, Im glad someone was able to harvest it. But I will go ahead and say what everyone is thinking. THe only thing your brother "should have gotten" was some common sense about archery hunting and running/moving shots at 60 yards. And dont tell me that "he practices those shots" because he obviously missed badly. I realize that people make bad shots sometimes, but when you take a bad shot on purpose, it will end up bad 95% of the time. Those kind of shots make bowhunters look real bad. I am not trying to put any of you down, just tell it like I see it. Peace out.....
 
I'm gonna agree with 257tony, nice bucks but whats with the shots? 60 yards is generally considered to be the out side limit on unaware, still animals, to purposly take a shot at a movind animal raises some serious questions on ethics.

Kirby

When in doubt, floor it.

Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you find a big stick.
 
I agree with the ethics of waiting for a still broadside shot. But its a tough call when you got a moving shot at a 30" buck before he goes in the thick brush and you know he will more than likely be gone. Personally I can count three 180" + bucks that I waited for a ethical shot on and never got a shot. Every time after the fact I say to myself that I probably should have took a shot which would have gave me a chance. Its a tough call.
 
Its not a tough call at all. You should only take a good, ethical shot no matter how big the animal is. I'd rather not take an iffy shot at any animal than take a bad shot at a big one and wound it. I'm glad someone was in the area that was able to finally kill the buck.
 
I agree, its NOT a tough call at all. if there's any doubt, gun or bow, dont chance the shot, the animals deserve the best from hunters. I've sat on huge bucks waiting for the right shot only to have them walk away, get spooked, or in one case get shot by another hunter.

You must wait for a good shot, I dont consider running shots good, no matter what your shooting or shooting at, big or little.

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
I don't understand what the tough call is. If its a bad shot you pass. Thats hunting.

Kirby

When in doubt, floor it.

Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you find a big stick.
 
Congrats to your buddy Corey for taking a GREAT buck!!!!

Smoktem,
When posting pics of a great buck like that on the internet, make sure you keep the story bare bones or else you are inviting the ethics police to hammer ya. I'm sure your brother feels bad enough watching someone else tag a monster buck he should have had had he of shot straight, so I'm not going to slam him again. I think from the other posts you probably get the picture eh?
 
What???"60yd walking shot" at best you wound the buck and get a second shot at him at worst you wound the buck and dont get a shot a him. I could see this wouldnt be that bad of a shot with a rifle but a bow.
I dont even like that it was posted, young people on MM dont need to see this and think "Well he did it so why not,I'll try it too".
Dont get me wrong I love the pic's and congrats, but just be carefull about the content of the story.


sorry about the rant
Kyle
 
Ya know what guys. He comes on to tell a story and share his success and all you guys do is give him hell. The buck didn't run over the mountain and die never to be seen again. We can all say could have, would have and should have but no one was there but them. I don't think he came here for a lesson in ethics. I don't take 60 yrd shots even at a standing deer but not for me to say if he should. Go ahead Blast me!!

Bigole5
 
OK, come on guys, were any of you there???? No?, I didn't think so. If you were then tell your side of the story. The man said what he wanted to. Whether it was ethical or not who are we to judge when we did not witness it. I can tell you I have been with people who have done unethical things and things I DO NOT AGREE with, and I will do what is in my power(as in the right thing to do) BUT I can not make decisions for the next man. So please everyone is entitled to their own opinion but lets not try to belittle people who come here to share their stories, there is NOT a person who has not broken a law or 2. I have been to this web site for a long time. Some things more then others make me post. But in the long run we are all here to have fun, post and learn. So please try to refrain the best you can... We don't want to scare people away........

Curtis
 
The main reason I posted these pics, which I didn't make to clear, is so you guys could see the progression in this bucks horn growth. The mounted buck is his sheds from 2001. The other shed was last years.
 
LOL!! smoktem....awesome buck! You finally post on here, and pictures of a big Muley, and they hammer ya....laugh it off. Take BC's advice, leave as much detail out as possible. Congrats to ya.
 
Great buck, bad shot selection.
On the other hand, I mighta emptied my quiver at him too if he come by me.
Cool having the sheds off him also.
 
Thats a nice bunch of horn. Congrats on a great year and hope 06 treats you the same. 1 shot.
 
WHAT A BUCK WOW!

Hey what is the story on the mounted buck, that is NO slouch either,
 
When I seen the pitcure of your buck, my heart stopped. I hunted that deer "or his twin brother" three days before the season ended. I took a good shot at him and hit him a little high. I felt that this was a very fatal shot. I sat down to wait him out and it started to snow. So I decided to follow him. As I picked up his blood trail I spotted him across the mountain and to my surprise someone was chasing him. I watched for over 3 hours as they ran the buck towards the city. I don't know if the hunters knew the deer was injured or not, but they lost him and left soon after. I picked his blood trail up again and watched him lay down for over an hour. He stood up and laid down several times. I felt he was going to die. He stood up one last time acting nervous and walked off the hill. Very Very Hurt. I ran across the mountain and found that he walked across Wasatch Blvd. I found blood going down a private driveway and I was sick. I didn't dare go into the private driveway so I cirled the block for hours and when it got dark I gave up. Monday I called the fish and game and reported the buck, but I have never heard about him since. I have been up several times and the fish and game looked for him also but it snowed 3 inches Sunday night. I am glad to see that the buck didn't die and rot, But did he have a Grim Reaper hole in him? I need to know PLEASE
 
Not to belabor the subject, but is a 30 yard shot at a buck that is standing still, but hit in a non-vital area unethical? Is a 60 yard shot at a buck that is moving, but hit in the vitals ethical? Do we judge ethics based upon where the deer is hit? Do we consider someone ethical that hunts a living animal for the primary reason of getting a "trophy", and hunting for meat as the secondary reason? Just thought I would run these questions by the ethics committee to get their input.

