world record question?

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I have a question for you guys. This is something I fantasize about while I am sitting at work behind my computer and get caught up in one of my frequent hunting day dreams. Do you guys think that in any given season throughout mule deer country there is at least one world record buck roaming the hills? I know since the typical world record has not been broken in over 30 years that the answer should be no, but still if there is just one it would be like finding a needle in a haystack. Mostly it is just fun to dream about, but I thought I would see what you guys think.
 
I highly doubt it. The current typical wr is about 9" bigger than the #2 buck, which is huge considering after that you start going down in fractions of inches. The non-typical wr is 16" bigger than the #2, #3 is 25" smaller, #4 is 30" smaller, and then you start going down by 1-2" each buck until you hit about 306-307" bucks where they start going down really slowly. My point is that Mule Deer seem to hit a wall at around 310" NT and 215" Typical. There hasnt been a 300" Muley killed since 1987! With the overall decline fo Mule Deer numbers throughout the west, I would expect Canada to have the only chance of breaking into the top 5 in either category. So dont stop dreaming, but dont hold your breath.






 
Thats a tough question. I would say that not every year but I would bet that there have been a few years where a potential WR was walking around. Its far more likely for it to be a big typical. I know of 8 or 10 typicals from Mexico that have never been publicized that gross over 220". I even have a few pics somewhere. I also have a friend that has a shed from a deer that grosses 108". Double that and its 216" gross with no spread credit. That shed was from a couple years ago here in the states.

drum
 
I agree with Drum. IF a WR typical is shot (I believe it will happen in the next couple of years ) it will come from either Mexico or Colorado. The NT WR will probably never be broken in my lifetime. If it does it will come from Canada or possibly Colorado.
 
I would agree with all this. I think the best possibility now would be either Mexico or Canada for a record typical.
When you consider the scoring and the NET has to exceed 226, it becomes a very tall order.
 
Another tid bit for ya. In the past 20 years, there has only been 5 typical bucks over 210 net entered for B&C.






 
My bet is Sonora, Colorado, Saskatchewan, and British Columbia.

I did not add BC, just because I live here either. BC has had quite a decline of hunters in the past years and the trend isn't changing.

To top it off the areas around the province are so grown in and inaccessible that deer can live out there lives without being encountered or shot at. I'd look to the north in British Columbia for a real bigun coming soon. With hunters only allowed 1 mule deer buck every 2 years up there, and a growing population of deer that somethings bound to show up to rock the record books.
 
I think that next WR will come from a place that gets overlooked and has a ton of private land 5-10 thousand acre parcels with a liberal non hunter owner who does not allow acess to any part of it weather it be colorado or new mexico, BC or any other state. It will no doubt be a freak dear in the prime of his life if it does happen. There may only be a one year window for the freak buck so the odds are real low that a buck will be spotted and harvested in his prime year and in a legal season say (9-20 days)after that prime year hes just another 200inch buck.
 
With the amount of selective hunters today, coupled with the declining mule deer populations, I personally feel there will never be a 226" NET typical buck killed again. I know we all dream of such, but too many factors are against it this day and age. JMO

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
I would disagree. Though I wont predict where the next world record will come from, I think it will happen, and I think there are deer out there that are bigger. Just think of how many animals (overall) live out their entire lives and are never seen, or very seldom so.

The reason I think it will happen is because in 2000 my friend shot the world record pronghorn. In 2002 the record was tied. Both antelope were shot in AZ. The same year (2000), or it may have been 2001, another antelope was shot that was bigger then the current world record (before my friends was official). Neither was from the same area/gene pool. The year after my friend killed his antelope, we saw at least two that looked as though they would beat his. So, within a three season time period, in three different locations in AZ, the world record antelope from the 1980's was beat. Plus, another year or two after these antlelope were killed, GF tagged an antelope within the same area, they measured that was bigger than the world records.

I certainly think and believe there is always something bigger running around than what is the current record for all species. Remember, before these records were killed, the genes were at some point passed on to others. Just my opinion.
 
We're talking mule deer, right? :) I agree....antelope, elk, moose, etc., have a better chance of WR contention. However, if you've tracked the record books for mule deer over the years, NONE have even come close to 226" net. I think mule deer are more sought out than ever before. With a decline in numbers and more hunters seeking their "hide-outs", I think 226" net is safe forever. JMO though.

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
The reason I made reference to pronghorn is because they are in just as bad a decline, or worse, then mule deer.
 
On the flipside, I wonder what year will somebody NOT kill a new WR whitetail??? That right there is the real dilemna!?






 
If I had to guess where the next big world record muley was going to come from, be it typical or non-typical, despite being from BC .... I would still say British Columbia would rank high.

