Warm Fire

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The 15,512-acre wildfire burning in the Kaibab National Forest has stranded some tourists on the North Rim of the Grand Canyon.

Arizona 89A is closed about 10 miles east of Jacob Lake because of the fire, and officials closed Highway 67, the North Rim Parkway to Grand Canyon National Park, on Saturday morning.

Spoke with a friend who knows the owner of the Jacob Lake lodge he said this fire is destroying the east side and the forest service isn't doing much.
 
I know that the FS isn't doing much very about it the reason being is because all that area up there relies on fire to keep the ecosystem healthy. I think that is the main reason why they are just letting burn for a while. It is very common for them to do this. I think 2 or 3 years ago they let the Jacket Fire, which burned in the PJ thickets East of Flagstaff burn in order to get rid of the bug killed trees and try to bring back some of the Antelope habitat. Lets just hope this one doesn't get any bigger.

This is from this mornings news Paper. It is now 17,600 acres and they have half it in a protective line. There are nearly 400 Firefighters battling the blaze.
 
Here is some pics of the fire sunday night.
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Thanks Sancarlos

From Kanab you could see smoke billowing but no flames. From Page Arizona you could see flames. Over night the fire grew by over 10000 acres and now is over 30000 acres. Here is a map of what has burned.
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THAT IS A LOT OF LAND!!! I think that now that the Brins Fire is completely under control they will start to send some of the resources from there up to the Warm Fire. But again, WOW!! I didn't know that it had grown by 10,000 acres over the night. I think that storm system that the state had over the weekend had something to do with it growing so fast.

Thanks for showing the map mulycrzy.
 
The fire is only 3 miles from Jacobs Lake I have a friend who spoke to one of the workers at the lodge he said it is burning more than underbrush. The fire has burned some on 12a west but alot of 12a east as well. On the Forest Service website it is listed as a wildlands fire. This may be bad news for archery hunters like myself.
 
Great pics! I was just up in Colorado in the Missionary Ridge area. Big fire there four years ago. Wow. What a comeback. The habitat looked great.
 
This is best thing that could have happened to the Kaibab. Let it burn, next year the deer will be all over in this area. It is not causing any structural damage, let it burn. I hope it will get down into the PJ country soon. It will burn out next week when the rains start.
 
Here is more than you probably want to know, but if you are interested here are some links to find out more. The brief disctiption below gives you the location of the fire. This came off of the websites at the bottom of the post.


Warm, 3 miles south of Jacob Lake, AZ is burning in ponderosa pine and hardwood litter. A Type 2 Incident Management Team is assigned. The North Kaibab Ranger District and Highway 67 from Jacob Lake to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon are closed to the public. Highway 89A remains open. Grand Canyon National Park has requested their visitors to exit the North Rim via Forest Road 22. The Jacob Lake development area, administrative sites, a historical Ranger Station, and private and public campgrounds remain threatened. Higher relative humidity and lower temperatures moderated fire behavior. Burn out operations continue.

NORTH RIM OF GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARK CURRENTLY CLOSED AS A RESULT OF WARM FIRE...full news release
Warm Fire Update - June 26, 2006
Location: North Kaibab Ranger District of the Kaibab National Forest; The Warm Fire is about 2 miles south and east of Jacob Lake.
Cause: Lightning; The Warm Fire was being managed as a wildland fire use fire. All wildland fire use fires must be started by a natural ignition source (lightning). The fire is no longer being managed as a wildland fire use fire.
Size: 25,000+ acres; new estimates will be available after the fire is flown and mapped this morning
% Contained: 0%
Predicted Weather: Temperatures are expected to be in the mid-80s with relative humidity levels in the teens. Winds are expected to be from the northeast at 6 mph. Gusty winds could accompany thunderstorm activity in the area.
Structures: No structures have been lost.
Closures: Highway 67 is closed until further notice. The closure will be evaluated on a daily basis. Highway 89A from Kanab, Utah, to Bitter Springs, Ariz., is currently open. However, this could change due to increased fire activity or smoke on the road. Future closures may include the use of pilot cars.
To protect public health and safety, portions of the North Kaibab Ranger District in close proximity to the Warm Fire are closed.

Another link if you want to know more from the Forest Service:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/kai/news/releases/2006/print/Warm_062606am.pdf

From the National Park Service:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/kai/NorthRimClosure062606.pdf
 
Just think of the millions of dollars worth of timber gone up in smoke. Nothing wrong with a good fire to restore wildlife habitat, but the same thing could have been accomplished by selective logging. Now, instead of a lumber company making a profit, paying employees, paying taxes, buying equipment, poring money into the local economy; well just spend millions in tax payers? monies trying to control out of control, controlled burns. Or in the case of Cedar Mountain, about 50 miles north of the Kaibab, well watch bugs eat up and decimate an entire forest. Have you priced a 2x4 lately? Just keep chopping up Canada woods. We Americans prefer to feed bugs and burn our renewable resources. Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance and others ought to have their butts in a sling. IMO! Responsible environmentalism isn't a bad thing. However, some of these groups have in my opinion a hidden agenda. I have written SUWA in an attempt to get answers, but guess what? No response! Ok...I feel better now!
 
conch,
That was a quality rant and your points are well taken. It's too bad the environmentalist whackos have interjected their radical agenda into logging & forest management, particularly in this region, as they've impacted the economy in a negative way for the communities in the area. As housing construction costs continue to soar, it's a damn shame to watch all that quality lumber go up in smoke!
 