My own opinion, you decide what is and is not ethical and live by those means. You are the one that has to answer for your own actions.

Nice Buck regardless! It's great to see how he changes from year to year.
 
speaking of vital shots, how was this bruiser brought down anyways? lets hear how the owner of this fine buck took him down?
 
I can't stay away. We get someone new to post an awesome buck and all you pricks start going off about ethics. Hell I would have shot a 100 yards with a bow at that brute.

257 TONY you are a freaking joke!!!!!!!!!! Hunt with a bow instead of your rifle and shut the hell up. You make me sick.

Great buck and thanks for posting!!!! BCBOY said it best!!!

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LittleDog there were no other holes in this buck. I don't know if thats good news for you or bad. As to the question of how it was shot; It was a moving shot. the deer pased in front of Corey and he took a 10-15Yrd shot, hit the deer square in the ass. Hit the main vain, and it tipped over 40 yds from there. Kidda fits the debate perfect doesn't it? For the record this deer was on a direct path to whereever he was goin. Never stopped moving from when my bro shot till he got shot 1.5 miles down the mountain. Do you pass up a ten yard moving shot at a 206" buck, because it isn't perfectly broadside stoped? Don't want to fire anybody up, its just something to ponder.
 
I feel the same way about all the ethics police on here. You guys can do your ethical 30 yard broadside peacefully grazing shots and come home with nothing, and the other guys will bring home the monster buck.

I have seen some people that can shoot better at 80 yards with a bow than some of the guys I have guided could shoot with their rifles at the same range.
Each of us have our own limits and no one else needs to tell each other how far we can or can't shoot.
If we only shot at grazing still broadside animals there would be one hell of a lot of animals still out there running around the hills!
 
Whats the story with the other mounted deer? is that this deers sheds? mounted on a head?
 
You Raddon boys have taken a bunch of good bucks over the years.
Howabout posting some pics of your prior successes???
We'd love to see 'em.
HH
 
It always amazes me that some people have NEVER made a mistake. When they DO make a mistake they will never admit it. The ethics police on MM have never made a mistake nor will anyone of them ever make a mistake. I only wish that I could be as perfect as they think they are. I'll bet that each one of them carry only one bullet or arrow since each of them would never need more to get their game.
 
Hey,

Maybe we could start a group that would police the people who police the ethics police!!

Heck of a buck smoktem,, You had a tag, you shot a buck, he's dead and tagged, enough said.. Makes me want to quit school and just bowhunt and shed hunt.(oh, wait, shed hunters are evil too!!) LOL
 
I'm not the ethics police, but...

Screw the sixty yard shot, how'd he hit him in the a** at "10-15 yards". Now that is scary....
 
>Hmmmmm.......where is hoppy and COLO3D on
>this one......lol


I'm right here. I do apologize,I have been unavailable for a few days due to my wife giving birth to our first son, 4 and a half weeks early. Did I ever say that every bowhunter was ethical? No, and thank you for putting those words in my mouth. For future reference, I am quite capable of speaking for myself, I do not need an illiterate Texan to do my speaking for me.

I think the story of why a man in Arizona who owned an archery shop got started in bowhunting is relevant here. He was in the woods in a rifle deer season, in FULL BLAZE ORANGE, when nature called. He dropped trou in the middle of some oak brush and was taking care of some business, when somebody noticed the movement and unloaded into the brush. Only the grace of God saved him. I would love to hear how you spin that "Ethical Rifle Hunter". I have rifle hunted in the past and may again in the future. I have nothing against rifle hunters, some of my best friends are rifle hunters, I just think it is safer for me in the archery season.

These "Poke and Hope" archery hunters need to be stopped!!!!! For years I have been championing a lost cause, proficiency testing for bowhunters. This could eliminate many of the injured animals that people talk about. I shoot my bow year around and compete in as many tournaments as possible. Shooting in tournaments keeps my skills sharp as well as teaching a person how to shoot when the pressure is on.

No matter what your method of take, you need to keep in mind before you release the string or pull the trigger, there is a life on the other end. If you are going to take it you better do it as quickly and humanely as possible! If the animals were hunting us we would like to have it over with ASAP.

By the way, nice buck. I do wish there was a better story to go along with it though.
 
Cool..........good job. Chuck Norris would be proud.

btw I am not from texas (I'd make a cool little smiley face right here if I knew how)
 
This post is amazing, you guys can sit in here and talk about ethical hunting and how the young people on MM should not look at this post because they might be influenced. Are you guys crazy? If you guys only knew how hard this whole family hunts and the time and effort that they spend in the field and practicing it would probably make most of you sick. Most of our young hunters could learn alot from these guys. I don't know anyone in the state that have had half of the sucess that these guys have year in and year out! It is easy to sit here and say that you should have done this and you should have done that when it does not happen to you. This deer is an amazing deer and why do you guys seem to try and take it away from him? After all this site is about monster mulies isn't it?
 
"This deer is an amazing deer and why do you guys seem to try and take it away from him?"

smoktem didn't shoot the deer. Read all the posts first. The point some people are trying to make is that a 60 yard moving target is too far for a bow shot and to not include something like that in the next post. Better yet, don't shoot 60 yard shots. Nobody is slamming the buck. Yeah, it's a dandy!

http://fwp.mt.gov/education/huntereducation/oneshot/default.html
 
Zigga,

Why do you even post? We all would shoot in any circumstance at a 200 inch buck.

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