BC just does not have the hunting pressure like they do in the States and many bucks grow old and die of old age without ever have seen a hunter. BC is big, the habitat they utilize is absolutly huge from alpine in the mountains to sage brush country and everything in between. There are areas that never see a hunter year after year and the bucks grow big and old.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-06-06 AT 08:24PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-06-06 AT 08:16?PM (MST)

I agree about BC maby one of those bad boys will wonder down into washington like they often do:)

One more thing belive it or not some guys don't measure there deer and have no desire for the public attention that would come from a record deer. (child support, felony warant,sex offender and many others, The man who was planning to kidnap David lettermans kid had the new wyoming state record muley rack in his house that he poached from lettermans ranch when he was aressted.) I would have to think long and hard before I stepped up to the plate and I have none of those problems.
 
Your forgetting that along with public attention comes some serious $$$. Can you imagine what a new WR muley would be worth just in appearance fees????? More than I will ever see in my life.







 
I firmly believe World Record's live and die in this province on a regular basis. The vastness of our wilderness is mindblowing. If you look at the 'what if' bucks that have been killed here even as recently as last fall, it is testiment to the potential that we have. Winter mortality has been our most limiting factor and it seems that we ain't getting the winters anymore. We are really bucking the trend as Mule Deer are flourishing in BC right now. Maybe it's global warming, maybe it's a cycle, but it's looking very similiar to the 20's when the Chip Lake Beast grew up.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-06-06 AT 08:59PM (MST)[p]There is $$$$$$$$ and people tryiing to make money off of you and wanting to know where you killed it and if they can be your friend and would you like to rent them the rack and all that other crap. No way for me I would enter it without my info and just some pics. After it was scored it could retire to my house.
I would bet that there are some bigger bucks in peoples houses that were poached and thats why people don't submit them to boon and crockett.
 
Thanks for all the responses guys, I found it very interesting to read all the reasons why or why not there may be a world record out there. Although I must say I like the responses of those who think there may be a WR a little better, its just exciting to think that he could be out there somewhere.
I am guessing all of us would like to believe he is out there, weather he is or not.
I am moving to B.C., who is with me? :D
 
You mean like this one? :) :) What if this buck's strong g2 was matched?
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LAST EDITED ON May-07-06 AT 11:10AM (MST)[p]What if his G2 matched? HMMMMM??? Id still shoot him, lol!







 
You know, Sampson was only 4 1/2 yrs old and grossed 296". What would he have been at 7 1/2 yrs old? He had the potential. I would say that potential WR bucks are killed every year, the problem they are killed before they reach their full potential. 1 1/2 yr old bucks hit the ground all the time, we will never know what they could have been.

Drum
 
LAST EDITED ON May-07-06 AT 02:15PM (MST)[p]I don't think the real world record has been published?? Do you realize how many bucks there are out there hanging on walls or in barns that never get reported? I think it's highly probable that there are world record bucks out there. The country I hunt in is hardley touched during the season. The country is so vast still there is no way to hunt all the secluded spots. Idaho, Colorado, Nevada, Mexico, New Mexico, Utah, etc.... We hunters only touch a fraction of the country out there during a season. There is no doubt that a record Mule Deer is the toughest animal to kill other wise you would be seeing it happen every year...(like whitetails)Hee!Hee!.
 
I know of an old ranching family that used to own most of the quality mule deer habitat in area of washington has some racks that were taken out of season that would challenge the WA state record they don't see it as a big deal they just chalk it up to we have been here for two hundred years and any idiot knows that the time to hunt trophy muleys is november/december not early in october. The game warden and the cops dont give them any trouble they just give them kill permits for crop damage:)
 
i truly believe somewhere out there is a monster non-typical world record buck. :) if there was a new world record buck taken somewhere i would think it would be from either BC or Colorado. i just like to dream of those monsters!!
 
I've been fortunate to hold both the World Record Typical and the World Record Non Typical in my own hands.
I believe the Typical will be broken some day.
The Broder Buck may be the king for eternity.
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All very interesting comments! I think a new WR typical could come along at any time. Consider this, there are several bucks recently taken that had well over 226 inches of antler, but grew it in "non-typical" ways, What if all that growth was channeled into a typical set of antlers?
 
I think thats where the rub is. It seems when buck get that mature and that big, it seems being "non-typical"
is more "typical" know what I mean.






 
There have been quite a few bucks killed that gross very high but have symetry problems. I think there may be more than one out there but it is going to take some luck to get the net that high without the deductions. It is going to need to be very clean!
 
IF YOUR GOING TO BE A BEAR BE A GRIZZLY BEAR!
Over the past forty years of hunting and guiding hunters for trophy mule deer I have seen four monster bucks in the typical class that would exceed the world record.All these bucks were in Idaho back in the 70's and early 80's. I measured a buck two years ago that had a typical frame of 221. It was a non-typical that scored 241 gross. I think if we keep having these mild winters here in northern Idaho you might be surprised.Not a lot of mule deer but have seen some giants.
 