LVTHNT,

We dont want this fire in the PJ's. It takes WAY to long for that habitat to grow back. Cliffrose and other valuable winter forage takes a very long time to come back.


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Good and bad.

Just think how good the shed hunting could be though if they don't all go up in smoke!
 
Prism,
We had a huge fire a few years back in the valley I live. Sheds were chared to a crisp. There was a lot of wildlife causalities as well. But 3 years later, WOW!!!!The deer are back in full-force and growing bigger and better racks. Fire is an amazing force of nature. Wish we let more go up here. You think you guys got beetle problems? You should see it up here. The logging can't keep up. There won't be a live mature pine tree in this province in another 5 years.

http://sdana.photosite.com/DanasHuntingPics/
 
Just thought you guys would want a update has of last night at eight, this is the position of the fire.

OVER 58,000 acres and only 20% contained


Incident: Warm Wildland Fire
Released: 2006-06-27 20:01:00

Warm Fire Update

Date: June 27, 2006, 8 p.m.

Warm Fire Contact Phone Numbers: 928-643-6804, 928-640-6103, 928-640-6104, 1-800-958-5171

Websites: www.nazteam.com, www.inciweb.org, www.fs.fed.us/r3/kai

Information Center Hours: 6 a.m. to 10 p.m.

Fire Name: Warm Fire

Time/Date Started: June 8, 2006, 3 p.m.

Location: North Kaibab Ranger District of the Kaibab National Forest; The Warm Fire is about 2 miles south and east of Jacob Lake. It is about 14 miles north of the Grand Canyon National Park boundary.

Cause: Lightning; The Warm Fire was being managed as a wildland fire use fire. All wildland fire use fires must be started by a natural ignition source (lightning). As of Sunday, June 25, the fire is no longer being managed as a wildland fire use fire and is being actively suppressed.

Fuels: Ponderosa pine, mixed conifer, pinyon/juniper woodlands

Size: 58,470 acres

% Contained: 20%

Resources Committed: 5 Type 1 (hotshot) crews, 9 Type 2 hand crews, 6 helicopters (2 heavy, 3 medium, 1 light), 35 engines, 10 dozers, 15 water tenders. Total personnel = 655.

Estimated Cost to Date: $3.7 million

Predicted Weather: Moisture will continue to be drawn across the fire area this week, but precipitation amounts will be light. Relative humidity levels are expected to continue increasing over the next couple of days. Temperatures should remain cooler, with light winds from the east.

Structures: No structures have been lost.

Closures: The North Kaibab Ranger District is closed to public access and will remain closed until further notice due to the Warm Fire and firefighting activity. All Forest Service roads, trails and lands on the district are closed. Arizona State Highway 67 remains closed from Jacob Lake, Ariz., to the North Rim of Grand Canyon National Park. The closure will be evaluated on a daily basis. U.S. Highway 89A from Kanab, Utah, to Bitter Springs, Ariz., remains open; however, fire or firefighting activity may necessitate future delays or closures.

Jacob Lake Inn, Jacob Lake Campground and Kaibab Camper Village at Jacob Lake remain open. For more information about the North Kaibab Ranger District closure, contact the district office at (928) 643-7395 or visit the Kaibab National Forest web site at www.fs.fed.us/r3/kai.

The National Park Service closed the North Rim of Grand Canyon National Park, and it will remain closed until further notice. For information on the status of North Rim permits, please call the Backcountry Information Center at (928) 638-7875. Visitors with hotel reservations at the Grand Canyon Lodge on the North Rim can contact Xanterra at 1-(888) 297-2757 regarding the status of North Rim hotel reservations.

Summary: Today, isolated rain showers, cloud cover, and cooler temperatures all helped to slow the spread of the fire. Crews successfully conducted burnout operations eastward from Forest Service (FS) road 462 and constructed dozer line along the southeast flank of the fire to tie back in with FS 462. Two Modular Airborne Fire Fighting Systems (MAFFS) were also used today and effectively limited spread of the fire on the southeast side; MAFFS are military C-130 airborne fire fighting units that eject foam retardant.

Structure protection is being provided at Jacob Lake. Structure protection assessments are also being completed for Big Springs, Kaibab Lodge, North Rim Country Store, Mangum Camp, Pleasant Valley Cabin, Big Springs Lookout Cabin, and Dry Park Lookout Cabin.

All visitors at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon National Park were escorted out of the area this morning by pilot car on Highway 67 to Jacob Lake. The escorted egress was completed by early afternoon with help from the National Park Service, Coconino County Sheriff?s Office, Department of Public Safety, and Arizona Department of Transportation. Remaining employees and residents will be escorted out of the park tomorrow morning beginning as early as 7 a.m. as conditions allow.

Tonight, firefighters will continue securing the fire perimeter and looking for hotspots.
 
Bucksnort

The Bridger Fire that happened on the West Side Kaibab about 7-8 years ago was the best thing that has ever happened to the Kaibab PJ country. That fire was about four-five times the size of the Warm fire. The oaks have come back strong and the cliff rose is coming along just great. The PJ country is the least productive habitat there is for winter forage. I say let it burn. Every burn that I have seen has been the best improvement for wildlife habitat that has occurred.

The rains just started here yesterday with a strong forecast for monsoons for the rest of the month so the fire will be over in just a few days anyway. It has burned all it will burn, as it probably only has a few day left before the rains put it out. As you know the fire will not burn everything up, as it moves along. It will most likely burn the heavy timber that needs to be burned the most.
 

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