Im sure there is a World Record buck out there somewhere.....in fact I think Cass saw it and took some pictures of a few years ago. Now only if that damn camera wouldnt have got lost,stolen, abducted by the CIA or aliens, we would all have the proof we so desire....only if....only if....


TUFF
 
" Im sure there is a World Record buck out there somewhere.....in fact I think Cass saw it and took some pictures of a few years ago. Now only if that damn camera wouldnt have got lost,stolen, abducted by the CIA or aliens, we would all have the proof we so desire....only if....only if....


TUFF "

Actually he has the pics but they are locked in his toolbox and he lost the key :)



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if god answers payers he is out there and i'll get him come september.
"please god let me get a 235" typical buck amen"
have faith and you shall recive i hope
 
Hope has nothing to do with faith. The next WR will come from North Dakota.
 
north dakota ?? that'll be the second coming.

JB

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
My hunting partner recently mounted a buck that had a 230+ typical frame. The only problem is he had 30+ inches of NT points. I think the Typical WR will fall but I think the Chip Lake buck will stand supreme. With so many trophy hunters and the precesion of rifles and equipment we use it makes it dang hard to grow world records. I think if we could duplicate the hunting conditions between 1920-1972 we could probably grow a world record or two.

Mike
 
>My hunting partner recently mounted a
>buck that had a 230+
>typical frame. The only problem
>is he had 30+ inches
>of NT points.

So a 260 NT is bad???


 
there is one out there you just have to know the right people to find it or get a tag for it.
 
Yup. Wish I had that kind of problem :)
I haven't heard any mention of Lee's meat buck on this thread. Might have something to do with the current owner of the rack.
 
257tony, I guess 30 inches of NT growth is a good problem to have. This buck is honestly one of the prettiest bucks I have ever layed eyes on.

Mike
 
I think both records will fall at some point. It might take 50 years or more but I don't think they are out of reach.
I think there is at least one potentail world record buck every year. He just needs a chance to grow up, which normally doesn't happen. If the right buck has good forage and isn't killed before he makes it to his prime, the record will fall.
All of us would like to think the next world record will come off of public land in a remote canyon. If I had to guess, I would say it will come off a large ranch. Just look at what food plots have done for the whitetail record books.
 
Didn't Darner come up with a buck a few years ago that was supposed to be larger than the current record typical? I don't remember all the details, but he inherited it or something from someone in Colorado...
 
I believe that there are many bucks that have never seen a human, due to the remoteness and ruggedness of the terrain. They are just inaccessable. A buck could just live out his life in one small draw that no one has ever seen. Oh yes the world record is out there!
 
it will be broken and it will be broken when no one is expecting it to happen
 
Man, 53 replies and I'm the only one who thinks 226" net typical will not be broken......I feel so alone. :)

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
I Buy alot of antler here in Colorado and I bought a 94 2/8" single, a very impressive deer that is still alive and well, it might be broken very very soon!!!
 
Guy's,

I think you are all being to conservative about the actual question, "is at least one world record buck roaming the hills"

Statistically speaking, there just about has to be one living somewhere in North America every year. There are multiple deer killed every season that have a gross typical score that is over the net WR. If several are killed, there are a bunch more out there on the hoof. Of the living, there is one that is on the far right side of the bell curve and he is a walking world record.

There are two main reasons.
One, there is a lot of country that does not get pounded.
Two, this is a 6 to 8 year old animal, that is pretty smart to have lived this long, and there is a good chance he goes nocturnal during that time of year.

Just my opinion.
 
Lions eat more WR bucks, then killed by hunters. How many great bucks are taken after the rut because a older buck moves back into the cliff country to be alone, That lion has only to beat one set of eyes, on a buck that is wore down and trying to just get some fat back on his bones for the winter, unlike a herd of does or smaller bucks that bunch up after the rut.
 
>Man, 53 replies and I'm the
>only one who thinks 226"
>net typical will not be
>broken......I feel so alone.
>:)
>
>BOHNTR )))---------->

I think everybody thinks it will be broken because we all go to bed at night dreaming it is us who brings down the great beast.
 
we all know sooner or later te world record is going to be broken and when it is everyone will be shocked because they wernt expecting it to happen this
 
A WR deer living somewhere in North America is increadible more likely than it actually being killed legally and taking over the top spot in B&C.

There are two famous bucks I am aware of that have been killed, but aren't the world records due to issues that keep them out.

One is a typical buck that Darners friend killed and the other is a NT from New Mexico.
 
ok so the wr is 226 just think where that buck was killed and ask yourself if another like that buck can come out of the same area and same unit
 

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